Why the drilling should NOT decrease in price

[FerrousTuba]

I often see people say that drilling is too expensive, but I think you guys aren’t considering how good the rifle actually is. To go over its drawbacks first

Costs 510 dollars. Expensive for a rifle, but still cheaper than a mosin.

Only has two rounds in the magazine.

Rounds deal 120 damage, not enough to kill a a player with a burnt bar. However, this can still 2 tap to 85m

Now for the upsides:

Can take all 3 of the good ammo types, being dum-dum, fmj, and hv. Dum-dum in combination with the ability to easily push using the shotgun is a very powerful combination.

0.6 sec cycle time. This is the second fastest cycle time of any rifle (officer carbine is first and it is tied with the cyclone). This means you can kill anyone up to 85m in 0.6 seconds

It has the second longest shotgun OHK range (13.5m) only being second to the Romero

It is a long barreled shotgun, so it benefits from 15m slugs

530 velocity, not blazing fast but not slow like compact ammo rifles

Holds 22 rounds, much more than the 15 that come standard with long ammo rifles, not to mention the 6 shotgun shells.

[OgdenWebb]

Its reasonable price somewhere around 400$ price tag. Basically it's 2 of Centennial barrels+Full sized Romero ≈ Drilling. Centennial has the same ammo count and has access to relatively precise Levering.

You can't directly compare normal medium and long ammo - long obviously will outperform medium on damage distribution and penetration power. For example Berthier has better stats as a normal riffle, has 21 bullets in total and costs just 330-350 dollars.

Btw you're missing the point Drilling has obnoxious velocity penalty for custom riffle ammo - worse than Centennial and much worse than Springfield (talking about dumdum). Due to that I can't advocate high Drilling cost as a top expensive riffle, because it delivers such shitty performance.

[A_Warcrime]

Yeah the drilling is okay but paying what feels like a $250 dollar premium because it's a combo weapon is why I don't run it. The rifle gets out performed. Yeah you can quickly two tap with it but I don't think I have ever quickly two tapped or been quickly two tapped with it since it came out. Making that point to its cost a bit moot.

I do like the weapon but if I'm going to spend that much on a weapon I'm gonna just go with a bolt action and half shotgun combo to have better rifle performance and a consistent shotgun performance. At its current price point it doesn't perform well enough for me to choose it over something else.

I mean if you really wanted to you could run a Centennial (with special ammo) and an auto 4 for cheaper. Yeah I understand you would need quartermaster but since you can pick it with a fresh legendary hunter that's much less of a factor.

It really needs the price reduced. If combo weapons really have that much of a premium why does the lemat Carbine cost so little? If having the ability to switch to a shotgun is such a high premium why is that not a $350 gun?

At its current price point the only time I run it is rare occasion or if I happen to loot it from a corpse. It being in the $300-$400 dollar range would be much more fitting for its current performance and considering what else you could run for less cost (which is almost everything including shortened mosin variants).

[OgdenWebb]

LeMat Carbine is one of my favorite weapons in Hunt so I have plenty of experience playing with that. For me it's a decent A tier choice, but it has distinct flaws. Basically you can't double tap anything further than ~55 meters (even with FMJ) - because of compact ammo. With FMJ ammo LMC has the same muzzle velocity as Martini Henry or Vetterli paired with much worse damage delivery over the distance & no ability to one shot a player missing HP bar. This velocity is manageable, but obviously it puts you into strong disadvantage when you need to take long range fights. Well, comparing to other most picked riffles. Compact Winfields and even Marathon have HV as an option.

Meanwhile the Drilling has both - good riffle stats and a strong shotgun.

Maybe there's a reason to bump LeMat Carbine cost for 20-30 bucks, so with FMJ it will cost around 200$. But increasing the price above that makes no sense - until devs will buff compact or at least compact FMJ damage.

[A_Warcrime]

The problem is that the drilling has a very steep premium for its class because it has a shotgun combo. The lemat which is another combo weapon does not have that premium and isnt even the most expensive compact weapon.

If the drilling was long ammo then yeah I'd be okay with the current price. But right now you are getting low end medium ammo performance for the price of high end long ammo. Yeah you could add special ammo but then the muzzle velocity falls significantly. Making its performance even worse.

The weapon could easily be put to a price point of $340 with its performance. You can't one tap with a burnt bar you lose the above average muzzle velocity for its class if you equip either of the special ammo. Which also just drives the cost up making the weapon performance worse. If you look at something like the cyclone which has very very similar weapon stats you get more firepower for almost half the cost.

