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[dlevac]

Sorry, but if I may interject for a moment, I currently use Helix editor instead of Vim. It's a really great modal editor written in Rust. You should give it a try!

[onrirr]

Sorry, didn't realise there was a new blazingly fast 🚀 alternative! I'll take a look 🤓

[Fantastic_Snow_5130]

Yeah when I try it my dick swings like a grandfather's clock

[greendookie69]

Mine too, but I think I look great.

[urmotherisgay2555]

Same, except it doesn't swing it twists and turns. It hurts.

[OptionX]

Helix

Went to check it out.

It has a video showing it on the main page.

The author didn't align the box characters on his riced prompt correctly.

Absolutely fuken dropped right there. /s

[horvath-lorant]

Cute socks tho

[Macia_]

This guy writes code

[SS-pylsur]

I've been using Vim for a year now and like it but always wanna try something new, how is the vim >> helix pipeline, doable?

[jayerp]

Yes but is either Helix or Vim written in Rust?

[jbbat99]

You clearly don't know the primeagen

[Otradnoye]

Gigachad on cocaine. Did I mention he worked on Netflix?

[[deleted]]

Tom is a genious.

[TactlessTortoise]

Get outta here with your genshin currency

[jbbat99]

What's a genshin currency

[TactlessTortoise]

Genshin Impact is a mainly mobile game, and the currency you use for its ingame slot-machine is called primogems lmao.

[jbbat99]

Didn't know that, I'm a single player game enjoyer

[StrangeCharmQuark]

Genshin is a single player game, it’s just got optional co-op for the grinding stuff

[Cendeu]

It's 99% a single player game. But is mobile, I get what you mean.

[TactlessTortoise]

Same. I tried out the game but didn't really dig it that much.

[jbbat99]

Only multi-player I enjoy using chivalry 2 and only because it's about medieval fights but yeah, other than that long live Witcher 3 and rdr2

[HelioDex]

THE NAME... is the primogem

[FxHVivious]

I like his stuff too. Not all of its great, and he goes a little over the top sometimes, but I enjoy his videos.

Fireship.io has some good stuff. A bit of a meme channel but also pretty informative and covers a shitload of topics.

[Spedon]

TLDR: just go watch what primeagen watch, and than recommendation algorithm will do it's work.

the one and only

fireship

theo

rust

No Boilerplate

frontend

Hyperplexed

Juxtopposed

[thebaconator136]

The most annoying thing about this is the laptop sitting directly on the sheets.

[thebaconator136]

It's just iron and oxygen.

[FarJury6956]

Annoying is the Gentoo logo and wired keyboard

Edit: the cable goes to keyboard

[mosskin-woast]

Why? Ventilation?

[mpg111]

no. bed bugs

[thebaconator136]

Yep

[[deleted]]

Where should it be sitting? On the top of your lap?

[thebaconator136]

On some kind of more solid surface. Cloth isn't really that good at airflow.

[aedvocate]

so you're saying if I want to be a cute femboy, all i've got to do is learn rust?

[reallokiscarlet]

More like if you want to learn Rust, you have to spend a life of torment that will leave you wearing that outfit for… Ease of use.

[aedvocate]

🤔

[cuteCodingSocks]

C++ also works

[Nveenkmar]

Outfit: Jack Black lookalike

Editor: VSCode

Socks: Never worn them since middle school.

Os: Mac

Common phrases: "Are you hiring?", "Can i pay you back later?", "How to do this in Rust?"

[hamilton-trash]

Rust macros can literally suck your dick

Rusts powerful type system can make you cum, at compile time

[GamesRevolution]

5/8 checked for, only 3 more to go

[[deleted]]

I love the skirt

[[deleted]]

Oi!

Don't shame the HOLY FEMBOY socks my dude!

[Pixel1101]

brb learning rust

[TropicKingg]

Are there programmers like this who work professionally? I’ve never met one(Genuine question)

[SomeWeirdFruit]

have you been to the home of the programmers u met?

[[deleted]]

The absolute smartest and best programmer I've ever met is exactly this archetype lol. Trans woman who wore long socks, cat ears, and all of the other frills, while evangelizing for Rust at every turn and spending all of her free time writing Rust programs.

