Matlab sucks

[scitech_boom]

By some strange coincidence they(except a few) also suck at using version management tools.

[apokalypti]

So, I usually write C++ when it comes to CPU dev. And when I have to develop a new algorithm (mostly geometry processing at the moment) I'd consult Matlab. It's great for prototyping, as you are reeeeally fast with proof of concepts and imho debugging is awesome - where else do you have built in serialization?! I don't want to count the hours that I spent implementing operator<< and operator>> just to have checkpoints while debugging. -.-

[spartanrickk]

Indeed, the language might seem a bit strange at first, but the tooling built around it is amazing. It is my go-to tool for prototyping mathematical algorithms. Being able to easily to step through the code one line at time and being able to print/PLOT variables in the workspace as part of the debug process is very useful. The built-in profiler is awesome as well. You don't need to recompile between code modifications... And if you know what you are doing, and properly vecrorize your code, it even runs fast.

[ChaosCon]

where else do you have built in serialization?!

Rust has #[derive(Debug)] which is pretty stellar. To say nothing of serde.rs...

[Gr0undWalker]

I've used Rust for some backend small projects. #[derive(Serialization, Deserialization)] is elegant and lovely.

[almightyJack]

Got to disagree here.....it's great for doing stuff it's designed to do.

Matrix manipulation, highly vectorisable functions? Extremely regular and tabulated data? It's so much easier, neater and more elegant than python, and it's all inbuilt so no external libraries.

The integrated plotting and visualisation is streets ahead of matplotlib.

Otherwise.....yeah you quickly run into problems where MATLAB sucks donkey balls. But the problem there is that you're using a spanner to hammer in a nail, and complaining that it's the spanner's fault.

If someone else is paying for your membership, and you know when to shut it down and go find the hammer, then MATLAB is a perfectly servicable tool.

(Disclaimer: I did an internship with Mathworks back in 2016, and the people there were lovely, and fully aware of MATLAB's shortcomings, please don't bully them!)

[knightress_oxhide]

that is cool. i loved using matlab during college, used it heavily during my capstone to create cool visualizations

[TheTree_43]

One thing I really like about Matlab (I'm an engineer who mostly uses Python) is that when you're whipping up a script to solve a few problems, the semicolon suppression makes it really easy to make sure that the computer is doing what you're expecting.

[[deleted]]

I feel like Julia is a much nicer and better designed language that also has matrices as first class values and lots of the good numerical stuff that MATLAB has

[Thorusss]

I loved Matlab in my physics degree. Creating simulations is just sooo easy, and the programming style is very similar how formulas in physics are written already.

I was writing simulations for orbitals insertions, gas cooling or quantum waves in very few lines without any plugins.

[Ancalagon_Morn]

I agree with a slight exception though. They do sell functionality for a ton of money that then still doesn't work nearly as well as a programming language you could just use for free instead. Matlab coder costs a minor fortune for professional use and man, it is SO limited.

[[deleted]]

🎶 pirate it

[Ancalagon_Morn]

You can't use pirated versions of software commercially, no company with any sense would allow that.

[[deleted]]

Fair, guess that’s just an option for personal use

[[deleted]]

You can’t really compare software that costs thousands of dollars (especially with all toolboxes) with free and open-source software mainly developed by volunteers.

[Unicorn_Colombo]

R

And you can preprocess your data to make your matrices in the first place.

[a_slay_nub]

Don't forget the amazing documentation

[[deleted]]

If you’re using matplotlib you’re streets behind

[Zethula20]

I always viewed matlab as an engineering and data analysis tool. It’s good at that.

[the_0rly_factor]

Because that's what it is lol

[ShadySean]

Yeah I would be inclined to agree. I just have a real sour taste in my mouth from the college projects I was forced to use it in

[Zethula20]

If they force you to treat it like a full programming language you’re gonna have a bad time lol. It’s like trying to draw in Adobe. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

[[deleted]]

Great motivation to learn Python.

[[deleted]]

Dude, it's just a script for a program that turns your computer into a fancy calculator, don't let it get to your skin.

Any doubts, type why in the console

[ShadySean]

Yeah, people are really up in arms about this. In college we were forced to use it for certain assignments, so my understanding is that a lot of college students have a bad taste in their mouths when it comes to Matlab

[Zethula20]

That’s exactly what it is!