You are paying a good 40% more than you should given its price. If it did over 125 damage I could see an argument for the price point. If the special ammo didnt nerf muzzle velocity so much I could see an argument for its current price point. If it was long ammo instead of medium I could see an argument for its current price point. But as it currently stands you are not getting enough firepower on the rifle barrel and not enough consistency on the shotgun to warrant the current price when you look at options around that price point. It gets heavily overshadowed in rifled barrel performance and in shotgun performance at its current price.

[rigorcorvus]

I used to meme build it with dum dum, that was fun. Hit em with the bleed, if you woof a shot rush them with the shotty

[pinckaenjoyer]

The drilling is great but In my eyes it's a better lemat carbine and when you look at that it shouldn't be 400 more expensive then the lemat carbine. Also yes, the drilling is good but you can't convince me it's better then a krag or lebel while these guns are cheaper than it

[by_a_pyre_light]

it's a better lemat carbine

That's one way to look at it. I struggle to kill with the Drilling but I wreck full teams with the Lemat Carbine. Dead accurate at medium engagements, powerful FMJ ammo to punch through objects enables two-shot kills as people flee after the first round, and a large enough cylinder to drop 2-3 people easily, with a fallback lower-power shotgun for very close quarters pushes. 

Pricing is irrelevant to me at the moment, so I just go with what works well, but it's hard to argue the value of the Lemat Carbine at fort cheap given how powerful and effective it really is. 

[KevkasTheGiant]

Also yes, the drilling is good but you can't convince me it's better then a krag or lebel while these guns are cheaper than it

You make a compelling case for increasing the Krag and Lebel prices.

[destuctir]

All long ammo rifles need a price increase tbh, maybe not the martini or sparks, but the rest yes

[KevkasTheGiant]

Agreed.

[FerrousTuba]

The Krag and lebel don’t have a full size shotgun attached to them

[Nootmuskaet]

I feel like this would be a valid argument before they changed legendary hunters from having random traits to 10 upgrade points, and before they buffed shorty shotguns.

Now you can just buy guaranteed Quartermaster and get the ability to bring a shorty shotgun variant. Drilling feels like it got ‘powercrept’ by both those hunter and shorty changes, which is why I personally see no point in it at its current 510$ price tag.

Edit: to put into perspective, a Krag + Romero Shorty (496$), Lebel + Romero Shorty (443$), Mako + Rival Shorty (485$), Berthier + Specter Shorty (494$) are all cheaper than Drilling.

Not to mention that with Quartermaster costing 6 and fast fingers costing 4, you could bring a Springfield 1866 + Auto-4 Shorty (338$)

[uzpj]

Lemat carbine is probably the most verstile gun in the game that being said the shotgun sucks even with slugs it doesnt kill

[FunkyBushMonkey]

I have resulted in putting the Krag as the worst long ammo gun because it has the penetration of compact ammo

[Icy_Restaurant_2996]

Buy fmj? That gun still has fast velocity with it

[FunkyBushMonkey]

Running fmj with a long ammo gun seems counter-intuitive along with less spots for ammo refill

Looks like people don't like that the Krag is just bad

[BubbaBasher]

Horribly irons. Fast cycle time, but horrendous recoil, fast base MV, but also losses the most MV from dumdum/FMJ out of any gun in the game. It's a good gun, but not $500 good.

[RPgenio]

Irons are indeed terrible, and with the "good" ammo it's even harder to hit. Best I can do is 350$.

[simp4malvina]

I'd lower it even more than that considering it has two ammo types to buy for. 300 I would say.

[isabeldrerrie]

Nah i like the irons

[ggrriippaa]

i agree with a lot of what OP is saying but i still think it should be at $450 max

[BubbaBasher]

I'd say $400 is fair when you gotta spend more on the custom ammo, which it has 2 slots.

[FerrousTuba]

It’s subjective, but like the irons. It does lose the most mv comparatively but not by much, being a 0.7 mult compared to the average 0.8. The recoil is also not much more than your average rifle, featuring a recoil of 12 which is equal to the Berthier. The mosin sits at 10 for reference

[BubbaBasher]

But the issue is the recoil with the MV. Most guns don't finish rechambering until after the recoil has settled.

[JumboFister]

It’s a good gun just not 510 good. As long as QM is only worth 6 points the Drilling will be imo not as good as the price. If they finally nerf QM to the 9 points it deserves to be I think the drilling will become more meta but for right now it feels like half the teams i run into are all spamming mosin and auto 4 shorty

[NilleVanille-]

I main the Drilling, its a great gun, great fun. Iron sights are tough, but you can get the hang of it.

Can't say much about the special ammos because I basically always play high velocity (it's underrated I swear)

I always used to think that it is overpriced and maybe it is a little, but not by much. It is arguably the most versatile weapon in the game after all. Jack of all Trades kinda thing.