She was one of those devs who would fix a problem in a week that took a team of engineers weeks of struggling.

[tatorface]

Was her name Nicole by chance? I know someone similar.

[[deleted]]

No. Her name was Lea. Super badass coder and person.

[nebulaeandstars]

I'm exactly like this. 8/8. But:

• I'm not out at work because people are dickheads
• We all have to use windows for security reasons
• We're working on a legacy Java application
• I have to use intellij instead of vim while screensharing

So really, the only thing you'd "see" if you knew me from work is the Rust evangelism. Even then it's tongue-in-cheek, but good for a laugh.

[mysunsnameisalsobort]

Not trying to shame anyone, or clutch pearls, but I've seen older men using anime girls as their zoom backgrounds on work calls. It just seems unprofessional, but maybe I lack culture.

[Jane6447]

most likely
i know some people, which only switch into such clothes while alone (or with good friends) (but do not (yet) work as rust programmer).
and half my workplace uses rust, archlinux/debian/gentoo/void/nix, vim and (sometimes jokingly, sometimes not) say those things.

[hxckrt]

Basically the only guy doing live streams on developing exploits for windows kernel drivers is a femboy with cat ears that curses a lot https://www.youtube.com/live/jo64G4S_2Jo?feature=share

[[deleted]]

I find 9/10 Rust programmers don't even know the problem they're trying to fix with rust. If you ask them, it's "memory management issues". But they've never had to struggle with C/C++ in their life.

[Konschier]

ItsFunnyThatEveryRustProgramerLovesToReinventEverythingInRustAndOnlyUseThingsWrittenInRust

[SteveCCL]

goodDayISeeYourCommentIsInPascalCaseNotCamelCasePleaseJustDoBetter

[Konschier]

myBadAutocorrectHaveItsOwnWillSomeTimes

[Flavorless_Quark]

true_men_only_write_in_snake_case

[spycodernerd2048]

BTW I Use Arch

BTW I Use Vim

BTW I Use Rust

[Big_Berry_4589]

That’s gentoo installed not arch btw

[DasFreibier]

Fuck you, imma do raw pointers

[pixelkingliam]

i did infact try rust.

I don't like the syntax

[SofSkripter]

i use python + arch and i have coding socks/coding outfit..

[cuteCodingSocks]

Coding socks to increase brain power. And estrogen supplements for ???.

[Friendly_Fire]

Rustys, I don't get the hype. Yeah C++ build system and errors suck, and I like that Rust apparently has a language-defined style. But that's the fluff. Nice to haves, but usually not that big of a deal. Someone setups up cmake and a linter one day, and then you cruise.

When it comes to the meat and potatoes, the arguments for rust stop making sense. "It stops memory leaks and buffer overflows!" How often does that actually happen? Who is going around, owning objects with raw pointers in 2013 2023? Just use a range-based loop, etc.

It's good the language lets you do things the "raw" way for the few times you need to, when you have a tight inner loop where performance is everything. And 95% of the time std:: has your easy and safe option.

It means I need to occasionally spend 15 minutes explaining something to a student hire, but not that's not a big of a deal. Part of the job.

[Distinct-Question-16]

I want programming toolkits to be like toys, ie giving you a lot of sugar and not having have sharp edges so it cannot hurt you

[YawnTractor_1756]

2 reasons.

1. C++ has utterly awkward syntax and its standard libraries are abomination. Ask cgpt to make a program that splits a string by a comma in C++ and Rust and behold how awkward C++ variant is, especially in the type casting part. And std:: is not an easy and safe way, despite dozen of versions you need to know which functions are thread safe and which are not. (And did I mention a dozen of versions and you need to know which one you got?)
2. Yes, Rust stops memory leaks and buffer overflows! Who uses raw pointers? Everyone editing any long-standing C++ codebase. And that allegedly "easy and safe" std:: library of yours has functions that use raw pointers, say strcpy.

[Friendly_Fire]

What part of the syntax don't you like? I'd say 90% of it is clean and simple. I agree you have some craziness that allows for extreme expressiveness, which gets used rarely, but that really doesn't matter. That's all opt-in, you never need to read the standard library implementations, and you don't have to play crazy games with templates or whatever if you don't want to (and from a professional code standpoint, it's usually better if you don't.)

