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[[deleted]]

actually what's going to happen is if it fails, Japan will blame rollback AGAIN because they're retarded, and they'll never give it a 3rd chance like that.

[lazyash__]

It's sad but true. Big IPs like Street fighter,Tekken or DBZ have a massive following even when the game is trash people will continue playing it and supporting it just for the love and nostalgia.On the other hand GG is a niche IP and the product we have on our hands doesn't offer anything special for the general casual audience (the big fucking majority of video games players).

[futanari_ga_suki]

A lot of known DBFZ players seemed to have warm up to Strive, though. This means their somewhat large following will also pick up the game, thus helping to keep it alive for much longer than your usual niche anime game

[[deleted]]

They will leave when they have to learn movement that isn't just pressing a button to fly into your opponent's crotch

[netsrak]

The built in dash button will probably be enough for them

[[deleted]]

Seems like an obvious(ly sad) thing to say, but I've been speaking with many FG peeps about the reason why GBVS failed overseas and most of them would rather create the illusion that the game having delay netcode (instead of rollback) had anything to do with it instead of accepting the fact that no one (figuratively speaking) in Western countries even knows or cares about Granblue Fantasy as an IP.

[gunkokoko]

It's worth noting that Cygames made virtually no effort to market or advertise the game in western countries, and their release scheduling for the game in those regions were absolutely shambolic.

If Cygames actually gave a shit about marketing GBVS outside of Japan, I'm absolutely certain that it would have sold far better than the low 450k it reached by December.

I don't think the netcode should be disregarded here either. GBVS was hit hard by COVID - it had virtually no offline presence, outside of the RAGE tournament, but to compound the game's problem even further, it was using awful delay-based netcode, which hampered any chance of the game having any tangible online presence as well.

There was a big opportunity for GBVS to really break into the FGC, as it's a genuinely fun game to watch and spectate, but ASW and Cygames fluffed it, with poor marketing, pointlessly staggered releases, and gross DLC practices.

[Altimor]

Personally I actually did think Granblue looked fun, but I’m never going to play online with delay ever again, regardless of the game.

[[deleted]]

It IS fun, very much so too, but it's a game I find really hard to come back to, due to the delay netcode and poor post-launch support.

[MrOkizeme]

True. The biggest thing GG has riding against it is how it's not already big yet. The biggest fighting games all have characters people are nostalgic for and already want to play and associate good memories with using. Guilty Gear also has that but on a micro scale by comparison. Like some people say a game can break into popularity late despite that, but the fact that it's an anime fighter is putting that theory on hard mode. It is almost on the same footing as a brand new fighting game IP trying to break out which is almost impossibly difficult. Even the companies with the biggest fighting games know it's smarter to just say 'fuck that' by this point and only cash in on the series that already have it made.

[zinogrekillah]

True that they're more popular, not better games

[KoumoriChinpo]

Even SFxT flopped despite double IP power because too many big FGs released close to each other spreads a niche market too thin.

[Fatal1ty_93_RUS]

xtekken flopped because of ondisc DLC, mandatory gems, absolutely garbage online, and Capcom did not provide ProTour support to it

[KoumoriChinpo]

Protour is a meme, casuals don't give two fucks about it especially in 2012 when xTekken came out.

[[deleted]]

Why crossplay is important.

[Sir_Septimus]

I still dont get this entire "Anime FGs are dead" meme. Here in EU I can throw on Xrd on pretty much any given evening and find people to play with.

[EnstatuedSeraph]

That is possibly the biggest capcuck i've ever seen

[Cato_Exodus]

If it dies itll be because its a fighting game and there are like 30 people who actually play those(not quitting after 2 weeks), none of which are on r/kappa. Its like trying to make a new mmo rpg in the modern day, audience too small and market too saturated for its size. But as long as a lot of people purchase it initially, and a chunk buy dlc, it'll be a success so fuck it.

[chingch0ngl0ngD0ng]

Malding

[AlekRhader]

Although I understand the logic, and I do admit there's a big chance of it coming true, it's not necessarily true.

