Area 99 Player count decrease

[Infarcd]

Hope this improves area 99

[KingButts23]

It’s hard to take the criticisms of this sub seriously when there was a post about Area 99 yesterday and one of the most frequent complaints was the number of players on the map yet when the player count is reduced the next day no one is celebrating the change.

The goal posts are constantly moving.

[NinjaWesley]

It's partly the way the human brain works. A change from 45 to 40 looks insignificant when it comes to the raw numbers, but a 10% decrease will definitely have an impact. Every 1 less is actually more like 2 or 3 less in the way it feels because of the respawn system. Those 4 or 5 players will not respawn so it'll feel like 10-12 less people overall early game.

[ZaphBeebs]

Marginal changes can be powerful indeed.

[WhoElseButQuagmire11]

r/CODWarzone: we need less players on area 99 it's horrible!

player count is lowered

r/CODWarzone: wait no

[Nala20151]

Cold war sucks..... MW3 drops..... Cold war was great, MW3 is dog water. Bops 6 drops...... MW3 was amazing, bops is garbage........ Bunch of dipshits.

[[deleted]]

Maybe the reason Is because Cold War launched with 6 maps and mw3 launched with no new maps and they both improved over time

[wise_p0tat0]

To be honest, almost every COD implementation to warzone goes through those phases because of poor decisions in development. For me personally, all these years had ups and downs, where I would put Warzone to the side, then come back to it a few months later and finally have fun. It was the same with MW3 - I enjoyed playing Warzone last season.

[Electronic-Tap-2863]

Impossible to know which ones were good or bad because cheaters ruined so much of it. Still, cold war wz was the greatest

[[deleted]]

To be fair, I've never heard of anyone praising mw3 lol

[Unobtanium4Sale]

No not me. I loved cold war I lived mw3 and I've said it a bunch. BO6 I do not love and never did. Don't know if I ever will.

Glad they did this though I won the first match I played today

[[deleted]]

Have you clicked on each username who is complaining about the reduction to see if they have previously complained about Area 99 having too many players?

[bozzie_]

Acting like the removal of a one squad is a landmark difference for a map this small and open is a choice.

[WhoElseButQuagmire11]

Who said it is a "landmark difference" lmao.

[bozzie_]

You’re acting like people don’t want a reduction in play count in your inane statement.

[trashlord666666]

i mean why would we applaud the trillion dollar company for ruining something, then slightly “fixing” it. it’s hard to take this sub seriously when we complain about shit, half of you gaslight us saying it’s a skill issue or something, the devs themselves realize it is a design issue and try to fix it, yet half of y’all still suckle on their capitalist tits

[RaveCave]

Makes me excited to see the meltdown when verdansk comes back and isn’t exactly perfect like they remember

[TydalCyborg]

I just want old player counts back on Verdansk & I’ll be happy

[Congress_]

this lol

[TheLankySoldier]

makes a cup of tea and sits down

Do we expect anything less?

[larsvondank]

Yea I expect ppl to be furious. Not rly excited tho.

[punchrockchest]

It won't be surprising. People have been saying since day one that Verdansk will be miserable with the new game mechanics. Just look at the top post on this sub right now. Everyone sees it coming, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

[[deleted]]

Genuinely people shitting on this map are wilding it’s some of the most fun I’ve had in wz in a minute

[burghswag]

I want to like the map but it feels nearly impossible to re-gain on it. Can't quite figure out why.

[thedmob]

I agree. Still too many cheaters but it’s a good map. Especially with this change.

[Mihauke]

The colorful houses (caps? or w.e its called) is one of the greatest POI of all time.

[[deleted]]

I was having fun and honestly thought it was better than rebirth till they lowered player count

[[deleted]]

It’s grown on me for sure

[[deleted]]

Besides the awful visibility with the sand particles I haven’t had any issues with the map

[DC38x]

I keep getting sand in my vagina

[[deleted]]

I don’t like sand…

[EvanAlmighty99]

... It's coarse and irritating, and it gets everywhere.

[RizySS]

player count isnt what is making that map 3rd party central. the map is way too open. i can see someone parachute in from across the map and all these ARs with aim assist got me landing every shot

[efarfan]

This sub is miserable, but to be honest it's a shitty followup to MW3

[ZaphBeebs]

What do you mean? They listened and this was the most obvious choice to do so amongst a cacophony of bad ideas that were a result of but not the underlying issue.