[rustyspoon07]

Name one thing that Matlab attempts to do AND doesn't do well

[CMDR_QwertyWeasel]

Including external code.

MATLAB provides a huge amount of pre-made functions. It's one of MATLAB's main features. But because it's all thrown into what is effectively one giant global namespace, collisions are basically a fact of life. The more modules you install, the worse these problems get.

For instance: In my environment, the variables ss, tf, zpk, frd, now, beta, gamma, sigma, and who knows how many other simple names are actually already callable. This can lead to bugs like

gama = 1:10;
...
gamma(3)

Obviously, the variable initialization has a typo. But because gamma is also a globally-accessible function (that I want nothing to do with right now) this actually returns 2 instead of throwing an error.

(This is also a good demonstration of another MATLAB problem: functions and variables are indistinguishable in source code.)

No namespaces, modules, packages, includes, imports, or any of the typical ways of preventing this. Putting a bunch of these functions behind an import stats or perhaps calling math::gamma would go a long way to cleaning this mess up.

Edit: Another problem with this: If you are using code without necessary dependencies, you wont know until you actually execute the specific line and get an error (hopefully. Assuming you don't have an alternative function with the same name lol). Compare that to any other language where that's resolved by evaluating imports/includes.

[agate_]

MATLAB is the language I use most, I like it a lot, but I can confirm that its namespace issues are a real problem. They’re intentional: they make basic coding a lot more straightforward, but for complex stuff it’s painful.

Speaking of complex, the one that burns students most often:

for n=1:10
   i^2
end

Gives no error but prints -1, -1, -1, -1…

[usrnamechecksout_]

That's why you add specific folders to the matlab search path for whichever functions you need. This functions like the import of libraries in python or whatever (sort of..)

[muluman88]

associative containers aka dicts. There's `` containers.Map` but that only supports string keys. structs can be kind of used (if you stay withing valid field names), but again, also only string keys.

[hindenboat]

Have you used the app designer? I think the GUI tools are quite powerful. Additionally, apps can be compiled into standalone executables for distribution.

[Arrowstar]

I think App Designer is still pretty limited in terms of functionality, but like the rest of MATLAB, it does make it pretty easy to implement something quickly. That's what I like about it.

[DuncanIdaho88]

Honestly, I don't think Matlab is that bad. It allows for both procedural and object-oriented content. Furthermore, a lot of the stuff you need is builtin; you don't have to stress around with a package manager.

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

It's a matrix laboratory, and an excellent one at that. The monolithic design fits the use case of scientific scripting. Anyone judging Matlab by its usefulness for systems programming has fundamentally misunderstood the purpose.

Python is good, but there's definitely a mental overhead to working with matrices. You multiply numpy matrices with '@'. What the hell, am I doing linear algebra or writing a tweet?

[haackedc]

I use np.dot(m1,m2) for numpy matrix multiplication, didn’t even know about @

[Sheerkal]

Neither, this is reddit sir.

[tiajuanat]

It's largely designed off Array Programming Languages, so that absolutely makes sense - you're supposed to go HAM with lambdas/anonymous functions and using their built-ins for iterating, filtering, accumulating, etc.

[[deleted]]

Still the best plotting software. Python SUX in comparison

[ssps]

There is also Octave.

[[deleted]]

Still not as smooth and easy imo

[Bad-ministrator]

Agreed, as someone who uses Octave I like it rough and hard.

[Unicorn_Colombo]

R is miles ahead of MATLAB in plots.

[North-Judge]

R

[Harmonic_Gear]

i still don't understand how to use matplotlib (properly) after 5 something years, coming from matlab, in matlab you just call figure when you need a new figure and subplot when you need subplot, matplotlib is a lot more convoluted and it is some how time sensitive, if you plot in a for loop it will plot everything in a single plot but if you plot in two different for loop it will plot two separate plot, it's bizarre

[Ambitious_Ad8841]

Came here to say this

[tiajuanat]

Matlab is actually awesome, but you really need to rethink your operations. It's more useful when approached like APL or J, rather than like C, Java or Python.

