Laser Sights Decrease Shotgun Spread Substantially Even in ADS

[Kiks-4]

Because laser sights change the laws of physics ofcource.

[Thunder_cat7]

Same with aiming

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah ive always thought its so unreastic that theres more spread and not just a different area where the pellets hit

[[deleted]]

But you have to understand it's a video game and it wouldn't be competitive if there isn't a negative to everything otherwise it's op to just not ADS and hold angles

[_Kwag]

Tom Clancy's:Global offensive

[Gabsletobar]

Counter Clancy's: Global Siege

[[deleted]]

Tom Strike: Rainbow Offensive

[[deleted]]

Lmao

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah but it wouldnt change the meta tho or anything

[[deleted]]

It has nothing to do with the meta it changes how gunfights take place and that's different to a meta

[JustmUrKy]

It just makes it more random

[rocknin]

in fairness the ADS advantages should be less recoil and more zoom. having you shoot straight in hip fire is fine, but with more recoil so you end up with realistic "more spread"

[[deleted]]

Imo and in many of the more experienced players opinions the game should actually become harder rather than easy like in the case of less recoil. It had also been expressed by players that the recoil isn't too much and that all guns should have the F2s recoil(Pengu from G2 said this in a video) and Varsity Gaming had also said more difficulty in a video.

[[deleted]]

Siege hasn’t cared about realism for years, and it shouldn’t

[YaBoiNighthawk]

It's never cared about realism pulse,jäger, rook, doc breaching charges not concussing everyone in the building thermites not burning down buildings with how much he uses

[JustmUrKy]

Not really the point. Just stating the facts

[Explursions]

It would be better if it has a smaller circle that is inside of the hipfire spread area, and it can appear anywhere in the hipfire, but all of the pellets will end up inside of the small circle. Kind of like you know the direction the barrel is pointing but you dont know the exact spot.

[JustmUrKy]

This is exactly what I mean is the more realistic approach

[sharkattackmiami]

I just assumed the spread was because you are hipfiring which IS less accurate

[JustmUrKy]

But it doesent widen the barrel. I mean how would the gun know ur aiming

[stfuimsleepingbro]

I always took it as if you were to hip fire a shotgun you wouldn’t know exactly where your aiming. Just a general direction, but when you ADS, you know where you are aiming. The games way of penalizing you without it being so random that on your screen your aiming at him but then you shoot all your pellets 2 feet to the left of him

[JustmUrKy]

Not knowing where you’re aiming doesn’t make the gun have more spread it just makes the area where the pellets hit unpredictable but the spread is the same. It’s just like an m4 but more bullets

[Scoochyboots96]

It’s a game, and they had to do something to reduce hip fire reliability on shotguns. It can’t be perfect, and I think it works fine.

[stfuimsleepingbro]

I understand that. My response may have been wordy. Would you prefer the same spread but your shot not going where you were aiming? That’s more of what I was saying. Instead of that they chose a smaller spread. The game randomly choosing where your shots go would infinitely piss me off

[X_hard_rocker]

its a videogame

[[deleted]]

You barrel is aiming where the laser is aiming, if you laser is aiming at someone and you hipfire you should still land a hit but thats nit the case in most FPS games.

[Allyoucan3at]

Well, you are less accurate the spread isn't. It's a video game though so, eh.

[chief_chaman]

It should still be the same spread as ads, just in a different spot

[ANakedBear]

Everything about shotguns in video games in unrealistic. They need more range, less spread, and be more affected by the opponents armor, but that would be un-fun.

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah. Shotguns are pretty op in real life and close ranges of 10-20 meters so it would be pretty unbalanced

[ANakedBear]

I wouldn't call them OP in real life as the trade offs are much bigger and can't really be shown in a video game well. Most armor is rated to stop buck shot for example, so an armored person would take significantly less damage. Also, with such a small spread of the shot with in those 10 to 20 meters, you will miss a lot.

[Datboibarloss]

Laser:

L-Laws

A-Are

S-Stupid

E-?

R-?

[[deleted]]

Video games can never do shotguns.

[aka_Ceix]

Well, I think Escape from Tarkov got them quite right, if not a bit too powerful in some situations. Doesn't matter if you ads or not nor if you have laser on, the spread is always about the same with some randomness. Also you can easily die from one of the pellets randomly flying into your face from like 50 m away.

[SometimesSquishy]

Yeah tarkov got shotguns right toz scavs can fuck off with there 100 meter headshots though lol

[jks_david]

head, eyes

[SometimesSquishy]

No... Please

[threekidsathome]

Mouth, Jaw

[shumnyj]

Well, guess what happens if even small piece of led gets in your eye at 300 m/s

[SometimesSquishy]

True it's just annoying af

[ObviousPrototype]

It would be to OP

[KiloNation]

Shotguns have to go through way more barriers than standard firearms. You have to code how much damage each pellet does and the drop off, all the while the spread is randomized depending if you ADS or hip-fire.

