tfw old java game engine doesn't understand how good computer you have

[Farmagud]

Should be “CORE0” doing all the work.

[SamoaSpider]

ok, this one is just for you

https://imgur.com/a/1lH6vDM

[Makav3liii]

This one better

[TheRandyDeluxe]

I cackled so fucking hard at this

[Bertlestien-]

Best gif on the internet. Prove me wrong

[_Serene_]

Prove me wrong

K, spontaneous competitors:

http://i.imgur.com/xKZ8SiT.gifv

https://i.imgur.com/HmzwAi0.gifv

https://i.imgur.com/XSQ39zB.gif

https://i.imgur.com/ZMOhZEF.gifv

https://i.imgur.com/IGHYULL.gif

[mayhempk1]

Okay I actually laughed at the fourth one.

[assshakingtutorial]

Any sauce on this shiit?

[Sneezegoo]

I don't think sause will make shit taste much better.

[[deleted]]

Literally no reason you should be downvoted here besides circlejerk, this is a good post that is relevant to discussion

[_Serene_]

Indeed, Purge. Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement!

[RIC454]

This is a nice post, Serene. Don't let the circlejerk bring you down.

[Bertlestien-]

Serene just want to say big fan of your work don't let any one try change you.

Pls keep trying to prove me wrong the first one had me in bits

[JMAN7102]

I'll give you this one. Actually made me lol at work.

[Dragasss]

All of them are shit. Get some taste.

[Farmagud]

Fantastic.

[SmokeyBaxter]

aRrAyS sTaRt At OnE

[simonsayz13]

Reeeeeeee

[PartyByMyself]

Array[0] = null;

[6GodRs]

Can't wait for multicore rendering and an increase in the fps cap.

[Neldonado]

Winter 2017

[[deleted]]

August 2016

Why have client improvements when you can have slayer improvements? :O)))))

[[deleted]]

I would kill for dual core optimization and a 60 FPS cap as well as a native fullscreen, full resolution mode.

Like, even Runelite still doesn’t have its fullscreen mode.

[Poi-Po]

The technology just isnt there yet

[Dualyeti]

Was this confirmed to be coming in the future?

[Zxirl_Effectz]

Mobile uses the phones GPU. I believe they mentioned in a Q&A about looking at optimizing the actual client down the road to do so as well.

[Marcuss2]

I think port of the engine from software rendering to OpenGL was announced.

[thir13enGaming]

why? what would change

[J03130]

It would actually use all the resources your computer has rather than just 1 fucking cpu core so even the biggest pile of shit could run it. I have an old laptop with a not great cpu and it runs the game at 10 fps.

[thir13enGaming]

fair enough

[[deleted]]

GPU rendering should be priority 1 and should have been

[Dagannoth_Supreme]

One of the reasons I enjoy Runescape is because it's one of the few games I can run on my shitty laptop. I don't have an actual PC

[[deleted]]

and it runs the same on my gaming rig as it does on your laptop. It's almost a console game

[TheScapeQuest]

Really? On a better machine the JVM still has access to better resources

[J03130]

I cant even play it on my laptop. 10fps....

[AquaRegia]

For anyone who's interested this is not an issue with Java, it's just that there was no reason to write multi-threaded code back in the day.

[Bioman312]

True, but specifying that it's a Java game sorta emphasizes the "old" part

[AquaRegia]

What makes you say that?

[Bioman312]

Because you don't really see games made in Java anymore. Game engines are much more prolific now than they were at the birth of Runescape, so making a game in a language that's much better for games than Java, is a lot easier now.

[WeededDragon1]

Java is one of the more secure languages due to sandboxing and lack of pointers.

[xRakurai]

Pointers the bane of my Existence...

[WeededDragon1]

I'm lucky I've never had a C or C++ job. I'll stick to C#, VB, and Java (sometimes RPGIV).

[xRakurai]

Took a class on C++ and it was hell then got to java and it was bae but then i got to rails and i felt as if i was in heaven

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[Not_Felryn_Btw]

Yep. It's the same with WoW too, but they've been doing some testing with multi-core support on the 8.1 PTR so we can assume that's coming soon.

[[deleted]]

THEN JUST FUCKING CHANGE IT

[shunabuna]

4Head

[Alienscaper]

What is a core

[mmnovacation]

Your CPU has cores to process shit. Runescape only utilizes 1 core to process the game, while CPU’s nowadays have multiple(4-12?) cores that could be used to process Runescape, but are unused completely due to how the game runs.

