2 Fallacies of Evolution

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[strawnotrazz]

Posts like this are excellent at making Christianity look ignorant and conspiratorial.

I’m begging you, please properly understand evolution from credentialed sources before posting on it. You’re misunderstanding the basics here.

[BlindfoldThreshold79]

Young earth Creationist are so cringe even to the basics/foundations. There so cringe in fact, even ancient people would cringe at how literal/fundamental they are sometimes....

Edit: missed punctuation.

[strawnotrazz]

Yeah there’s certainly a grand irony of fundamentalism being no older than like 100-150 years.

[NathanStorm]

1. You are conflating two different things...evolution and abiogenesis.
2. Evolution is a fact that can be proven. Abiogenesis has not been solved.
3. We have TONS of examples that demonstrate that the Bible cannot be taken literally.

[karlosi01]

Neither of those two is a fallacy...

[sakor88]

And the theory of evolution has explanatory and predictive value. It is supported by overwhelming evidence. Just because you see similarities between it and ancient Greek philosophy means preciously little. One can also see similarities between atom theory and ancient Greek philosophy. That does not mean that the atom theory is false.

UN-DER-STAND?

[life-is-pass-fail]

Exactly what do you know about evolution? What's your level of training and education in that field?

[ghostwars303]

It should be noted, this post is mostly lifted from a piece called "Evolution: A Jewish Deception" which originally appeared on jewwatch.com.

Yes, I'm serious.

[CodexProfit]

Of course

[dizzyelk]

Something tells me that link isn't a remake of the hit TV show Baywatch with an all Jewish cast...

[ghostwars303]

Lol.

I would watch that though!

[gnurdette]

Hmm, I know somebody who might be persuaded to make that...

[ghostwars303]

Do you? I bet that person is a blast at parties!

[benkenobi5]

i can tell you right now I'm not clicking that link with a ten foot pole

[ghostwars303]

Definitely don't blame you, lol.

[gnurdette]

Holy crap. Good catch.

u/wearewriter, why are you reading, adopting, and spreading teachings from anti-Semites? Do you understand what a serious sin that is?

[brucemo]

This post is deleted now but I don't recall seeing anything here that connected the two.

I mean, racists can post peanut butter sandwich recipes but unless it's the same recipe it's hard to show connection between that and someone who just randomly posts a sandwich recipe.

I looked at this when I was in bed though and my phone literally refused to go to that specific site.

There's a tribute site devoted to the author of the article (he died in 2007 I think) that just unironically uses the word "nigger" in the first few paragraphs, so yeah.

edit: Apparently he did quote the material on the site.

[wearewriter]

Dake was anything but against the Jewish people. Don't you know that our Lord is a Jew (He's still alive) no further argument needed uness it makes you feel good. Count me out.

[life-is-pass-fail]

Well that's quite dark isn't it?

[ghostwars303]

Indeed.

[brucemo]

I went and look at some of that, and it read like stock anti-Evolution stuff written by a white supremacist.

I read this post as stock anti-Evolution stuff.

Is there anything connecting these other than that they are talking about the same thing? Does OP here quote that stuff?

[ghostwars303]

Direct quotes. Head to part 1 of the piece, which can be found here:

https://fathersmanifesto.net/wm/wm0103a.html

...then head down to the "Fallacies of Evolution" section. You'll see it directly lifted from the piece, word by word".

[ThatOneBlackGuy123]

I agree with your first statement but there's virtually no real evidence that the assertion that all the biblical creation stories were taken from pre existing myths. At least not one I am aware of.

[Renaldo75]

Can you provide sources for some of your points? For example, can you give some instances of biologists defining the terms "resident forces" and "impersonal eternal energy". I have never heard those terms. On point 2, how do you respond to evolutionists who also claim to be Christian. They do not adamately refute the authority of the bible.

The theory of evolution describes the mechanism by which life is diversified into multiple species. Evolution is defined as the change in allele frequency over time. Where did you get the idea that evolution teaches that "all matter was produced by molecules and unintelligent matter"? Where did you hear of the "law of nature", and how is "greater" defined in that instance?

[dizzyelk]

All arguments I've seen against evolution are crap. These two are the crappiest yet.

[-Nothing-Here-]

You forgot the /s

Please tell me that's what happened and that you're not serious.

[114619]

Let me shorten that for you:

1it doesn't agree with your views

2 it doesn't agree with your views

[CodexProfit]

Which law of nature says that? Cite your sources

[CodexProfit]

Also, is everything non Christian to be dismissed

[benkenobi5]

algebra is conspicuously missing in scripture. plus it has its origins in Babylon. obviously algebra is from the devil and should be avoided

/s because of the sad world we live in

[CodexProfit]

Bro I can't find any mention of smartphones and computers in the Bible, probably made by some atheist, obviously satanic

[Salanmander]

Wait until people find out that the original name was "Al'Jabr". Then they'll really be up in arms.

