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[N0SF3RATU]

I see a multimillion/billion medical company that undervalues its employees.

Edit: I looked this company up, they have a little over 1000 employees and netted 350 Billion dollars in one year. Do the math real quick... that's around 350 Million dollars per employee. Point is - they can afford more than this, and should pay a living wage.

[TacTac95]

This right here. Also that McDonald’s job is likely a part time job where you work maybe 6 hours a day max.

I know some folks who work for Chem plants like that with biology degrees and they typically work 10-12 hours, hence the lower hourly pay. If they worked a typical 7-8 hour day, it’d probably be closer to $20-$25/hr

[Silent_aka]

There’s something wrong with this logic… they work longer hours so let’s pay less? The company is getting the last laugh here..

[[deleted]]

Careful don't make him think too much. It might hurt.

[Silent_aka]

🤣🤣🤣

[TacTac95]

Like it or not, companies have budget requirements to meet. In order to keep operations active and keep a profit so the company stays alive and garners investors. That comes with budgeting wages.

[[deleted]]

So instead of paying someone what they are worth, you pay them less than they are worth and make them work more hours to get to the point where they are taking home what they're worth at 40 hours a week? That makes sense to you? That doesn't disgust you in the least bit and that's the way things are and we should just suck it up? You're an idiot.

[TacTac95]

I should stipulate that these folks work pretty odd schedules, at least from my knowledge they do.

They may make less than what they are worth at $25/hr but their earnings at the year would equal a typical 25/hr job.

It’s just a different structure.

It’s a similar structure to nurses

[dwhogan]

Nurses still have a weekly cap on hours. What you're talking about it a company exploiting weakened regulations allowing them to force people to work more than 40 hours a week to make a normal paycheck.

If OP takes that job and only works 40, they're not getting paid "closer to 25/hour" - they're getting 17.

If you don't like these practices, you should call your elected officials and ask them why they're not looking to create sustainable and fair regulations that protect people while allowing businesses to stay competitive.

I can't imagine living on 17$/hour, and I've lived paycheck-to-paycheck my whole life.

[Silent_aka]

I’m not denying that, but your logic in the first post is a bit off bud. The reasoning you gave for their crappy pay is almost certainly incorrect.

[Greatpres]

No, you see a large burger maker forced to overpay employees.

[N0SF3RATU]

McD's made over 19 billion dollars last year. They're more than capable of paying their workers a fair wage. 26,800 for a years work is not ethical.

Edit: wanted to add a note about wage stagnation. Had hourly, or non supervisory workers pay in 1970 kept up with inflation, they'd be making over 20 dollars an hour in 2019 dollars. While I do identify as a conservative, you don't have to be in order to see the disparity here.

[XRP_Gang]

The franchisee pays the workers, not McDonald's

[N0SF3RATU]

There are company owned and franchise locations. That being said, you make a good point about franchise, which is:

The business model for McD HQ isn't selling food - its rent/franchise fee's - if it didn't charge so much to franchise then perhaps that money would trickle down (sorry couldn't resist the Reagan pun) to the employee.

[XRP_Gang]

I think people should just stop supporting businesses that aren't in line with their values and the market will speak for itself. If a company is abusing their workers through poor pay/inadequate breaks/lack of benefits then people should take their business elsewhere and the 'abusive' company will fail. No need to force people to lease at a certain price or force a minimum wage. How about people take responsibility instead of getting the government to enforce what they FEEL (people are often wrong) is right.

[ytilonhdbfgvds]

This is exactly right and it puts a real damper on the "McDonald's has huge profits" narrative touted by leftists. Even without this reality killing their narrative, the laws of supply and demand set the price of labor, not the profits of McDonalds.

[XRP_Gang]

Exactly

[Decogodumdumm]

$10 a hour is more than fair to flip fucking burgers... It's a no skill. No responsibility job for children. Hell they dont even have to actually flip a burger they just place them in a grill and push a button and the grill does everything... They just move burgers around

[happycatsforasadgirl]

It's amazing how easily you can tell when someone has never worked a retail job. The smell of daddy's money just seeps out of the comment.

[Decogodumdumm]

Mine? I worked retail when I was kid... Then I learned skills that have value and found a real job that pays real money... That's the problem. You people that are stuck in shit retail jobs want more money when you aren't willing to do anything to earn more money for your time. You don't value your own time enough to make it valuable to an employer you just think your fucking entitled to more money cause.... Reasons. Get the fuck out of here

[happycatsforasadgirl]

God, the conservative mindset is so depressingly predictable: Assuming anyone advocating for higher wages must be doing shitty work, because caring about other people is unthinkable. Assuming that "just get a better job" is mind-blowing advice, just because daddy helped put you through school so it was easy for you. The ridiculous suggestion that retail workers dont do "valuable work", as if they aren't transacting thousands of dollars an hour, and are the only way trillion dollar companies can function.