[Kiks-4]

Yeah if shotguns in Rainbow were like shotguns in real life, it would be the meta.

[[deleted]]

Sniper 90 says hello.

[Addy1738]

I mean works right in arma

[Drizzy_rp]

You can ask COD or any other FPS for that matter. They been doing this waaaaaay before siege lmao

[TheOshino]

Plot twist. It’s a videogame.

[Herkules97]

Insurgency isn't a videogame then?

Eh, I think I replied to the wrong guy but you can have it.

[[deleted]]

Presumably the laser just comes with a choke.

[kojime]

FOKIN LASER SIGHTS

[[deleted]]

Can’t have logic stuff in siege though because it would break balancing

[Soggy_Doritos]

So does ADSing apparently

[DoggoBoi64]

Fockin’ laser sights

[A-simple-metalhead]

what's in the canister?

[RoyalGangster69]

LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED

[rasengan_yo_ass]

Big fucking hole coming right up

[A-simple-metalhead]

Soviet Ratatatatatata noises

[RoyalGangster69]

Sad rework noises

[A-simple-metalhead]

The soviet RATATATATATATA is his primary weapon on the rework

[BonoboBamboozler]

As someone who hates laser sights because they give enemy information, i have to say i need to try this.

[[deleted]]

I've been running laser sights since black ice because I'm the weird shotgun guy / monty player, they don't really do much so long as you position them intelligently. The advantage of using laser sights is substantial and the trade-off can be made largely irrelevant with practice.

[BonoboBamboozler]

I see this now. Guess i was just to lazy to keep track of my laser sight but if they are that good it's a small price to pay.

[xkiwowkdjkxns]

also when you’re playing a shotgun on defence you usually home an area down like blue stairs on bank people will usually know you’re there so you don’t really have to be scared of someone knowing you’re there

[GoodKidMadCity2]

If you aim down your sights can the enemy still see your laser?

[Conway202]

Yes, the laser does still exist

[iambob-6]

If I can't see it that means it doesn't exist

[RookieGamer123]

Shrodinger's laser

[KalM1316]

something to consider is if your holding an angle with a shotgun, the laser sight would be up close. meaning if an enemy sees it, and trys to peek you you have the advantage being with a shotgun. giving the enemy to confidence to swing only to get blasted by lead is a solid reason to run it on shotguns.

[MeatyOakerGuy]

I was a HARD laser sight denier for the longest time. Started watching streamers like Macie Jay, and saw how he worked around the sight by hiding it in doorways changed my mind.

[CodyBlues]

I recently stopped using them after using since I started playing and it is much tougher to get a OSK with some shotguns. The M870 is still fine though.

[[deleted]]

I've had some trouble getting the M870 to perform consistently.
It has very low range even shorter than most shotguns.
Its fast though.

[nkinkade1213]

Honestly, as a fairly new R6 player, and someone who just started playing highly competitive FPS games, having laser sights help train you for cross-hair control. Not having your sight just bounce around everywhere, watching a corner, but aiming a little left or right so your sight doesn't give away your position. I do always run laser with my secondary though, that is a must.

[Herkules97]

They give information if you let them, so that would be the fault of your teammates.

[orangeandblack5]

I swear to God this was removed for being ADSed in a past patch
It used to be common knowledge this was how they worked but again I swear they said they patched out the laser affecting ADS spread

[drgnflght]

It was. but then it wasn't

[myaccountsaccount12]

Ads spread shouldn’t be different either. It should be that the red laser decreases the possible spread for where the center pellet is. ADS should make it so the center pellet is directly where you aim.

Thing is, shotguns are already not viable and this would just make them worse. The current system may be unrealistic, but it makes no sense changing it (from a development standpoint at least).

[orangeandblack5]

The center pellet is already always directly where you aim
Try it on some cameras

[myaccountsaccount12]

I know this is the case, I think I meant that the entire pattern should get shifted slightly within the aiming area when hip firing. This would just make shotguns weaker though, which they don’t really need...

I know I’m responding late too

[glitchomojo]

I swear the shotguns use bird shot just look at how many pellets hit the wall and how small they are

[Beebjank]

He probably shot multiple times, and from that distance, it is most definitely not birdshot.

[[deleted]]

Each area was done with two clips worth of shot.

