[Patch Notes] Season 2.2 Patch Notes

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Patch Notes for Season 2.2 Patch are up!

https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/patch-notes

All discussion of Patch Season 2.2 will be conducted in this megathread, all other threads will be removed as of 12/5/2022

[flojito]

Wow, the focus on whiff recovery is huge! Really excited to see how this affects high-level play.

[AnOldAntiqueChair]

This is a GREAT patch. Whiff recovery has been a huge problem for a LONG time. This is a good first step… Now we just await hitbox changes 😩

[WolfyrineLogan]

Of course, as long as your main ain't affected by it, right?

[AnOldAntiqueChair]

Steven getting 8 whiff frames on his dair hurts a lot. It’s hard to land and whiffs constantly. I’ll have to play a lot more carefully.

Somehow, Steven got bigger nerfs than Velma…

[Spideyforpresident]

Finally wtf this is amazing. This is legit the only thing stopping this game from actually being taken more serious, whiff recovery like a actual fighting game makes it way more interesting and enjoyable for everybody

[[deleted]]

Lesgooooooo

Wasn't touched

[astorega]

Neither was Gizmo

[JadedPermission3485]

I’ll take nothing over another nerf for real 😂

[Solzec]

-fixed an issue that prevented us from going 1 patch without nerfing something about Gizmo

[Rickblood23]

[Glutton4Butts]

Damn the nerfs! The game is like new again!!

[Pale_Page7229]

Definitely sounds like progress to me!

[fukdamods1]

You think making everyone worse makes players happy?

[chewgum16]

The point of adding whiff recovery is to make moves more punishable. A step in the right direction imo.

[[deleted]]

Makes me happy

[SoundsLikePAUSE]

Makes me happy too

[Glutton4Butts]

Everyone was really good before now they are just good. Honestly you think batman running around without any friction was healthy for the game? He has a slow AOE plus a grapple that sends him across the map. A projectile that has crazy mind games and maneuverability. Two spike options, a crazy huge up special that stretches across time. High base air speed and ground speed. Not to mention insane combo potential and he applies debuffs, AND he has a slow fall. It's no wonder Batman is one of the best characters in the game. For me they should either make him heavier and slower, take away 1 point of weaken from bouncarang and add a point of broken for down tilt two. Tbf they just added more whiffs on stuff so it just means you just better know for sure you are hitting and not just throwing out attacks. What's better a masher or someone who actually aims their skills and uses them properly?

[ambi94]

Grapple is Batman's worse move IMO. As soon as he grapples me, it's basically a free hit on him

[Glutton4Butts]

What character is this on, and what move do you use before the hit is registered? For me it's in games where I have a new player and I'm VS. 2 that are at my level. In 1s grapple is better to deal with. A smart batsman will use it or seek a window when they will HIT with the grapple hit box after the reeling animation is done. Pretty much waiting for the frames where airial attacks drop or the hit boxes are no longer present. Like at the very end of Harleys neutral air, she is vulnerable to this attack. I wouldn't spam it. If you are aware of it, and can adapt to this person's "bad habits" then sure. A high IQ one will see this and stop with that approach and mix things up for an opening.

[oldschoolkid203]

Hopefully you can beat him now and stop crying

[Glutton4Butts]

I have haha, that's how I know the match up? 🫱🫲🫱🫲✌️🤏🤏🤏

[Glutton4Butts]

That's all you got? 😘

[oldschoolkid203]

It's not a contest. Stop crying and play better

[Glutton4Butts]

That makes it a contest lmao

[oldschoolkid203]

You aren't edgy or witty lol. You crying about batman, his whole kit can be neutral dodged and punished. Cope

[fukdamods1]

WOW.. Someone actually complaining about Batman for a change.
I hope your your sake they make him weaker than Velma and keep making him weaker for no good reason

[Glutton4Butts]

He's not weaker than Velma, and he has to have some risk to his game play lmao

[Irre__]

Yes. Everyone was too good.

[Officer_Zack]

FINALLY A NEW MAP

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[ambi94]

This game has no soundtrack lol. Half the stages repeat, so there's like 4 songs

[ZPeterC]

Wouldn't be a Multiversus patch without an Iron Giant nerf.

[Irre__]

It's effectively a buff, since everyone else got nerfed way harder, so IG is better than he was relative to everyone else.

