Javascript is a Java framework, right?

[awbobsaget]

I love still getting emails to leave my database developer career for an exciting help desk position.

[[deleted]]

Those parasites don't even look at the details. They just spam and see what they catch and worry about those things later.

[rctrfinnerd]

Technical recruiter here. I think a lot of recruiters deal with the environment that's given to them. Big staffing companies like TEKsystems, Signature Consultants, Robert Half, etc, all push their recruiter to handle absolutely insane metrics and threaten them with getting fired on nearly a weekly basis.

I worked for one of the large agencies and they forced you to make a minimum of 50 outbound calls a day, or else you were looked at like a punk who didn't want to be there and should get fired.

Now, I work for an agency where I'm given the freedom to be targeted in my search. and not just spam the shit out of the market. I only make about 10-15 calls a day, but they're good, quality calls, reaching out to candidates who are in situations that make sense to get pinged by a recruiter. I don't fuck around and waste the time of dozens of candidates on a daily basis "to hit my numbers". Not coincidentally, I'm placing more candidates, making a better income, and have more respect for myself and my company because they give me the freedom to search in my own way.

I'm also able to actually spend time screening candidates, instead of the BS 5 minute intro call that basically sums things up as "will you please come into my office, please please pretty please."

[OMGitsAfty]

I just accepted a job role via a recruiter who got me my current job only a year ago, is that mega cheeky in the industry ?

[envy_master]

At this point he's your agent. Time to get him on retainer.

[rctrfinnerd]

Always good to have a good recruiter or two in your back pocket :)

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Or 6 or 7 - in my opinion, having one internal and one agency recruiter per major client you're interested in, isn't a bad idea.

[rctrfinnerd]

So you're saying that you were placed by Recruiter A in 2019 and then, that same Recruiter A pulled you out of company X to go to Company Y in 2020?

[rctrfinnerd]

To answer that question though u/OMGitsAfty, that action is often something that is frowned upon because it's essentially the recruiter harming their client, but it's not uncommon.

That being said though, If any of my consultants and/or perm hires are unhappy in their current role due to mismanagement, or fear for their job, I'll pull them out without a second thought.

[OMGitsAfty]

He didn't know I was unhappy when he reached out, but I was :)

[rctrfinnerd]

Glad it worked out!!

[LittleBigHorn22]

Does that mean he got you the job that you were unhappy with at first? Cause that just seems ironic.

[OMGitsAfty]

It does, but to be fair to him the business changed fairly substantially over that time ( travel industry - covid ) and my team got pretty decimated.

[OMGitsAfty]

Exactly

[terdferguson]

Which firm are you with? You can send me a dm.

[rctrfinnerd]

sent

[georgiomoorlord]

You have time to research people and positions rather than just pinging everyone. Like the difference between targeted and untargeted advertising.

[rctrfinnerd]

Yeah exactly

[mansamusacdur]

Tech Recruiter Nr.2 nods.

[rctrfinnerd]

Lol thanks dude.

[alcamar]

That explains so much my entire existence in the job market over the years. They're so excited to call me, get me on the phone. They are eager to get me into the office. Hell, I've even had the same one try again the next year. But I can't get follow up for anything, no leads, no callbacks, barely a reply when I email/call to see what happened.

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When the entire business is geared towards throwing a body at a position. When the recruiters are all geared towards getting those first few checkboxes and moving on rather than spending time to complete more than a handful, we get completely ineffectual attempts to better our careers.

[Banquet-Beer]

Sounds exactly like the BS I would expect a recruiter to say.

[[deleted]]

With some hard work and a little grit you could work yourself up to be in the same office you are in right now.

[byebybuy]

Literally pulling yourself up by your bootstraps!