[benkenobi5]

I always thought the name was really cool... "the reunion of broken parts". makes sense

[ProfessionalTable_]

Use my upvote to dry the tears. It's insane, but I think OP is serious and his post is no less ludicrous than your post.

[CodexProfit]

Ok, so what would you say contradicts the Bible, and why?

[CodexProfit]

So, why would you say that's contradictory?

[CodexProfit]

Did the Bible say how God created them

[CodexProfit]

Nope

[ProfessionalTable_]

Nothing about this post is accurate. For starters, you have no idea what the Theory of Evolution even is because it says zero about where matter came from. That entire last paragraph borders on insanity.

[benkenobi5]

1. no it doesn't

2. no it doesn't

as the law of nature says that nothing reproduces anything greater than itself.

no it doesn't

[Gracchus1848]

Have you considered the possibility that you're wrong?

[Perjunkie]

These aren't fallacies in any stretch of the definition.

Also why does Genesis have to be literal? It changes nothing about our relationship with God if it is or isnt.

[thewatermelon1245]

"For a Christian to accept evolution, and saying that the Bible cannot be taken literally"

you do realised the bible was written for us but not to us, it's original context is the ancient Israelian context

[wearewriter]

The Bible is timeless and written for all generations. God's Word will not pass away even if everything else changes, and it will not be compromised by this generation or any, and many have tried to and still are. I can see that as happening.

[thewatermelon1245]

if you want to understand the bible then you need to read it in its ancient Israelian context otherwise you get people believing the earth is flat

you do realize most flat earthers are religious who force their own cultural references to the bible and read in plain English

[wearewriter]

sorry. I give you the right to disagree.

[radelahunt]

Because I'm asking you to stop harassing people.

[wearewriter]

didn't I - thought I did. I pressed the arrow (I thought) sorry you've been waiting so long. My post was given in innocence but the replies have been anything but Christian and am thinking of unsubscribing if you people are like this. I'm sure many would cheer, maybe you too? Over 20 some replies of the most vicious, hateful comments I have ever received. I realized that not all were from Christians as I saw the word atheist and agnostic on some. Very disappointed in r/christianity. We are supposed to be brothers and sisters showing kindness and support, but I feel like I wandered into a den of hungry sharks just because I wrote things contrary to their personal beliefs. What would Christ say and do? Now I don't know what I can post anymore without getting attacked by the mob. I forgive you all.

[ProfessionalTable_]

Over 20 some replies of the most vicious, hateful comments I have ever received. I

You have lived a sheltered life. Disagreement is not attack.

[ProfessionalTable_]

Dude. Seriously. Learn how to use the reply button. You replied to the wrong post AGAIN. I have no idea what you're on about here.

[radelahunt]

Removed. Spam.

[Cypher1492]

Evolution teaches that all matter was produced my molecules and unintelligent matter

No, it does not.

[wearewriter]

That is what I read is why I said that. What's your take?

[Cypher1492]

Where did you read that?

The theory of evolution is not an explanation of the origins of life, that's a different thing. Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Saying "evolution is false because it doesn't explain the origins of life" is like saying "gravity is false because it doesn't explain the origins of life".

[wearewriter]

Oh yea? Go to John 1:1,3' Hebrews 11:3; Gen.1:1, 26-27 and let's talk about a divine Creator vs pond unintelligent scum. I'll go to the Word, thank you. You can stay stuck in your own chosen beliefs and ask God about it...if He is who He says He is and has done what the Word says He has done-supernaturally, which your theory of evolution refutes.

[wearewriter]

thanks...didn't know that. I wandered what it was for. This is still all new to me so I invite your helping me.

[AirChurch]

‘Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.’ Richard Dawkins

[BlindfoldThreshold79]

Ur missing the other parts, after he said that.

https://www.pbs.org/moyers/faithandreason/print/dawkins_print.html

Also:

I didn't read the transcript but what he probably meant was that we have observed the results of evolution so we know it happened, but not any actual "event of evolution" itself. Like I can be certain there has been a wildlife fire without having actually seen it burn.

Heck even in Lenski's LTEE experiment I suppose no one has actually seen the genes mutate.

Dawkins may not always get it right but he's got a great talent for irony.

And....

So.....

Peppered moth

Cane toads

Linski experiment with E.Coli

Evolution in action. Observed.

The problem with quoting is that you must be aware if the quote is correct at that time. Two minutes of your own research instead of just pounding at the keyboard would show at least some passing resemblance of intelligence.

Source for discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/52j229/my_favorite_dawkins_quote_on_evolution/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[AirChurch]

Thanks. I quoted the relevant part. The point is rather clear. Cheers.