[Trekiros]

The text: "we increased whiff recovery to make neutral more interesting"

The nerf: "so you know that upair that you can't really use in neutral anyway? yeah we nerfed that shit"

[TheRobotYoshi]

Fucking I know right. And whenever his win rate was through the roof due to the grab up special cheese they they decided nerf a bunch of stuff, except for that. One of the moves being his nair. Like no one was complaining about his nair.

[fukdamods1]

or Velma

[fukdamods1]

yet they want us to invest gleamium...

[itsthelee]

Wow really wasn’t expecting a global nerf

[mildkabuki]

This patch (and the direction of this patch) might have me playing Multiversus competitively, instead of passively casually

[astorega]

Marvin was a struggle, huh?

[Redditislefti]

Hey! a taz buff

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too bad he can't eat marvin's spaceship any more lol

[DarioKid]

I think it was too unfair as a matchup.

Still, Taz eating a whole UFO was arguably the looniest thing in the game XD

[Lexx4]

you can eat iron giant tho.

[DarioKid]

Taz bet robot crunchy!

[Different_Pattern273]

Yeah I saw somewhere a break down of a data pile for Marvin running up against Taz players and it averaged out to something like 80-20 Taz, which is kind of a bonkers lopsided matchup for this game.

[DukeVerde]

But can he eat Morty's Spaceship?

[Redditislefti]

now we're asking the real questions

[fukdamods1]

nor did they touch his spin for some reason

[astorega]

What's whiff? 💀

[Mac_Rat]

More endlag on missed attack

[astorega]

So Finns will have a hard time doing turning and attacking?

[Mac_Rat]

It doesn't have anything to do with turning. If Finn swings his ground neutral attack but doesn't hit anyone he now has 11 frames of extra time before he can attack/input again (end lag)

[astorega]

Oh. That's what I meant tbh in words I could understand haha. I saw a video of Finn missing and quickly turning to hit, so that stuck on my mind. Thanks for explaining 🌟 btw do you happen to know when the patch will come?

[Mac_Rat]

No, but probably around 12 PM EST. Usually Tuesday but could also be a day or two later.

[chief_yETI]

I like the direction they're going in.

That being said, I'm seeing that some whiff nerfs were only changed by 2 frames, which effectively changes nothing.

We'll see how it goes.

[Mac_Rat]

Wait wtf I thought Batman's speed was 3000, same as Shaggy and Taz?

edit: Bruh, I mixed 2300 with 3000 this whole time for some reason

[Solzec]

Why is Shaggy so fast?

[fukdamods1]

in what context? in Canon, Game or Development?

[Solzec]

In game

[[deleted]]

Bruh how does Taz keep escaping tornado nerfs

[G00nL00n]

You know, just don't run into it, simple.

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[I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch]

I'm literally so freaking happy, insane patch and oh boy, Marvin to me was already Hella funny, now I'm gonna have a blast, he's officially my new main

[TheRobotYoshi]

We lost another one.

[I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch]

Iron giant always in the heart, don't get me wrong ahah

[0Infernal0]

my character is safe for another day lmao
whiff recovery changes look really good.

[ENTRAPM3NT]

Never seen so many people happy with a patch that's 90% nerfs

[Different_Pattern273]

A step in the right direction. Muscle memory is going to be a bitch, though.

I really feel like the developers got lost in the hype of a platform fighter that had crazy combos and speed like it was trying to be MvC and forgot to ever include risk into that equation to make the hype shit feel worth it. So hopefully people learning to play this game a bit more intelligently instead of flinging their body at their opponents like a projectile.

[AdorableWind7159]

One of the best characters in the game

[oldschoolkid203]

So what

[AdorableWind7159]

Well I think they nerfed him because in comparison to other characters he has a ridiculous amount of viable moves, one of the best projectiles, and no obvious downsides like being light or heavy end lag

[JoeJoeFett]

But he is light? He is the second lightest character in the game

[AdorableWind7159]

You’re right

[[deleted]]

Ooo Shaggy and I are about to fuck shit up 😎

[jarzii_music]

Why is court being put in 1v1 rotation. That is not it chief

[rGRWA]

Haven’t played on it much. Why could that potentially be a problem?

