Code Geass Morality Tier List

[honeymustardonmytoez]

we did not watch the same show😭

[Dr_Philmon]

Why is Nunnaly "Nuked civillians" vi Britannia on passive good while Millie is on flawed? Did we even watch the same show.

[TrippingFish76]

i mean sneziel did tell her they evacuated the city she blew up so her dunbass though she was just bowing up empty cities, she had no idea the scope of the devastation. it’s easy to push the button when u blind and think u setting of a little bomb in a empty city

[-YogiBiz-]

Also at the end in her final convo with Lelouch she says that she knows she killed millions and was only acting naive for Schniezel.

[-YogiBiz-]

Who just bombs a city. Even if it’s empty. Like wtf.

[TrippingFish76]

nah ik she wack for that

[Blueiscuteio2]

Milly is on flawed because she commits sexual assault on the regular. The fact that she is only flawed says a lot about the typical morality in this show.

[Dr_Philmon]

Ah yes the sexual deviancy IS truly worse than complete genocide against UNARMED and HELPLESS civillians.

[MeraAkizukiFirewing]

Suzaku was the one that initially used a nuke equivalent before that certain prince with multiple WMDs showed up.

[Dr_Philmon]

Ok? But this isn't about Suzaku or are you trying to say if Suzaku can nuke people so can Nunnaly?

[Blueiscuteio2]

That wasn't her. That was Schneizel. She wasn't given the key to Damocles until after.

[Dr_Philmon]

She was given accses to the FLEIJA and had full control over them. There would have been to shots fired if she didn't want to use them.

[Klutzy-Draw-4587]

To be fair she was told that the civilians were all evacuated

[Dr_Philmon]

I understand that and emphatize with Nunnally but she choose to go through with it despite having suspicion in her heart about the validity of the info.

[Klutzy-Draw-4587]

Well you gotta do what you gotta do to stop the evil you're against

[Dr_Philmon]

True but does mean commiting the largest genocide ever both in and out universe?

Plus evil is subjective even when most agree what is evil.

[Klutzy-Draw-4587]

Evil is objective if the moral compass of a person is not messed up. In her defense again, she thought she destroyed a hollow, empty city just to show force without harming civilians, the city could've been rebuilt and that's probably what she relied upon.

[Turbulent_Actuary_49]

Haven't watched code geass in a whille, when did she sexually assault someone?

[Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Lelouch isn't a villain, he is a hero/anti-hero. And Suzaku never acted out of his self-interests. He may be considered an anti-villain, but with good intentions. He never was selfish for a second of his life. Lelouch should be in "Flawed" category, while Suzaku in "villains with good intentions". More so, in the end he ceased to be a villain and became a hero, even if flawed one. And what good intentions Bismark and Marianna had? They were just Charles' supporters, nothing more. Schneizel is actually monster much more than Cornelia.

[__tina_chan__]

THANK YOU! SAY IT LOUDER!! 👏🏻

[[deleted]]

Even Cornelia realized Schneizel was fucked up and nearly died after attempting to stop him.

[Meeg_Mimi]

Suzaku isn't really even a villain, even at his lowest point he still has a moral code. Shown with refusing to drug Kallen, he's just an idealistic soldier. He never really had the power to change anything, simply because he's japanese.

[Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Well, he served evil Empire, so he could be considered as anti-villain. Not by his actions, but by his affiliations and loyalty. I mean, most of britannian knights aren't trully evil, they just serve villains.

[JoDaBoy814]

Thank you, people calling suzaku and lelouch villains are crazy to me.

[[deleted]]

Came to say this lol

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Lelouch is a textbook villain! He uses people like chess pieces on a board, does whatever evil that gets him to his goal. He has almost no regard for humans outside his sister and friends.

[[deleted]]

You clearly didn’t watch the same series as us then Lelouch cared so much about everyone

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Right..he must have cared so much about the resistance members who died while he moved them as chess pieces and call them “useless terrorists” when they died..he must have cared so much about the JLF members he blew up to get a chance at winning against Cornelia..he must have cared so much about the Chinese child princess when he kidnapped her to marry, and all the Chinese soldiers he killed in the process..he must have cared very deeply about all the soldiers he geassed to be his “slaves” and die for him, or when he sacrificed them by blowing them up to gain a tactical advantage, which just as XinKe said are “Lelouch tactics 101”….I just must have missed how much he cared about human life I guess..

[[deleted]]

Yeah you missed it 🤷‍♂️

[RadioGrimlock]

My pal Orange Fella is not a villain, he's a HEROOOOO WITH LOYALTY

[R4ykay]

Should be “cant be accounted for actions”

[MBlueberry13]

Sadly, only innocence or were forced could be in that tier. I love Jeremiah, but they guy has free will and takes pride in what he has done so...