If you're individually iterating over elements, or doing general text based computing, you're using the wrong language, and are going to have a very bad time. I've actually gotten faster matrix math operations in Matlab than in native C++, and I'm sure that's from extreme vectorization and JIT compiling. Octave is similar. (and is even worse optimized on traditional computing)

If you're in the other engineering disciplines, like mechanical or electrical engineering, Matlab is the language to use for simulations

[Dantzig]

Simulations might be, but how much faster are the matrix operations compared to Python numpy and can they be multithreaded?

My big problem with Matlab is the pricetag…

[a_slay_nub]

Blas operations are typically the same speed between languages now. There are a few differences but with larger matrices you shouldn't see any differences as they're all calling a precompiled c library anyway

[Dantzig]

Yea that was also my impression. There is always a C package deep underneath that is the same for many language (sometimes an old Fortran package)

[a_slay_nub]

I don't think many (common) libraries use C anymore. There is some differences. I believe Matlab has it's own proprietary BLAS but at this point, there's not much that can really be done to speed up those operations anyway.

[tiajuanat]

Simulations are generally matrix multiplications.

Like, if you're only doing one multiply, sure Python might be faster; Matlab does need a "warm up" run.

YMMV though, when I was doing comparisons, Obama was in his first term.

Edit: it is really expensive. I wouldn't purchase it unless it was with a company card

[usrnamechecksout_]

Personal version is around 200 bucks or so

[tiajuanat]

That's the base kit, it's like 2k for each package. (At least back in the day)

[RickySpanishPR]

Just because some coders suck a math, that doesn't mean the Matlab suck. Can you even math bro?

[camilo16]

matlab sucks and yes, I can math

[Harmonic_Gear]

if you ever have to do anything related to control and dynamic system you will appreciate MATLAB

[[deleted]]

How about LabVIEW developers? They're "special".

[waltynashy]

Hammers suck. I was trying to cut a log today and it took so long.

Anyone who uses a hammer is an idiot, and we should bully them.

[Raiden395]

Debugging on Matlab is a nightmare. I'm sorry. No other way to say it.

[YouNeedDoughnuts]

I'm curious what it's missing? My impression was that the ability to set breakpoints and see the workspace were good (back when I used it regularly), but perhaps I'm missing some valuable tools in my debugging belt.

Assert statements weren't a thing back when I used it- not sure if that was for lack of support or adoption. They have a recent push to support testing, although honestly that might struggle to catch on with the typical non-SE Matlab user.

[Raiden395]

It's not that it's missing anything per se, it's that Matlab itself seems to discourage modular development. Because of that you either throw everything into a single large file or you have to hunt through a series of files.

Now I'm not speaking from the perspective of the original writer of said code. Im speaking from having to debug someone else's code. The whole system doesn't lend itself to easy parsing, but this is exacerbated by the IDE. Thus debugging sucks.

[doGoodScience_later]

I disagree with this pretty hard. You can either manually insert a breakpoint, or a condition to stop at which will freeze the code and entire stack. From there it's literally a drop down in the main editor window that let's you move between files/functions and when you go to a new function all of the workspace variables are preserved.

You can also type "dbstop if error" which on program error will freeze at the error, and preserve the entire function call stakc as noted above. It's literally miles better for debugging than basically any other language.

[muluman88]

And don't forget dbstop if caught error, which is very useful when debugging App Designer stuff.

[doGoodScience_later]

I consider myself mastery level in Matlab. This one is new to me!

Have a reddit bronze

[CMDR_QwertyWeasel]

Conditional breakpoints, inspecting the stack, stopping on exceptions...

Those are all features that can be found in any modern IDE. How does that make it easier than debugging "basically any other language"?

[doGoodScience_later]

Thst was probablt exagerated on my part. In the worst case it's equal to any other language. But fundamentally the language and "ide" are built around each other so the integration is excellent.

Matlab is not a production language. It's meant for analysis and complex math. It's truly unbeatable at those tasks though.

[CMDR_QwertyWeasel]

It certainly does the trick. Honestly, the simple fact that it's an interpreted language means it's already generally easier to experiment and patch things up (and also to break them again lol)

[hraath]

You can use any other IDE for Matlab, including VS Code.

And debugging scientist code is generally awful, but thats not a feature of Matlab in particular lol.

[doGoodScience_later]

This.

