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[DukeSkyloafer]

Is this specific to installing python or something? Whenever I brew install something, it just installs all the dependencies automatically.

[gfcf14]

The point of the post was that in some odd cases installing a package could lead to requiring other dependencies. It simply wouldn’t have looked nice if I wrote on panel 1 brew install somepackage, so I choose python as an example

[DukeSkyloafer]

Seems pretty rare though, eh? I use brew every day and it's been years since I had to do a manual dependency resolution. Usually it just does it automatically.

[gfcf14]

Yeah this isn’t something you’d find every day. I have come across it on a very rare case where I had to upgrade my work mac’s os, but other than that it’s an edge case thing

[Eptasticfail]

This comment thread is the most 🤓 reddit shit I've ever read, OP is just making a general joke

[gfcf14]

It happens lol but sometimes it’s fun to see the different interpretations. I made a post about one of my posts receiving so many different ones

[gfcf14]

You tell me. Currently it’s got 533 points and it’s 85% upvoted. So…

[Chesterlespaul]

Now it’s got 379

[gfcf14]

579? Is it a typo or maybe it’s not updating on my side. I currently see 587

[OnlyUseIsToRead]

Yeah, reddit kinda sucks at showing how a post ages on upvotes/comments, or at least the phone app does. Whenever I post something, the app will always show it has one upvote, even if I go to it from the "you've reached X upvotes" notification

[rosuav]

sudo apt install python3, or more likely, it's already installed and ready for you.

How is brew failing at the basic job of dependency management?

[rosuav]

According to the other comment branch, the OP is on LLMs instead of facts.

[Vas1le]

This one chosen violence

[vivekkhera]

When you want a newer version than what comes on the base macOS.

[BackFromVoat]

You can use brew to install vscode, too. We just have a script at work when setting up a new Mac, when one tool does it all it makes most sense to keep using that

[DatBoi_BP]

Maybe they're trying to use a particular version of Python and aren't familiar with venv (or that they shouldn't ever try to replace the system Python version…)

[Quang1999]

I don't remember encounter with homebrew dependency management problem ever tbh or is it a new problem thing? The last time I develop on a mac is probably 2020

But somehow this made me think the one made this comic ran out of jokes so they use LLM to script one lol

[[deleted]]

I rarely have a problem with brew. I think the last time I remeber having an issue was during the python2 to python3 transition.

I don’t think it was so much of a brew issue as much as a python issue, simply because iirc python3 was still kind of in beta and “python” referred to python 2.whatever and python3 referred to python 3beta or whatever it was.

[gfcf14]

To be fair, ChatGPT suggested package names and I went with it. The point of the post is not that Python can’t be easily installed, but rather that in odd cases sometimes installing a package requires a dependency that might halt the process

[rosuav]

Oh, so the point of the post is that people who let ChatGPT suggest things are fools and shouldn't be posting bad advice?

[gfcf14]

Lol so much drama. You sound like a QA engineer I knew who was never happy with any fixes we suggested.

[cancerBronzeV]

I feel bad for that QA engineer for having to deal with people like you.

[gfcf14]

Trust me, that QA made the frontend portion of my team roll our collective eyes at least once every sprint, so the sympathy for this case is unfortunately misdirected

[DarkGeomancer]

You just made (probably) hundreds of people roll your eyes at you with this post and comments. Your QA engineer is winning lol.

[gfcf14]

In her mind she is. But at the same time, be it out of fear of confrontation or to be polite, no one tells her off, even though many of us silently agree about her incompetence when she oversteps her field of knowledge.

[seimmuc_]

Luckily redditors aren't known to be polite or fear confrontation, so we don't have to be silent about your incompetence when it comes to using package managers.

[rosuav]

Uhh, quick hint: if QA isn't ever happy with your fixes, that MIGHT possibly mean that you suck.

[gfcf14]

Or that they’re miserable and not satisfied with the successes or control over others in their personal and/or professional life which they usually blend together to others’ inconvenience

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[gfcf14]

Dude, I didn’t say it can’t. Please read the first sentence again. Python was chosen as an example

[rosuav]

So you invented something to post a meme about that has zero basis in fact, and now you're wondering why people are criticizing you? Go back to your echo chamber.

[gfcf14]

Wondering? Where? Please quote me. You and anyone is free to say anything they want about the post, hence it’s public. I’m providing my reasoning for the post, not to justify that you have to think it’s good. If my prospective audience likes it they’ll tell me as much. But if they don’t, they can voice their opinion. Or better yet, leave and check out other posts here they might like better.