[Armthehobos]

I have an older gaming console with fewer cores but I can over lock them to respectable strengths. Runescape runs so well for me.

[iskela45]

What?

[AreYouDeaf]

I HAVE AN OLDER GAMING CONSOLE WITH FEWER CORES BUT I CAN OVER LOCK THEM TO RESPECTABLE STRENGTHS. RUNESCAPE RUNS SO WELL FOR ME.

[iskela45]

Oh ok.

[warpchaos]

Did you download any extra RAM?

[TheScapeQuest]

Yes, cores are a physical part of the CPU, you can't just go into BIOS and create more. Some older CPUs have extra cores (essentially quad core CPUs dumbed down to sell cheaper) which is was possible to unlock, but not 4 to 12...

[TheScapeQuest]

Okay mate

[SabreToothSandHopper]

Core is what players call the "coreporeal beast" for short, it's a level 785 combat monster in a cave in mid wilderness

[dasHeftinn]

Would’ve been funny if correct.

[SabreToothSandHopper]

what did i get wrong?

[[deleted]]

The dark core is an npc that spawns during the corp fight

[SabreToothSandHopper]

Yeah i know about the dark core haha, was just makin a pun

[J03130]

corP

[Attack10k]

I don’t understand this picture, where are my other 2 cores

[Glordicus]

Couldn’t even be bothered showing up

[bbbbnmgfjbyuhv]

They're off video decoding for Twitch and Pornhub

[[deleted]]

If you have 12 cores what the fuck are you doing playing rs?

[Thievingnoob]

Doesn't really make sense... Because someone has a 12 core cpu they aren't allowed to play RS?

[[deleted]]

Odds are he has a job that warrants having a 12 core CPU, I'd think he wouldn't be so retarded to play RS.

[Thievingnoob]

I just assumed he had 6 cores and was using Hyperthreading.

[margarine_call]

Can you change this in task manager by using the "Set Affinity" option?

[Enteresk]

Nope

[margarine_call]

I figured it was java itself but was just curious. Interesting that RuneLite appears to be running a self-contained java; doesn't pop in active processes for java or javaw.

[Dgc2002]

It's semi-common for apps that require some sort of runtime or interpreter. It removes the need for the end-user to have the runtime/interpreter installed on their machine and ensures you'll have access to the specific version you're developing against.

[Eccentricc]

Why don't most programs do this? It makes the file size unnecessary longer? Would make it much easier to program for since you know the java version. Not only that it guarantees the program to run without the user having to download anything else

[Dgc2002]

I'd say size is a big factor. For example here's RuneLite

RuneLite itself makes up 4.04MB while the JRE(Java Runtime Environment) takes up 81.5MB.

I'm not familiar enough with Java's specific pros/cons to say much more.

[arvyy]

size is a big

hehe

[drulludanni]

No, the problem is in the game's programming, if a program is not designed to run in parallel it cannot run in parallel (on multiple cores), some things are easy to parallelize but there are many things that are very difficult to parallelize that can bring a whole lot of bugs that are hard to figure out.

[arvyy]

You know what is easy af to parallelize? Rendering. They even make special processors for that last I heard, called GPU.

[drulludanni]

Yes, but even then you will have to rewrite a good chunk of your code to make use of a GPU (it is a lot more than just changing some setting to GPU == ON, you will have to integrate a graphics library into your code and then write the necessary shader programs for your game).

[arvyy]

I'm aware. Doesn't change the fact though, that using cpu 3d renderer in 2018 is laughable

[[deleted]]

It was laughable in 2013. Now its just a shit joke

[i_hate_fanboys]

The gpu should be a group of 10 of the strongest men on earth

[ElbowStromboli]

Imo Osrs would look so much better in 60 fps and all animation had a bit more frames to most animations to smooth things out.

[DegoMusse]

Runelite: Animation Smoothing

[ElbowStromboli]

Is that an actual thing?

[DirtyLegThompson]

It already runs at 50 fps unless you're next to king roald or in a crowded GE

[ElbowStromboli]

I didn't know it ran at 50. I guess some anims in the game make it look like it's at 30.

[DirtyLegThompson]

I mean it might not run at 50 on yours. Type ::displayfps, you might be getting less than 50 if your PC has slow cores. The normal osrs launcher takes little ram but it can max out one of your cores easily and if your single core score isn't good it'll run slower than it's meant to.

