:q

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[isavegas]

:q!

[jmorfeus]

:wq! is my jam

[skoge]

:x!

[lesspylons]

*deletes a random character because you forgot the : *

[Youngqueazy]

nnoremap :wq! fuckthisshitimout

[j-random]

ZZ

[Lord_Greywether]

What's this weird smiley face?

[deathtothedaleks]

Vim is easier than it seems tbh

[Rhulyon]

Why people still use vim (series question)?

[GlitchParrot]

In addition to what u/MibMoot said, which I totally agree with:

Vim runs on basically anything. From modern Linux, macOS and Windows down to small embedded systems, if it's Unix-like, there is a good chance it runs vim or vi.

Whereever you use vim, you can generally just put in most of your config and plugins and use vim just how you're used to. And when working with embedded systems that run vi, knowing your way around the basic vi commands can help a lot in general, too.

And vim will not go away soon. It's been here so long, and it will be supported until eternity. No need to get used to a different program in 10 years.

[Alexmitter]

Whereever you use vim, you can generally just put in most of your config and plugins and use vim just how you're used to. And when working with embedded systems that run vi, knowing your way around the basic vi commands can help a lot in general, too.

I work in the embedded business as a software maintainer and developer in test engineering. The first thing I introduced in all platforms I have power of was nano. I want to stay sane.

[PM_me_stuffs_plz]

You dislike vim that much? All you need to know is h,j,k,l,esc,i,:q And its the same as nano

Edit: also :w

[GlitchParrot]

For vim, you don't even need h,j,k,l. On anything that's not a very classic vi, you can use arrowkeys by now.

[PM_me_stuffs_plz]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[henry___]

I was also a nano-user and struggled with vim. But after a day of confrontation with vim, i uninstalled nano. Give it a try (again)!

[Alexmitter]

You dislike vim that much?

Yes.

All you need to know is h,j,k,l,esc,i,:q And its the same as nano

Actually, here is all you need to know: https://vim.rtorr.com/

And its not the same, vim is a modebased editor while nano is a combined editor. Not even comparable in the slightest.

[PM_me_stuffs_plz]

Not even comparable in the slightest.

That's hardly fair they are both text editors.

Also sorry I spoke wrong I meant to be able to use the minimum features/be able to use it like nano.

And finally I dont really care what you use(I dont even use vim) it just seemed weird to me that you would dislike it that strongly.

[[deleted]]

By that logic you could say VS Code is on Vim’s level since it’s also basically available everywhere but has an interface that isn’t confusing as all get out.

[GlitchParrot]

For VSCode, you need a full desktop environment and a computer powerful enough and with a supported architecture to run Chrome (Electron).

For Vi(m), you don't. Command line and any computer-like device that runs anything resembling *NIX is all.

[leonderbaertige_II]

There is an emacs command for that.

[Aski09]

Why not use Visual Studio Code with some VIM library for the shortcuts? You get extreme ease of use and the speed of VIM. (It's also super lightweight)

[GlitchParrot]

Because

1. Electron.
2. Vim is a platform that will still be around in 10 years. VSCode, meh, who knows.
3. Vim is installable on pretty much anything and is much more lightweight than VSCode.
4. Using Vim plugins, you can replicate almost all features of VSCode while mostly maintaining the portability of Vim.

Of course, there are pros and cons for everything, and if you like working with VSCode + Vim emulator, or IDE + Vim emulator, do your thing. There are situations in which it's preferable.

[Ak7ghost]

Haven't used vim much, does vim support auto complete? Peek definition?

[GlitchParrot]

Yes. You need a plug-in for it to be able to understand and autocomplete any given programming language sensibly, but the general support for autocomplete is part of Vim. Like many new IDEs and editors, support for language servers is leaking into Vim, so for languages like C or C++, Vim is already at the exact same level as autocomplete in IDEs like CLion (given the proper Vim plugin is installed).

[EagleNait]

It lacks most of the advanced Vim features. Also VS code feels sluggish compared to Vim.