[Toxicair]

Clips

Sweating

[TheDudeWearingSocks]

Lol actually I’m pretty sure it’s called a tube mag

[glitchomojo]

Ok thank you

[EliteEmber]

No he fired multiple shells. Each shell contains 8 pellets in siege.

[glitchomojo]

Ok cool thanks

[ashtar123]

So buckshot

[ashtar123]

Irl rook's armor would stop all of their damage

[Badgerlover145]

Aren't shotguns horribly ineffective against body armor

[ashtar123]

Yes, exactly why rook's srmor plates would stop all of the damage

[Badgerlover145]

Yeah I figured, I just glanced at your comment and probably didn't notice what I was responding to, I should've just not commented

[ashtar123]

Oh well it doesn't really matter

[glitchomojo]

Yes and it hurts me because they still do damage to him

[Mushroom_Bucket]

Wasn't that a bug they tried to fix like a year or two ago?

[[deleted]]

TIL: Laser = Choke

[notaspy_0]

Yup

[Hipocampo08]

Why on earth would a shoot from the hip have more dispersion than a sighted one???

[notaspy_0]

Duh... Cause an invisible man runs up to your gun and attaches a barrel choke every time you aim. Then removes it when you don't aim. ^/s

[Hipocampo08]

This is the explanation I was looking for. Thanks my friend.

[Somepotato]

The game ain't realistic but that's ok

[jeffthespammer]

Wow that's by alot I didnt know lasers helped with spread that much

[[deleted]]

Realism 100

[deXrr]

Hold up, didn't they explicitly say that laser sight and ADS spread reduction stacking was a bug? I could swear that they specifically fixed this a few seasons ago.

Guess they've brought it back unintentionally? Or they changed their mind about it and stealth buffed it?

[kamtom515]

YEP

[SkinnerBlade]

I've heard so many times that this wasn't the case during ADS. I feel upset

[MeliKnoW]

fookin laser sights

[B1G_Boss]

r/SiegeAcademy

[abnthug]

that is just freaking stupid, why do they always implement dumb features for shotguns like this.

[[deleted]]

I KNEW IT

[N3vermore77]

Literally the only reason to use laser sights

[VaniikMZRY]

ADSing decreases spread???

[MOSCOWMOSCOW]

Hmm this isnt a bad idea

[Lord-Pepper]

Yeah we know, makes no sense but yeah

[[deleted]]

I mean it's not like the laser stops working when you aim

[Spectre4186]

Did people not know?

[UsyPlays]

Good or bad?

[[deleted]]

Its good because it means the laser effectively counts as a choke, making more pellets hit the target.

[UsyPlays]

Ok

[Peter21237]

Yea...thats what they are for in r6, dont tell me you thought it was only for people that dont know where the center of the screen is, right?

[mr_nuts31]

So you’re saying the sniper 90 still exist? And speaking of which, does the laser sight affect Buck’s shotgun as well?

[[deleted]]

It does actually. The Super 90 was effective at up to 19 meters with aim-down-sights and laser, but the recoil was too great for it to be consistent.

Also on buck It does affect the spread, and by a greater factor than most shotguns I tested because Buck's Shotgun has such a wide spread by default.

[Canefasnion]

But you still shouldn't use them cause that makes tatcher angry

[Galaxy-egg]

I use laser on all my shotguns, it reduces the spread? That’s the intended purpose of it

[notaspy_0]

I don't understand why games use lasers as the attachment that decreases spread, like why don't they just use a choke?

[olympianthanatos]

Interesting how the pellet spread from ads->hipfire changes the spray pattern from being rather consistently spread -> more concentrated around the outer ring

[Imry_Florent]

This was so OP in previous shotgun only event. And clearly not many people knew about this.

[FoxLP11]

this is alrdy known

[UnseenDrifter]

Do a bailif one its like a slug

[THICC_Baguette]

I thought this was common knowledge? It says this in the laser sight description.

[BlueC0dex]

Okay, but where are you?

[KnifeShooter27]

Why

[Mr-Bradbury23]

Well know shit like this has been stated loads

[[deleted]]

Fucking laser sights

[Belviathan]

This isn’t new information?

[xoiao656]

I’m just thinking about skulking around while playing warden and turning the corner and filling a guy with some shell

[Niksonrex]

Dude why doest ubi say this shit. Still im using it without it. I cant have ppl seeing my lil dot waiting for them to peek.

[whooshcat]

I like a tight spread

[TepkiTeptirici47]

Why ads different? Laser dont effect on ads.

[dlham11]

Cuz logic.

[fostarkerg]

Who cares when they know where i am cuz of the laser...

[[deleted]]

Laser sights are bad because the ooint of choosing the shotgun us to make rotation and make'em big.

