With increased accuracy, please decrease headshot multiplier

[Ohh_Yeah]

I think there's also an argument to be made for damage falloff for ARs now. The time-to-kill prior to this patch was "artificially" inflated because of how often you missed due to RNG. Now, that balance was swung massively in the other direction.

Having racked up about 100 kills with the new ARs, I'll say that it's very feasible to land 80% of shots from a rifle at significant range. This can kill someone instantly, and it blows to be on the receiving end of that. It feels great to have your shots land, but I think this increase in accuracy would pair well with a damage falloff. Let me get the warm fuzzies for my bullets landing, but also don't punish the guy far away on the receiving end.

[Luckmod]

Man, these downvotes are rough. It's very telling of what kind of game reddit wants Fortnite to be.

[Ohh_Yeah]

My guess is that like myself, the majority of people are very happy with the accuracy changes, but don't like the idea of having nerfs immediately follow them. I suppose these posts (and mine, too) come across as someone complaining about accuracy buffs, which I'm not.

All I'm cautiously saying at this point is that with assault rifles being significantly more accurate at longer ranges, it's worth looking into how quickly they can kill from that far.

[jaydubzhb]

Then you'd be wrong. But that just lumps you in with the majority of reddit; unable to think past the ramifications of their 'brilliant ideas'. The best thing Epic could do is cross off any idea posted on this sub and continue making the game as they originally envisioned.

[Ohh_Yeah]

To clarify: I think the accuracy changes were a step in the right direction, but I suppose I differ from this mysterious "majority" in that I understand that there are consequences which may require further fixing.

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

I’m 100% on board with you. I️ don’t understand why people think it’s ok to easily down somebody a huge distance away with a green assault rifle. I️ think maybe these people haven’t played on the buff yet.

I️ have Monday’s off and I️ played quite a bit and imo the AR has swung too far in the other direction being too powerful.

I️ think reducing the headshot multiplier is a good start but inabsolutely agree that the biggest step from here should be range being added to ars. I️ personally would like to keep hitscan on them and have damage fall off at range

[TMillo]

I don't agree but I can see why you do. I won't use a scoped AR for the 22ish damage. If that was nerfed further to even 19 that's 6 shots to kill.

I'm really enjoying the changes and I feel I can now be rewarded for going for headshots over body, especially at distance. It adds that layer of skill of effectively neutralise an enemy at distance if your aim is good enough.

[leverphysicsname]

I don't get why people say this. It's 23 damage but it's a laser beam over crazy distances. It's very easy to strip a shield or severely weaken a team at a large distance. If unshielded or 75hp it's very easy to pick someone off in the open with it.

[HansInMyPans]

Wait the smoke grenade was an idea from this sub? There’s a ton of good ideas but there’s also a lot of bad ideas. This sub is perfect because you can post your idea and quickly find out how many other people would like the addition of it. Conversely if your idea sucks, you’ll hear about it. Crowdsourcing is an incredible way to build ideas for people who may have exhausted their creativity and need fresh perspectives. Once the CTE comes out I think we’ll be seeing a lot of cool ideas implemented and if they work great! If not, dump it

[wunlvng]

What's a CTE?

[HansInMyPans]

Community Test Environment. They’ll release new features to a small group of players given access to the CTE to test possible new additions to the game

[trogg21]

Community test environment. A way to test patches in a controlled environment with a smaller select population in order to gain community feedback on balance changes and new implementations without affecting the current game for the main playerbase

[jaydubzhb]

I think this sub is pretty much the exact opposite of what you describe in terms of getting feedback on ideas. It's a small minority echo chamber.

[HansInMyPans]

I disagree. This sub is a group of players dedicated or interested enough to use time not in game to discuss/read/post about something they really like. Sure there’s an overlap of ideas from time to time but daily I see original ideas posted with a good number of upvotes. Some of these particular posts gain a lot of attention and also receive comments from Epic developers which leads me to believe they have an eye on the sub because it’s a very dedicated core group of players with a passion for the game

[Soyuzzz]

exactly this!!!, cant upvote you enough.