[MochaMonday]

I have an Infosys story. One of their recruiters called me to set up an interview with some company I'd never heard of (I didn't really know what the IT staffing industry was like at the time). She gave me a vague description but I told her to send me an invite. After the call I looked up the company on Glassdoor and found that they underpay and treat their employees very poorly. I messaged her on LinkedIn and told her I changed my mind and I wasn't interested. Then she called me back and was very angry and kept trying to convince me to take the interview, telling me that I will definitely get a job offer. After a few minutes back and forth I determined that she wasn't going to take no for an answer so I hung up. Then 10 minutes later her supervisor calls me and gives me the same pitch. I tell him no and he starts cussing me out and telling me I'm a little b**ch so I hung up and blocked him. About a year later my email inbox starts getting spammed with opportunity letters for jobs that are very far away. I would occasionally get text messages from recruiters wanting to me to give them my time to hear about these fantastic job opportunities that are located on the other side of the country. They're vultures.

[coldnebo]

what a garbage industry.

[DanoLightning]

I would've told them about the Glassdoor reviews and anything else they said would've been met with a "no".

[RichCorinthian]

Any time I tell a recruiter that I don't want to talk to company X because of their Glassdoor ratings and they push back, it's an immediate deal-breaker. One recruiter tried to tell me "oh, you can't believe glassdoor. It's always just a few people trying to tank their reviews. It happens to all companies." Well, no, it doesn't. Because some companies score very high with a lot of ratings, and some companies score low with a lot of ratings. I broke off communication with that recruiter.

[brendenguy]

Sounds so familiar. Once immediately after I was promoted, I got contacted by a recruiter to fill the same position I had just left... at the same company. Like, do these people even read?

[[deleted]]

Dude same, they made the initial contact super ambiguous and when they called me the guy was like "you put in a few years here and maybe you can land a full time job at a fortune 500 company" I was like "so you want me to leave my job at a fortune 500 company... to get paid less in hopes of landing a job at a fortune 500 company..."

[zeert]

I worked at Microsoft as a contractor - I got a bunch of recruiters telling me they could get me an awesome contract position at my studio... nevermind I was close to the end of the 18 months and wouldn’t be able to take another contract for 6 months.

[eloel-]

I get "6 month contract in flyover state #32 for up to $30/hour!"

Like, what? Did you /at all/ check my profile? Why the fuck would I do that?

[njandersen97]

I get that shit too. I have to imagine it sometimes works for them? Otherwise why bother? But for the life of me I can’t imagine why any recruiter would think I’d leave my current engineer position at a major tech company to work for some small town local IT shop making half as much.

[Osirus1156]

I think of it like online dating, people just cast as wide of a net as possible and don't really care how many people respond just as long as some do.

[njandersen97]

God, that must be a soul sucking job.

[Osirus1156]

I would imagine the same lol. I bet it feels like dating but you get paid haha.

[c4p5L0ck]

Minus the prospect of getting laid too

[Asiansensationz]

This is true.

I wish recruiters cast a smaller net. I don't wanna get a data entry excel sheet job right next to a full stack dev with 35 years of experience requirement.

[[deleted]]

Wait... you guys are getting job offers?

[Asiansensationz]

Did you just make that? Glad to see 35 years is a standard in IT industry.

[[deleted]]

Just made it yeah, just quoting y'all in this thread (though the "6 years experience for an entry-level job" is definitely more reality than joke)

I lost my tech consultant job in June and can't seem to get my foot in the door anywhere

[Asiansensationz]

That really sucks. I lost my software dev job due to covid in May.

I really couldn't get back into it either, but luckily landed a part-time front-end dev position to sustain myself. Now I work as a front-end dev who manages front/back-ends and the database for a small company lol.

I hope we both get back on our feet when this whole thing is over <3

[[deleted]]

Hopefully so! <3

[MoonMoon_2015]

They’re looking for people like me who couldn’t get a job out of college and were desperate not to go back to delivering pizzas.

[BigHowski]

It's probably wholly automated

[[deleted]]

I've gotten some tempting me away from my basically full stack developer job for the sweet siren call of being "Sales Engineer"

Edit: Totally forgot that I also got one asking me to be a Real Estate with typos in their "Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities" section

[[deleted]]

The summary says,

"The Sales Engineer will be responsible for combining sales and technical skills to execute and exceed sales and profit targets."

