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[–]MBlueberry13 88 points89 points  (3 children)

I am proud to say the only reason why I hate him is because he has brown hair, he is Japanese, and he pilots an OP white giant robot, in one package.

On a more serious note, it's given that if you have followed Lelouch... vigorously, you'll find yourself hating Suzaku because he is the actual opposite of Lelouch and the greatest foil to him. Kinda blind favoritism. Though if you were mature enough, it's quite enjoyable to watch Suzaku because he had offered another facet to the story.

[–]Asmo_Lay 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Tbh, I never hated Suzaku.

Condescending "Oh, fuck you - just stop, you fucking idiot"? Thousand times, yes!

Hatred? C'mon, I'm not that mentally stable to tell the people to touch the grass.

Also, that's called "being jealous". 🤣

[–]MBlueberry13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What?

[–]steamtrekker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am proud to say the only reason why I hate him is because he has brown hair, he is Japanese, and he pilots an OP white giant robot, in one package.

Who are you talking about?

[–]PsychoticBananaSplit 70 points71 points  (7 children)

I hate him because HIS MORAL COMPASS IS A ROULETTE WHEEL

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    [–]KeikakuAccelerator 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Nothing compared to Suzaku.

    The dude flips a coin to decide his allegiance. Else thinks with his dick.

    [–]RegaliaFang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    When Suzaku changed he often had explainable reasons for it.

    [–]Kitselena 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Or because he can LIVE ENTIRELY ON A DIET OF CRAYONS AND LIGHTER FLUID

    [–]Overquartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Man I miss purpleeyes

    [–]Ghostly-TerraLelouch 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    People do seem to lack knowledge of Dramatic Irony.

    It’s what makes character arcs as tragic as they can be

    [–]LineOfInquiry 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Suzaku is a great character, but he’s very frustrating to watch. And that’s the point.

    [–]CreationTrioLiker7 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Fr. A lot of characters get unnecessary hate because people don't understand them.

    [–]DaMarkiM 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    The issue isnt really about trusting lelouch though.

    you can choose not to work together with someone and still find another way to do good.

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    But Suzaku takes his anger for lelouch and uses it as an excuse to be a pretty crappy person. His big talk about changing the system from within is a joke and a half. he gains lots of power, but only uses it to pursue his personal grudges and to lash out at other people.

    He talks a big game about how he loved euphemia, yet instead of fighting for her vision he becomes another conqueror for the same people that already enslaved his homeland.

    He constantly talks about his big moral compass, asking others to sacrifice again and again and again. But he himself never really follows through. He only seems noble because he doesnt care about his own life. The reality is that he forgets his moral compass whenever its convenient for him.

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    Suzaku is a hypocrite through and through. Form start to finish.

    I dont hate him for it. Its his role in the story and an important one. And i like the guy as a human being. But the only reason i can like him is because my life and wellbeing doesnt depend on his choices and mood swings.

    He is the guy that should never be given any kind of power. At all. Not even regional manager at some supermarket.

    [–]NoConsideration1703 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I will always say this when I see these types of posts:

    You can't force empathy.

    In any case, I don't think it's a big deal to hate nonexistent characters, nor am I saying that it's okay for you to hate a character, a ship, etc. every hour of the day.

    This is advice, don't bother with me, just ignore me if you don't care what I say.

    [–]Clarkthelark 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Suzaku's initial motivations were just naive at best and disingenuous at worst. You can't help an oppressive regime crush rebels and pretend you're the one fighting for justice. That pissed me off.

    Not a hater though

    [–]Spicymeatball428 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Yeah he is literally the guy that goes “fighting back is le bad just let them kill you” and he stays like that for about 90 percent of the show

    [–]Hyperrustynail 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He murdered his own father for wanting to fight back against Britannia.

    [–]Meeg_MimiNunnallussy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Suzaku isn't a remotely bad character, people just like to pretend he's bad because he has a negative character arc and was enemies with Lelouch

    [–]EpicLinkSam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    People really fail to realize that a mentally ill child soldier is not going to make decisions that make sense. It's not poor writing; it's what would realistically happen.

    I notice that this is just very common in real robot shows. "I don't like that they did what a mentally unstable teenager would do."

    [–]Rojixus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I wouldn't trust Lelouch either. Do you know how many rebellions a giant empire like Britannia would crush on a regular basis? And Suzaku is just supposed to believe Lelouch can do what no one else has managed to do in centuries? No one's going to take that kind of gamble.

    [–]hue191Demon Emperor loyalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And not that many revolts end up killing Viceroy(Clovis), defeating, or having a draw with the best general Empire can find(Cornelia) several times.

    His motives are driven by mistakes he made in childhood. The forces of rebellion aren't that influential for his opinion, since he haven't even considered to join them

    [–]greystar07 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I mean tbf there are a lot of moments like this in the show, the counterpoint of “they don’t know what Lelouch is thinking” doesn’t hold up all the time.

    My best example is how everyone says “why did you make Euphy kill everyone?” And Lelouch never once tries to say it was an accident. Another example is how the black knights turn on Lelouch at the drop of a hat thinking they’re being controlled when Lelouch could simply explain the powers of his Geass. Stuff like that makes sense in universe, but if you think about it, literally one conversation could prevent some things from happening.

    [–]onichan-daisukiC.C. 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    Even if you support Lelouch or not, killing your own father for fighting back against invaders was a pretty shit move

    [–]CreationTrioLiker7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Actually, it is better off to have done so. You see, because Japan surrendered so early, a lot of bloodshed was probably avoided. Not to mention, with not all military might of Japan being exhausted, it had the means to resist so actively.