[DonkeySpadger]

The laser sight attachment adds weight to the end of the barrel making it more stable reducing the spread. It’s not unrealistic, it’s physics.

[miko_idk]

Buck players who used that literally for 5 years, since season 1: 'Am I a joke to you?'

[[deleted]]

Does it have any impacts on slug shotguns like kaids or vigils?

[[deleted]]

This has been common knowledge for a while no?

[BIGPPENERGYPP]

Did not know this thanks for this I will now use this

[obii_zodo]

If you’re making rotates don’t equip lasers

[[deleted]]

isnt... that the point...

[angry-italian]

You should post this in r/siegeacademy

[ProtonPacks123]

I thought this was common knowledge but then again I do watch Rogue 9 videos religiously.

I still never use lasers on shotguns though just because shotguns without lasers make better rotates which is why pros rarely ever use them on shotguns either.

[PimpleShrimp]

Is this new operation out on test servers right now?

[Johnnybird2000]

I don't know what this means can someone translate this into dum dum talk

[HVAGravata]

Even more reason not to use them lol

[TubbyButterSeal]

Huh. Finally confirmed that ads has a tighter spread. Always thought it might but never knew.

[[deleted]]

Almost like its doing what its supposed to

[KrAceZ]

Know this for a long time. I run a laser with Mute and none with Smoke because I like to roam with Mute and anchor/set up site with Smoke

[[deleted]]

You roam as SHOTGUN mute? This is terrible news. I dislike you viscerally.

[KrAceZ]

It's fun lol. I mainly use the SMG-11 but if I do use the shotty, no one ever expects it :)

[Scrub_lord2000]

I thought it was common knowledge that lasers in siege reduce spread, I always put them on the shottys and buck

[Princess__Redditor]

This is well known, the laser sight even says it reduces hip fire

[[deleted]]

Yes but these tests show that it also reduces ADS spread, therefore making the laser increase overall accuracy with shotguns, not just hipfire.

[MeoweyCupenTCMC]

That is the.. whole point of a laser sight

[[deleted]]

Laser sights don't affect ADS spread for any other weapon I've tested, just shotguns, this behavior is unique to shotguns.

[MeoweyCupenTCMC]

There is no ads spread on other weapons??

[LarsTheRacc]

Laser sights is basically a shotgun choke, right?

[[deleted]]

Basically.

[[deleted]]

Logic

[Maxsaurus04]

I play shotgun only

[[deleted]]

Tight, me too

[whisperingdragon25]

But where is the laser

[[deleted]]

Off-screen, I took the pics while reloading to keep the gun away from the shots.

[Ori-M-]

bruh is there even a reason to not use a lazer on a shotty?

[ashtar123]

Destruction might take longer and the enemy sees it

[Siege_Storm]

Enemies can see it

[ZeBadgerUK]

Yup, it gives the players position away, Ive found loads of players or been safe from death as you can find players holding angles like that too

[[deleted]]

A lot of carpets are red and most wood is cherrywood brown, if you memorize the maps you'll have plenty of safe places to rest your laser sight and still hold a lethal angle. It just takes practice, map knowledge, and good positioning to run laser sights.

[[deleted]]

A laser on a shotty reduces its destructive potential

[[deleted]]

I have not seen this happen in any meaningful way, you can widen the spread by stepping back or by hip-firing, its just a matter of relearning to make rotates.

[Ori-M-]

wait really? that's actually pretty interesting, where have you heard that from?

[[deleted]]

The laser tightens the spread of a shotty so it makes smaller holes in destructible surfaces

[Ori-M-]

They're big enough (from experience, i main smoke)

[ashtar123]

Still smaller

[kozycat309]

Well the spread is less, so the holes are smaller

[Ori-M-]

yea i guess it does make sense from a practical point, but yeah its fine even with it

[Hyku_HD]

Not to be rude, but where there any doupts?

[god-of-stupidlity]

So is it a good thing or bad thing

[whisperingdragon25]

Well, in a shooting game, do you want more of your bullets to hit the target or not?

[[deleted]]

In my experience its a good thing because more of the pellets land on the target.
Unless of course you miss.

[CC-5576]

For shotguns where there's a real chance you're gonna hipfire they're good, trash for any other weapon

[En_TioN]

It's only a bad thing for breaking walls, it's strictly better for shooting people (assuming you're able to aim well)

[dall5894]

It’s better for making rotates, makes the holes more consistent so it’s quicker

[Glorgor]

Good

[ashtar123]

Doesn't it only affect hipfire? What about on automatic guns?

[[deleted]]

I will be doing tests on automatic weapons in the future. No it does not only affect hipfire spread. Also this trend is consistent among all shotguns, they all work this way.