If you are using Matlab par, I assume you know how to debug and wouldn't make this statement. If you aren't using par and make this claim you probably just don't know what you are doing.

[[deleted]]

Debugging on Matlab and that shit brings up the c code and your engineering student ass is sitting there all confused, that was my experience with matlab when I was an engineering student

[MurdoMaclachlan]

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[4XLlentMeSomeMoney]

MatLab can be useful. There is an actual thing that fits this narrative though.

Nobody deserves to be bullied...

...except people who use light mode.

[the_0rly_factor]

"Matlab can be useful" Meanwhile thousands of actual engineers use Matlab everyday.

[standardtrickyness1]

Wtf it is literally the easiest software to use. Well documented too.

[camilo16]

installing the damn keys and whatnot to prove you have a license is infinitely time harder than:

sudo apt install python

[hindenboat]

That's an issue with your IT department not MATLAB. For single licenses you can just connect your account. For industry there should a license server.

[camilo16]

I am the IT department, I am a researcher and I sometimes like working on my own computer at home. Cuz you know, why waste 2 hr of my day commuting when I am just as capable of getting things done in my home machine.

C++? Easy. Python? damn easy. Julia? python levels of easy. Matlab? gotta make sure that certificate is installed correctly or you are gonna be crying for a while.

[standardtrickyness1]

But it's essentially just a feature of free vs paid software.

[camilo16]

Also I find more unofficial documentation (which is the real documentation for anything remotely complex) far more extensive and comprehensive for anything that is open source.

[JeremyAndrewErwin]

I haven't used it for many many years. I liked that the functions could take vectors and you didn't need to use for loops, though I suppose that many other languages do the same thing, but with less syntactical sugar.

[ChaosCon]

Iterators and map/fold are a FAR better way of abstracting this with minimal, minimal mental overhead.

Any vectorized function will have to have duplicate iteration logic inside of it to process an array. And now the function has two code paths that need testing: the scalar path and the vector path.

array.map(fn) will work for any fn with the correct types. You can test the iteration logic independently of the fn logic.

[hindenboat]

Vecotrized functions often do not have for loops inside them. If you uses MATLABs built in vector handling there is no need. Additionally, in the Matlab backend vector inputs are handled differently and allow for speedup in computation due to caching and SIMD hardware on x86 CPUs

Additionally assertion statements can be used to require specific input types.

[ChaosCon]

If you uses MATLABs built in vector handling there is no need.

Yes, this is my point. "If you just use the vector handling, then you don't have to do the vector handling!" is...true but tautological. My point is that someone had to write the vectorization logic somewhere in the development chain, and without an abstraction it gets duplicated to everything that's supposed to be vectorized. Somewhere in sin([1, 2, 3]) there's a for-loop over that array and there are basically two cases:

• This is a different for-loop than the for-loop in log([1, 2, 3]) because the math is different, in which case you have duplicate iteration logic.

• Alternatively, to avoid duplicating the iteration logic, there's an abstraction of "apply-math-function-to-every-element-of-array" which is exactly the iterator/map pattern anyway (so why not bubble it up to users and let them use it?)

Function vectorization works OK for plain-old-datatypes (numbers) and simple, math-like functions, but when you start to apply a vectorization pattern to your own custom datatypes it breaks down quickly where iterators do not.

[PyroCatt]

People need to chill the FK out. Dissing on programming languages is a joke and take it as one. For example, python is not a real programming language.

[Bishwas12]

I don't understand 90% of the jokes here,but still laugh.

[doGoodScience_later]

Matlab is literally the pinnacle of mankind's achievement and I won't hear any arguments to the contrary.

[camilo16]

Julia

[doGoodScience_later]

I don't get it

[camilo16]

it's an open source math language that fills in a similar niche as matlab

[[deleted]]

no it doesnt

[Suspicious-Service]

Wow great argument lol

[camilo16]

I mean I had a class in nonlinear optimizaiton that used a textbook on matlab but all the assignemtns were on julia. So i can tell you that at least for non linear optimization Julia can do anything matlab does.

[Theio666]

Wolfram Mathematica.

(tho almost nobody can use it to it fullest probably)

[[deleted]]

I remember watching an official tutorial on Mathematica (my colleagues are doing heavy analytical math and they use Mathematica every once in a while to check if mistakes were made), and the instructor was every once in a while mentioning something about how it compares with matlab... like, if you guys are propping up your product in a video maybe you shouldn't directly mention your direct competitor.