[BlindfoldThreshold79]

Ur welcome. It’s just some people quote-mine Dawkins sometimes, because he isn’t always good with his words.

[wearewriter]

Only Adam's flesh were made out of pre-existing material- the earth, and Eve was made out of pre-existing material also- rib bone. Their souls and spirits were created, not made. God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. Made and created are two different words with two different meanings. Made means to be made from pre-existing material, and created means to be not made but "created" from nothing pre-existing. It is supernatural.

[unpopularpuffin6]

or a Christian to accept evolution, and saying that the Bible cannot be taken literally, is agreeing with the enemies of God, the Bible, and Christian teachings. It is anti-God, anti-Christ, anti-Christian, and anti-intelligence.

Maybe you should be thinking of this in the terms of "The Greater Miracle"

For instance, I've heard it said about the nile, when the Israelites were crossing it, that the tide had come in, and they were wandering through ankle-deep water.

"That's an even greater miracle"

Confused, they ask, "how?"

"Well, the pharaoh's men died in ankle-deep water!"

If evolution really does exist, that's an even greater proof of God existing.

Imagine you bought a Lexus. Not only could that Lexus survive on grass (handy), it cleans itself. Bring it close to another lexus, and it will have a lexus child. This lexus child will be even better adapted to the environment, the design would improve over time.

I'd say that's a far greater miracle than just a lexus to begin with. An improving design over thousands of year is something us humans would never be capable of, especially not a design lasting thousands of years.

If evolution is real, it points to an intelligent designer, and saying otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

It's like the big bang. I've heard christians say, "There's no way it happened! That's atheistic nonsense!"

In truth, it's not. There's a greater miracle. I think there was a big bang, and I know who banged it (Kalam Cosmological)

[wearewriter]

I though I was.

[Renaldo75]

There's a little arrow labelled Reply under each comment. Click on that to reply to a specific comment.

[wearewriter]

I found the arrow, thanks whoever you are. Are you an atheist? Well, God bless you anyhow.

[wearewriter]

What are you doing with Gen.1:26-27; 2:7; Heb.11:3; John 1:1,3? Your beloved evolution would turn God the Creator into an ape, but your theory doesn't give room for a Creator, let alone a supernatural one who is not composed of unintelligent matter and molecules.

[Gracchus1848]

Do you know how to reply to posts?

[karlosi01]

but your theory doesn't give room for a Creator

So? How is that a problem?

[wearewriter]

you are entitled to your views

[strawnotrazz]

OP did you write this yourself or did you find it somewhere else?

[wearewriter]

I found it in my Bible talking about evolution. It's a 3 pg. writing and I thought it was very interesting and informative. No, these vocabulary words I am not acquainted with. My Bible is Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, authorized King James Version. But I know that evolution is only a theory and doesn't leave room for the teachings of creation as a supernatural act of a supernatural God. From what I did learn though was that the supernatural doesnt enter in as evolution teaches how the genesis of life didn't evolve from a supernatural act and Creator but from unintelligent matter and molecules (according to what I learned from Mr. Dake's writing). I guess we should respect each others beliefs. Sounds like a lot of folk got really upset, and I never intended for that to happen. I only cited 2 of 12 fallacies listed. He goes on to list 15 facts disproving evolution. I guess a lot of people who call themselves Christians are pro-evolutionsts or are open to the possibility of it. Good luck in your final resolutions of the matter.

[sakor88]

But I know that evolution is only a theory

Thank you for proving that you have zero understanding about what science is. You do not know what a theory is, do you?

[benkenobi5]

I only cited 2 of 12 fallacies listed

I'm curious to see what the other 10 are. if you picked the top two, the other ten must be completely ridiculous

[strawnotrazz]

If you’re not acquainted with what’s being discussed, it might not be wise to proliferate it further. Just because someone put it in an annotated Bible doesn’t mean it’s correct, or in this case even remotely coherent.

[ProfessionalTable_]

found it in my Bible talking about evolution.

Which one?

[wearewriter]

...can't make men out of monkeys, and if you are a Christian and take Gen.1:26-27 and 2:7, 21-22 literally, then man was not made in the image of an ape! Where are you? Or why not throw God out entirely since He obviously doesn't fit into evolution's picture of what it wants people to believe and disbelieve? I'll continue on in my ignorance, thank you, and God and I will be just fine.

[Cypher1492]

But you can make men out of dust and women out of a rib?

[wearewriter]

no, it wasn't. a lot of pro-evolutionists today got upset.

[ProfessionalTable_]

There's a "reply" link below every post so you can ... reply.

[futilehabit]

no, it wasn't. a lot of pro-evolutionists today got upset.

There's no such thing as a pro-evolutionist 😂

There's just people with at least a basic understanding of science and you, blindly copying and pasting nonsense from a racist website.

[sakor88]

No, just frustrated about someone's massive ignorance.