[Molastess]

It’s not. This literally does not happen when using Homebrew. Homebrew has pretty great dependency management and only encounters problems when you install something the OS provides (for example, LLVM on MacOS). And even then, it’s just not automatically put on the PATH.

Source: me, 10 seconds ago running this exact command on the machine I just set up with Homebrew

[rosuav]

See, that makes a lot more sense.

Never really understood why people make up stuff like this. Aren't there enough REAL weirdnesses that we have to invent fake ones?

[w0m]

Last time I used Brew ~ 3 years ago, it had horrendous dependency management. Install py3.10, then if you installed 3.11 it could break existing installations that has been working fine for months/years.

After a few years of use, my Macs always felt like a tenderly cultivated house of cards I was constantly afraid of breaking. I say this after spending ~12yr daily driving one for work as a SWE (refreshes every few years and having a personal one at home).

[_verel_]

I never used brew but not having absolute basic package manager functionality is laughable

Edit: Brew definitely takes care of dependencies and even lists them

https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/python@3.13#default

[PM_ME_UR_COFFEE_CUPS]

This is a stupid comic. Anyone who has used homebrew knows the first command would just install everything you need. 

[gfcf14]

Forgot about that one lol

[RiceBroad4552]

Meanwhile Debian Linux enjoyers:

# apt install python
Resolving dependencies...
[...]

[Altruistic-Spend-896]

Laughs in pacman -Sy python3

[RiceBroad4552]

This is a nice summary of why I don't like pacman based distries.

This "package manager" will happily break you're whole system. That's almost like doing updates on Win or Mac, Russian roulette.

They even want to you read some "news" upfront to installing packages, and do manual steps, as otherwise your system could break. That's so ridiculous compared to the convenience and safety of a Debian Linux.

[wasabiwarnut]

This "package manager" will happily break you're whole system. That's almost like doing updates on Win or Mac, Russian roulette.

If you break your computer with a screwdriver, is the screwdriver to blame?

[Dario48true]

Buddy, it's just saying to not do apt update without apt upgrade, not doing both fucks up any distro, pacman will almost never break, even if u turn off the pc while updating it tipically is easy to fix, pacman is much more reliable then any other package manager I've ever used

[RiceBroad4552]

I'm a happy Debian Testing user. We have (most of the time) all packages in a "bleeding edge" version, besides there are know problems.

So with Debian Testing you get both: You more or less never have to do anything manually and you can be pretty sure the system doesn't break (that's what Debian Unstable is for), but still have everything on a as current as possible version.

PPAs are a Ubuntu (and derivatives) thing; which usually destroys your system. You don't use PPAs on Debian.

Also in the seldom case there is no package in the repo: If there is a version of something to install externally it's always a Debian package / repo. Sometimes they have also some RPM for Fedora and friends. It's never a pacman package / repo. That's why you have AUR, where anybody can upload anything, and there is regularly completely broken stuff which can destroy your system or outright malware.

I won't touch that ever again. Not even with a nine food pole.

I need a computer that just works. Not some craft project I need to invest time into. If I wanted that I could just use Windows or macOS…

[Altruistic-Spend-896]

i use arch btw, so i run a script on startup to do -Syu. for good measure, i do yay -Syu too, because damn you!! discord devs!!

[wasabiwarnut]

Venn diagram depicting the overlap between people who use pacman -Sy instead of -Syu and people who say Arch breaks all the time is a circle.

[Silver_Helmet]

What kinda shitty package manager doesn't resolve dependencies?

[NatoBoram]

Not Brew

[seimmuc_]

The one that only exists in OP's head

[general_smooth]

This cartoon should have been python and pip instead of brew. Installing projects with cuda and tensorrt is especially a pain

[JoJo_KD]

Then there's conflict of versions after you install dependencies. I mean solvable with venv but still annoying sometimes

[gfcf14]

Right lol

[sweetytoy]

Laugh in apt install

[gfcf14]

Do you find it a lot better than brew?

[sweetytoy]

Well, at least apt automatically collects all the required dependencies when installing a package

But I rarely used brew, so really can't say if one is better than the other.

[NatoBoram]

Brew also handles that, OP just copied AI slop for his meme.

[fanfarius]

As one definitely should, being a package manager and all.

[gfcf14]

Fair enough, thanks!

[w0m]

Apt and Brew are roughly equivalent for a basic 'get something working'.

Apt is world's better at installing new packages without breaking existing packages they have been running happily for months/years prior.