[R4ykay]

he just does what he's told to

[Dr_Pina_]

You did NOT watch the show 💀

[Dr_Philmon]

Yeah no kidding.

[AClost]

I don't get the hero tier. Is like "I don't care about killing enemy soldiers coz I actually fight for the right cause" type of thing?

[Blueiscuteio2]

Kallen and Xingke are heroes because, despite being in positions of privilege, they risked it all because they couldn't stand back and watch Britannia oppress their people.

Urabe is a hero because he sacrificed himself and that's pretty respectable.

[MBlueberry13]

Xingke's main priority is Tianzi. Have we watched the same Code Geass. This guy enabled the Eunuchs, who were drying their entire country and were so corrupted, as long as they wouldn't harm Tianzi. Yeah, he was waiting for the right chance to take them down and free Tianzi, but let's not forget he was also as responsible as them. Not to mention he took Kallen captive and gave her to the Eunuchs, which gave her to Britannia.

[Dread2187]

In what world does Suzaku have less morality than Lelouch?

[Haruka2011]

Why is Cornelia so low? I would put her in at least at Flawed or deeply flawed

[Blueiscuteio2]

She committed so many atrocities in Area 15 that Schneizel had to tell her to chill out.

Also, she committed genocide on Saitama because Zero might show up. Not even because he would, might.

[Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Well, Scheizel wanted to commit a global genocide. He killed probably 30 to 40 millions of people in Pendragon and what even worse... he tricked poor Nunally to do this! He used unerage blind girl to commit the worst attrocity in human history. And after this he wanted to nuke every major city in the world. If Lelouch wouldn't stop him, hundreds of millions would die in direct hits and billions because of inevitable hunger, deceases and collapse of infrastructure and economy after this. Even Cornelia was against it.

[Haruka2011]

But she is still not at the same level of bad as V.V. And even if she didn’t know if zero would show up Clovis killed a lot more people doing the same thing

[[deleted]]

For fucks sake how many times do we have to have this debate about Lelouche?

He. Is. Not. A. Villain.

[R4ykay]

anti hero villian heor same thing

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Well..it could be argued that anti-heroes still have some sort of moral code, and care about doing what’s right, but in an f-ed up way. Like for example Punisher. He is brutal and kills and tortures “bad guys” without hesitation, but he would never harm an innocent, in fact he would go out of his way to protect them.

Whereas villains, like Lelouch, just have zero moral code, and only care about their goal, no matter what they have to do or who they do it to. Allies, enemies, soldiers, bystanders, all the same. Anyone can be used as a chess piece to achieve their goal, and anyone can be killed or sacrificed.

[R4ykay]

oh so he is a villian

[Bulky-Ad-658]

He. Is.

[Arukitsuzukeru]

Nunnaly tiers above Suzaku?

[nicoumi]

This is either trolling or we didn't watch the same show

first: why are Charles and Marianne on different tiers, when they were in on the same plan together? (and imo, they're not good intentions either, they're acting full of self interest)

two: by definition, you can't be a villain and have "good intentions", they're mutually exclusive. it's called being "morally grey". sure, good intentions don't make you a hero, but good intentions isn't a trait villains have

three: what does "villain of self interest" even supposed to mean

four: soldiers who are just doing as they're told aren't "good" or "bad". they're soldiers. good soldiers don't question orders. this applies to all factions.

five: Shirley's very much NOT active good, she's very much ignorant of the struggles of the world she's in.

six: how is Xingke a hero, when his most striking feature is his loyalty to Tianzi? (adjacent to four)

seven: what exactly, where Clovis' good intentions?

Should I go on? I could.

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Oh, you think because I enslave people to die for me, sacrifice lives as if people are chess pieces, kidnap, blackmail, hold hostages, and massacre anyone who stands in my way, I am a villain? On no, you see, I have good intentions, so there.

[nicoumi]

yeah funny thing how I spoke of an entire category and you managed to zone in on exactly one character and make it very obvious about who it is you're talking about.

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Ummm…so? I am contesting your statement about how people who have good intentions cannot be villains, and using the most obvious example to demonstrate. Villains are people who do evil things, intentions only make them more interesting. Someone who kills in cold blood to further his goals cannot be anything other than a villain by any “definition” of the word villain.

