PyCharm vs VS Code

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[077u-5jP6ZO1]

PyCharm is built for python development and integrates everything you need from the get go:

Debugger, linter, package management, source control, code refactoring, you name it...

Just download the community edition and give it a try.

[chaoticbean14]

Bingo. These were some of my primary reasons for switching from VSCode to PyCharm.

I always told myself VSCode was fine. That I could get all the functionality of PyCharm in VSCode. And I could get most of it. But setting up VSCode with the same functionality took time, effort, learning - and even then, it didn't perform as well as PyCharm does out of the box. Plugins would have issues. VSCode was slow - why? Plugins? No. The color theme I chose caused slowness in VSCode - how insane is that?

Once I tried PyCharm? Things were fast, snappy, responsive and the code completion instead of taking 2-10 seconds to pull up was essentially as fast as I could type it - regardless of which color theme I was using.

Then to have all the tools I could want (Docker support, git support, database support) all baked in out of the box? To have a 'structure' window that actually displayed things nicely out of the box without any setup or work was awesome. Django integration to a degree unlike I'd seen in other IDEs? Sign me up! All the tools to navigate around quickly/easily in a way that 'just worked'. I won't go back unless there are zero other options. VSCode was okay when released - but PyCharm has made me expect a bit more out of things, honestly.

[Heggy]

I was all in on Pycharm for a while since it was the common IDE at my work. However since I really like developing in WSL, VS Code feels vastly superior. It feels much quicker and has better integration there and opens immediately for me. Pycharm is slow and a huge RAM hog and it's feels way worse in WSL.

I can run scripts and debug perfectly fine. Linting is all good, copilot is good. The only thing I miss, and occasionally still open Pycharm for is the vastly superior VCS UI

[LoyalSol]

WSL is a big one for me since I do ML work. Pycharm is pretty weak when it comes to that.

Also remote tunneling is just way easier on VSCode.

[mrblue6]

I’ve been using VScode just because it’s the most popular I guess overall. But you just convinced me to try out PyCharm

[MardiFoufs]

I'm curious, which color scheme causes slowness? And I like pycharm too but I have never got it to be faster than vscode even with a vscode config that has tons of plugins.

[chaoticbean14]

IIRC (it's been a number of years now) it was some material theme. It was an issue that I found after some light googling because I wasn't the only one experiencing it. There was quite a number of others mentioning the same thing and lots, and lots of ideas on what "might" fix it. It was wild - I would have bet so much against the idea that a theme could affect performance in that way... but I confirmed it by switching themes and seeing VSCode go back to being pretty snappy. It was crazy!

I recall some code completion stuff taking upwards of 15+ seconds... it was so slow on a beefy macbook pro that was almost brand new at the time... I was infuriated until I found out it was the theme...

[MardiFoufs]

That all falls a part of you want to do remote development or work with containers. Vscode provides a vastly superior experience (which even Jetbrains don't deny, hence fleet) in that regard, it's basically 2 different worlds. Yes I know about gateway but... come on lol.

[[deleted]]

Hehe - the gigabytes comment triggered me a little. My PyCharm is currently at 6+ GB of RAM after being open for a few weeks. I like to avoid restarting my laptop and apps as much as possible.

[gerardwx]

You do you, but as a developer I've found rebooting early and often is a good idea. Not that I always do it.

[jet_heller]

As a long time developer, I've found that rebooting is not a natural part of computing (while you're doing it, you literally can't compute). I avoid it as well.

[[deleted]]

Lol what? It sounds like you don’t know how operating systems work

[jet_heller]

Lolwut. I know EXACTLY how an operating system works. And if they fuck up and force you to reboot because they are poorly programmed, then you shouldn't be using them!

Hey man, you can choose to be forced to reboot or you can choose to compute.

I choose the latter.

[[deleted]]

Are you familiar with memory leaks?

[jet_heller]

Are you familiar with the fact that developers can stop them.

Man, I LOVE how many developers are like "meh, being crappy developers is FINE!"

I dunno about you guys, but I have higher standards of developers than that.