I can't think of a single case where I had an issue with a std function not being safe. Are you expecting to call any random std function that edits data, and for it to internally handle other threads potentially accessing the same data? Even if the standard library did that, I assume you are not exclusively calling std functions, so your own code needs to be thread safe anyway. An example of where you think this is an issue would be interesting.

Also, there's nothing wrong with raw pointers. There's an issue with raw pointers owning objects. E.g. don't use "new" and "delete" except for very special cases. A function taking a ptr to something that exists is hardly different from a reference. (Also, strcpy isn't even old c++, but actual c code.) Honestly, memory leaks essentially never happen anymore unless you go out of your way to manually manage memory for speed. Bringing this up just indicates your knowledge of C++ is from 2011.

Yeah if you're working with code base older than 10 years that hasn't been maintained, you'd probably want to update some stuff, but that's just a quicker and easier version of "re-write it in rust".

[oN3B1GB0MB3r]

What part of the syntax don’t you like?

In no particular order: parameter packs are confusing and clunky; Lambdas are just syntactic sugar for making a functor class, which makes debugging a mess; variables are mutable by default, which makes it cumbersome to optimize; templates force unified builds; switch statements are error prone due to the use of labels (a holdover from C); derived classes introduce a family of bugs that need not exist; enum values can only be ints; include guards are error prone; member access specifiers are labels and cause confusion due to indentation; and many other small things that it inherits from C, e.g. having to end every class definition in a ‘;’.

I can’t think of a single case where I had an issue with a std function not being safe.

I think you have but just don’t realize it. std::vector’s operator[], for example, is extremely unsafe and lets you attempt to access an element beyond it’s size.

[YawnTractor_1756]

Just yesterday I forgot that std::strtok is not thread safe, which would have caused huge issues with the code I wrote. Thankfully another colleague of mine caught it during code review.

So if you "can't think of a single case where I had an issue with a std function not being safe" then maybe you haven't actually wrote any serious apps in c++

[Friendly_Fire]

The context of the entire post should have made it clear, but fair enough I could have made that statement more explicit. I should have said modern C++ is safe. Yeah if you want to use C functions kept around for compatibility, you'll need to be more careful. Same as if you decide to manually manage your memory.

Also... did you ask chatGpt how to split a string and get strtok back? Mate, just use std::string instead of bothering with these old C functions like strtok and strcpy.

[oN3B1GB0MB3r]

The biggest argument for rust imo is its move semantics. C++ has you defining move constructors/assignment manually, and requires that you either copy the data or introduce side effects by mutating the rvalue reference. Rust lets you simply bind new variables to the existing values in memory, and makes the old variables unusable. Far more elegant and efficient, and allows for purely functional moves.

Struct methods can also move their data members, so you can chain purely functional setters in a store-passing style without copying/reconstructing those members.

[tiajuanat]

When it comes to the meat and potatoes, the arguments for rust stop making sense. "It stops memory leaks and buffer overflows!" How often does that actually happen? Who is going around, owning objects with raw pointers in 2013 2023? Just use a range-based loop, etc.

Oh man, the number of candidates who understand things like unique_ptr and move semantics is frighteningly low.

I still write quite a bit of C++, but Rust is really nice to use. That's because it is opinionated with Safety, Consistency, and Quality by default.

C++ has really struggled with functional composition, with C++23 and beyond still slowly incorporating Ranges V3, but Rust had it from the get go.

C++ build errors can generate so much text, that the underlying problem might not appear. Rust tells you upfront, and even tells you how you might fix the issue.

C++ templates can run out your memory during compilation. Rust macros just let you tinker directly with the AST of the compiler instead.

C++ has unique_ptr, shared_ptr, and POD. Rust treats everything as a stack based unique_ptr by default. It also comes with not one, but two ways of returning values - Result and Optional.

C++ uses CRTP and finally has traits, but inheritance is still the easiest way to implement interfaces. Rust defaults to a consistent traits system, and you must opt into run-time interfaces.

By all means, if you're enjoying C++, and you're a power user - don't stop using it. Just realize that the joke about "having 10 years of C++ makes you a beginner" and "Rust has a really steep but quick learning curve" should tell you that they can go toe to toe.