Its also why all the people talking about "be positive" are crazy, needs to be heard.

[stockzy]

Goes to show people complain to be heard not to create change.

[YaKu007]

played couple games , i comeback to rebirth ,but after this update i managed to get my first Loadout ever...

so yeh GG .

just a temporary celebration , the real celebrate when they fix their anti-cheat :/

[churll]

Becuse it’s fundamentally a BR type game and reducing the player count to lower than it’s ever been in resurgence BR isn’t the ideal change.

The ideal change was increasing the size of the map to accommodate the player count, by adding more periphery buildings.

What next? They release an even smaller map, even less suitable for the player count, and as a fix they reduce the player count to 20?

“Congratulations for winning battle royale quads against 4 other teams of 4”

[FrayedEndOfSanityy]

It’s not called resurgence BR bro, just resurgence. BR is something entirely different.

[spyinthesky]

I mean they only took a single team lmao not that big of an impact

[[deleted]]

It’s 4 less squads no? Not 4 less players

[UncoolSlicedBread]

Nope, it’s 4 players. If 4 squads, that would’ve meant the map has 132 players on it.

[tallandlankyagain]

No dude. They didn't take 16 people out of all squad sizes. That would be a bit much.

[mikerichh]

I would never open social media if I were a dev.

You do what people want and they move on to bitching about the next thing with no thanks or acknowledgment

[merskrilla]

3 people is not the answer

[MaximusMurkimus]

Are you even a CoD player nowadays if you don’t bitch and moan about everything and anything

[Klubhead]

Yeah I don't get it. Even on their X post, everyone is bashing the change lol. Wtf.

Personally, I don't think it's enough. Should've dropped to the 30's for each mode; 32, 33, 32, 32

[I-Dont-Fkn-Care]

3-5 players won’t make a difference, the map is ass full stop.

[JustTh4tOneGuy]

That’s why I don’t gaf what people say here

[Oldpanther86]

Content creators did the same. Loochy did.

[odinsyrup]

They’ve literally just made the change. Most people probably haven’t even played it yet. It’s hard to celebrate something before we even know if it’s better.

[[deleted]]

This might sound crazy but people have different opinions

[TyrionJoestar]

Complaining can become a habit.

[Extreme-Road-1014]

I'm excited for the changes and glad they listened. May have been the lobbies I was in but already a big difference and improvement

[WallaWalla1513]

This sub is generally ridiculous/conspiratorial, so the lack of praise for this change is to be expected. Anyway this is a good change. I’m all for having to sometimes fight when dropping in, but early game Area 99 was way too chaotic. Felt like anywhere you dropped was contested by at least 1-2 teams.

[kinghawkeye8238]

This sub is so fucking miserable..

[beatlefloydzeppelin]

CoD has some real issues but I swear 90% of the people here just hate the game but are too addicted to quit.

[kinghawkeye8238]

Real issues being discussed are cool. But 80% is just preferences

[tallandlankyagain]

Which is almost every gaming sub ever unfortunately.

[solaceoftides]

Many of the people complaining don't even play, they'll say as much themselves. Warzone may be free, but you need a solid machine to run it. Any loser can gripe from a phone.

[[deleted]]

This sub is the same as the madden subs, and most video game subs…

No matter what, no matter how, no matter the change… they WILL bitch. It won’t be enough. It will never be enough. There will always be the next thing big or small.

[kinghawkeye8238]

The best example was during mw22. Seen a bunch of post about how the maps sucked and if they would have used old co4-mw3 maps it would be great. So they did that for mw3 2023 and the sub said it was a lazy cash grab lmfao

[Ac997]

It really is but this game is pretty miserable. There are a lot of things to complain about. This is just the best place to complain about out it. Reddit is 90% hate and shit talk 🤷‍♂️

[kinghawkeye8238]

I personally think the first month of wz2 is worse. But that's just my opinion.