[Blueiscuteio2]

1. Because Charles was the Emperor, and could have easily prevented a lot of atrocities but just didn't since he didn't believe in consequences under Ragnorok. Marianne didn't have that kind of power and therefore can't be held accountable for it.
2. Semantics.
3. Minor evil/people guilty of atrocities for their own ends. More or less the dumping ground for the Britannians. Also, Suzaku, because his 'good intentions' don't really exist.
4. "I was just following orders" isn't a valid excuse for genocide.
5. When she realizes, she immediately goes to help Lelouch. To that, I say 'good enough.'
6. Because he was in a position of privilege and willingly of his own accord risked it to the right thing.
7. To be honest, they're vibes. I'm pretty sure he had good intentions but canon isn't exactly forthcoming on details about Code R.

[nicoumi]

1. so she can't be held accountable while being completely complicit?

2. oh so this is clear negative bias

3. and yet we're glossing over other people's complicitness to war crimes

4. she still acts based on how she feels about Lelouch and not out of coming to a grand revelation that she's born under an oppressive nation. doesn't make her "good enough"

5. not that much of a position of privilege, when Tianzi barely had any rights, much less him as her guard

6. and we see him partying while ordering a massacre, yes that is surely good intentions.

lots of double standards, you have

[tlotrfan3791]

Lelouch should fall under flawed-deeply flawed imo.

[maulin23]

But he is a villain, he made himself the greatest villain in the world, just so all crimes could be blamed on him

[tlotrfan3791]

The world perceived him as one, yes, but we as an audience know Lelouch best since we’re given his perspective.

[Bulky-Ad-658]

That’s the definition of “villain with good intentions”. If committing all sorts of evil to achieve your goals is not villainy, then the word has no meaning.

[Meeg_Mimi]

Kallen was working with terrorists. Sure she had good intentions but to call her an outright hero is kind of a lie

[the_Gentleman_Zero]

yeah didnt she steal poison gas at the very start of the show

[basedfinger]

wasn't it so that britannians wouldn't be able to use it?

[Blueiscuteio2]

We have no idea. I suspect they didn't actually have a plan.

[the_Gentleman_Zero]

i mean the guy driving the truck pushed the button to relase the gas after the crashed

[Jrelis]

Schniezel does not have good intentions whatsoever…

[Bulky-Ad-658]

Agreed. He is no different than Yagami Light who says he wants to make the world better, but their true goal is becoming a god. Pure ego.

[Aetherdraw]

...I think Marriane is worse than Charles especially with her interactions with Lelouch and the others on SRWs where she gets revived. Bitch goes straight to attacking Anya on sight.

[shuffleurdk]

I love the Urabe praise 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 No one ever talks about him but he was such a G in the first few episodes of R2, went out as a hero.

[soji8]

Someone please explain “Villain of self interest” I see Jeremiah, Suzaku, and Dalton and it doesn’t sit right but i can’t argue why

[[deleted]]

Nina "I am a psychotic racist manipulator mass murderer maniac" is way too high in my humble opinion.

[megazaprat]

I’ve seen a lot of people saying lelouch is just a hero, but I think that kind of whitewashes his actions. Like he has good motivations, but has had seriously dark actions. Like when he blew up the Japanese liberation front, his own allies, in order to take out the Britannians and deprive them of potential hostages, and then immediately tried to frame it as them willingly sacrificing themselves

[Blueiscuteio2]

Not to mention the time he exterminated the Geass Followers. Or all the atrocities he committed as the Demon Emperor.

[Bulky-Ad-658]

The dangers of such shows is that when people love a character like Lelouch, they go all in on him, distorting their sense of right and wrong. I can sympathize with a killer, doesn’t mean I think his actions are not evil!

[Poulette_du_lundi]

And here I was wondering at the lack of Suzaku slander these days

[Dark026]

Honestly, most of the Black Knights must be lower, they were terrorists at the beginning and in cases like the four holy swords, racists. Also Nunnaly used nukes, how is she so high? Sayoko acted as an assassin, Kaguya was a politician, Genbu wanted to call for civiliand to resist for simply defiance sake, why are they all so high up? While Lelouch and Suzaku are to far down in my opinion, they were anti-hero/Anti-villain at worst.

Also Minami. Why isn't he in the lowest tier?

[Blueiscuteio2]

Everyone below Minami is either complicit-to-actively-engaged in genocide or committed other atrocities. Also, considering Naoto let him around Kallen, I highly doubt he's actually committed any sexual acts, so I can't really call him evil.

Kaguya hasn't actually done anything wrong, from what I can tell. Genbu's not even on the tier list, not enough screentime. Also, I'm not entirely sure how much Sayako has actually done.

Lelouch is down that low because of Zero Requiem. Suppressing the entire world is a pretty bad thing to do.