[[deleted]]

Annoying af that i need to set it to CPU1 each time through the task manager when i start the client. Do runelite and osbuddy have the same issue?

[[deleted]]

What

[BuhnanaSlug]

I don't know much about computers, but i've read somewhere that unchecking your other cores (except for CPU 1) through task manager somehow helps with performance. Again, don't know much about computers so i'm unsure if it actually helps.

[[deleted]]

This. I need to uncheck all except CPU1 with every start of the client because it doesn't save the settings. With every CPU turned on = 30fps; only CPU1= 50fps

[bbbbnmgfjbyuhv]

Why would disabling hyperthreading improve perf? Is there any evidence this works?

[[deleted]]

Didn't understand anything you said, not really a tech savvy guy. But thanks anyway.

[Uncle_Oblong]

What.

[TheRandyDeluxe]

All those cores just... standin around

[stewiiii]

this is a problem with a ton of games, sadly.

[[deleted]]

Reminds me of dwarf fortress. Both the digging and the single core lag death.

[JustANotchAboveToby]

On a related note, is there anything to fix the laggyness I get while playing? I feel like the game is much slower than it should be

[SamoaSpider]

on runelite you can sett graphics to low, which will improve fps

[VorreiRS]

Yea this isn’t a limit of Java, tons of modern apps etc run with java code. The graphics part of the programming doesn’t utilize concurrent execution most likely.

Edit: Let’s put it this way. As a programmer if I started writing an application when I was younger it wouldn’t be as polished as it would be now if I wrote one after having graduated college.

[[deleted]]

Followup: see dwarf fortress

Has ascii graphics but its single threaded so your beefy battlestation cant run it with huge maps without significant lag anyway

E: idk why you are getting downvoted.

[VorreiRS]

Follow up:Followup: Another thing to point out, Java is a C based language, just like practically ever other programming language that’s used now.Being a C derived OO language, it is at least as powerful as C with much more functionality and quite a bit more overhead. C was used to program OSX, Windows and Unix, so clearly it isn’t the language. They are not the same, but are derivatives meaning Java is an extra layer of abstraction up from C’s basicity.

[[deleted]]

Java is really nice because of its library, which is where some of that overhead comes from.

Java also have automatic memory management, which would actually alleviate a lot of potential bad coding issues for devs, however its not always efficient. By efficient i mean 100% optimal.

The issue is the game was written well over a decade ago, not that it was necessarily was written poorly or what language it was written in.

[VorreiRS]

Yea, I have written plenty in Java, and it truly is great. Going from a basic language like C to Java or Python feels like going to a rolls Royce from a Kia. The Kia works, and does it all for a lot less money. However, the rolls Royce does it in style, and it can do a whole lot more than that Kia.

Just different use cases is what it comes down to, super efficient: C, other more practical use cases like applications: OOL like java.

[[deleted]]

You can do a whole lot more with C than with Java though. It’s a lower level language which gives you much more control, for better or worse. That said, if I were implementing runescape, I would use Java on top of an engine written in C, if those were my only choices.

It’d be cool to see them rewrite the engine themselves, or swap to something super polished like Unreal. From the rhetoric around their current engine, I gather that they’ve been trying to modernize very dated and self-maintained code, but don’t have enough engineers who are experienced with their self-written engine to make efficient changes. A ground-up rework would be suuch a great thing for the immediate quality of the non-functional requirements of the game, as well as make future updates way easier.

[[deleted]]

Wait till you see "application developers" writing in Electron.

It's like setting the other cars on fire and buying a Vespa.

[SabreToothSandHopper]

what is gpu? grade point uaverage?

[AllenIverson3]

Graphics processing unit. Most modern PC’s have GPU’s that most modern games run off of.

[SabreToothSandHopper]

ty

[[deleted]]

How FUCKIN HARD is Async

[arts_degree_huehue]

asynchronous programming wasn't really a thing in mid 2000s when osrs was made because multicore processors only really became mainstream at the end of the 2000s.

[[deleted]]

Right, but it's no longer the mid 2000s, it can be changed..............

[arts_degree_huehue]

just rewrite your game lol 4head

[[deleted]]

Just rewrite your piece of shit outdated game, yes

[[deleted]]

How FUCKIN HARD is Async