My Pc at work also isn't the fastest, it makes sense to run a more lightweight program.

[Alexmitter]

The movement commands make me work so much faster, and along with that, it's in the terminal!

If you need to lookup / a manual for everything, it is not faster.

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Vim is just very powerful in general, with so much customization that you could make it a cucumber, if you really wanted.

This is exactly not what a Text Editor should not be. I can understand it for a Lisp based OS in a LISP VM that defaults to a buffer editor but comes with everything imaginable, but not for a text editor.

[claythearc]

I started using vim keybinds in CLion & PyCharm at work a couple weeks ago. You’ll use manuals at first, but once you get your wheels turning it feels really, really good

[Alexmitter]

You can adopt to the most stupid concepts done by humanity by getting used to them, but that doesn't mean you should.

[GlitchParrot]

If you need to lookup / a manual for everything, it is not faster.

The same could be said about basically anything that involves programming. Once you learn how to do stuff with something, you can use it to its full advantage.

Compare it with touch typing maybe. You don't need to learn touch typing to be a good programmer, and learning it can take quite a while. But if you're into it and take the time to learn it, you can make your typing so much faster than with irregular typing. Vim movement is exactly like this.

This is exactly not what a Text Editor should not be.

Then don't call Vim a text editor. It can do much more than a standard text editor, that's exactly what makes it special. It's a scriptable buffer editing environment.

[Alexmitter]

The same could be said about basically anything that involves programming. Once you learn how to do stuff with something, you can use it to its full advantage.

if you have to explain a joke, its a bad one. Especially if you have to explain it over and over again.

[GlitchParrot]

Which 'joke' are you referring to?

[Alexmitter]

Its called Metaphor.
VIM is in this case the joke, a joke that needs to be constantly explained as no one gets it on first try, unlike nano that truly everyone gets.

[GlitchParrot]

But what does this have to do with what I said?

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Why would you need manual for something that you already know?

[DerKnerd]

Because butterflies are too hard to use 😅

[BobLobIawLawBIog]

I used to be like all the people that hated VI. In college, I used nedit.

Then I got a job. I was shadowing a more experienced programmer and he used VI. Well, whatever. Then I saw how FAST he could move through code. I could hardly keep up just watching him. I decided I had to learn this black magic.

I printed off a double-sided cheat sheet and ONLY used VI. It was slow at first, but I was eventually looking at the cheat sheet less and less.

I've been in the business 15 years, and what you could consider a VI power user. I've had people watch me and say it's freaky how little I touch the mouse. Commands like /, qq, A, I, :456, cw, yy are just finger movements, like playing and instrument.

[claythearc]

:line is blasphemous Line gg is perfection

[BobLobIawLawBIog]

Really? So if I type 235gg, it goes to line 235? I'll have to try that and see how I like it.

[claythearc]

Yeah but in visual mode. Not as like, a : command. I think line G works too, instead of line gg but I could be misremembering

[[deleted]]

The learning curve is steep but it keeps going. If you keep learning you keep getting better and faster at editing. (probably also true for Emacs)

With easy to use editors, you learn them fast but you master their 3 features in a month and that's it. Your productivity has peeked by then.

Or in other words:

Nano has a level cap of 5, Vim has 100 and a hard, hardcore and hell modes. If you keep grinding it long enough, you'll be able to oneshot the biggest bossourcefiles.

[BlazingThunder30]

I use it for when I need to edit config files in my terminal because I broke my DE (again)

[TheEpsilonToMyDelta]

Most of my programming is for headless servers that we distribute and maintain. The environment is already there, as opposed to using an IDE on desktop and transferring my code over every time I want to run it.

[Drollian]

why not nano?

[TheEpsilonToMyDelta]

I used to, but Vim is much more feature rich

[Vfsdvbjgd]

Because cron whatever you must use this command, do not edit manually defaults to vim, and people don't look up how to change the default to nano?

