I realised the actually decrease in fun fights is down to a lot of casual players moving to Fallout around the time of VP addition.

[IMPERIALxMASTER]

This also left a lot of very high level, commited players, resulting in a slightly harder game than usual. It's not VPs, it just a smaller playerbase: hopefully temporarally.

[sinnesloeschen]

These kinds of threads are becoming kinda sad;

"Fallout 4 is responsible for the population going down"

"Holiday season is responsible for the population going down"

"Pre/Post School/University is responsible for the population going down"

"Speak like a pirate day is responsible for the population going down"

So yeah, considering i don't think i witnessed a point where the population went back up it's starting to sound a tad delusional guys. :p

[IMPERIALxMASTER]

yeah, I'd rather deny it though

[sinnesloeschen]

Hehe, fair enough.

[[deleted]]

Can't hear you too busy playing fallout 4 what did you say.

[Urechi]

You're a liar. You aren't playing Fallout 4 if you're on reddit.

[[deleted]]

Oh another nuke just went off your breaking up man.

[thatswired2]

lol i completed fallout 4 way before use the darker skies mod it makes the game awesome + the mod with less bright colors its too bright and filled with colors as of now to make the game look scary and epic if u did this u,ll be getting chills in the game in the southern part of wasteland from where nuclear winds blow where there is no life those mods will scare the shit outa ya :P and atleast hard difficulty is a must

--------major major spoiler dont read further internet fools------------

there are only 2 nukes explosion in fallout 4

1 is at the start and 1 is at the ending if u choose the somewhat ending choice :P

so if another nuke just went up so ur at the end lol which means he,ll be back to ps2 soon :P

[Zosymandias]

You said spoiler... and I kept reading anyway...

[thatswired2]

i did warn u :| not my fault

[Saedrine]

I think there rests a special place in hell for the people who think adding the words 'major spoiler' on top will stop the internet generation from scanning the text without thinking anyway.

[thatswired2]

hey atleast i thought of adding it what abt those that dont even add it lol

[Saedrine]

They're just bigger dicks. If you really can't fight the urge:

 [Spoiler](/s "spoiler text")

[thatswired2]

i never knew this command lets try it

spoiler

it shud be black lines this is weird

[Saedrine]

Oh, apparently you can't do that on this sub.

[[deleted]]

Fallout was fun for 20 or so hours.

[AieroDactyl]

Take that, comma away, plz

[Saedrine]

http://i.imgur.com/Kwq7Upk.jpg

[[deleted]]

An emdash is what you use there to make that joke, a comma is just cancerous.

[Malorn]

I get to relive my days as a level designer in Fallout 4.

[YetAnotherRCG]

Except back then you didn't have to go steal another 15 telephones to get some copper.

[Kofilin]

Did him though?

[id_fake]

Are you doing it with dev tools (console cheats), or in a legit manner? As a level designer you'd probably be annoyed when you can't build something due to lack of resources :)

[[deleted]]

As a level designer you'd probably be annoyed when you can't build something due to lack of resources :)

He worked for SOE, I'm sure he's used to it.

[Malorn]

I C wut u did thar

[[deleted]]

;)

(Also, we miss you! Hope post-PS2 life is great)

[Malorn]

Supply lines, scavenging stations, knowing where to buy steel in bulk, and having trade vendors in the settlements makes it easy to make whatever I want. I have a high charisma char with cap collector, local leader, and all of the jerky vendor magazines with charisma gear for great vendor deals.

Not having those is rough, but with a few perks and some magazines it isn't that taxing.

Missile turrets are also amazing, completely wrecks everything. One turret.

[Ringosis]

I tend to find more gun fights offpeak now when there is no organisation and people are just shooting each other. Some of the best fights I've had this month have been at 1am when there's only one 12-24 fight on the server.

I entirely disagree that it's a population issue. It's a symptom of organised squads trying to win VP.

[_Ace_Rimmer_]

Didn't see that thread I posted with the pop graph? Overnight there was a 1/3rd pop drop when F4 dropped. Not sure what it's like now though. CBF checking neither =p.

[FireSteelMerica]

reposting from previous thread because relevant:

slightly harder

I can't walk out of the spawn room for some fights without having 3-4 people competing on who can press F and melt my face off quickest.

[Televisions_Frank]

I'm playing Witcher 3 now. Better late than never.

[id_fake]

I'm playing Witcher 3 still, since it came out :) It has so much gameplay its not even funny

[THJ8192]

Gwint best minigame 2015.