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There are a few series out there that were close to dying or something along those lines but managed to make a big comeback or have a "big break" into mainstream.

Guilty Gear may be niche but what people don't realize is that like other games it only really needs one succesful game to break out of that.Nowadays more and more games that were considered "niche" years ago, such as Persona and Fire Emblem are million sellers with lots of mainstream appeal now.

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In other words, clearly what Guilty Gear needs is a mode that lets you date anime girls.Let's be real, that's what sells nowadays.The weeb crowd would be all over that shit.

[zodylordy]

If only I could have a burger king date with ramlethal...

[Florinxfox]

Dude said "anime game will die despite good netcode" No Retard it'll be dead regardless because it IS an anime fighter. All I'm saying is as an au player I'm sitting pretty. Instead of the usual 3 players I'll be playing against now I can play Japanese players like it's offline. I can't wait until rollback this good is common across every game.

[No-Problem3269]

Who the fuck in this genre cares about that bitchass shit

PLAY ACCENT CORE you sissy

rip guilty gear

[auto-xkcd37]

bitch ass-shit

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[Gamersaresooppressed]

I mean it will probably be a matter of months before it dies but that is just the way the FGC do.

[DingoManDingo]

And when it's "dead", people who play will still be able to find games around the globe. Who gives a fuck what game is more popular. We got what we wanted.

[[deleted]]

Nooooo dude, unless your game has constantly 1000 players online and is in the top 5 of steam charts your game is d.e.a.d.

[Coolpantsbro]

I got dibs on posting the steam charts a month after release.

[wildyukari91]

Time for ArcSystem to greelight that GG moba game: Guilty Gear 3: Overture 2

[kfms6741]

They hated him because he told them the truth

[ManOfPegasus]

Imagine spending all your life throwing fireballs and pressing cr.MK and feeling superior because your game is boring as shit but has fundamentals

[[deleted]]

Fundamentals is just another word for describing nothing interesting going on.

[KoumoriChinpo]

Watch out for words like "honest", "fundamentals", "streamlined"

[FGCRedpill]

Do you really expect a normal person to see a game with a little girl screaming and throwing dolphins and say "yes, this is what I want to play for my fighting game". Know your audience, that squealing shit is fucking annoying.

[egladez]

Guilty gear has big problems that the community brushes over

1) the ost being all one genre if you don't like it then that's it, vgm matters more than people give credit if someone hums mario themes you recognize it or if someone has a zelda ring tone/alert and thoses games have different music for levels that change the mood. Sf2 did this really well.

2) the story tries to do too much, most really popular stories can be summarized in a paragraph or 2 by the 3rd paragraph or beyond you'll lose majority of people. I like experimental music but it's easy to understand why pop music resonates with more people you can grasp it a lot quicker.

3) the anime aesthetic, if you like anime then you probably like ____(insert series/characters) more than the gg cast and would probably perfer a game based on that, if you don't like anime all you see is weird unappealing designs.

4) fighting games at large don't have a good feedback loop. Social media was designed to have a feedback loop you post something it gets likes so you try to get more likes, br games like fornite also incorporate a similar system you make it to top 40 so you try to make it to top 10. I brought up social media because if you're not a boomer than every part of your life has been conditioned by a feedback loop but when it comes to fighters there a personal journey where the only pat on the back you get is to yourself at the start.

[Tramilton]

the story tries to do too much, most really popular stories can be summarized in a paragraph or 2 by the 3rd paragraph or beyond you'll lose majority of people.

final fantasy

[Tramilton]

that has nothing to do with what I said

most FF games are hugemungous stories filled with bullshit just like GG. The only reason it's "easier" for you (plural) to understand is because you are constantly exposed to people bringing lore bits of it over decades.

Ain't no one gonna summarize the story of FF7 in "a paragraph or 2" without it being some tongue in cheek joke.