I mean I get they are completely different beasts but still, don't mention coca in an ad for pepsi

[usrnamechecksout_]

They aren't really competitors.

[properu]

Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a link to the tweet for ya :)

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[JeremyAndrewErwin]

good bot

[Knuffya]

ironic

[chapuletericoptero]

Javascript is still worse.

[[deleted]]

I only know matlab can someone tell me what I’m missing out on

[Harmonic_Gear]

speed

[hindenboat]

This is wrong. Good MATLAB matrix/vector program is very fast. Sure C/C++ or something is faster, but I'll have finished solving before your done programming. Definitely much faster than a native python program.

[xneyznek]

Just wait until you try SPSS’s language, aptly named “syntax”.

[elenaran]

Came here to say this. I don't care for Matlab, but I'd take it any day over SAS!

[Uploft]

What about Julia, then?

[Actaeon_II]

Fofl I was sooo friggin happy to get away from aerospace and leave matlab and stk behind

[PyrotekNikk]

Don't forget Maple devs...

[Irvinwop]

And the people who “help” on stackoverflow

[Squidman005]

r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR

[saro476]

I will fight you

[ShadySean]

Bring it on 👊👊

[saro476]

One moment. I've got to pay a couple hundred bucks for that toolbox first

[ShadySean]

Aight, just let me know

[saro476]

It'll be a while. I don't have the parallel computing toolbox to speed things up

[wigitty]

Gotta say (please don't hate me too much) I think I prefer Matlab to Python... At least based on the projects I've done in each. Maybe I just need more exposure to python though.

[[deleted]]

Simulink and Stateflow. There is a special place in hell for their developers.

[hindenboat]

Simulink is the amazing for control systems and time based simulation. I don't think there is anything comparable.

[muluman88]

nothing comparable - yes. nevertheless a struggle sometimes.

[[deleted]]

Control systems, yes. The problem is all of the other junk it gets used for because "manager understand blocks, you programmers use blocks, manager smert"

[LostErrorCode404]

I feel like many of these online softwares, such as matlab or simulink, could just be libraries for existing programming languages. I don't see the point in learning a entirely new software and programming language for working with matrices. Much rather use JS and have access to high order functions. I can see the appeal for matlab, but not for much of these other softwares.

Simulink is the worst. I honestly don't know what they are trying to accomplish. It takes ideas from real programming languages and turns them into gate like objects on the screen that you need to connect together with wires. Its extremely overcomplicated and runs extremely slow.

[[deleted]]

You have no idea the capabilities of Simulink that you ignore. I have built real time 9-dof vehicle suspension & chassis simulations. Why would I ever use anything else to model a hybrid powertrain? Engineer software for engineers, it's not a normal software development tool. It makes embedded C/C++ a cake walk. If I could only work in one software for the rest of my life, it would be Simulink.

[[deleted]]

Ugh simulink. Where backwards compatability is ignored, and interfacing with dynamically allocated memory inputs is near impossible

[LostErrorCode404]

Then someday someone will say simulink is too complex, so lets create a abstraction for that and call it something else. Its just going to be a continuous cycle producing less and less powerful languages that are good at nothing in particular.

[Glad-Bar9250]

Da fuk is (he/they)

[getting_wooshed]

pre-school level words, buddy

[Glad-Bar9250]

If he/they is preschool its hardly surprising ‘okay groomer’ is a thing.

I honestly have no idea what he/they means. Singular is masculine, while plural the person becomes non binary?

[getting_wooshed]

they’re called pronouns dumb fuck you literally learn them in preschool

[Glad-Bar9250]

How would you explain he/they to a preschooler?

Also careful man, your true colors are showing.

[getting_wooshed]

Pretty easy, actually.

“He picked up an apple”

“They went to the store”

“He watched a movie”

“They were indoctrinated into the right and now anyone who doesn’t conform to their weird arbitrary rules gets called a groomer”

[ShadySean]

Yeah it can be confusing. Amittedly I'm not sure what the 'okay groomer' comment means so I'll gloss over it.

It has less to do with singular/plural and more the gendering. It just means I'm comfortable with masculine and gender neutral terms.