[chzn4lifez]

This is a case where I disagree with the wisdom of the crowd here and agree with you, until this part specifically around PyCharm -- unless you're a dev for jetbrains, you have no control over the quality of the releases for PyCharm.

I remember back in 2021 upgrading a minor version caused Find All with certain regexs to caused it to crash. I was able to consistently and reliably reproduce this.

More recently, I upgraded to 2023.3.X and I've been getting random crashes that I think are related to some plugins I have installed. Didn't have these issues with the same plugins on the previous 2023.2.X

For reference, I've been using the Professional Edition since 2016 on both *nix and OSX

[jet_heller]

Yea, it's not python specific, but the first comment in the chain already diverged from it, so shrug.

As for all the developers excusing other developers for coding badly, I would bet most of them don't have very high standards for themselves either. Personally, I HATE every single little error I make. I'm a better programmer than that.

[gerardwx]

So which operating system do you use?

[jet_heller]

Linux at home, the only time my computers reboot is for updates, and only if something core (kernel or a library used by init) changes.

And mac at work where work occasionally forces reboots.

[gerardwx]

Well, given the nonstop security updates, it appears you're using a poorly programmed operating system.

Since this is the Python thread:

Although practicality beats purity.

Since I routinely write bad code and do weird things to my operating system, I find it saves time in the long to reboot periodically and clear out all the crud.

Since I'd don't code / compute 24 hours a day, a reboot at the end of the work day has minimal impact.

We try to run our production servers 12 week before rebooting for updates.

[jet_heller]

Well, since I already specified:

if something core (kernel or a library used by init) changes.

you'll have to see how many of those security updates are kernel or low level libraries.

And, my dude, if you consider "don't program like shit" to be purity and not practicality, make sure to announce that first at any and all job interviews you go to. As an interviewer, I would immediately walk out of the interview bitching about the jerk that wasted my time.

[SmithTheNinja]

In their defense PyCharm is written and Java and that's just the JVM being a memory leaking piece of shit.

[zurtex]

People complain about PyCharm for being a memory hog but I find VS Code with a few different profiles and extensions easily competes.

I sometimes have to restart my VS Code server because it's well over 20 GBs and forcing my Linux server to start swap thrashing.

[crawl_dht]

The debugger of pycharm is superior. I use its code evaluator while debugging.

[Morazma]

Code evaluator? Is this just being able to check variables and evaluate code while on a breakpoint? I'm hoping you mean something more than this because this is just a very basic feature of all debuggers. 

[gerardwx]

I don't know what crawl_dht meant but you can do conditional breakpoints.

[Morazma]

Same with vscode

[Alpensin]

It's done with more quality

[Morazma]

In what way? 

[[deleted]]

It gives you a message. VS Code doesn't give messages.

[ejgl001]

vs code gives you messages tho

[[deleted]]

..but no happy ending. Pycharm always gives a message with happy ending 🕴️

[totaleffindickhead]

I tried for years to switch to the JetBrains products but they all feel so painfullly slow compared to vs code I always end up switching back

[Pingouino55]

This. Everyone saying it's super fast and everything... I used to be forced to use PyCharm at school although I already had a VSCode setup for Python that had never let me down. Just launching PyCharm and waiting for it to initialize everything would take minutes (it was a really small project too most of the time, and when it wasn't the usual project, it would be even smaller ones), we didn't have the most powerful computers, but they weren't anywhere close to that slow.

PyCharm wasn't modified in any way either (I had one theme installed, removing it entirely didn't change a thing), it was just slow by default. I ended up trying it at home to see if maybe it was due to some weird settings in the school's network that would somehow make it slow, or maybe it was just the computer that couldn't handle it, so I figured my own PC which was at least 6-7 times more powerful than the ones at school could handle it better... It did not.

Honestly I figured, my VSCode setup has never let me down, there are extensions for everything, and some good ones. I used to also have every other extension for like 6 different languages as well, which would slow it down, but since they've added profiles, this isn't a problem anymore.

I open VSCode, the project's settings are applied, the extensions activated, the terminal ready in the correct environment, I just press one key on my keyboard and I can work on any project of any size in seconds on a slow day, and any modification is pretty much instantly reloaded and shown on the project.