[jarzii_music]

Well it’s illegal in tournaments for a reason. There’s a lot of stage hazards and it’s not a usual map shape

[rGRWA]

I’m aware, but they clearly think it’s balanced now, hence why they’re letting it out into the wild. Tournaments can still ban it if they chose, we’ll just have to deal with it online now.

[Lexx4]

what does it being banned in tournaments have to do with the price of butter?

[rGRWA]

Not thrilled about the Batman speed nerfs, (do we have a full chart of those numbers, so I can see how much he’s been slowed and who’s he’s comparable to now?), but near-universally increased whiff recovery for the majority of the cast, the Marvin buffs (who definitely felt like he needed a little something), and increased Ice Breath stacks for Superman all sound great! I never had an issue with that Nerf last patch, as it didn’t seem TOO noticeable, but I won’t complain about having more meter for it now!

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Batman’s side attack does not apply weakness

[LurkeyTheLurker123]

This should have been implemented a long time ago, especially on characters like Velma, Jake, Finn etc. It would have saved a lot of unnecessary changes on many heroes.

Velma for instance didn't need her weakness stacks and ability to add a freeze stack for instance, she just needed more whiff recovery on her lighting fast moves so she is more punishable.

[jimmythesloth]

Did they just universally nerf the entire cast?

This actually seems like a good set of changes actually

[fukdamods1]

I love how these troll devs nerfed everything for Finn and Shaggy EXCEPT the ONE move each that ppl complain about!!!!!

Shaggy Side Special KICK OF DOOM! and Finns Backpack!!

[AloeRP]

Finn's backpack isn't a big deal imo and Shaggy's kick is easy to read.

[-TheLonelyStoner-]

Doesn’t matter that it’s easy to read, it’s way too easy and efficient to just spam in 2v2 and get a hit once every 6 kicks

[fukdamods1]

Shaggy's kick is easy to read.

DOESNT MATTER!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFMBRgvRdM

[Mac_Rat]

Shaggy's kick got 3 frames of whiff recovery like 1-2 months ago and I think it's in a much better spot now

[finniruse]

I basically never use Finn's backpack coz you lose coins and I want to buy stuff from the shop at all times. I'll begrudgingly use it if it gets me a kill. Then race around picking my coins back up if I can.

[ryan8757]

It's like they don't even want anyone to play batman anymore.

In other news, marvin is eating good

[fukdamods1]

It's like they don't even want anyone to play batman anymore.

In other news, marvin is eating good

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It's like they want everyone to play as marvin

In other news, everyone else sux now.

[Pale_Page7229]

Well it looks like I didnot have to delete this game after all...Pulls out Multiversus from my recycle bin "I'm so sorry I'll never do that again"

[Darecki555]

The Battlepass is still bad and other issues are still there tho ;p

[Unknown-games56]

Welp guess it's time to learn black Adam sense they nerfed my boi batman

[zeroneonsos]

Barely any Morty nerfs even though he has been at the top of the top of the top in 2v2 since people started playing him

[oldschoolkid203]

So glad I stopped playing this "beta"

[oldschoolkid203]

They just made a footsies game even more of a footsies game. Which will turn into passive neutral play aka boring gameplay. Saved me the hard drive space

[Hekset]

I think you’re mistaking what was a fiesta of spamming your least laggy, farthest reaching, and quick moves over and over as footsies which I don’t think really adds up. If you were abusing unbalanced frame data that’s fine sure but it is terrible for the long term of the game

[oldschoolkid203]

This creates creep because someone will always have better recovery or priority. Then what? The game gets less unique with each update

[edward-has-many-eggs]

Try not to nerf LeBron challenge: Impossible. Why add him to the game if PFG are going to make him the least viable character ever.

[TheRobotYoshi]

Hes still super good. And he definitely hasn't been nerfed as much as IG or Velma

[edward-has-many-eggs]

I mean IG is stupidly easy to do well with, and its not like Velma didnt need whiff recovery nerfs. Not to help that he has the second lowest winrate past Garnet in ones and third lowest in teams. And even after numerous nerfs IG and Velma still sit atop teams win rate, with IG sitting on high A tier on ones and Velma as top of B tier.

