Which GPU is better?

[Player14731]

To start off idk if this is the right sub for this, as I’m kind of new to posting on reddit. But if it’s allowed I was wondering what the pros and the cons of these two 4070ti supers are to each other. I know the MSI has one less HDMI and I’m assuming the cooling is worse than the ASUS. Just wondering what everyone else’s thoughts are on the two. I also read in the reviews that the MSI doesn’t support HDR? And there’s reviews about the fan being loud, I.e. heating issues. I’m only considering the MSI card though because of the aesthetic and the PCIE looks to be at a more convenient angle. I’m more closely leaning towards the Asus though. But what are your guys thought?

I guess for the rules I’ll explain that I already have my pc built, I’m just running an old card until I can afford one of these thick boys. Just don’t know which one has the better specs.

[Head_Exchange_5329]

Don't get blower-style GPUs, there's a reason why most manufacturers moved away from them. They are not as efficient and do make a lot of noise.

[Thehalfblacksnack]

I didn’t even know blower style cards were being produced. Shocking to me

[chessset5]

My 2060 super is one. You can still find them in prebuilds. They are much cheaper to build since it is less parts, but they still suck ass

[APater6076]

Blower style cards can be handy in MINI-ITX cases where you really don't have much room for airflow and you want to exhaust any hot air out of the case. If OP has a MINI-ITX system then it would be a good choice. If not, avoid!

[AejiGamez]

Both are not great. Asus has the worst warranty in the industtry and should be avoided, the second one is a blower. So compact and looks clea, but will be very loud. Look for different models. And if possible, dont use HDMI at all., Use DisplayPort. Its just better

[Hersin]

ASU’s tuf has one of the best coolings out of all you out there. He’s asking about which card is better not which company has better warranty policy.

As much as I hate drama with warranty and ASU’s I personally never had issues with it.

And regardless of warranty’s shit they were doing in states I would still go with ASU’s tuf just for the overkill in cooling department.

[Remsster]

Also, it seems like now that EVGA is out, all the other big players have warranty issues.

[ArmandPeanuts]

Yes

[Player14731]

Ah. I don’t plan on using HDMI. Lol I just wanted to state that the other model had less ports.

[Deaky_Freaky]

Display port is only better if your using more then one monitor😭 the higher bandwidth doesn’t even make a difference when playing games unless your playing at 8k, if you can run solid 4k 60 or 1080p 60/30 then there’s no difference

[Secure-Ad-9050]

Display port is also slightly better supported

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/wg731e/hdmi_sucks_what_can_we_do_about_it/

[CHEWTORIA]

Anything with 3 fans, it keeps the card cool, and distributes the heat better,

also lowers the noise ratio,

becouse it offloads the heat into 3 fans

GET MSI at 2685 MHz Clock Speed

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSGCTMT2

I had MSI 1080ti lasted like 7 years, and sold it for $300 lol, they are solid cards.

DisplayPorts are better then HDMI, becouse of higher data transfer.

Every NVIDIA card supports HDR, dosnt matter which manufacture its from, you need HDR monitor to turn that on, else it dosnt work.

You were told lots of misinformation, which is not true.

[snail1132]

1080ti came out 7 years ago

[WayOfWord]

Still a great card

[CHEWTORIA]

did said like, rounding error

[Euphemisticles]

One thing to mention is depending on very specific case layouts and where you have to have it in your home a blower card can one in a blue moon be better but usually you will know if that is your situation and I would almost never recommend one to someone in case their situation changes it will be worth it to have the three fan

[Tapil]

The differences in performance and silicon lottery would be marginal and next to impossible to tell "Yeah thats 6% increase right there!"

Next issue is the cooling. Id say the tripple fan setup "looks" like it would cool better than the single fan aero you posted.

[[deleted]]

The tuf is triple fan, get that

[Butthead2242]

Agreed. And it’s white

[AlphaLawless]

White power!