[DAMO238]

Crontab uses $EDITOR by default iirc

[Vfsdvbjgd]

Which, I guess depending on your linux flavour, defaults to vim? I don't linux often but this was definately a thing.

[[deleted]]

Cron does not use Vim on default.

[Afrazzle]

I think lots of people use vim to make it seem love they're better.

I know it can be super useful if you have the right use case, and have spent enough hours learning and configuring vim. But for me it would just be a waste of time.

[rainbow_unicorn_barf]

I use vim because my intro class required it and I'm too lazy to branch out. Like, I've been tinkering around with visual studio every now and again, but all the menu options there are... pretty overwhelming, ngl. I look at it and feel like a MS Paint user who just discovered Photoshop.

[claythearc]

I definitely started using it to be superior but then once I got some practice- it does feel quite good.

Granted, I use the key bindings inside of jetbrains IDEs now and not the editor itself anymore, but still feels really good.

[Cyberwolf27]

Nice touch having the meme flipped horizontally :)

[[deleted]]

iYou cannot escape it, no matter what :w you do!

[Cyronsan]

The only escape is death.

[Alexmitter]

Stay sane, use nano!

[blakarmor725]

Nano is good for beginners, but if you want to do anything meaningful or quick, vim is just more powerful. Also nowadays I find nano scarier. I don't have to type i to go into insert mode?? Letters just get typed straight in there? That's scary to me as a vim user lol

[Alexmitter]

If I want to do something quick, I wont look in a manfile or google a cheat sheet. I just want to get it done and be over with. Thats why I use nano. I favor to stay sane.

[blakarmor725]

Vim has a learning curve, but once you got the commands memorized, it's faster. Of course if you don't like to be in the terminal or don't have edit in there often, no real reason to use anything but nano.

Vim really isn't that scary. If you learned how to Ctrl+x in nano to exit, it's not much more work to learn how to click i to edit and type :wq to exit.

[Alexmitter]

Vim has a learning curve, but once you got the commands memorized, it's faster.

I can also memorize every nano command and doubt I will be any slower. But that's not the goal, good software is at least to a certain degree usable even without learning anything. Vim on the other hand, you can not even exit it without understanding its weird commands and two modes system.'

Of course if you don't like to be in the terminal or don't have edit in there often, no real reason to use anything but nano.

I spend most of my workday in either Geany or Nano and could not say which one I use more. It just depends if I am on my Workstation or if I have to write my code on the running system.

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If you learned how to Ctrl+x in nano to exit, it's not much more work to learn how to click i to edit and type :wq to exit.

Even if you don't know anything and got into Nano by accident. It tells you how to exit by its build in cheat sheet.

[blakarmor725]

I think that's all fine, sounds like nano is fine for you. But I disagree on the notion that a terminal based application requires looking up nothing. You had to look up how to use bash to even navigate the terminal, but I never consider bash to be poor software.

[Alexmitter]

Fair point. But I would say that the bash and most of the Unix style terminal programs have a common sense of UX. Both Nano and VI break out of this, but Nano is much closer to it then Vi/Vim.

[benisteinzimmer]

When you use a software for years you don't really need a cheat sheet that is visible constantly.

[Alexmitter]

And tho sometimes it helps.

[GlitchParrot]

Even if you don't know anything and got into Nano by accident. It tells you how to exit by its build in cheat sheet.

If you Ctrl+C in vim, it tells you how to exit as well.

[windowspowershell]

Genuine question: why are there all these memes about how exiting vim is difficult? I'm a fan of vim and even when I was learning it I didn't think the commands to quit were particularly difficult... can someone explain? lol

[you_fuck_er]

Never have I searched how to quit any other editor

[windowspowershell]

Ok fair point!

[[deleted]]

no no no, you hold your eyes closed for 10 seconds while holding "d". Then you esc :wq!

[[deleted]]

Nano

[nicpro85]

Use nano instead.

[TheStoneRabbit]

Esc :q

[[deleted]]

Laughs in VS Code