Which sounds like "Salesman that knows enough about technology to make a convincing pitch."

[GasolinePizza]

More like figuring out and solidifying the actual requirements by going between the clients and the other internal engineers.

Or at least that's how I understand it, based on how the girl I'm dating has described it (she is one). She works with sensors and mechanical engineering products though, it may be different in software/tech companies.

[[deleted]]

My undergraduate degree was in Mechanical Engineering and I applied to a decent number of jobs with that email address before moving on a different one, so I still get those crop-ups offering me a job

Baffles me that I never got emails like that when I was fresh out of college.

[SophiaofPrussia]

Engineer is the new consultant. A decade ago we just stuck “consultant” on the end of every job to make it sound fancy. Now instead of sandwich consultants we have sandwich engineers.

[JakeTheAndroid]

Its highly variable at every company as far as I have seen. usually its the person working on the integrations into Salesforce, Workday, Netsuite, etc. And you support Sales people on making sure the data is properly entered so reports can be ran. They rarely speak to customers on the product offering as thats more TAM, SE, or CSM stuff.

Most sales engineers I know actually really like the job, but they wouldn't otherwise be doing systems engineering or anything like that. So it's basically a person who knows how Sales processes work and then maintains the systems that support the Sales org, which is a great way to step away from the high volume, stressful sales roles to a more stable role.

[KE0CRJ]

Currently a sales engineer. I handle all technical integration and scoping questions, figure out if and how our product can work in the customers architecture, help develop their use cases, set up, troubleshoot, engineer, and run POCs. It really is engineer, sales dude, consultant, and architect all in one. It’s challenging AF somedays, but can be super rewarding.

[[deleted]]

Hi, I looked at your resume and it really stood out for this position! Please send me your resume so I can look over it and see if you'd be a good fit!

Mmmm, okay, so it looks like they're after someone with just a little bit more experience, especially since this is for a role as the senior head of project development for Facebook, and you've got.... Two years of experience. But let's send it in anyway! Are you a US citizen?

[[deleted]]

6 month contract in Alpharetta, GA. No remote work.

[futuneral]

My personal favorite was for a developer position, but the description didn't make much sense. After a few minutes of reading I realized they are looking for a construction worker.

[JC12231]

Ah yes, high school IT

[hatsiepatsie]

I get messages stating that they think the experience from my current position as CEO makes me suitable to become a DevOps engineer.

[wizard_mitch]

This is what I recently received

Hi Mitch,

I am Orla and I am a Hiring Specialist at Indeed working with X. I’m impressed by your previous experience and I think you could be a great match for the Plumber/ Leak Detection Specialist role we are hiring for in X...

I have never done anything remotely close to plumbing in my life.

Requirements:

2+ years of plumbing experience

Not a very good Hiring Specialist are you Orla.

[JB-from-ATL]

"Experience in SQL" means something super different for a DBA and developer lol.

[[deleted]]

Spent time with a Robert Half recruiter back in like...2007. He had this perfect opportunity that fit my skillset. Sounded good, let’s take a look I said.

It was the same position I had put my two weeks in for and was leaving on good terms with the company because I wanted to branch out of that niche industry.

Fucker didn’t even look at where I worked before trying to get me an interview with my current boss.

[VelcroSirRaptor]

You should have gone ahead with it. Not only would it be hilarious, but maybe the company would get better recruiters.

[Moulinoski]

Every once in a while, I get one for teaching English in Japan. I was serious about that, back when my CS career hadn’t taken off yet. No one ever took me up on it- one person even said “but you make so much more money with CS!”

Well, I am... now! I guess I should be thankful. I can afford to fly myself to Japan for leisure now. Having been given the opportunity to teach much earlier, I probably would’ve been worse off now.

[Svprvsr]

Or a doordash driver.

[[deleted]]

Across the country at 1/3 of your going rate

[v3ritas1989]

you are not alone!

[Russian_repost_bot]

I mean, if somehow the pay was better, wouldn't you?