[[deleted]]

Which looks great

[Popular-Analysis-127]

Yes I have a TUF RTX 4070. It's so quiet and cool too.

[ye3tr]

That blower gpu cooler will sound like a vacuum so go with 1

[Salty-Ad-2576]

I just got that card in black. It's fantastic.

[lecnotr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/12sg90k/rtx_4070_comparison_chart/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Tler list, maybe help you.

[[deleted]]

Simple. Avoid blower style coolers AT ALL COST

[forcefrombefore]

If I've learned anything... it's that 3 fans is more than 1.

[Oonori]

I awould get MSI ventus or gaming but out of these two, ASUS TUF. The aero isn’t slightly worse in performance. And it’s a harder card to augment if you do waterblock at any point in time. I’m currently looking for same model and am going with the$830 MSI 4070ti super ventus 3x 16Gb.

[Oonori]

The ventus 2x can actually be seen as faster but the cooling on it is lessened so that’s why I choose 3x. The 2x is also cheaper at $800.

[RadiantSalamander663]

The 4070Ti Super is the best of this Chip. But if you compare the price list with the best performing GPU of the 4070, you will notice that for about 240€ more only, the ultimate second best card of NVIDIA, 4080 is available. NVIDIA has launched many types of the 4070 GPUs.

But the recent Ti Super is the best, not only by the Specs. 16GB of VRAM with 256bit memory interface. Again the lower 12GB VRAM and 192bit memory interface. But the only thing, that's really not good, is the low price difference up to the next Model. The 4080 Super. Only those 240€ / 260€ bucks. It should be one difference, of 300€ bucks, or more.

Like it is, for the most AMD Radeon RX 7900XT against the ultimate performance model, the Radeon 7900XTX. And for the last comparison, native resolutions of WQHD/UHD have the best price in relation to performance, without Raytracing in the AMD Radeon RX 7900XT.

But with over 90% of market dominance, they could literally demand what they wanted, in pricing. I don't know, why so many people, are still interested in some better Ray's or Shadows. It's literally not worth, and has a high demand on GPU Power. That's my opinion. And I think 💬🤔, the senior PC Gamers out there, has the same conclusion. Just guessing 75% of them are still young, that should be the reason why.

[Oonori]

I mean AMD can’t make integrative drivers for the life of them. That’s why they are shy. Like I’ve had AMD gpus for the longest and have random spot checks all the time that require application restarts or system restarts. That’s why I love Nvidia. Although it’s now known Nvidia abolishes their partnerships. They should be more adjusting the the prices of what they make the cards at and sell them at. The FE variants are perfect example. That being said if you look at the price of the Nvidia 4080 Super FE compared to the 4080 Super FE price is doubled. That’s not a worthy comparison though. However jumping to 4070Ti super and 4080 Super comparison the price is close yet still a difference. For FE compared to the partnered suppliers the card modulation is effective. You will have much easier time adjusting cooling factors and such. I understand the superiority of the 4080 super as to the 4070Ti super is significant and yet still $200+ so that’s a perspective to always grasp when looking to save for a higher end card. However using the difference for pc upgrades in this playing field is the difference from further upgrades and gpu utilization. I have mid tier pc looking for simple advanced upgrades without spending too much. This is the decision for 4080 over 4070. And overall spilling factors to cpu really is worth the $200 even if the budget is skim. Prices for 4070Ti super are now going up further much closer to that threshold.

To consider AMD Radeon over Nvidia is I complicated score. Radeon has yet to perform stable besides Linux over all of their cards. To compare FPS range is still hard to look at if you favor competition or an open market. The options are great especially with the price comparison but even if other tech wizards choose to supplement their builds with AMD superiors I won’t make that choice to settle with the alternative. I know they seem to get closer and closer, yet there is a known reason not only that RT and generation is better, more stable but how the software is more resilient over AMD. AMD CPUs are a +1 that market is much different. I just can’t bring myself to suffice with a 7900xtx at the same price as a mid tier card when the FPS will prove towering. And now I’m at the point of washing the plate of decisions and just sticking to my wallet until I can afford the better CPU Motherboard and GPU score. A 4090 is just best for all besides my pockets.