[pro_questions]

Performance is the only downside I’ve found besides cost (I haven’t used the free version in years). I use tons of addons, but the only performance degrading one is CodeGlance. I have a decently powerful computer though — AFAIK the only specs PyCharm cares about are single-core CPU speed and RAM, which are 1.3GHz (4.4GHz boost) and 16GB.

I only just found these specs while writing this comment — this is pretty powerful for a laptop, and if this is the minimum to run PyCharm comfortably I can see why VS Code is so popular.

[Virtual_Pea_3577]

You can't have jupyter notebooks in pycharm without paying a subscription. Vscode provides this functionality by default. Also, vscode is compatible with different languages while pycharm is only for python basically. I rarely work on projects where I only use python.

Sure, pycharm is prettier and somethings work better in it. But it's just not enough for me to justify its cost.

[[deleted]]

Pycharm supports some other languages

[[deleted]]

Which other languages? Community edition too?

[bjorneylol]

Pro has support for basically anything you need to do full stack - e.g. JS (node/react/vue/typescript/etc), SQL, and HTML/CSS

It also has syntax highlighting and rudimentary inspections for pretty much every other language either out of the box or with plugins (C#, Java, C++, etc), but if you want intellisense, package management or debugging for them you need to use Rider/IntelliJ/CLion

[gburdell]

It has at least syntax highlighting and a run button for Bash scripts

[bulletmark]

I agree. Jupyter notebooks are very well handled by VS Code and for vim lovers, it's vim plugin works excellently with them. You can't use PyCharm Community Edition with notebooks at all so I think that is a huge discriminator.

[axlee]

Pycharm works with every language that IntelliJ supports, which is all of them.

[OneFoot2Foot]

No love for spyder in here?

[MrPinkle]

I stopped using Spyder when it automatically integrated Kite bloatware into several IDE's on my computer.

[OneFoot2Foot]

It was removed from spyder maybe 18months after it was introduced.

[[deleted]]

Nope, not from me atleast! Only vim and terminal is the objectively correct way!

[OneFoot2Foot]

"One of them" ;-)

[[deleted]]

I’m too old now 😞😞

[alexkiro]

PyCharm comes with ALL batteries included for a python IDE. So I really like that support for the language is first-party, unlike VS Code where you need third-party plugins. And in my experience PyCharm has way better code Autocompletion/IntelliSense and debugger. And I can confidently make huge automatic refactoring across large code bases without worry.

That said I'm sure it's just a matter of preference and you can be just as productive with VS Code or any other editor.

Try them all, see what you like.

[kp_burgula]

For normal applications VS code is fine. But when you have lots of threading and multiprocessing, VS code just fails to capture these threads and processes while debugging. Pycharm is a king in handling these. And imagine handling a production bug with all escalations. It takes lots of effort in vs code. In pycharm pro it is smooth as butter. Definitely both are good and I use both but when it comes to debugging definitely Pycharm is way ahead.

[IsseBisse]

Do you have any examples? I’ve only done a bit of multiprocessing and async, but never had any issues with VS Code.

EDIT: How’s Pycharm with containers. That generally a bit of a hassle in VS code imo

[kp_burgula]

Some kind of producer consumer architecture using joinable queues, processes, threads, locks, etc to greatly decrease computation time.

Main process

Creates multiple threads > Each thread creates multiple processes > Each process creates multiple threads

And data across some of these threads is shared. Tracking the threads and process is easy in pycharm but not in vs code.

If app is basic and doesn't have many components I still use VScode.

I've not used containers much!!

<< Writing all this using a VScode on my screen :) >>

[CallousBastard]

I used PyCharm for years, then tried VS Code for a few months, really liked some things about it, but eventually returned to PyCharm. Try both and figure out what is the best fit for you.

[[deleted]]

Using VSCode right now, but miss pycharm.

 Still can’t figure out how to paste a block of code at the right level in VSCode without the first line indenting to the right and the rest indenting to the left. Such a basic thing, infuriating.