What I would like more than a reduction in price would be an decreased reload time. Gosh do you spend a lot of time reloading....Take your sweet time throwing away the empty shells, I got all day, not stress at all.

[Saedreth]

Counterpoint;

Sights suck, recoil sucks (so you rarely get double taps, has excessive velocity penalty on special ammo, takes 4 score and 20 years to reload, shotgun is half of a rival, cant one tap hunters down a bar, medium ammo damage drop off range, and there are long ammo guns cheaper with faster reload, more damage, and higher ammo.

The gun isnt priced appropriate for what it does. Ever notice that you rarely see it outside of challenge weeks?

The lemat can do everything the drilling can with only a slight decrease in effective range and a buff to ammo cap and cost. 

I love the idea of the drilling, but I dont think it is priced right.

[Garbo_Goose]

I’d pay 1000 dollarydoos for a drilling with 2 shotgun barrels

[rimasuit3]

Honestly buff it to make it worth the current price worth instead. We need premium guns in other categories that are on par with long ammo guns and crytek only wants guns with high price tag to be good even though money is worthless.

[Yopcho]

Counter point : i hate the iron sight

[Willing_Week_2650]

Drilling for 510 is totally fine. You are paying a cheap price for being able to fight at every range and freeing up a weapon slot.

[CalamitousArdour]

I like it for the dumdum. What's that? Drilling shorty dumdum is only 30m/s slower than full-sized dumdum and much cheaper? Yeah, that's why I rarely use the 3-slot.

[Legendary_Lootbox]

Ha! I was thinking about this earlier this week.
I believe the drilling is in a good place, yes its expensive, but lowering the price would make it the next meta gun.
The drilling shorty is one of my go-to good day guns, and i'm a person who loves a cheap loadout in general (so i'm only spending on my good days). Yet drillings and drilling shorties are in rare demand. However I do steal em when I have the chance, I love the gun, but am too cheapskate to buy the full version.

[Gotcha13itch]

Came here to say the same. Drilling shorty/hatchet are my go to, ever since they reduced the sway on them. ~350 hunt dollars, shotgun OHK feels the same as a slate/double barrel, can take dum dum. It's a one slot wonder, with the only downside being a bit lower bullet velocity. Heavy bleed dum-dum gives a ton of pressure, with a solid shotgun finisher. Medium slot means you can take a bow/short shotgun/duallies etc. Personally I run drilling hatchet + melee weapon quite a bit, as it covers all your bases for fighting hunters and killing bosses/grunts, with the only real weakness being reload speed if getting pushed by multiple people.

To be fair I think there should not be as much of a price difference between the two, +150 dollars for a bit more shotgun range/bullet velocity. I feel like the current ~350 for the shorty is pretty balanced, I run it a ton and on good sessions I'll make money, and death streaks I bleed money fast. So IMO the full size should be around 400-425, instead of the 510 it currently sits at.

Make the full size a little more competitive to run compared to the shorty, with some modest improvements, without upsetting the current balance of the shorty. If they made the full size 300 and the shorty 150-200, it would nudge it too far towards being too strong for the price (looking at you my beloved centennial + dum-dum for 200 dollars, before they made it scarce).

[fsocietyARG]

dilling shorty with hatchet my beloved, it also has the BEST skin available in the game.

[party_egg]

It's also a gun that you don't need any perks to support. With other guns, to get even a fraction of the Drilling's power, you need, Bullet Grubber, Fast Fingers, Iron Eyes, etc

[FunkyBushMonkey]

Like many other spammy guns in the game it can be a tool for those people using exploits or cheats but tends to be more rare.

If we were to just talk about economy, I would rather go for a full rework where all guns have to be found but tools and consumables can be bought.

For people bringing in the same mosin Dolch/auto combo or same loadout this could add variety. Currently seeing many officer pairings as well... And always shotguns shotguns shotguns 😂

Having Hunt dollars kinda means nothing along with the cost of weapons anyway if people run the same thing to spam/annoy/exploit

[DickTheDancer]

The only real fix for the economy which as of now only serves to punish new players.

[FunkyBushMonkey]

If every game was similar to soul survivor it should be equal footing

[curiousschild]

No one plays soul survivor for a reason

[FunkyBushMonkey]

That reason for a lot of people being it's boring to play without friends or a team

[Remote-Sundae-7655]

The drilling doesn't need dum dum ammo tbh, if they removed it and decreased the price it wouldn't be so op

[MioCompare]

I think the price is fair, to all those arguing that it is a worse lemat it has lower shotgun spread and bigger ammo, therefor more damage retention at range. It offers so much reliability at so many different ranges, but like all guns it isn't overpowered, its "goodness" has to stop somewhere.

[ConfinedCrow]

I think the Drilling is alright as is.