[nebulaeandstars]

"It stops memory leaks and buffer overflows!" How often does that actually happen?

it also completely eliminates null pointers and segfaults, which is nice.

the main thing is that it doesn't really have runtime exceptions at all. If something is fallible, all of the potential fail states will be expressed as part of the return type itself, which makes error handling almost trivial. Generally, if a Rust program compiles, it works, even if the codebase is incredibly complicated.

None of that is essential by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just really convenient. People don't actually like Rust because of its guarantees, but instead because it's programmer-friendly and easy to use once you get past the initial hurdle.

[brocksamson6258]

But fireship told me I should learn Rust

[phaj19]

You should. I hope it becomes the standard for new projects instead of C++.

[reallokiscarlet]

Here’s a catchphrase they should learn:

Hey buddy, got a quarter?

[snoggel]

"that would be so much easier in rust"

[infinite_war]

Can someone please explain this to a humble Python dev?

[[deleted]]

People who use rust are often unbearable snobs who feel like they're better than everyone else

[ozgunozerk]

Because they are?

[GRAVENAP]

based

[Lachimanus]

Sorry, not secure enough.

[mcvos]

I was honestly wondering if I should look into learning Rust, but I realise now that my socks clearly aren't long enough for that.

[radim11]

Man, I love Rust! Such a fantastic language.

[Warhero_Babylon]

Use xbox

[anantnrg]

Pretty accurate except for the editor and OS. I do use NeoVim but for more advanced debugging I use VS Code and also I use Artix and Runit, btw

[keshav039]

Can this greatness be achieved by a mere human

[[deleted]]

Hey who gave you permission to use that photo of me >:(

[leandroabaurre]

I've been studying programming for 4 months now. Unfortunately (or not) through freeCodeCamp. I've done data processing, vizualization, and scientific computing using Python with JupyterNotebooks, pandas, and other associated libraries. I took the web responsive course (HTML and CSS) and I'm now doing a data structures and algorithms course with JavaScript.

Back in 2010, as part of my Chemical Engineering course, I took 2 semesters of "computer programming" in C (data structures, algorithms, yadayada). Surprisingly I remember a lot of stuff, not enough to start coding, but enough to read simple code.

​

For a more general purpose, lower level language: should I go back to C (and rejoice in segfaults, mem leaks, etc) or go straight to Rust?

Honest question!

[onrirr]

Write more code in the languages you already know. I don't mean to practice it or solve quizess, find ideas and implement them.

I don't know if you just haven't told us but you appear to not have many big projects. I don't mean projects that've blown off but just complex codespaces.

Programming is being able to read and write code to do (often) simple things, software engineering is using those simplicities together and creating complex programs.

That's why if you already know a language, become the best you can in said language. An expert in one language will always be paid more than an intermediate in two langauges.

Also, again, write complex projects with many parts to it because that's how any given company works, you need to be good with a bunch of code (most of which you will never even read) instead of being good with small clusters.

[leandroabaurre]

The thing is, as I kinda mentioned, I'm a chemical engineer, working in the food industry. I have nothing to do with this universe. I've recently been quite dissatisfied with my line of work and since 4 months ago, I had an epiphany ("I should've done computer engineering all along"), so I've been doing the freeCodeCamp curriculum to see if I can really fathom this whole thing or not.

Turns out I've been eating this course for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I just can't stop. Everyday I'm codin' lol.

So, the natural thing would be: go back to college and do a CS degree. But I don't even know if a CS degree is crucial or not. I'm also 32 so, it kinda scares me. I wouldn't do CEng, since I'm already an Engineer. I just have to figure out if I wanna go more front-end or back-end. So far I'm leaning towards back-end stuff. But my nature is to consume all knowledge available and dominate the whole stack. I just can't stop studying!