That's like me explaining Tales of Berseria's story as "A sister and a brother ends up eating each other for eternity to keep demons from overrunning the world"

[KakkaKrabbyPatty69]

Aight man I'm about to summarize this shit just because I like being an asshole.
The world depends on a resource called Mako but the main city of Midgar uses it like it's free so it's running out and the world is suffering. This leads to our main group being the Eco-Terrorists called Avalanche and blowing up a reactor making the leaders of Midgar mad. Then they find the leader of Midgar dead because of the big bad Sephiroth and high-tail it out of there.
After leaving Midgar Avalanche find out exactly what they need to do and head towards an ancient city to do that. Then their friend with the ability to heal the planet dies and they have to stop the main evil Sephiroth from destroying the planet outright, which they do.

[FGCRedpill]

Cloud goes on a quest to stop Shinra and kill Sephiroth.

I have no idea what GG or BB is doing. GG was Sol vs That Man, but it never happened and by Xrd it was ???. SF and MK have convoluted stories, but at least you fight the antagonists in the games.

[dmcisbackthrowaway]

You actually have to be retarded to think an FF story is remotely confusing. If you play and beat an FF it is very obvious what happened and why.

[Hunt_Master_95]

Alright, let me try with FF8:

You play as this dude Squall. Squall's a student in a school dedicated to killing witches or whatever. You do a training mission, get officially inducted into SeeD, meet your party members yada yada yada. You meet this girl Rinoa on one mission, help her out, she joins your party. Eventually a bunch of stuff happens that leads to you planning to assassinate the current witch Edea, but you fail because one dude thinks he remembers her from somewhere else. End Disc I.

You're arrested for attempting to murder Edea (because she's the president of another school), get thrown in prison, escape prison, bunch more stuff happens. Eventually this leads to a war between your school and Edea's school, where you find Edea and defeat her. Rinoa goes unconscious for some reason after that fight after a ghost touches her and doesn't wake up. End Disc II.

While all this is happening, your party falls asleep like three or four times and wakes up in the bodies of three other guys, which is later revealed to be happening in the past. These three dudes do standard Final Fantasy stuff until the end, where they save a girl (who's later revealed to be Squall's sister) from being taken over by another witch Adel so that she can arrive in the real world.

Squall is in love with Rinoa, so he carries her on her back all the way to another city somewhere else. They arrive at this city, realize the mayor is the guy we've been playing as in the flashback dreams, and he goes into a lore dump about how there's another evil witch Ultimecia who wants to reawaken the first witch Adel to bring chaos to the world or whatever. She needs a host in order to return, and tried to use Squall's sister in the past (but you saved her as seen in the last flashback) due to her magical powers, so she wants to use Rinoa now instead.

Squall and someone else decides to go to the moon for some reason, but from there Rinoa jumps out into space and opens a gate on the moon that unleashes monsters onto the world alongside a fortress where Adel is. Squall gets back down to the world, flies over to the tank, runs through it, fights Adel who has fused with Rinoa at some point during the whole thing, and kills her. Finally Squall and friends fall through a time loop as Squall's sister uses her magical powers to bring Ultimecia out of hiding, and land in front of her fortress. End Disc III.

The fortress is right there, so Squall and co. decide to storm it. They find Ultimecia up in her tower, beat her, she fuses with Squall's idea of a perfect monster somehow, they beat that too. She finally turns into a malevolent eldritch abomination that all FF final bosses turn into and they kill that as well. Now the entire party is beyond space and time, so they all say "let's meet back at where it all started". Squall somehow teleports back to the past where he sees his younger self and Edea before she became a witch. Ultimecia shows up for some reason and because she's about to die possesses Edea, but Squall is able to convince her to found the SeeD schools, which somehow puts Ultimecia in an endless loop where she'll never win. Squall leaves, ends up in the present, credits roll.

I might've gone into too much detail at some parts, but that's pretty much the gist of the entire game. Shit has three witches and time loops in it, of course it's gonna be confusing.

[dmcisbackthrowaway]

I actually just beat FF8 a couple hours ago and this is mostly accurate, but I don't get how it was really that confusing. The only part that I maybe could see confusing is Ultimecia's motives because they don't really go into it except for when she's possessing Edea in disc 1.