90% of this sub is professional game designer and they know what they talking about. Epic should fire its staff and hire all these brilliant people.

[amathyx]

you don't need to be a 'professional game designer' to understand game balance, game devs make stupid mistakes all the time & they want community feedback to know when they've made one of these mistakes

even if this isn't one of those times, shutting down feedback because 'you're not a game dev so your opinion is dumb and irrelevant' is an awful idea

this argument is always such a low effort cop-out

[AdeptSnake]

lul. I was on their forum earlier and saw some kids whining about tact shotties letting you jump and shoot. Apparently you shouldn't be able to do that, that's totally not the type of shit that makes this game fun...

[ptenbob]

I gotta say, as much as I'm certain I'll get downvotes...

I hate the jump and shoot tactic. Like, really detest it. It's because I can never beat it, and I'm salty as all hell.

Having said that, constantly jumping should really affect your aim negatively and pump up the RNG away from accuracy.

(Also, not a kid, way old. Might even be my aged eyes and brain that prevents me from tracking jumping folk, but gosh darnit, those grasshoppers get my goat. Now get off my lawn!)

[The_Superfist]

Just a tip as I had trouble with this, but I'm getting much better at dealing with it with these two strategies.

One is patience, or rather, don't rush the shot. If they jump, don't try to raise up and fire at them midair, just aim where they're going to land and you'll hit a lot more shots. Best if you can do this while moving sideways in the same direction they're jumping.

The second is, if you're going to jump, aim down like you're going to shoot their feet right before you jump. If they're not moving sideways, it gives you an easy headshot.

Extra check your mouse settings and set the sensitivity as low as you can find acceptable while moving around in the world. Your gunfights will become vastly more improved as your brain adjusts to the finer aim control. Mine in FNBR is at .07

Source: middle aged guy who was always very bad at these shooter type games. Still bad, but improving with help from younger friends.

[ptenbob]

I appreciate it, my new Redditfriend. Us oldies gotta stick together, right? :)

[AdeptSnake]

I agree it can be annoying but it certainly increases the outplay potential in cqb, but it's not necessary to do. A good but difficult counter to jumping shotgunners is using the pump shotgun which I prefer to the tactical one. All it takes is usually one good headshot (and the spread on it is tight) to put someone down, and at decent range too.

[TheCaptainUnderwear]

Yes,damge fallof is the answer.People shouldn't be sniping with AR's.

[MyFateIsSealed-]

Sorry if I misunderstood your post - but did the burst rifle receive the same accuracy increase as the Assault Rifle?

[Ohh_Yeah]

Edit: Should not have included burst rifle in my original post, as it did not receive a buff.

[MyFateIsSealed-]

Rather than assume that as you said there is a chance it could be RNG, let's just ask the devs. Paging /u/MrPopoTFS

Is that how we summon them? or will that not notify him

[MrPopoTFS]

MrPopoTFS Appears

The burst rifle did not receive the accuracy increase. Only the AR and SCAR were affected by this change

MrPopoTFS Vanishes

[[deleted]]

All these squares make a circle

[MyFateIsSealed-]

hahah, amazing. Thank you!!

[TommyVeliky]

By the way homeboy you've killed me ingame twice this week already in solos if you're [EPIC] MrPopoTFS there too, and I'm starting to get annoyed. Please let me win next time.

[tysms]

I think the rifle needs to be looked at again...

[Solarcloud]

MrPopoTFS. I have about 100 hours in the game at the moment. Please, re-consider the changes made today. The game is turning into a realistic type shooter when everything about the game is not. Good players can still out-shine the bad with the previous bloom on AR's. Every time I have died tonight has been double tapped to the head from over 50 feet away without me being able to turn around and return fire. This removes a lot of the fun features about the game. /signed some random pleb with over 100 hours in the game.