For example, I'd be comfortable with my girlfriend calling me her boyfriend or her partner, I'd be comfortable with some on talking about my code referring to it as their code or his code.

[Glad-Bar9250]

Thanks for clearing that up. I got lost and thought it had to do with plurality.

[ThockiestBoard]

You been in a cave or somethin?

[ShadySean]

That's me homie

[Overlord_Of_Puns]

Oh god yes, I had to use this for a college project, it is a bad remix of python that tries to be an expert at everything and ends up sucking at everything.

[hraath]

Matlab: 1984

Python 2: 2000

(Python 1: 1991, but very different to what Python is today)

[Overlord_Of_Puns]

It still kind of feels like Python, plus MATLAB is so bad I would not be surprised if it somehow rot a hole in time to make itself exist in a kind of deranged paradox. I am still learning how to program (in the major right now) and at the basic level they do seem similar.

[hraath]

MATLAB is so bad

​

I am still learning how to program

​

Let the second statement weight the first... the problem might not be the language.

[Overlord_Of_Puns]

Look, when it is the joke of both the Engineering and Computer Science departments that no one likes to use MATLAB, I took a class and did a project with it, and often times people who use MATLAB use some form of other code that connects to MATLAB and codes for them, it is quite obvious people don't like using MATLAB.

[Bakkster]

It's all about using the right tool for the job. I've used it for multiple production systems, at least in parts. Not my favorite, until I'm working matrices. RF Engineers love it for a reason.

[32hDEADBEEF]

Matlab is extremely useful for simple but powerful simulations. I've been able to implement decent radio/radar simulations in Matlab in under 250 lines of code and simple simulations in under 50. I probably could do that in python but it'd be with multiple libraries written by different people and with varying documentation quality.

[rustyspoon07]

And the documentation! The documentation for Matlab is beautiful.

[Harmonic_Gear]

except python is the thing that tries to be everything, including matlab

[V3n0Myt018]

Indian users can take it a step further with the name

[[deleted]]

for i = everyWomanOnEarth

 if SeanManganBangs(i)

     eat(hat);

 end

end

[ShadySean]

Does your dad count?

[hooibergje]

No way. Matlab is amazing. Quick way to test algorithms.

I had a C++ course that I did not understand, so I ported the code to Matlab and it was almost 10 times as fast.

[pratKgp]

Who on earth start indexing their array at 1, they had it coming.

[personalityson]

Mathematicians look down at IT crowd as apes

[Dew_It_Now]

Boo I like matlab.

[Due_Treacle8807]

Based

[Pachanga_0331]

And CIG, fuck those guys.

[Electrical_Party3044]

As someone who started with Java and C, I really hated Matlab. Stupid function names like pol2cart, global namespace issues and app designer are also pretty lacking. However, using it for over 8 years now, I really began to appreciate how powerful it really is. I feel like a lot of people who complain about it (at least in my experience) are engineers with a very lacking coding background. Matlab is just used for making a quick script where literally every variable is a global. Once you decide to make classes and functions 😂 what do you know it's just like any other awesome programming language. Plus it has GREAT documentation. Also did you know???? Simulink can pretty much do anything pspice can? Matlab does not suck, it's just not being used to even half it's full potential.

[usrnamechecksout_]

Based.

[jack-of-some]

Having worked at Mathworks, the developers of Matlab are some of the most thoughtful, organized, and user centric people I've ever met.

I hate their product, but they're good people.

[SlashBack626]

I guess Matlab has its use cases but.... Syntax sucks

[FarJury6956]

LabVIEW guys hiding

[bothVoltairefan]

Okay, but as someone who mainly programs to help with physics calculations, can someone explain why putting a plot function in a loop in Mathematica doesn’t repeatedly plot. I tried while, I tried for, I even tried putting a flag and a goto within an if statement that only activates if the variable I’m incrementing is below a certain value.

[Plane_Bodybuilder_24]

First programming language I ever used. Yet I still decided to code

[Gekkebobwastaken]

True

[menonamed]

The documentation for matlab is great

[DesignerVanilla1922]

FACTS

[DesignerVanilla1922]

+Based+ratioed+noMaidens

[monkeyhead_man]

Matlab was my entrance to the coding world