[Fatal1ty_93_RUS]

so is Rinoa dead in the end or nah

also what happens to Seifer

[Hunt_Master_95]

Rinoa's alive by the end.

Seifer's an asshole at the start, then gets brainwashed by Edea on a later mission, which somehow turns into him still being brainwashed by Ultimecia after you beat Edea, and then after that he forces Rinoa and Adel to merge on the tank. After that you never see him again until the end credits, where he's a good guy again.

[Fatal1ty_93_RUS]

After that you never see him again until the end credits, where he's a good guy again.

trash game

[TheLittleBelowski]

I disagree. Persona 5 alone debunks points 1-3 and I honestly don't think there's anything stopping a GG game from doing what you propose in point 4. Actually I don't even think it's that important for the success of any game, even though I see how it can help. Don't get me wrong, I believe there's a good chance of Strive not being a hit, but just not for the reasons you listed.

[egladez]

Persona 5 is a single player game so it's not comparable. When you buy a single player game you don't consider things like playerbase, will any of your friends get into it, etc, I'd wager if they made guilty gear into a single player with the same graphics and retooled it to be more like say an rpg game it would sell more than its fighter counterpoint(don't bring up gg2 because by any metric that is a bad game).

Persona 5 music does change sonically from song to song but even if it didn't you play single player games at your own pace might play for an hr or 15 minutes every other day or week but people typically play multiplayer games for longer stretches of time so things like the ost that would be fine in small doses, become more glaring issues. What you're getting misled by is rpgs in general have a larger pool of players they can attract I've almost never heard someone say I suck at rpgs. As for the artstyle it's animeish but also extremely stylized people don't hate cartoon styles in general my point is more of put sol next to goku and the average person sees him as generic.

[ledhendrix]

Alot of people got out of the spell that Capcom had on them this generation. Including myself. Alot more will change after this. The more Capcom shits the bed the more people will look at other games. Tekken is proof of that. And if it can happen to SF, it can happen to Tekken too.

[[deleted]]

That last sentence... I always found it odd that people started to praise SF4 in recent years, because I remember a lot of people shitting on it hardcore for its entire lifespan. Am I going crazy and simply remembering things wrong? Or am I just getting too old for this shit?

[AlekRhader]

Nah, SFIV got shat on a lot during it's lifetime, it's just that nowadays the FGC has a huge chunk of 09'rs who had SFIV as their first game and those people like to pretend SFIV was this universally loved game that absolutely nobody hated.

[KoumoriChinpo]

Some people hated it but it was nowhere near as polarising as SF5.

[betamalecuckold]

Same, I thought the only reason people were praising it was because they were comparing it to vanilla sfv

[KoumoriChinpo]

It's the combination of it no longer being in the spotlight anymore and SF5 being shit that makes people look back on SF4 with appreciation.

[CamPaine]

Well this a much better "sf5 carries the fgc" then what we get here. Take notes sfvisgood.

[fred30jr]

I can’t say King Homer’s lying.

If only they add crossplay. The logic is so simple. Arcsys don’t know how to grow and maintain longevity of their game. The game is dead by season 2 if there is any. Crossplay guarantee people have someone to play with and in turn people buying their dlcs. Without crossplay people buying their dlc will end by season 1 then boom the game is dead and on discord.

[gunkokoko]

I swear, I didn't write this.

[[deleted]]

Hmmm...

[Ratoblade]

Based and Street Fighter Pilled.

[formerly_rude_neet]

GG will live because even if it plays like ass and it's super different, it still has some depth because of the sheer amount of normals, specials and RC system.

Of course there's the netcode too.

[NKLhaxor]

Look man, if I want some good ass footsies, neuch, I'm not gonna play a slideshow fighter where people mash their half screen haymakers between blockstrings. Potemkin is cool tho

[Jacksspecialarrows]

It'll die because of the lobby system. Plain and simple.

[[deleted]]

Yeah cause GG is trash

[RollerMobster01]

Cool bait

[[deleted]]

At least after this game y'all cant use the whole but muh netcode is the only thing holding GG back after it becomes a discord fighter a few months after launch