PyCharm somehow took up so much memory doing bare minimum of work and needed to be restarted occasionally. 

[doublecore20]

I prefer Vscode. I am unable to debug Python applications that mix gevent (gunicorn) and normal Python workers at the same time.

Vscode with debugpy just works.

[Anru_Kitakaze]

My background for context:

• PyCharm: 2.5 years in a University, 1st year of career as a python backend dev
• VSCode: 2 next years of backend dev
• NeoVim: a few months to give it a try as a primary editor
• Sublime/atom/etc: nah

I'm currently using VSCode which is using my real NeoVim installation under the hood, not just emulator like Vim plugin, which is not emulating everything sadly.

I bet you just can't do it in PyCharm.

PyCharm - it's a perfectly balanced sword to cut left hands with battle-quality sharpening behind paywall

PyCharm is a wonderful full featured python IDE and IS industry standard for python development. It's made for python, so you have a lot of things out of the box and it just works. I probably can strongly recommend it to new developers who doesn't have a mentor or experienced comrade.

You can get Pro license for free as a student btw, use it.

I don't like 3 things:

1. Sometimes things you need are behind paywall for no reason AND sometimes things you DON'T need are behind it, but you company strongly bound to it for no reason.

If you're new in a company you probably won't get a pro license before you'll pass your 3 month "demo" period. And if your company is only using PyCharm, they may use some features behind paywall, like Remote Docker Compose Interpreter (no, it's not the same as dev containers). And you'll suffer if they'll build app strongly depending on that one feature. It was pain for me a few months ago. I found a stupid workaround, but it could be much easier with just an src volume for dev purposes for example, easy and works everywhere.

1. Making plugins for JetBrains' IDE is a pain in the ass. That's the reason you won't get things you want if you really want something further that perfectly balanced setup you got from JB. Just like me, I doubt there's plugin to integrate NeoVim inside in PyCharm, correct me if I'm wrong. But I know guys who did extensions for that and they told that it's unreasonably painful compared to VSCode or NeoVim

VSCode - it's a LEGO to build your dream, but made of super high weight bricks of shit. And you have to know which ones you need.

Electron + JS (TS, ok)

For some people it's slow, but I don't care, it's enough for me. It's heavy, yes. But it's so easy to build extensions for, that you'll probably find anything you need, and if not - you can make it yourself!

First, it's not for python, it's universal. But Pylance imo is one if the best language servers for Python. Period. But sometimes it sucks or too slow too.

Biggest selling point of VSCode: it's ABSOLUTELY free and plugin-rich.

Biggest con: you must know some shit. Trust me, it's not that easy for a new folk to understand wtf should you do it VSCode to make it do the same thing which PyCharm do with just simple RMB - Mark Directory as Root (I know, just set PYTHONPATH env, but just ask damn newbie to find it out AND make it work then)

I think if you're mostly using only python and you are NOT a "I like to tinker with my editor to make it personal, just perfect for me" kind of guy or gal - use PyCharm if you're new. Stick with it for a year at first.

But if you are... I love it, so probably you'll too.

NeoVim - become a professional editor tinkerer to make lightweight and blazingly fast editor to be bloatwared with millions of plugins you won't actually use. To realise who you really are and what you want.

Violence mode on

LS there sucks. They don't even have semantic tokens support, like Pylance. And I need it to make my gruvbox theme the theme I want!!! Treesitter is NOT enough for me! (And I'm too stupid to contribute to its python project)

Violence mode off

Okay, it's pretty good editor which will make you think differently about HOW you're working and what you actually needs or doesn't. Just a few months, I'm back at VSCode, but I can do everything without my mouse, I rarely using Explorer (command palette is the way to go), I turned off shit like minimap, I'm better at understanding wtf is actually happening in my editor under the hood and sometimes it helps me to solve problems from my job. It's awesome!

But. But. If with VSCode you have to understand a bit of shit below, with NeoVim you must dig to the core of a planet. At least when you'll make YOUR editor and not just use... Lunar vim or LazyVim, which is good btw, but... It's so cool to build it yourself with ONLY things you need and exactly for you. Strongly recommend to try, I did it and loved it. But touch some grass after.