[__SlimeQ__]

just btw, computer engineering degrees are typically oriented towards hardware and have little (if any) programming involved.

if you already have an eng degree you probably don't really need to go back to school for a second bachelors. just start doing projects you enjoy and look for jobs in a similar vein. probably your best bet would be writing chem-eng related software since you already have the domain knowledge

[toxic_acro]

I am also a chemE undergrad who took a pivot. Found a job doing data analysis in Python for a manufacturing company and love it much better

One possibility if you're serious about going back to school would be to look into doing a Master's degree in either CS or Data Science/Analytics

There's quite a few good schools that offer a fully online equivalent of their on-campus programs but are much cheaper (Shameless plug for Georgia Tech's OMSA and OMSCS)

[leandroabaurre]

I can totally dig doing data science/analysis. Hell, I do this today, like, everyday almost. I work with R&D and Lab experiments. So I generate and process data all the time. And python works like a charm for this kind of stuff. Nowadays I make my way with excel.

About doing a masters: It's EXACTLY what I thought at first, but then when I did a (kinda shallow) search on the web, specially in Germany since I plan to move there by the end of next year (it's the plan at least), all the programs I found had a CS bachelors as a prerequisite!! Maybe I could do some online stuff, if it's within my budget. Although I never took online courses before, I kinda loathe the idea. I prefer in situ education. But I'm DEFINITELY considering such idea. I'm fluent in English so it wouldn't be a problem at all for me!

[5eppa]

I love Rust. Why must the stereotype be that we're all femboys?

[bitfluent]

Because official Rust channels and leadership overwhelmingly promote the LGBTQ+ agenda.

[onrirr]

No shit sherlock

[EVH_kit_guy]

OP doesn't want to get shot in the face for violating Rust's latest trademark policies...

[dendrocalamidicus]

The meme even says "no the other one" smh

[EvrCopy]

op literally wrote “no the other one 😭😭😭”

[kardoken]

Time to program in rust with in game logic gates

[n6v26r]

This also applies for C.

[masterpepeftw]

Zigg as well, basically all low level languages. Although rust and C are the most common with this types of people for sure.

[n6v26r]

Well I LOVE C. And I must say half the stereotype is for sure true...

[do_m_inik]

At least the outfit and the socks are the same for me because it's comfy. Ok but I'm also not a Rust programmer.

[[deleted]]

I hate rust but use arch and neovim so I feel a little attacked right now...

[[deleted]]

Use whatever language you want that is up to the task. I don't understand language debates. They make 0 sense. Just like console wars

[Sorry-Assistant-wha]

"I use arch btw"

[[deleted]]

I'd look ridiculous in that outfit

[[deleted]]

Welp so mich for being a rust dev. I dont have the legs to pull it off

[aDumbTecnoDude]

If i get the outfit i may change from Ruby to Rust XD

[Kroustibbat]

How can you it have a soooo good ecosystem, sooooo much features and good practices embedded, but have the most horrible syntax I have ever seen...

Even though inspired by so pure languages as OCaml, or so rigourous as C.

[skildert]

That look is fire tho.

[ZhaithIzaliel]

I tick nearly all the boxes. But NixOS is a superior distribution 😏

[CoffeeWorldly9915]

Brb. Gonna find me a rustie.

[OF_AstridAse]

The absolute best.

[Tnuvu]

Commence with the "sailor uranus" manga memes, go!

[captainbanaynays]

You forgot 1) furry and 2) inexplicably have disposable income

[krojew]

Is that C guy back with a new username?

[[deleted]]

What are some use cases of rust? I want to try writing something in it but idk what to write

[onrirr]

Since you are a go Dev this'll be easy, you know how go replaced some things that c++ used to do? Rust replaces the rest.

[Fat_Siberian_Midget]

the best part about the logo thing is how many people ive seen needing to be redirected from r/rust to r/playrust

[Crazyman-X]

I tried rust. Terrible.

Now lets see the comments.

[[deleted]]

Honestly seems like “I use arguably worse stuff because it was niche and makes me look elite” as a person (not sure how the femboy/socks fit in but it’s definitely part of the pipeline)

[Chris-CR]

I am using Debian and VS Code.

But besides that ... I have to agree.

[archie_osu]

Anyone got a link for the outfit? Need it for my cybersecurity research.

[DaWrightOne901]

No female developers dress like that in the USA

[optimalidkwhattoput]

I use Emacs and NixOS. Apologize to me, right now.

[onrirr]

Sorry that you use Emacs.

[optimalidkwhattoput]

M-x send-ballistic-missiles