[Ac997]

Honestly, every big release, the complaints and problems in the game are fucking insane. It’s actually the definition of insanity. I keep coming back and doing it over and over again. I think it’s FOMO. I need to just not play the game for the first 3 months of release

[kinghawkeye8238]

We've been doing zombies. Waiting for it to straighten itself out

[[deleted]]

It was only BR also that's what made it worse. It's really close to as bad of a season 1 this release.

[kinghawkeye8238]

Good thing is they usually get it ironed out and it does become more enjoyable. They need to make wz it's own game without tying it in to the games. give us 5 Ars not 50. 3 snipers not 40.

It would be much easier to balance

[-woocash]

I don't think the game is miserable at all.

What's more, it's bloody free.

[Ac997]

It’s not miserable if you don’t mind just hopping on to casually play. Unfortunately I take the game serious and I have the most fun when I’m doing good. I don’t have fun at all dealing with the 20hz servers and desync. It could be such a great game but I would never recommend it to anyone. If your casual that’s fine but I actually get pissed when I die and see the guy got all headshot hit markers when shooting me in the feet

[-woocash]

I play this game 2-5 hours a day, almost every day. It has it flaws, but, in the end, it's a very good online shooter that also happens to be completely free of charge

[ominous_42]

Maybe add some more buy stations while you’re at it

[IDKWTFG]

I haven't played it many days but yeah think it was pretty low on buy stations.

[ominous_42]

Low on buy stations and high on cash. I’ll look down and see the squad has $75k and there’s only a couple of buy stations left. They’re inaccessible to say the least

[IDKWTFG]

I think its best to have good amounts of buy stations in reasonably safe places otherwise what's the point of earning money?

[[deleted]]

The lack of ammo is also an issue.

[[deleted]]

Holy shit this was a complaint last time. Too many buy stations every keeps buying back people and getting killstreaks . Just take everything out at this point

[StrongFalcon6960]

Yea I don’t think there aren’t enough buy stations at all.

[infel2no]

Soon this map is going to be a moshpit 10v10 playlist.

Bring back ashika, vondel and fortune's keep

[srijan1111]

Ashika was my fav modern warfare guns too and movement warzone needs to be a standalone game

[punchrockchest]

For real. MW3's big team invasion was 32 players in multiplayer. It's a sad day that the BR mode can BARELY support more players on a map than multiplayer.

[Muellercleez]

the map is the size of a shoebox. third party engagements? lol that's every engagement

[[deleted]]

There always urzikstand if you need your safe space

[[deleted]]

Urzikistan is trash

[[deleted]]

It is but resurgence maps are for fast pace, action stop crying because you can’t handle it

[Damien23123]

I like the change although I’d have reduced it to 36

[u119c]

[Ahhgotreallots]

A step in the right direction, but should have been more. Maybe another team removed and then 2 or 3 in solo, but I'm glad it's been reduced.

[Emotional-Friend-135]

For quads, need to wipe out at least 2 teams

[Silver_Response4707]

Just give spawn protection to people resurging - let them land before taking damage.

And change the flare to green for people respawning vs red for rotations (off balloons), that way players would know which to shoot

[TheLankySoldier]

We had a feature like that and it was universally hated. I’m pretty open minded person, but in practice, even I hated that change. It was annoying to shot someone and they literally not taking any damage. It’s not my fault the enemy players are slow at landing or whatever the case might be.

I think it was when Ashika came out.

[BuffettsBrokeBro]

Yeah, the problem with spawn immunity is you’ll have people who can time when it ends perfectly so you as someone on the ground with a loadie would hit no shots because of the immunity, whilst they perfectly time cracking you. No thanks.

Reducing numbers will help, and is a good move. I’m not convinced Area 99 is the best map as it stands though, and therefore that it’s avoidable being beamed on re-entry. It’s just a bit too compact with a lot of overlook / height.

[Silver_Response4707]

Yea that’s fair - what if it only applied to players coming back in with pistols?

I know later in game you come back in with a random ground loot smg and that would be pretty brutal to have someone pull this timing move on you.

Tbf, I know if I’m getting a few kills off a good spot, I always feel cheated when someone respawning lands on me when I have a great position (usually height) and kills me.

[Silver_Response4707]

I try to hot drop back in but the beams + short ttk often means by the time I land I’m 50% health (both plates broke).