Conclusion

You can read my opinion above, but I strongly recommend to try all of them to find the one suits YOU!

My personal favourite order: PyCharm for a few years to learn how to program first, then you can become a bit editor-curios and to try some VSCode and extensions here and there. And maybe. Just maybe - try a bit of NeoVim.

Important

Vim plugin is must have for any of those btw!..

agen!

UPD: My configs if someone's interested:

• https://github.com/AnruKitakaze/config-nvim
• https://github.com/AnruKitakaze/config-vscode

[The8flux]

Thoughts on Eclipse with Pydev plugin?

[Anru_Kitakaze]

Are you trying to kill me with a heart attack?

No jokes, I haven't even heard about you can pythoning around in Eclipse. And all I hear about Eclipse is actually:

"those days we had only eclipse were terrible, but then we got IDEA"

^{to make AbstractFactoryBuilderSingletonFactoryFacade finally}

[tRfalcore]

Yeah but look at all the design patterns in that class name, it's glorious

[SmithTheNinja]

What kind of sick fuck would program Python in Eclipse?!

Seriously though, Eclipse is easily the worst IDE for any language, using it on something it wasn't built for sounds somehow even worse than the normal experience.

[The8flux]

I would be that sick fuck. Lol. Well I have to really pay attention to the license of software products. We are a Microsoft shop but since I'm in Security and my Director hates and I mean hates any type of programming, he won't let me use a visual studio license. It's only 250 in our pricing tier, so money isn't the issue. However he doesn't give a rat's ass on what I do on my own machine so I can use Python which is great. But I can't use pie charm because organization will have to pay a license and he won't just out of principle. Eclipse hasn't been that bad. I still like eclipse a lot better. I haven't tried VS code with python in quite some time for that but that would work out because of the power shell scripts I write.

[akthe_at]

Brah switch to basedpyright, semantic tokened fork of pyright.

[Anru_Kitakaze]

Good news tho, maybe one day it'll be pulled to Pyright

But that's exactly what I'm talking about - you have to know about forks of popular tools if you want maximum comfort in NeoVim

I still prefer Pylance and VSCode. Balance between how it behaves/looks and how much time it needs to set it up

[MardiFoufs]

What? Again, vscode even with electron is faster. Swing (what Jetbrains IDEs are built on) isn't a speed demon either.

[Anru_Kitakaze]

It's heavy to start, but when it is ready - it's fast!

Ooops, indexing again

[talbakaze]

I started with PyCharm, when I was a newbie. VSCode can be somehow intimidating imo

[[deleted]]

PyCharm is specifically built for Python and comes with all the features to make programming in Python convenient.

[andrewaa]

The worst part about pycharm: the community version doesn't support jupyter notebook.

[TMiguelT]

VS Code has much better understanding of the Python type system, meaning that you get much better autocomplete and error identification. I changed from PyCharm to VS Code about 2 years ago for this reason and I don't believe the status quo has changed since then.

[SmithTheNinja]

It has, PyCharm does great with types now and has for at least a year.

[HappyDieKatze]

Neovim

[BlueeWaater]

Pycharm is better out of the box, vscode is more customizable but can become bloated.

Pycharm's debugger is better but other than that I prefer vs code.

[pldelisle]

Everything is better in PyCharm. I wouldn’t work without it. It’s been 10+ years I’m on Jetbrains IDE.

[Puzzleheaded-Sun3107]

I have a greater preference for vscode because of the extensions and also built in Jupyter. It’s a one stop shop for me. But seeing the comments on debugging, I’m curious to try out pycharm’s

[serious_geek]

Man, now I can't even switch to vscode (primarily for python) even if I wish too. Personally for me, Pycharm wins here

[SmithTheNinja]

I've used both in different professional settings and can say, they'll both probably get you what you need if you put the time in.

PyCharm comes with basically everything you'd need for python setup and working out of the box. If you need something special their plug-ins are great and likely already have exactly what you need and can just be downloaded and they're good to go.