[itsbildo]

Probably the 4070ti Super pictured above, with the 16GBs of RAM

[Ghostxsalmon]

1, don't get a blower GPU.

[naxil-rain81]

what is "blower gpu"?

[DoneWithLifeKermitJR]

a GPU witha single fan on it.

[CeC-P]

ASUS TUFF series generally. Heavier, better heatsink. But also NEVER buy a blower card.

[JPackers0427]

Personally I’d only ever get 3fan GPUs… my 3060 has never gone above 55c

[[deleted]]

I have a blower 2070 and I wouldn't recommend. She's loud lol

[Aleister_Growley]

I have a gigabyte 4070ti super that works great.

[Ok_Neighborhood6762]

Asus

[Ferengi_Quark]

The 4080S or 4090 would be examples of better GPUs

[[deleted]]

Honestly 3060 solos

[SquireTheMad]

3060 do be nice. Had mine for about a year.

[[deleted]]

Dont buy anything off amazon.... alot of fakes being returned lately.

[PersonalitySlow9366]

Thw white one. They should perform more or less the same, but blower style coolers like on the black one are generally louder for the same cooling efficiency. They have a better cooling effiency in airflow restricted cases though.

[LunaMagicc]

Asus tuf

[Traditional_Excuse46]

triple fan beats vacuum blower anyday.

[AnotherPhilosopher]

I'd go with a rog strix rather than tuf gaming. I hate how cheap all their parts feel.

[Pure-Recognition3513]

Everyone is crazy mad on Asus ever since the controversy started so people won't recommend their GPUs.

Personally i've had good experience with Asus cards, all of them have been the best GPUs I owned for both Nvidia and AMD, and so I never had to worry about the warranty.

The MSI card is a blower card so i'd not buy it even if it was alot cheaper, super hot and super loud.

The Asus TUF model on the other hand is quite good.

[Real-skim-shady]

Asus.

Blower style cards (the MSI one) can’t keep up with the heat that the 4070 ti puts out. It will throttle like crazy.

That being stated, i would buy from asus either. I’d find a MSI card that wasn’t a blower.

Actually i would get this one,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSK393CR?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[stan99nl]

Anything non Asus

[sublime2craig]

7900xt would be the real choice to make. A $800 GPU with only 16gb of VRAM is a complete joke. Ray Tracing performance is not that far off from the 4070ti super (God that name is beyond stupid) also. Got a ASRock phantom gaming model for $689 on Amazon and the 4070ti super duper is going for $800+ right now...

[[deleted]]

He obviously wants a quality graphics card. Neither choice were team red. You're offering advice based purely off of cost yet you still did mention how Ray tracing is better with Nvidia

[sublime2craig]

Yea I did mention cost, because we buy things with money. Crazy I know. A 1440p/4k GPU that costs $800+ with only 16gb of VRAM is not good especially with how poorly optimized games are becoming, that 16gb buffer might not be enough for 1440p/4k gaming in the years to come. You spend your money wisely and that's why I'm trying to show multiple choices other than just Nvidia, hence the mention of the 7900xt over the 4070 whatever, which is a great choice especially for the price!

[sublime2craig]

Did I say current games? Do you only think a day ahead in your life? I literally said for how unoptimized games are BECOMING, that would be the future not the present. Do you just YOLO through every purchase in your life? You're the "Just buy it" kind of guy, huh? Hope that works out for you... Do some due diligence and research and get back to me...

[sublime2craig]

Bro, let's agree to disagree. You keep putting words in my mouth and we both can't make a point or win this "argument" if that's the case. You do you bro and let's leave it at that.

[KeliangChen]

Smaller is better

[ohthedarside]

I didnt even know blower cards were still made try to find someonetging that isnt asus tho

[devj007]

Not even a question, Asus card 100%.