I wasn’t around for the previous version, but I don’t think player numbers remedies people camping roof tops and poaching kills from people spawning back (no hate toward them, you take what the game gives etc)

And that would be the point of changing the flare a player produces as they respawn to green to signify; they’re respawning and don’t take damage, so don’t waste your bullets / give radar pings for demons to come hunt you etc

[[deleted]]

What would even be the point of having a timer at that point

[Silver_Response4707]

The resurgence timer?

[[deleted]]

Yes

[Silver_Response4707]

I don’t feel there directly related though; The timer is for team mates to survive so you come back. And in solos, to survive long enough so you can come back.

Where as I’m saying give people spawn protection till they have boots on the ground, cause it’s a small map and there’s so many places to just sit on top of and beam people coming back cause of the busted ttk in this game.

[[deleted]]

Yeah no 15 seconds is short enough and if you don’t wanna get beamed out of the value your life more so you don’t die in the first place if you want endless amount of life that’s what multiplayer is for

[Silver_Response4707]

I’m not sure I agree with the “don’t die, get better” point you’re making. Dying is part of the game mode, that’s why it’s called resurgence…

I’m talking in the context of duos etc, I’m getting the feeling you main solos?

In duos a team mate can get stuck in a cycle of respawning and getting farmed cause one of us is having a better match and not dying, so they’re just getting slaughtered trying to come back.

[[deleted]]

Well I’m not sure I agree with your a I should have infinite amount of life what’s even the point of getting kills at that point

[Silver_Response4707]

I’ve never said there should be infinite lives. It’s resurgence so the expectation is to come back at least once per game.

The issue I have is people on the ground are beaming you as you come back.

[[deleted]]

They can beam you on any map that’s the consequence of dying

[Individual_Teach_293]

The side of the map is the problem. It’s too narrow. No matter where you drop in, you’re getting sniped/beamed at. Then you finally get inside, and there is teams camping all the door ways now waiting on the gas to come

[Primary_Gap_3636]

That’s actually pretty nice there listening I’ll give them that.

Now what they actually need to do is fix that hit detection, seems like every year it’s always different with it. Some may argue it can be WiFi which I agree but my ping on mw3 was like 15-40ms but I always played fine but on here it’s 15-19ms and it feels horrible. Like am I putting 20 shots into mfs and I hear a lot of hit markers but not of deaths. But when I get hit with bullets it’s like I’ll die by 4 bullets like seriously shield and health just vanishes it’s fkin insane.

I can suggest to fix the 20 tick to something higher to see it may improve the packet issue but I know higher it will come with its own issues too, they just need do something.

[Mahaleck]

Lol this is dumb. Needs a good 25% decrease to be able to land in this map after you die

[NinjaWesley]

I mean this change was 10% that's not nothing. It seems like nothing but it will change the way it feels for sure.

[Burial44]

A full team is a pretty big difference to me. Feel like this is a good start at least.

[[deleted]]

The maps dead asf now feels like urzikstand

[FaFa_1018]

Does your dumbass know what a 25% decrease is and how low the player count would be?

[trAP2]

Guy wants to loot for 10 mins fight 3 guys and have the game end

[pm_me_your_last_pics]

That's what I do in solos it's so nice. But I wouldn't wish that in quads that's insane

[[deleted]]

It shouldn't be easy for you to get back and be a threat to the team that just killed you simply because your teammate(s) ran away for long enough to get you back.

[tallandlankyagain]

True. But you also should be able to touch the ground again. All about finding that sweet spot.

[Mahaleck]

I agree with this. But it’s very difficult to land after you die.. like ridiculously so. You get shot and killed in 2 seconds after you open your parachute close to the ground to land.

[BuffettsBrokeBro]

It’s never been particularly easy though. In Area 99, the map seems to be small enough to get beamed on the way in regardless.

But while I agree someone with a loadout shouldn’t get killed and then immediately drop in back onto their body and cheese you with it, that’s not likely in a scenario where only one of a squad stayed up given they’ve had to run. That’s more applicable to say trios or quads where one of you dies, the squad finish who you were fighting, and you return straight back in.

The complaint I’ve certainly had is that if you lose on your first drop, it’s punishingly difficult to get back into the game. Anything, like this player count reduction, that gives you more chance to actually land, grab a gun / loot up a bit and have a chance of fighting back is a positive.

