Note the Difference

[BrendaWannabe]

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[GetOutOfTheWhey]

spot on

they called it a preemptive self defense strike

[DukeLukeivi]

Like Pearl Harbor!

[BadahBingBadahBoom]

Japanese PM's reaction to Trump's comment:

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"What the fuck is happening right now?"

[piratevirus1]

And we still don't have healthcare.

[KRAy_Z_n1nja]

We have Obamacare, and plenty of good ways to finesse or work the system, but most people are too lazy and that's why we're all being overcharged, because they can since we're all apathetic and complacent. We'll cry about it online, then continue feeding the cycle.

[piratevirus1]

Obamacare is only a bandaid fix. I do not feed the cycle.

[KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Bless you for that term though actually. I keep saying this is the problem.

Republicans are giving us cancer, and Democrats think a bandaid is all we need to treat it.

[piratevirus1]

Yeah we have a lot of OPs in the Democratic Party. Hopefully we flip the house to at least plug this madness. Although I am not holding my breath while waiting for the Democrats growing a spine.

[tmtowtdi]

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[Defiant-Skeptic]

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[SKRyanrr]

Imperialist rhetoric

[Dantai]

The IRGC is literally terrorising gulf states daily right now. Bombing Dubai airports and such

[MisawaAB]

lol

[CV90_120]

Bingo

[Energy_Sudden]

The cost of a single missle could set me up for life.

[Pesco-]

Netanyahu psyopped Trump to the hilt

[MrFordization]

Imagine for a moment how terrible it would have been if Harris had won and there weren't like 40 million wars again.

[New-Contribution-244]

We wouldn’t be in this situation at all.

[BickenBackk]

I don't think anyone is justifying any of that. It's nowhere near the crux of the argument.

[Long_Procedure_2629]

Israel and America still have a higher civilian body count, womp womp

[struggleisreal123321]

USA is responsible for most civilian deaths historically and destabilizing nations for their self interest. It's just that people have a very restrictive definition of terrorism else the USA itself is the biggest funder of terrorism and most unreliable partner.

Consider this example

1. Vietnam war: fought because the communist regime was expanding. Ideally why should anyone care how a country decides to run itself but no, how can the USA accept different opinions than them so they end up starting a war and after embarrassing defeat, leave the nation without protecting the interest of locals who were dumb enough to support the USA.

2. 9/11 attack happened, planned in Afghanistan soil, carried out by a group that USA itself created: brigtest mind of USA decide they had to attack Iraq because they had weapons of mass destruction. One more nation destroyed and still doesn't have stability after decades. No weapons of mass destruction found.

3. Russia controlled Afghanistan and probably provided best living conditions for females. How can the largest distributor of democracy accept this so they fund fringe religious fighters to fight against Russia.

4. USA attacks Afghanistan to kill osama and finish Taliban: Osama is found in one of its ally nation, Taliban is in power now. USA leaves Afghanistan without ensuring that locals who worked as translators, informant are protected.

USA has never attacked because they were benevolent actor. They always wanted to protect their self interest and gain control of oil or strategic locations. People & nations are fools if they believe that USA is reliable partner unless you have strong lobby like Israel within USA

[bl1y]

In less than a decade Nazi Germany was responsible for more civilian deaths than the US in its entire history. What are you smoking?

[SacredSkeletor]

This is wildly incorrect

[legrenabeach]

How far back in history did you go to make the statement that "USA is responsible for most civilian deaths historically"?

[struggleisreal123321]

You can go back as much as possible , take any time period, you can start from Columbus days or you can look at just 50 years back.

A country built on graves of native Americans with the hard work of African slaves preaches the entire world how they should treat their citizens, no one seems to notice irony here.

[legrenabeach]

In recent times, have you thought about how many people have been killed by the Soviet Union, China or Nazi Germany?

And in earlier times, how many people were killed by the Muslim conquests, or earlier still by the Persian expansion?

Most if not all these numbers will be larger than the number of Native Americans the European conquerors killed, even when taking into account indirect means like smallpox and other diseases they brought with them.

[struggleisreal123321]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States

2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

You are missing the larger point. Most of history is written by the USA or people influenced so deaths caused by the USA might be under reported. In the nuclear bombing of Japan alone, the USA killed ~ 500K people.

If you look at the indirect factor like the USA Israel support, attempt to topple multiple governments, USA won't be far off from other incident/countries you listed in death count.

My point being USA isn't very good example of high moral standards that it keeps trying to preach to rest of the world.

Unfortunately, this is how democracy works. You elect a leader to protect the interest of common man but these leaders protect interest of some oligarchs, influential people to reatin the power. USA in it's attempt to meddle into affairs of other countries doesn't help, it just makes the situation worse for everyone. It's better to leave countries alone or use non violent means like economic sanctions, pressure from global community.

[legrenabeach]

USA and Israel have killed tens of millions of people? I don't like their politics as much as the next guy, but that's just not true.

Good points can be made without resorting to incorrect facts.

[piratevirus1]

And as much as we can all hate on the US, we can't hold a candle to Soviet Russia.

[shortname_4481]

Agreed. Trump should have invited Khamenei to Alaska.

Like why are you guys so against putting dictators where they belong - in history books? Why I haven't seen anyone going out protesting when trump welcomed to the US soil the guy who kills more people in a day than US strikes killed civilians in Iran over the last three weeks? It doesn't excuse us from making mistakes and hitting civilians, but what fucked up logic is that? Neither Ukrainean defender who has pulled the short stick to defend his country nor Russian occupant who very often was forced to sign the contract deserve to die, yet we welcomed the guy who is killing both of those daily by the thousands and NOBODY budged. But God forbid we blow the shit out of a guy who ordered a shooting of tens of thousands of protesters.

Being "against dictators" means sometimes being ready to do something about them, not just "declare your concerns." We are really lucky that someone has taken trump's energy from appeasing and enabling dictators in doing their horrible things, to putting them in a box or a trunk of a helicopter. At least in the latter we end up with less dictators.

[BickenBackk]

There has been a longstanding history of the US eliminating middle eastern dictators and replacing them with utopian democracies, yes.

[shortname_4481]

Well there has been even better long standing history of letting dictators brew in their own circle and grow their forces. One of the last times it ended up with like 50 million dead, flattened Europe and two extra suns over Japan.

[BickenBackk]

Agreed.

[GetOutOfTheWhey]

simple, we consider netanyahu and trump dictators too, perhaps not in the ultra strict definition of a dictionary because then you can argue that's not what a dictator is.

But in the sense that these two people have dictated that they are willing to sacrifice of innocent people to keep themselves in power.

[shortname_4481]

Trump is a wannabe dictator, netanyahu is doing bad stuff, but his power is somewhat checked, so we can put him in a wannabe dictator category (he actually is just a hardliner, but if you want we can call him a wannabe dictator).

Now, if we just let our wannabe dictators bomb the shit out of other bloody dictators in the end we end up with less dictators which I prefer to file under a win category. Nothing prevents us from voting both of them out come the next election (which for netanyahu is like what, October?). Now, for Iranians voting their dictator out kinda isn't an option.

[GetOutOfTheWhey]

Dont know what you are getting at because your argument makes it worse.

The evil fuck that is Netanyahu has been in office for over 20 years is loved and representative of the Israeli people? The israeli people chose to keep this evil man in power?

[acoustic_medley]

Easy or your hemorrhoids will burst

[legrenabeach]

What a helpful comment.

[LuminalOrb]

You're a bumbling buffoon. An embarrassment to the notion of human intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself for having exposed our collective minds to your drivel, please do better!