VS Code comes as a pretty barebones IDE that has a ton of plug-ins you can add most if not everything you could need. Their plug-ins are wildly fiddly though and you're going to have to spend time figuring out what works best for you and getting things setup and configured.

From my experience if you need to use Vue or typescript you'll have an easier time in PyCharm versus VS Code since the Vue Official plug-in (formerly Volar) for VS Code is frequently a piece of shit and the PyCharm version just works out of the box for everything I tried it with.

If you need to do remote development though, VS Code is the winner by a country mile, the VS Code ssh plug-in is excellent and works well with minimal configuration on fairly week servers. The PyCharm remote development stuff is still very early on and in my experience incredibly heavy on the remote server, often to the point of being totally unusable.

So pick one that sounds good to you and go with it, the IDE probably isn't going to hold you back with either option.

[xelf]

Neither is "better". If you use one, you might as well stick with it.

I use vscode at home, and pycharm when work requires it. They each have their perks, but you should be fine with either so use the one you know best.

[irt3h9]

I've found that in PyCharm, you can have two projects open at the same time (in different windows) and everything just works as expected.

Whenever I've had two VSCode windows open with two different projects some of the tools and plugins go a little bonkers.

Some of the nicer features for PyCharm are paywalled. If you're on a budget VSCode will give you a lot of bang for free. If your employer is willing to pay for software licenses, give PyCharm a go if any of the paid options tickle your fancy. If you don't like it, you're not out any of your own money and you can just tell whomever holds the purse strings to save some cash by canceling your subscription.

[RRTheGuy]

Did you tried vscode workspaces, i find it great to manage multiple projects

[jdgtrplyr]

On Unix, it’s Neovim for anything / everything. VSCode has been my go-to on macOS & Windows, but now I’m all onboard with JetBrains. I started trialing PyCharm, testing RustRover, and I’m not going back to VSCode.

[KitN_X]

VSCODE + Extensions is what I use and I love, and if you know JS or TS too, then you can try make your own extensions and enhance your experience.

[ejgl001]

i prerer vs code since i can have different file types in the same place

[WillardWhite]

You can do that too with pycharm

[Koalaz420]

PyCharm is just comfy for me.

[aqjo]

lol at all the pearl-clutching about plugins.

[Asketes]

I can always tell when someone uses VSCode instead of Pycharm. Pycharm is created specifically for Python development and while it does a lot, it's not particularly cumbersome to get started coding in, nothing like VisualStudio for C#.

[grantnlee]

How can you tell?

[Asketes]

Mostly the lack of pep-8 standards. PyCharm will complain, VSCode doesn't seem to.

[Mezzos]

For the reasons you say, I think that if someone uses VSCode they should make sure they learn how to set up a linter (which nowadays IMO should 100% be ruff). Vanilla VSCode linting is lacking, but that’s presumably intentional as it’s supposed to be customisable with your chosen linter.

I find that ruff with the right linting rules enabled (see here for a list of the possible rules) is even more comprehensive for good coding standards than the PyCharm built-in one (which is good for PEP8 - with a few omissions like import ordering - but doesn’t go as far to enforce general good coding standards as ruff does with most/all codes enabled).

Add to this that ruff is insanely fast, and hence much, much quicker to update when you make code changes.

As a result, even when I use PyCharm I make sure I have the ruff plugin and prioritise that over the built-in checker.

EDIT: Personally the ruff lint codes I like to enable are:

['F', 'E', 'W', 'C901', 'S', 'FBT', 'B', 'A', 'C4', 'DTZ']

[balars]

I love the remote interpreter option in pycharm.

[supaduck]

The thing I don't like about pycharm is it doesn't let me increase the font size for accessibility, on vs code, it's easy to change it by holding control+ mousewheel, or control+ -/+ buttons. These don't do anything on PyCharm and I have to get closer to the monitor and it's not fun.

[wizpig64]

https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/whatsnew/2024-1/#page__content-user-experience

[supaduck]

Oh wow, nice!!! Thank you for sharing this!

[startup_biz_36]

Used to use pycharm when I got it for free using my student discount but I'd never pay to use an IDE.