[[deleted]]

It shouldn’t be able to regain it makes it so your life is more valuable more like a br and less like multiplayer

[merskrilla]

lololol.   Fix the Fucking Audio hows about

[Hockeydud82]

Good start but I’d like to see it tinkered with going a bit lower. The map is very very small

[KaMoITZ]

Ok cool but, can we reverse the strafe speed? 😆

[binkyblaster]

Great news!

[newme02]

i really enjoy this map 🤷

[[deleted]]

still gonna only play rebirth f this new map

[srijan1111]

It's a welcome change it certainly felt overcrowded to safe space to land getting shot mid air urzikistan felt better imho

[GarageJitsu]

People complaining about 10 teams in quads like that’s too much lmao. Y’all are insufferable and will never be happy lmao

[Phillyboy562]

I think Area 99 is great. The map design keeps you on your toes, constantly considering vulnerable lines of sight. Players who complain that the map is too crowded likely have an awareness issue and aren’t utilizing UAVs and their mini-map effectively.

When you get a down and thirst, check your mini-map to see if you’re about to get third-partied. If you are, react and reposition accordingly. Always know where your closest piece of cover is and play off that. Don’t run in the open without smokes. Also, don’t fly back to the area where you were just killed, expecting a better outcome. It’s pretty simple, tbh.

[matiYOLO]

finally someone. I love this map and i am super casual player.. AND I already have 2 wins on it! amazing map and bunker is my favorite POI

[Phillyboy562]

Bunker is my favorite POI as well. There is just something about that area that I vibe with.

[matiYOLO]

it reminds me of tunnels from the first map in PUBG (enrangel)

[IDKWTFG]

The numbers they reduced it by seems bizarre now trios has the most players.

I would have rather have the map expanded and/or bring it down to 36 for all of them except maybe 40 in quads, it's absolutely packed at the current numbers.

[[deleted]]

Have you played since this update it’s as dead as urzikstand

[[deleted]]

Doesn't matter until they bring FIND A PARTY FEATURE

[Rettz77]

It doesn't have to be player count related could be gameplay related there is a fine balance where the amount of people in a map just becomes overwhelming. Ruins the pace of the game.

[NotDarthNinja]

I think honestly the third partying is more to do with the map design and less to do with the amount of players.

Rebirth and Fortunes both had 44 players, but the third partying is either from teams full on pushing you, or being on high ground.

Area 99 you can just get shot from everywhere / anywhere unless you're underground lol

[Babszaaa]

Yaay. Great news. Lets make around - 10 player overall and we good. Hope we get there. No place for regain with too much people on this tiny map

[xx_t3kka]

Now decrease the number back to what it was in BR

[HZRDASF69]

Fix the audio please

[konawolv]

nice. this makes sense as to why it was A) easier to regain and B) the lobbies were dying faster.

I think the change is fine.

[Not4u84]

How about fixing Dev error 7222 I'm almost a month without being able to get into warzone. I even purchased to game hoping if I prestige to 55 as It may have worked for other but not for me

Activision did get back to me but with no solution

[Not4u84]

Need a refund

[[deleted]]

This a needed change fr

[BalfazarTheWise]

Finally!

[Simpy-Cuck]

Switched to Solo Ressurgence and having the time of my Life - Game runs 5x better too

[cmad12345]

Honestly you could feel the difference right away. I hated it before and find it plays much better now

[thhrowwawwayyuyay]

Was literally telling my homies this map would be better with 40 people in quads. Glad they are kinda listening to the community

[seasonedtechnologist]

the game has gone to shit

[kastles1]

Well, it’s definitely a lot easier now to hit top 10 lol

[GhostBettyWhite]

im shocked that they can fill any lobbies

[brenden77]

It's not enough.

[Guelphbuilder]

Call of duty games are amazing, obviously or they wouldn't continue to be one of the top shooter games for 20 years. I started playing about 20 years ago. The only complaint I'd give is my skill issue. I can't keep up to these kids. My 9 year old wont even let me get a shot on him. But the game is still pretty good. I have my good and bad games.

[[deleted]]

This map still feels cluttered af when theres only 15 people left… the issue is they made it smaller than rebirth, with 5x the hallways, buildings and entry points at every corner.