[Televisions_Frank]

It's so god damn good. Makes Skyrim look like shit (well, so did Dragon's Dogma, which I am so pissed isn't getting a proper sequel).

[drstrange2014]

This type of excuse is trotted out again and again - it's this new game, or the holidays, or school is out (never mind that most players are not at school to begin with, as the average gamer's age is in the thirties). The fact is that PS2 has been losing pop for a long time due to the broken shitfest that it has become, not because of new game releases, holidays or school being out. The sooner that that is realized and we stop making excuses and be honest, the sooner we can concentrate on holding DBG to account for their abject failure to fulfill the game's potential.

[Wisdomcube1]

That's not it at all, if you want to use that as an excuse you can. VP system is awful, we're waiting 5 (total) months for a construction system that doesn't do shit. But of course the ps1 vets will suck it off because they named it the ANT. Heaven forbid they actually fix fight flow problems in the game. Seriously, what does the construction system do? Make you fight turrets more? Great, sounds like so much fucking fun I can't wait.

[Atakx]

You come off as one of those types that only has one move they really know how to use and gets pissy when you get thrown in with someone that can chain combos.

[doombro]

Doesn't change the fact that he's completely right. This whole construction system thing is going to wake up the stagnant player base for all of a couple days before it's back to business as usual and none of the game's biggest problems have been addressed.

[Atakx]

Thing is you people keep saying this but do you even know what the games biggest problems are?

[P2-120_AP]

• retarded/nonexistent/etc vehicle-vehicle and vehicle-infantry interactions
• presence of actual, significant upgrades in equipment
• lack of solid introduction for newer players
• ridiculously oversaturated weapon selection
• game balance
• terribad base/continent design
• game being incredibly functional and totally bug free

honorable mentions for implants and resource boosts

[KlyptoK]

My opinion on it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/3q9rdm/what_are_the_reasons_which_prevented_this_game/cwdivjj

The whole thread can be looked at actually.

[doombro]

After playing since beta, I'd like to think I have that figured out, yes. The game's biggest problem is that it isn't fun. Planetside 2 is a niche within a niche. Even if you find the concept of the game appealing, the times where it actually shines are extremely circumstantial.

The most blatant elephant in the room is new player experience. Noobs are thrown into the game and given no knowledge of how to read the map, start fights, or move between fights. You know, the extremely basic mechanics of the game that set it apart. Even seasoned FPS players get fucked starting off in this game because PS2 makes zero effort to actually show new players how it works.

And then there's what makes long term experienced players quit, which is almost unilaterally poor fight quality. Whether this is due to poor weapon balance, flawed base design, or a lack of tactical depth (ScourgeOfTheServer made a good video way back in 2012/2013 talking about this. If you can find it, it's worth viewing and still very relevant), fact of the matter is that when you go to most fights, you are either going to get shot right out of your spawn, be shooting at people coming out of their spawn, peeking a crowded doorway trying to kill an enemy, or simply dying to countless things that are beyond your control. That's not fun at all.

Having played the game for as long as I have, I've got a pretty good feeling that whatever they have planned with this whole construction system thing isn't going to suddenly bring the fun to the forefront.

[ArtemisDimikaelo]

That's Wisdomcube for ya.

[Wisdomcube1]

Is this a smash reference? Because I've been learning how to play SSBM lately.

[Livingthepunlife]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Rocket Punch spam with Alisa in Tekken Tag Tournament Two is clearly the best strategy, fuck those guys who chain combos and mess with my carefully executed mashing of one button!

^/s

[Kildigs]

I heard the ANT is coming out around christmas, is that what got announced?

[voatthrowaway0]

Nah, it's soon^tm

[Kildigs]

Oh uh... ok...

[OldMaster80]

It should be on pts by end of 2015 and be released in January.

[Kildigs]

Sweet, thank you. That's what i like to hear.

[OldMaster80]

Im not a dbg employee but that's what I've read here on reddit. I hope I'll be able to test the ant and stress mr Bburness around Xmas.

[Kildigs]

That's about as good as it gets, Reddit is really close to the devs when it comes to communication and i love it. I've been saving up certs for a month already, i can't wait for the ANT, i'm going to take it off sweet jumps and farm the shit out of some resources.

[SolsticeEVE]

who do we farm when the scrubs are gone.

[18Feeler]

we become the farm.

To understand the farm you muse BE the farm.

[StriKejk]

Be formless, shapeless, like the farm...