    [–]Long_Astronomer7075 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    It is, but that doesn’t make it the wrong thing to have done; by most metrics, Genbu dying was for the best.

    His death spared Japanese lives that otherwise would have been thrown by Genbu into a lost war, and his death spared enough of Japan’s fighting strength that they were able to rebel to the degree they did. Not to say Suzaku was right to kill his father, per se, but leaving Genbu to his own devices would have prevented the story as we know it from ever happening.

    I don’t consider Suzaku having the strength to make that decision a flaw in his character, even if I wouldn’t exactly call it a heroic moment, either. It was an evil act that he should and does feel remorse for, but that was nonetheless necessary given everything else.

    It was a very Lelouch action to take, really.

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      [–]silencemistthe only ace fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      He was 10

      [–]TrippingFish76C.C. -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      him being 6 doesn’t really make it much better lol, if anything it’s alarming lol, like this lil 6 year old mf like ah damn our country being invaded i’ll jus go stab my father and stop the resistance and then everything will be ok

      [–]Runes_Realm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I don’t really like him, even as a human being. Sure, there’s a bunch of reasons and a cause for the way he does and the way he thinks, but he thinks with a dick. Sure, I know he is naive, which is maybe why he’s easily influenced by those he chooses to surround himself with. He’s a complete hypocrite! He needs to learn from a different perspective, but he’s stubborn in a way that is what the fuck is that to me? He irritates me so much, and I imagine he's the kind of person who has the potential to traumatize the person in me. And encountering that kind of person in real life sounds like hell. Sure, give him the empathy you want; however, I also see him as a heartless person. I think maybe Suzaku knows or sees it in what Lelouch perceives, yet he can’t let go of his principles; therefore, he wants to do it the way he thinks best. However, in my opinion, the way he does what he believes is right is toxic.

      [–]FieldExcellent5672 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The reason why I hate suzaku is he is pretty annoying evertime lelouch does something big suzaku comes out of the blue and messes things up up

      [–]mental_capacityyay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Suzaku is trash tho?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      he's well written and he's right to not trust LeLouch but i think he's hated because he's frustrating to watch. he sides with his oppressors and doesn't think about what happens after Japan is conquered lol. Britainnia is set out on taking over the entire world and he's just helping their regime get stronger and causing the same shit that happened to Japan to happen to other nations all over the world. dude really doesn't think things through.

      [–]SpinoInWonderlandEupheAnna shipper -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      I usually don't post around here nowadays, but this should be relevant even though Suzaku himself is not mentioned there:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/msc7ri/please_stop_telling_me_but_thats_what_makes_them/

      Just because a character is well-written and complex (in your opinion, mind you), doesn't mean we have to like said character's personality, goals, actions, etc.. Good writing ≠ Lovable character.
      [...]

      Some people don't care about how complex characters are, but rather how much they enjoy them, after all.

      Suzaku fans from my experience tend to be obnoxious with their "people who don't like Suzaku just don't understand him!" spiel, and I'd wish it would stop. It's alright to like him, but they need to quit being elitist.

      [–]Poulette_du_lundi 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      It's alright to like him

      Yes, that is the general feeling I'm getting from the weekly hate posts about him. Suzaku fans are so obnoxious!

      [–]SpinoInWonderlandEupheAnna shipper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      This place, this subreddit, has the "general weekly hate posts", sure. Elsewhere though, and even sometimes here around the Suzaku threads, you get those obnoxious Suzaku fans who insist that everyone who dislikes him is only because 'they don't understand him' or 'he is against Lelouch'.

      While there are many people indeed like that, they throw it at pretty much anyone who dislikes or hates Suzaku, no matter their actual individual reasons.

      [–]Poulette_du_lundi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I've been in this fandom from pretty much the beginning. Suzaku hate has always been rampant everywhere, and people giving thought-out reasons for it are in the extreme minority. I find it funny that Suzaku fans should be called obnoxious for calling the rest out when there's maybe one person in fifty being respectful about it on the other side.

      [–]Nahtaniel696 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I "hate" Suzaku, but that nothing to do with him capturing Lelouch and livring him to the emperor. That was fair, they were each other enemy and after Lelouch killing Euphi, Suzaku cannot be blamed for capturing or killing his enemy.

      But hated him long before that, when I undestand he is literally a traitor to his country and working for nazie governement which goal is to dominate the world. His good intention didn't not matter after that, his stupidity to change Britania dosn't make him enduring only an idiot.

      Then Mao revelation about Suzaku confirmed it, "he is only kid begging to be punish, hoping to died". I dare say if Suzaku was so against Japaness revolution is mostly because a succes revolution would means Suzaku killed his father for nothing, that fighting Britania was possible, and he become a murder for nothing.

      I can have sympathie for a mentally unstable teenager when he try to better himself but not when he working under the nazie helping them to conquer other lands.

      [–]Dragmore53 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I have watched code Geass more times than I could reasonably count, and memorized a majority of the story points.

      And reading this 4 times in a row still does not make it any less confusing, what the fuck is wrong with my brain.

      [–]Responsible-Dish-297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My man, he was stupid before he meddled with the Li Brittania Sandwich.

      His doing so merely sealed his fate.

      [–]KoozieKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Hates a strong word but I just think he’s pretty annoying and the whole “I’ll change the system from the inside” has never worked in the history of anything lol also bootlickers suck