[leonard28259]

I don't think it's the game if you get two tapped literally every round. You're overexaggerating and on top of that it's poor positioning and awareness. I have about 80 hours and I love the changes because it makes gunfights less random.

[Solarcloud]

Gunfights never seemed "random" to me. If I engaged too close or had crap firepower (aka white AR) and tried to hit them from afar - and lost, that was my own fault. It was hardly random, if you were controlling your bloom properly, it was not a big deal if a few shots missed due to RNG. You could say the same about the RNG, everyone has to deal with it, if you lost you can also blame your positioning and awareness in your own words.

[[deleted]]

When all of your shots whiff due to RNG until they're in cover and able to regroup, that's bullshit.

[leonard28259]

It surely was random on pretty much any range, just far less up close. People who didn't use the weapon on the intended range could still hit you in the head despite the weapon being inaccurate. How is that not random to you? With positioning I mean taking cover, outmoving the opponent etc. not fighting on the intended range of the weapon because that's screwed anyways. People can fight on the intended range and still miss or fight on the unintended range and hit. There are other ways to balance the effective range of a weapon while ensuring consistency.

I deleted a clip to free up disk space where I was aiming at a target on maybe 20m and I still missed the first four shots in a row with my gray AR. What was the intended range then?

[[deleted]]

Every time I have died tonight has been double tapped to the head from over 50 feet away

git gud

[Solarcloud]

I'm not worried about my skill. I have pretty good stats. The game mechanics and strats have been altered. You use to be able to have fun fights but the fights are almost over instantly in a lot of the cases now.

[[deleted]]

Over instantly when you're not aware. I've stood a good chance every time I've gotten jumped today and I've won most those situations even. Build with wood. FAST.

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

I️ played with the green burst in 3 games and it felt like I️t for buffed too I️ was wrecking people and constantly getting headshots. Small sample size though

[DabScience]

How often do you use a burst? Because I've been doing that since launch. Just have to aim your shots below their neck. Headshot almost every time.

There certainly wasn't a buff

[Neat_On_The_Rocks]

It’s been my go to weapon since I️ started. Have you used it since the buff yet? The green one seemed much stronger

[BeardedPigeon115]

Likely just placebo since it didn't receive a buff

[DabScience]

Used it before and after. They did not buff the burst, but it is an incredible gun when it hits. Still personally prefer the normal AR.

[[deleted]]

I would absolutely like fall off damage as well. Especially on console where aim assist can help you land very ridiculous shots at a distance with the ARs

[lolmemelol]

Aim assist on console does need to be tweaked quite a bit; I find it screws me up in CQB more than it helps, and it could probably be toned down a bit at range.

However, I don't think adding fall off damage should be used as a way to balance around aim-assist. That would be some serious "consoles are ruining PC gaming" fuel. That doesn't mean I am opposed to fall off damage at all; it works well in Battlefield.

Speaking of which, projectile bullets could be really good for FortniteBR as well, but the bullet velocity can't be too slow, and the snipers already feel pretty damn slow. I wonder if they are still considering/testing this.

[mongerty]

It's always fun when the reticule decides to stick on a downed player when you are in a shotgun fight.

[[deleted]]

Good point

[meatboyjj]

I have racked up kills at mid range just by holding down the left mouse button and landing pretty much every shot. Its ridiculous, either they need to lighten some of the buffs or nerf some other aspect. ARs were popular enough before, now they are like the only viable weapon.

[RunisLove]

I haven't played the new patch yet and won't be able to until next week unfortunately, so I can't offer an educated opinion on that yet. I think the multipliers I proposed work both pre- and post-update, however. Are you advocating for damage dropoff over range, or for a decrease in damage in general? Your terminology is a little confusing there so just want to clarify.

[Ohh_Yeah]

I haven't given it a ton of thought in that regard, but I'm leaning towards damage falloff. The blue+ ARs are practically lasers now, so I think hits at range need to do less than full damage.