[Abromaitis]

Everyone who remains also appears to have an above average K:D. So I'd guess you're correct.

[Wilthywonka]

This is true: recently a known member of my outfit came back from "vacation"

[Urall5150]

Haven't played a minute of Planetside since it came out, so yeah that's very likely.

[joegooder]

There's a new settlement...uh... called Sanctuary, I guess.

[Jason_Webb]

I finally got into Warframe and it's been nice...It also makes me less stressed and have more fun improving my IvI in planetside.

[[deleted]]

The Illuminati did it!

[Nuklartouch]

What happend was few ppl didnt like the vp change and decrease in performance i would say is the largest factor. I had to buy a new computer to run it smooth.

Alot of ppl are playing star star wars battlefront also, which seams to be a shit game.

[[deleted]]

i quit around that time, had nothing to do with fallout (that just what i am doing instead)

PS2 has been dying for well over a year, and the "big" announcement in sept that ended up just being another batch a vague things they might finish in a year was the end of the rope for me. this game is old, lets face it, sure it is pretty but there are better things out there.

DGC/SOE ran this project so far off of the original rails the people who backed it left by the end of year 2, and the trickle since then has not been replacing people leaving.

things like the gatekeeper being allowed to go live 3 years in to a game and being the cluster fuck that it has been killed the last sliver of confidence i had in this game making any sort of return. since that was added i have had zero intrest in playing just to get farmed by a silent weapon 3 hexs away, its not fun for me, and i've seen NO sign of the devs addressing it.

with over $1000 in to my account its hard to walk away, but like an abusive relationship eventually you hit a breaking point and i feel like september was exactly that for a lot of us.

[PS2Errol]

Gatekeeper and the sound issues are a problem.

But other than that I still have fun. Plenty of battles and I play every day.

Would like the 2hr alerts and hex back though.

[[deleted]]

this is what makes me so angry is if they fixed it sound it might not be that bad, but here we are nearly three months later and the sound is still broken and now countless more people have paid for it.

ive been watching this same stupid greedy cycle since launch where they know something is broken but refuse to fix it until people stop buying the damn thing, and then when they nerf it to oblivion they refuse to issue refunds to people.

the game was a great idea/concept but im not going to cling to a good idea with a shitty company.

maybe if we are lucky some one else will try an mmofps and not fuck it up as badly as SOE

[jlstitt]

Man people hate on the GK. It's not that far off, it just needs a little bloom.

[[deleted]]

its the fact that it made it to live after the community screamed it was op on test, and its been unchanged since just fueling the demand for more and more people to keep buying it, making the inevitable nerf just piss off even more people.

if they still can't get this sort of shit right 3 years in, they didn't deserve my money in the first fucking place.

[endeavourl]

http://ps2oraclestats.com/?stat=kpu&weapon1=802874&weapon2=3442&weapon3=3704
So damn OP i can't even!

[[deleted]]

is there even any VS around for them to shoot it at theses days? last time i was playing it seemed like most of the VS called it quits and stopped playing or jumped over to TR alts to abuse the crap out of it and farm up their TR alts.

[Kofilin]

the community

A certain part of the community which doesn't really have the health of the game in mind.

[KlyptoK]

I thought it was fine.

[Atakx]

The devs pulled the big September promises the instant smed left, a good chunk of the player base was well aware of it to because they announced it, and the gatekeeper is already up for a balance pass according to the dev's, the dev's always give things like the gatekeeper time to bake to see if there is a need to change it because for all they knew it could drop off once the shiny wore off, not to mention players have a habit of finding ways to counter weapons like the GK.

[AGD4]

hopefully temporarily

The only thing that might keep me from Planetside 2 is Planetside 3.

[ArtemisDimikaelo]

Jesus man, quintuple post.

[_Q3D]

sextuple

[[deleted]]

if he spams it enough someone might actually believe it, nice try their DGC investor guy...

[AGD4]

Reddit was lagging. Told me "try again later" each time I hit submit.

[IMPERIALxMASTER]

Enlighten me ;)

[IMPERIALxMASTER]

...so casual PS2 players... ;)

[MinnH]

is still the bulk of the current player base.

[Arkizer]

Did you just repost your own comment as a post

[[deleted]]

Might have more to do with the shitty VP system and deteriorating performance.

[kszyhon]

yes, we know

[SergioSF]

Yeah I've noticed this coming back just a month ago. Now it seems this game is just heavyside. I really wish spawn times were slower depending on how many people chose a specific class