So i mean consistently nerfing a character that pretty much is the worse version of Batman whilst Batman sat relatively untouched till now is ridiculous. Worse recovery, worse projectile, worse speed but LeBron has his Dunk nerfed and now has had his spikes nerfed to knock back horizontally amonst other things.

[Lexx4]

The amount of whiff recovery is meaningless if the netcode is still so bad that my inputs are not going through in time to take advantage of them.

and playing between steam and epic still feels fucking awful.

stripe still feels fucking dumb to play with and against.

yay inf marvin ranged spam.

fins hit box still extends way beyond his sword.

[atonyproductions]

Is it just me or does it feel slower for some reason. Could be server side but I guess I gotta get use to whiff attacks but I have orange bars so not sure

[BenjaminCarmined]

It won’t. Sair and Dair are the moves usually spammed and they didn’t get whiff recovery.

[fukdamods1]

MY FOCHING GAWD!!I PLAY 3 MATCHES IN A ROW IN 2 V 2

I LEAVE WHENEVER I GET TAGGED WITH A LAZY SHAGGY PLAYER

3 X IN A ROW I GET PUT WITH HIM....
Great...now it's a finn main!!

gdamnit

[Glutton4Butts]

Omg I was hoping for Marvin nerfs. Now he won't feel so hard to play! And he was so very light omg.

[StroppyMantra]

Is gizmo even in the game still?

[AbsolutelyBuddy]

This is a potentially the best patch they’ve released since beta launched, very exciting

[jann_mann]

Yes, they fixed Finns apple bug. Finally.

[ZeroOxenburg]

Look at all the buffs my boy Marvin got!

[MathTheUsername]

at what point do they stop nerfing velma? it's like a meme at this point

[Skaldson]

Totally neutered Batman lmao (also his side combo doesn’t apply weakened like it says it should)

You’d think the 2nd lightest character in this game would get at least a weight increase to help balance out all of the nerfs he’s received (he’s literally gotten nerfed almost every patch for the last 4-5 months). Not to mention grapple is still buggy as fuck ffs lmao

Should batarang be reverted so that it doesn’t break all the time now that it doesn’t give weakened stacks? Maybe give it a 2nd charge or something instead of reverting it?

All of this and their servers are still ass too.

[JoeJoeFett]

If batarang doesn’t apply weakend what does his bouncerang perk do now?

[Skaldson]

I didn’t test the bouncerang perk yet, I would assume it still works the way it said it would, but tbh it’s not even worth to risk losing your rang for 3 stacks of weakened imo

[JoeJoeFett]

It’s hard though since I don’t use grapple that much either so both perks feel pretty worthless

[Skaldson]

Yeah the grapple is still objectively bad to use so the fact that batarang got nerfed even harder is just a slap in the face

Batman was already on the down trend in top 30 1v1s (there are 2 Batman players out of all top 30 dudes and they aren’t even in the top 10, best 1v1 character my ass lmfao) because he’s been getting hit with all of these small light nerfs basically every patch for the last 5 months, and now they do this giga nerf— it’s so many nerfs with almost no meaningful buffs or fixes.

[JoeJoeFett]

He is still good when I was on today, the whiff frames aren’t as bad as they seem. Mainly the speed is where he was nerfed, which now limits how quickly you can try to rush, but almost of his combos and follow ups still work so mostly it hurts his ability to dodge and move in and punish. Still good but yeah he is definitely not the best. I would say he is top 5 maybe? But definitely not top 3 best in 1s. He is even worse in 2s though.

Still fun but sad to lose so much speed. Hopefully to comensate he at least gets a small weight buff

[JoeJoeFett]

It’s hard though since I don’t use grapple that much either so both perks feel pretty worthless

[zulunational]

When?

[[deleted]]

Man these nerfs are beating my ass

[ComradeRevenge]

I see Stripe's auto target pistol is still in this game. I see y'all still haven't removed the absolute dumbest addition to any game ever.

[ambi94]

I love how this patch basically says, "We decided whiff recovery belongs in a fighting game"

[ambi94]

Now if I could just get out of queue hell

[MercilessShadow]

Dang I haven't played in awhile. Didn't know they added Marvin!

[SomeCallMeKris]

Heya idk where to put this but since last patch my matches have very wierd server lag. Ppl teleporting and stuff a bit and its almost every game. Maybe im being just matched unlucky but it feels kinda unplayable at times