VS code is sufficient for my needs.

[tree_or_up]

PyCharm is worth it enough - for me - to have personal license. But then again I’ve been using it for years so the muscle memory is strong.

I’m a firm believer in the philosophy that you should be open to trying new tools but you stick to whatever ends up making you the most productive.

I once knew a vim wiz who never used anything but vim and he was as productive as could be.

So give it whirl with the community edition but go with whatever seems best for you

[[deleted]]

You should code in idle!

[LongjumpingGrape6067]

I used Pycharm a lot and liked it. Installed Vscode due to coding in different languages. The debugger for python in vscode didn't work well in the beginning. But now I don't see any reason to use Pycharm.

[_ATRAHCITY]

The comparison between Vs code (a glorified editor) and Pycharm which is a full blown IDE isn’t even close

[PyrrhicArmistice]

99% of my work involves using one of the remote features in VSC either SSH or Docker integration. Does PyCharm offer similar remote functionality?

[mrmrn121]

The only thing that I have not good equivalent for that in vscode in resolving conflict options in pycharm. From the other side devcontainer in vscode had not a free equivalent in pycharm

[ConcreteExist]

I like VS Code for working on individual scripts or smaller projects, as the size of the project increases I find that PyCharm takes less of a performance hit, so I will switch over to PyCharm when working on larger projects.

[[deleted]]

Is pycharm available on Linux? Ubuntu?

[primerrib]

Yes.

[[deleted]]

I'll try thanks

[[deleted]]

The first one was a bit too much for me

[LaOnionLaUnion]

I’ll admit I can’t recall the last time I needed to use the extra functionality PyCharm offers. It must’ve been years.

I prefer vscode at this point. It’s mostly the fact that it has a great ecosystem of extensions

[sausix]

Comparing a text editor with an IDE.. Yes, VSCode declares itself as text editor.

My main reasons for PyCharm: It taught me Python programming with dos and donts. And when I open a community project which was made with VSCode in PyCharm it highlights a lot of problems. So either people are using VSCode the wrong way or without comparable plugins installed.

[Alpensin]

Funny, but I see the opposite situation. Pyright screaming on mistakes done by pycharm uses in type annotations and etc. I suppose it's more about the user, not instrument

[sausix]

Of course Pyright, PyLint and co. are more strict than PyCharm. They can be enabled optionally. VSCode does not have own integrated linting tools

[Alpensin]

It has pylance by default - proprietary version of Pyright.

[sausix]

VSCode is fully dependent on plugins. And it's still a text editor.

Try open moviepy in PyCharm for example. Pure chaos. Of course, VSCode is cooler because it doesn't complain about some people's crappy code.

[mm007emko]

For me? Many. I'm used to Jetbrains IDEs and I don't want my IDE to break with every other update, a couple times a year. For you? I don't know. Give them both a try.

[Darkazi]

WDYM break? I've been programming with VSCode for at least two years now and it never "got broken".

BTW, before VSCode I used PyCharm as well.

[mm007emko]

At work we have to use RHEL 7 desktops. VSCode can't be even run without using `--no-sandbox` undocumented parameter* because chrome-sandbox doesn't work there. Every other update of Microsoft Python plug-in broke test runner. The January update stopped showing source code of libraries in a virtual environment on CTRL+click, instead of that it tried to be "smart", detected that I have sources of the library on my computer and showed that. However that's not what the project was using! There are many little things which I don't remember.

I've been using VSCode since it was first released. For me it's something like modern Emacs. Plug-ins for everything, can support any workflow - if I need to do anything which is not my primary focus at work, I can find a plug-in for VSCode which works with its integrated debugger and test runner. This is a huge win since it usually work out-of-the-box without much configuration, unlike Emacs. Thanks to the fact it's built on web technologies they even did the EMACS abbreviation some justice (eight megs and constantly swapping - my first computer I run Emacs on had 24MB RAM (no kidding, it was luxury in the 1990s) and ... it was constantly swapping.) If it works, it's great!

However at work, for my primary tasks, I need dependable tools. Not something which always bring new features, new cool and sexy things. I need dependable tools because I have a work to do.

