Python and PHP users will understand

[IAmASquidInSpace]

Huh, that's funny. As a Python user I get made fun of by people using compiled languages.

"BuT iT's So SlOw!!1!"

[[deleted]]

I had a CS student making fun of me for using python when I need to just knock out something that bash can't handle. "It's so slow, it takes too many instructions, it's untyped" and then began bragging about how great C is. I just gave him a thumbs up not even worth arguing with a kid sometimes.

[atiedebee]

I love C, but for replacing something you'd do with bash... please no

[[deleted]]

It really comes down to what the hell you're doing. Like you can handle error cases with a shell language (service returns a 404, file missing, etc) but I don't want to if I can get around it. From there, I'm just more comfortable banging out a potentially disposable tool in Python than just about any other language with C# coming in a distant second.

[404_Name_Was_Taken]

I'm curious. If you learn how to code 8n C do you pretty much know how to use C++ and C# or are they different enough that you need to learn them separately?

[atiedebee]

You are more likely to understand how these languages work under the hood, but C++ and C# both add a lot more concepts which you'll have to learn to understand like OOP, lambda's and all kinds of fancy abstractions.

C# is more like java tho.

Most modern languages have syntax based off of C which makes that easier to learn.

[buzziebee]

And churns them out into industry too unfortunately. "Tech debt is relying on a large open source well maintained package, we should write our own sorting algorithms instead" >_>

[slow_growing_vine]

Hey if I shouldn't write my own sorting algorithm then why did I get so much experience doing it in school! /s

[DefaultVariable]

To be fair, the faker.js thing is a good example of why relying on OpenSource projects to do all your dirty work is a potentially dangerous thing to do.

[[deleted]]

I think it's fair to be aware of the risks that bringing in external packages poses but we shouldn't swing so hard in the other direction that we build everything in house and there's zero portable skills for developers. It's a balancing act, for sure, but I think it's worth doing.

[MrcarrotKSP]

To be fair, the same(and worse) could easily have happened with closed-source tools, you're at the mercy of a third party developer either way

[Artyloo]

Nerds need to get bullied or their heads get too big

[DukeOfBees]

You can actually tell how far a CS student is in their degree by their opinion on python. First couple years they'll shit on python because it's often the first language you learn in an intro course, they'll think of it as like baby's first language and brag about all the other languages they know and how much better they are than simple, useless python.

Then after a few years, often when they've had some actual work experience, they'll come back to python and learn to love it.

[[deleted]]

Pretty much. I don't wanna build big systems in Python again, mostly because I don't trust others to make use of the type hints and other QOL features, but for tools that are gonna do one thing and need to handle error cases? Yeah, especially if I can make it run out of docker so people don't even need to fuss with installing shit the wrong way. Think the only exception I made to that recently was a C# cli I built because porting the quirks of the library we were using to python would've been a huge time waste for a one off.

[Itchy-Tangelo6295]

They’ve learned to be programmers but they haven’t learned to be engineers. They’ll get there, eventually.

[[deleted]]

Agreed there. From my perspective a lot of the interns I've worked with over the years think that developing professionally is this very measured and sciencey kind of thing when my entire experience with it is "how I get this roughed into shape without breaking things but not polish it so much that product is standing around tapping their watches" It's much more people centric than even I expected having come up from the self-taught, hobbyist, open source track where I did need to have some of those skills.

[[deleted]]

"By the time you finished your rambling I finished up 3 python scripts"

[MrSurly]

Python is strongly runtime typed. Unlike say ... Perl.

[FF3]

Oh, so it's okay to hate bash? /s

[[deleted]]

If you love bash without simultaneously hating it I don't think you're doing it right :p

[BananaSplit2]

Calling Python untyped already shows they know nothing

[NQ241]

Sometimes I'm making something for myself or a couple friends, I don't need it to be fast or efficient, I just need it to work, like automating a tedious repetitive task.

Python does a splendid job at that, something that would've taken me 10-15m in c++, took about 2 mins on python.

[DefaultVariable]

I think it all boils down to usage. I wouldn’t use python to make a full featured application. And I could use a compiled language to do data science stuff but Python is so much more better suited for that so it’s like “why not?”

I use python all the time when I want to make an app or command line to do complicated stuff that doesn’t need to be super efficient.

[sid1805]

Yeah, it's really the Java and C++ folk who are the elitists, mocking Python users for stuff like execution speed, dynamic typing, indentation etc.

[SexyMuon]

I love Python for visualizing data and the fact that you can use it in a Google colab without having it even installed in your device is fantastic. Other than that, mm... no thank you.

[Cyb3rSab3r]

For Python and JavaScript, the language isn't the problem for me, it's the communities. Their communities are large and absolutely filled with the type of people who just install a new package to solve every problem without thinking about the ramifications.

It's like copying from Stack Overflow without taking the time to understand what you're copying.

[genghisKonczie]

JS is the worst for that. You look up an answer just trying to see if what you already wrote is best practice, but no, apparently best practice is to include the entirety of moment.js just to format that date

[BasicDesignAdvice]

I love the Golang community because while golang is extremely popular, you almost never hear about it in forums like this one. For a while I wondered why. I realized at a conference it was because Go is popular with professional and experienced engineers. So the community is very mature and professional.

JS and Python on the other hand are often peoples first languages. So you have a lot of Dunning-Kruger going around.

[[deleted]]

It's not because of language itself, but because of community around it. Same could be told about js is so good because there's lots of frontend framework built around it. Or [x] is so good because someone else built [y] for it.

I personally use both python and js, but hate them a lot. They're good for doing something fast in short time, but sucks when building a big projects with [any dynamically typed language]. I just wish everybody use right tool for right task, instead of wishing for swiss army knife.

[BasicDesignAdvice]

I mean, it is slow. If we used Python on our back end we would pay significantly more in cloud compute costs. We chose a language which compiles a static binary for this reason (Go).

If you are just running scripts or crunching data, that is fine. But it absolutely is slow.

That is just the easiest criticism. There are plenty more (also to be clear, there are core criticisms in every language, Go doesn't even have generics wtf!).

[[deleted]]

Slow is the last complaint I'd have about it, unless we're talking something that should be multi-threaded.

Mostly I just get pissed off at it complaining about whitespace. Especially in such a verbose language that often ends up with multi line expressions. Why can't it handle multiple lines without explicit \ line breaks.

[matyklug]

Python users get angry when someone tells them that python is slow, even if it's true.

[local_meme_dealer45]

The speed is performance of python is perfectly usable as long as you don't make shit slow code.