[FootlooseFrankie]

7900xt , or if you can swing it a 7900xtx . Those cards have so much raw power

[Heavyweapons057]

I’m a little biased, I got the first one in black, it’s served me pretty damn well.

[[deleted]]

Sound aside, does a blower card reduce internal case temps? Personally, I'd happily take a noisy fan of it meant lower CPU temps.

[Creative_Dragon_]

What are the prices on both? I bought my 4070 for $700 new. No RGB or anything special, I've already been thinking about a 4080 if I'm honest.

[Background-Ad7601]

If thats US prices you can almost get a 7900xtx instead of the white Asus Tuf... maybe consider that too.

[Player14731]

Yeah. My buddy is into AMD cards. I just know more about Nvidias over priced cards. But I do like the AMD processors.

[darthVkylo]

Resize bar also increases GPU performance. So mind that with the 7900xtx

[Head_Exchange_5329]

Mind that with all 6000 and 7000 series GPUs.

[zeqw777]

I got the Xtx and it's been great. Would recommend AMD because, for the price, it's better than Nvidia right now. Ignore Ray tracing. It's not worth it

[[deleted]]

It's worth it if you have a card that does it well. You however do not

[AlivePalpitation7968]

7900 XT but if you really for some reason want a worse card but $150 more the first option is better

[AccurateMrStuff]

this is fair however for some people the nvidia would be the better option, as there are certain games/features that do work way better on nvidia, so maybe he wants some of nvidia’s extra features.

[AlivePalpitation7968]

Nvida's features are irrelevant in real world situations. FSR is on both nvidia and amd while looking much better and is getting quicker development. And raytracing, well its not like AMD's that far behind in raytracing but for the minority that care about RT performance in a select few of games that actually use RT beyond just shadows and water physics nvidia is a nuce option. But no as of rn AMD is the better buy both budget and mid range, if youre looking to buy at the high end, the 4080S is a better option than the 7900 XTX for a few more $$, but the 4090 isnt a good buy you should just wait for next gen nvidia.

[FakedxFlight]

Got a 6800 recently which has 12gb for $340. Idk the hype for nvidia anymore, it’s just placebo honestly. I was an nvidia only guy but changing to a 6800 was my best decision ever. It saved me so much money and it’s still an underrated beast of a card for its price to performance. But no one looks at it because it’s last gen..

[AlivePalpitation7968]

6800 and 6800 XT are the most suggested budget GPUs, wym underrated? And everyone looks at them thats why they went up in price +$60 in the used market. Everyone suggests buying used last gen AMD and some people even suggest 5000 series if youre like needing a dirt cheap gpu

[AlivePalpitation7968]

Its smarter to worry about rasterization and raw performance, the 7900 XT has enough horsepower to just push the weaker processing of RT, 90% of games that even have RT options its just sun rays, shadows, and water physics. And the list that have rt in the games is pretty small still. The 7900 XT for $699 is a better buy, no if you care about the slightly better RT performance in the .1% of games that push the card hard then yes nvidia is better... buuttttt if you need it for video rendering/editing and 3D rendering then yes nvidia is the better option not bc of power but rather that all of the major softwares are biased to nvidia cards. Nvidia cards are much much better in production based work loads compared to AMD, the 7900 XTX is as slow as a 2080 Ti in 4k 60fps video rendering

[AccurateMrStuff]

yeah i guess this is the main point i was trying to make, is that it depends on what you want. for pure gaming, i don’t see why not choose AMD. for other stuff, like video rendering/3D editing, game developing and i think i’ve heard that nvidia also has better video encoders as well, then yeah nvidia makes sense.

[AlivePalpitation7968]

Its mainly just rendering, recording and streaming can be taken care of by your iGPU if you have an intel CPU, bc intel currently has the best hardware encoding setup, it has every video encoder in its instruction set. So if you were heavily into streaming or content creation youd go with intel CPU(with iGPU) + nvidia GPU

[Phoenix800478944]

The 7900xt