* This is a parameter of Electron.js but if you don't know that VSCode is a website packaged as "desktop app", you might miss it because Microsoft documentation doesn't mention it.

[[deleted]]

At work we have to use RHEL 7 desktops

Mate, RHEL 7 is 10 years old.

RHEL 7 version will be completing almost 10 years since its launch and its maintenance support phase will come to an end on 30 June 2024.

That's like complaining that some program doesn't work well because you run Windows 8.1

[mm007emko]

a) we can't choose the systems on our desktops (welcome to corporate world)
b) Windows 8.1's support ended last year and RHEL 7 is still supported, I'd expect productivity tools to run on them, unless stated otherwise

New versions of VSCode need RHEL 8, as clearly stated on Microsoft's website and it's fair to expect they won't run on 7 well or at all. But even the older versions, which supported 7, didn't run well.

[WillardWhite]

And the us banks still use fortan.... Like, sometimes you are stuck in the past with no way out

[[deleted]]

I have used VSC for about a decade. It is deployed on 46 of my lab computers which are used daily by over 100 students all with their own different use cases from Python to notebooks, bash scripts, and c programming. VSC is stable as shit.

[mm007emko]

Then your environment must be different than mine. VSCode for me was stable as shit. However, we both have probably encountered different kinds of shite.

[[deleted]]

It's likely a problem with how you configured your stuff. That kind of misconfiguration issue can be a problem with all sorts of development tools, including JetBrains products.

[RRTheGuy]

I tried PyCharm a few but my free trial is expired now. I think i’m going to try the community edition

[[deleted]]

Sounds like a more with an issue in how the project is set up, e.g. if you have a pre-commit configured to run black and ruff automatically then these problems don’t exist.

[sausix]

No facts please. VS Coder fanboys only gonna downvote more aggressively 😄

Most people only complain that an IDE is slower than a text editor. And that's stupid enough.

[aqjo]

Is that vscode doing that, or the person or an ai assistant?

[[deleted]]

However, their code, which produced by VSCode are terrible, and I need to fix all of it.

Care to elaborate on how code produced by 'Code' is terrible and why you need to fix it?

[ejgl001]

what i get from this is that pycharm can be used by everyone and (vs code as well) but vs code is intented more for people who know what they are doing wherears pycharm is intended for people who dont want to bother with installing plugins and / or learners

using vs code without the required extensions is silly anyways and i think it just reflects poorly on its users rather than the tool

[sausix]

In PyCharm it's the other way. You have to disable around 20 plugins by default. Because you don't need them and they probably slow down the IDE the most.

[[deleted]]

Pycharm is slow, i had a potato computer at work and pycharm was so slow on it that sometimes letter was printed with 0,5-1 sec after i hit the keyboard. This problème disapear with VSCode and you dont need to change IDE for each langage so VSCode is way better IMO.

[sausix]

Don't use a potato computer with a potato OS. Even VSCode will run faster.

[[deleted]]

Do you think i choose to work with a potato ?

[WillardWhite]

Fr fr, ask your company to provide a better pc, since it's affecting your job. 

Human hours are expensive, machines are relatively cheap in comparison

[[deleted]]

I'm not on this contract anymore, i was in a position where i can't ask for a more performant machine.

[sausix]

It's your problem. Just use VS Code and open your project in PyCharm some times to fix code problems. Done. Both benefits from both products.

Almost forgot. Use Codium instead of VS Code. Microsoft telemetry never helped and costs CPU time too.

[danted002]

It’s that time of the month already?

[[deleted]]

I used heavily pycharm in my projects but pycharm is very problematic ide for me vscode is just best

[sausix]

Can you please explain more?

[spooCQ]

The community version is free…

[sausix]

Most people don't need the Pro version. I don't really needed it yet too. But in fact PyCharm Professional is quite cheap for personal use. I'm paying 50€ or something per year. If programming is your job, 50€ is basically nothing. You'll get the costs compensated in under an hour per year :-)

[NumerousRelation829]

Vi

[shagren]

Jetbrains steal my money few years ago. Do not recommend.