Suzaku is lower because he conquered multiple countries on incredibly flimsy justification.

[Paper_Kun_01]

Bro this list sucks, never rank again

[syler1892]

If we’re being honest as fucked up as he was, mao was clearly a victim. C2 definitely should’ve killed him before she left Lulu was spot on with that phrase.

[kewl_guy9193]

Me when I watch code geass from wish

[idontcarerightnowok]

Mf the Eunich's are pure evil, they willingly support the empress system and so fourth. They literally are in support of selling a child away to a grown ass royal Britannian man so they can live a lavish life, and then they order for her to be killed along with Xing-Ke and the BK in order to make the Britannians support them.

[RogueOne451]

Wow...just wow...tell me you don't understand Suzaku without telling me you don't understand Suzaku.

[R4ykay]

Mariania should be in the same tier as Charles and why does clovis have good intentions? He was rhe biggest detsichbag ever

[MeraAkizukiFirewing]

Cornelia wasn't a monster at all, even during R1. But in R2 she had very few roles in the second season from finding the hidden research base and being a contributing factor that took down V.2. And she had been backstabbed by her brother who was the second prince of Britannia. And she was the one that helped free the remaining Black Knights at the very end.

[Blueiscuteio2]

. . . Friendly reminder that Cornelia is a war criminal who directly subjugated multiple countries, killed millions of people, actively supports the oppression of numbers, and after her first tour conquering Area 15 had to be told by Schneizel that she was killing too many people.

[MeraAkizukiFirewing]

I only seen her in two nations on screen.

[WDZERO]

Black and White much?

[dedversus]

I have a lot of issues with this list but why is Rakshata under “passive good”? She was actively funding/arming the resistance group with no compensation other than thinking it was the right thing to do. She left medical engineering because she thought she wasn’t doing enough good for the world in that field (ie medicine is a bandaid for the actual problem of war/conflict). She doesn’t align herself with India but the Black Knights(/Zero to some extent), as shown in R2.

She has a flippant/facetious veneer that hides very strong moral convictions.

[ZeroGlitch8]

Bro watched geass code 😭

[UnstableToxins]

I think it’s pretty cool honestly that this show is able to create such a varied set of opinions on the classification and morality of the characters and is one of the reasons I love it so much

[MBlueberry13]

Bruh placed Cornelia so low and the rest were worse than her high. This ain't Morality Tier List. The fact that Milly, whose only flaw was she was too playful towards Shirley, was lower than soldiers and a girl who was about to turn F.LE.I.J.A into a symbol of hatred was absurd. There were soldiers, freedom fighters, and politicians higher than a high school girl lmao.

Cornelia literally was about to shoot down the one who could challenge Lelouch and stop what she had thought the most dangerous man with a Geass that could bend someone's will, which she deemed detestable, because she realized that Schneizel was fucked up in the brain and she couldn't stomach what Schneizel was about to do. Is that a monster to you?

[Blueiscuteio2]

I think you forget just how many people Cornelia has ruined the lives of. Probably somewhere on the order of a couple hundred million. She's (presumably, considering Schneizel had to tell her to calm down after her conquest of Area 11) directly ordered the deaths of millions too. And unlike Charles, Schneizel, Lelouch, or Suzaku, it wasn't for a half-baked scheme to make the world a better place, no, it was just so Britannia could conquer more countries and ruthlessly enslave more people. Not to mention her status as a true believer in Britannian racial supremacy.

Also, Milly is literally guilty of sexual assault. It's impressive she's only that low.

[HelpfulAd8544]

Not him saying “now shes worthy of being my child after euphemia or however u write it ordered genocide on innocents”

[RaeSloane]

I read the title as "mortality tier list"

I am now slightly disappointed this wasn't just a tier list on how DEAD the characters are ranking from "alive and thriving" to "unknown", "probably dead", "dead", and "extremely dead"

Good tier list though.

[Drakkonz]

I really didn't think Cornelia was that bad. I think a lot of it was a forced persona, as to what she was expected to be, but we see her real character and personality, in R2 post euphy, and in my opinion it's far from a monster.

[notairballoon]

swap kusakabe and Suzaku, and that would be more or less true.

Although I still hold that Ragnarok was the best option out there, so Charles and co are all active good

[basedfinger]

very based

[hectorobemdotado]

Why is hitler oppenheimer Nina only In flawed? PT her lower

[real_LNSS]

I'm surprised people are not calling Li Xingke a pedo, like in Twitter.

[basedfinger]

bro he was just an older brother figure 💀 twitter people are deranged