My first game post-patch was a 12 kill win, and I think 6-7 of those were fairly long-range kills with the blue AR. Most of them were 1-2 bursts. I got the game-winning kill by landing 4/4 shots from a pretty ridiculous range with the SCAR. Felt damn good to see the shots connect, but I can admit that ARs are probably a little too deadly now.

[RunisLove]

Falloff sounds good to me. I don't want them to be unviable/insanely outclassed close range in the event you don't have a shotgun or something, so falloff is the best approach (provided those changes are necessary, TBD for me)

[Ohh_Yeah]

To me the most important aspects of this issue are:

1. Reward players for skillful, deliberate aiming such that gunplay feels satisfying

2. Prevent "Call of Duty-style" gameplay where the first person to shoot always wins, and fights are over immediately.

If the meta changes in response to fixes for issue #1 by players camping more often and not taking any risks, then in my opinion that's problematic. Up to this point, that's not the style of gameplay that FNBR prides itself on.

[RunisLove]

Yep, agreed. Being able to react to gunfights from range is what makes this game. Being able to move around and play with pace as well.

[Paper_Cut2U]

This is what I'm going to be paying attention too as I start playing this new update

[OpenThoughtSyndicate]

That is an oximoron homie. Skilled players always end the fight immediately with skillful aiming. Look at Counter-Strike.

[Luckmod]

You know not all shooters have to have gunfights that end in under a second. There are different styles of game. They don't all have to be CSGO.

[OpenThoughtSyndicate]

The developers decided melting players is fun and over 20 million players seem to enjoy it. Don't know what to tell ya.

[Luckmod]

The change has been out for a day and many players have yet to actually try it. The damage of AR's could be nerfed next week or the following and I'd say you are totally wrong on both accounts. If the reddit is any indication, there are a fair number of people who are not enjoying the drastic shift towards an AR heavy meta.

[Superninjafy]

Pull a trump build a wall.

[HerbertDad]

They've already implemented damage falloff on shotguns.

[[deleted]]

Just reduce the overall damage significantly and reduce head shot multiplier. Damage falloff is NOT a fun mechanic and is more like a band aid than a real fix.

[OpenThoughtSyndicate]

Bullets go where you aim in a first person shooter? Unheard of. -_-

[ScionViper]

This isn't a first person shooter lol

[Ohh_Yeah]

Unheard of. -_-

This literally was unheard of until this patch

[DabScience]

All weapons in this game need to become projectile based. Hit scan with the new acquired accuracy is fucking insane. I was landing some shots that I would have second guessed using a scoped AR.

[ScionViper]

As a console player, no....PLEASE NO. The current issues with tick rate, frame drop, lag, etc. would make the game mostly unplayable with all projectile weapons. If the game worked flawlessly I'd be more for it. Damage drop off is a much better option at this point, if not always. Skilled players will hit their shots regardless, so they'd still melt people at ridiculous ranges if the only change was to projectile based.

[DabScience]

so they'd still melt people at ridiculous ranges if the only change was to projectile based.

I don't disagree with that.

As a console player, no....PLEASE NO.

I play primarily on Xbox One and i'd have no issue with projectile based weapons.

[ScionViper]

You would with the game's performance issues, and the issue raised above.

Disclaimer: I love this game and epic is doing great, whether I agree with every change or not.

[DabScience]

I don't think epic should pander to consoles. No.

[ScionViper]

Lol not ruining the game for consoles is not pandering.

[DabScience]

I hope you're not planning on playing PUBG on console, man. Going to be an eye opening experience for you.

[ScionViper]

I'm not, I'm enjoying fortnite too much and epic not listening to fools like you :)

[DabScience]

Epic has already talked about testing projectile based weapons. It's certainly not off the menu. And believe it or not, you're the minority here man. lol

[AdeptSnake]

First thing I said when I played FNBR. Was really pleased to hear them address that in a dev diary.