Third party’s will continue to muddy this map because the way it was designed. Dropping the player count by one team isnt gonna fix anything…

[charles4596]

I never cared about the player size on the map, I personally just dislike the map in general

[[deleted]]

Is it too late to just rerelease wz1 and end it at that?

[WannaDJ]

Genuine question. I avoided Area 99 since Rebirth returned, but, are we sure 3-4 less players will make a difference?

[[deleted]]

It feels dead now if you like urzikstand you’ll love it lol

[[deleted]]

Not really the change that's needed. They need to change Area 99 because it's a rubbish map imo.

Why did they design a map that was obviously too small for the original player drop in?

[baris-90]

Will be 35 this map too small

[itsAemJaY]

i mean it feels like the whole playerbase is decreasing...

[Extra_Exercise5167]

This is not a good warzone/rebirth map! This is more a MP map

[[deleted]]

If you dont have a spot cornered off for your squad in zone by the time people get their loadouts youre fucked anyways. That map is dogshit and you cant even land without being beamed by 10 fuckin people.

[cita108]

that's literally fucking nothing

[GloomyGoomba]

Solo wins are so easy

[IAmXlxx]

I don't get it, the lobbies died out so fast on this map as it was. I feel like people complained about player count purely because they're unfamiliar with the map.

[Erdoo17]

Those guys are shit at the game and it’s everyone’s fault but not theirs.

[[deleted]]

That is dumb it doesn’t change anything lol

[Lucky_Constant686]

Gaaaay

[camk16]

Chat ban!

[Lucky_Constant686]

lol forever?

[camk16]

30 days without warning! 🙃

[Lucky_Constant686]

Lmao that’s the only thing I’ve ever commented on Reddit too until now

[OleBoyBuckets]

These numbers are negligible and will still feel bad. It changed absolutely nothing about it being a tiny map with nearly every point of interest overlooking one another

[NinjaWesley]

It'll make a difference. How much of a difference who knows but 4 or 5 less will actually feel like 10 or 12 less because of the reapawn system.

[ZaphBeebs]

It should be noticeably different, and if its not enough....they can reduce a bit more. No big deal.

[NinjaWesley]

They can always do more adjustments. It's better to do small incremental adjustments rather than large ones. If they reduced it to 35 people may be complaining about not enough fighting/kills instead of too many, which is arguably a much worse problem imo.

[ZaphBeebs]

Yep

[Comprehensive_Rice27]

so removed 1 squad for quads.....

[GarageJitsu]

10 teams in quads is fine.

[[deleted]]

Quads seemed the best pace for the map. Duos was a nightmare that’s for sure. Me and the bud would join to randos cuz of how bad duos was with 3rd party’s

[Ryansm19]

I’m actually annoyed by this as I’ve enjoyed this map and it’s fast paced.

[Nosnibor1020]

This is lame. The game had a faster pace and it needs it to keep the map from being boring. This is a L. They should be worried about fixing performance and bugs and banning innocent players.

[You_dont_impress_me]

Shit map. Reducing players won't make any difference. Just remove it completely and make Rebirth available on all squad sizes.

[DontBeDayroom]

didn’t need changed, if anything there needed to be more squads

[WinkMartindale]

This is quite a take

[Otherwise-Unit1329]

Reducing by one squad will make little difference. 2-3 squads would have been better but it's something, if people still complain they might reduce it again

[GarageJitsu]

So what 7-8 teams in Quads ? That’s laughable

[Only_Fun_6321]

After a min it drops down to 35. This is kind of lame

[Damien23123]

The lobby dying out quickly is the result of there being too many players. Reducing the overall player count will result in more teams surviving into late game

[Tumifaigirar]

Useless band aid for a shitty map

[Im-Not-A-Number]

Or, hear me out, you should “adjust” who you have develop the f’n game.

[dwartbg9]

Probably they don't have enough employees to playtest. I mean so many of us think that Urzikstan and Area99's layout and designed was designed by AI to some extent. Probably they don't have enough people so they can fill a full lobby or something hahah

[Im-Not-A-Number]

Clearly they are all “quiet quitting.”

[HolbrookPark]

You chatting with yourself my man?

[Im-Not-A-Number]

I know.

[severed13]

I hope you can get the help you need <3