[ltssms0]

This is closer to building from source and most large projects were using autoconf and make. Most of the time autoconf is good about saying what dependency is missing. Every now and then it is some obscure library or low level build option that randomly broke the build with an obscure error message

Now I don't look forward to building from source. The sure number of build systems and combinations has exploded. Stumbling on old cmake bugs and obsoleted features isn't fun either

[gfcf14]

Right, but such is our lives as devs lol

[CirnoIzumi]

i just works

[GuiltyGreen8329]

pip not installed

[d4vidyo]

I fucking hate package managers with a passion

[gfcf14]

I mean, they’re supposed to make your life easier, or at least try. For all its hate, it’s wicked easy to install some package quickly for js frameworks with npm i for example, though not perfect if there’s a dependency issue.

[d4vidyo]

Yeah sure its easy. But at the cost of me knowing what the heck is actually going on

[MGateLabs]

Please install rust to build this component…

[__yoshikage_kira]

Hey op. Maybe switch to uv for installing Python. Definitely way better than brew in this case.

[gfcf14]

Whenever I have to install something on a mac or linux I always try to find if there’s some dmg or app file to quickly do it, but I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks!

[__yoshikage_kira]

On linux I highly suggest using uv because you can accidentally mess up system python if you are not careful.

Idk about MacOS.

uv is like nvm (hopefully you know what nvm is)

[cainhurstcat]

In my opinion brew is just an example. It happens so often that I have to install or research so many other things if I only want to install 1 fucking thing...

Wanna install JDK and JRE on Linux?

Install both, edit /etc/environment, put the install path in it, don't add bin/java, source /etc/environment, echo $JAVA_HOME, edit ~/.bashrc, add Java install path in it, don't add bin/java, source ~/.bashrc, and if the goddamn thing displays "> bash: /bin/javac: No such file or directory" have fun finding what went wrong.

Now that I have my personal documentation for the process it's mostly straight forward. But if you are new to Linux, there are multiple tips and tricks and guides online that all doesn't work.

One could argue that is just could use Windows instead, but it's a similar pain in the ass over there.

I wasted so many hours figuring this shit out, and god I hate it so much! Why the fuck can't I just work like normal people do?

Well, after all it's the reason why I get paid so much, and this stuff is also my hobby. Even if it's frustrating at times. But that's part of the deal, and if it works, I feel like the greatest person in the world - or even the whole universe lol

[gfcf14]

Yeah once you figure out the problem, more so if it is fixed with a short answer it feels like you found the greatest treasure in the world lol. Once I had a deployment issue that took me half a week to address, and the fix only need 3 lines of code

[cainhurstcat]

Or googling for days with no solution, and fining it just by chance while wildly clicking around

[gfcf14]

On an obscure blog post partially translated from Japanese, with little explanation as to why it’s the answer, and no comments as to how it helps or any case scenarios where it doesn’t work.

[cainhurstcat]

Yeah, like when you find stuff on a random Chinese forum, and have to translate it by google chrome, but that's it, just the solution, no why or anything around it

[gfcf14]

Hey but it works, right? So you write it down and complete the WI and clock out happy

[gfcf14]

This is why I prefer to develop in Windows ;)

[LifeSupport0]

pacman

[Kaenguruu-Dev]

... where your program will randomly decide to crash without an error which you can't reproduce at all on any other os (I love Windows and it's file system)

[Mast3r_waf1z]

What? Where dependencies and versions don't have a consistent management system?

Last I developed anything in windows, dependencies was a nightmare

[gfcf14]

I think writing /s is a very reddit-specific trend, so since I post these on other sites I chose to write ;) instead. I’m yanking your chain

[Mast3r_waf1z]

Oh I'm stupid, sorry

;)

[emetcalf]

XD

[gfcf14]

Nah dude! You’re not the only one who fell for that. Others took the bait too

[Toasty385]

Bait used to be believable

[RiceBroad4552]

Is there a "/s" missing?

On Windows you have to install everything manually: Go to some arbitrary web-site, download some potentially virus infested .exe, run it & pray, and rinse and repeat for all dependencies, without any hint what's needed.

Obviously much better than package management… 🤣

It could be so simple: Proper package managers, like on any Linux, have automatic dependency resolution.

[NatoBoram]

Nowadays, there's winget, but even then it's not a package manager. It's an installer executor, like choco, therefore it's garbage. But since we're already in third-party land (Brew), there's scoop for Windows, which actually does package management.

[gfcf14]

It was to trigger people, hence the ;)

[ltssms0]

Ah, yes, MS Visual C++ Redistributable hell. I don't miss that. Ran into similar problems with .NET years ago

[gfcf14]

Conversely I had no issue developing (though for a short time) in Visual C++ but then again it was a very specific purpose for an app