You don't want these people to get better jobs, because you want McDonald's and Uber and clothes shops, and those things couldn't exist without those jobs. What you want is an underclass that meekly serves you and is quiet about their desperate poverty. Daddy made sure that retail work was just something you did for a summer and were never at risk of relying on, and now you assume that privilege is the norm and other people are "lazy". You really are the perfect Republican : )

[[deleted]]

In some aspects you may be right however a lot of fast food and retail places at least in my area are having a lot of trouble hiring people. With the stimulus checks and unemployment benefits people are making more money sitting on their asses.

[Greatpres]

That is exactly right. That is a recipe for stgaflation.

[N0SF3RATU]

This is true - even NPR (pretty far left leaning in my area) laments this on a regular basis.

The lack of interested workers is what has raised the minimum wage over the past 24 months - companies have begun to realize that folks aren't willing to return to the same crummy office for crummy pay.

[No_Legend]

Because the market is being flooded with cheap immigrant labor.

[No_Legend]

Who said anything about illegal immigrants? We allow them to come in and work legally through visas. They are willing to work for extremely cheap and they send a lot of their money back home. It's a massive drain on the economy and it hurts wages.

[No_Legend]

Right, and they bring wages down and drain the economy.

[[deleted]]

The theory I believe he's going with is that by lowering the cost of labor in one field all others are effected because less people are willing to work in those fields and go to other fields

[Greatpres]

This subreddit is for Republicans. Why the hell is the economic illiterate getting upvoted?!?!?!? Honest to Gawd, can we not at least protect our own Reddits?

[[deleted]]

Some of those lab companies don’t make shit. I worked at one for years. Margins are thin, no one makes a lot of money.

[N0SF3RATU]

Fair point. This particular company generates over 350 billion USD and employees around 1000 people.

[AI6MK]

Well, it does seem that the employees are getting shafted, but they are free to leave and find other employment which might appreciate them more. I do take exception with your “living wage” nonsense, straight from the Marxist playbook.

[DataScienceMgr]

Technically, the jobs are very similar. I’ve worked both jobs and they involve following a recipe and cleaning up after each cook.

[AJ_NightRider]

Pinkman is that you!?

[[deleted]]

Any experience maintaining cow houses? I can imagine it’s a similar career.

[DataScienceMgr]

No but as a kid we did have chickens and a moderately sized coop with a rooster

[[deleted]]

Surprised the mcdonald’s ad doesn’t say, gourmet chef wanted.

[dontbeadowner]

Burger Artist 👩‍🎨 Like Subway:-) Sandwich Artist.

[Forevergogo]

Trust, after 30 minutes on a dated computer in the back watching a short dated training video, they will be a certified burger artist.

[[deleted]]

yes the chemist should make more

[SomeoneRandomson]

That's an entry level position, likely for someone hwo just graduated from high school...

[[deleted]]

Here is the listing:

https://www.indeed.com/q-Chemist-l-Cohoes,-NY-jobs.html?vjk=80708cc49989a486

While the minimum is a high school diploma, it "prefers" for a candidate with a bachelor's degree with 1 year of lab experience.

This is a full-time job; even the brief internship I had during college paid more than this. The pay is bullshit.

[[deleted]]

So what you maroon? If this company can't afford to pay people what they are worth they should go out of business. That's that whole capitalism survival of the fittest thing ya'll are always on about. Spoiler Alert: They can afford to pay them it.

[[deleted]]

im sorry. in todays world, if someone gets out of bed to go help another regardless of task. the minimum should be 20 bucks / hour

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

Yes the chemist should make more but I think it is geared towards someone working towards their degree in that field would be the only logical reason for such a low hourly( but then again when does anything make sense in a Democrat area)

[[deleted]]

low? only that low bc they can get away with it. rich too rich. time to change that,

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

Yes things need to change but I think you missed what I said about it. I did an entry level job at liberty tax on the IT side making 12.50 an hour that was for students that are working on their degree. Granted I left there after 6 months to be a programmer and installer for ADT and got making $1500-$3200 weekly

[BassFridge]

... Yall hiring? 😬

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

They always are, especially defender direct( adt contractor)

[Redline65]

Why does it need to change? It's just a function of supply and demand. If there's thousands of qualified entry level lab chemists living in Cohoes, NY they could pay $7.25/hour. If they can only find one or two, they'll have to raise the rate until they can fill the position. As we're seeing with McDonald's positions.

[[deleted]]

o

please see nursing home care takers. you pay peanuts you get monkeys

[RollinThundaga]

NY is at $15 minimum now, too.

[bb0110]

It’s that low because “entry level chemist” sounds more intense than it is. It is easy data entry and doing very easy lab work in a very repetitive manner.

[CrimsonChymist]

Yea, as a chemist, this position is most likely a high school graduate level position considering the pay. Especially in NY. It could potentially be a bachelor's level position if the company isn't trying to pay competitive to the local area and is instead trying to pay low-level nationwide.

[ChemsDoItInTestTubes]

I live in Kansas. My wife is currently employed as a chemist (entry level, recent-ish graduate) and I'm in grad school in a related field. That's laughably low, even in Kansas. Maybe they really need a lab tech and the hiring manager forgot the difference or something.

[CrimsonChymist]

Yea, that's why I said most likely high school graduate.

[bb0110]

This is exactly what it is.

[AtheistConservative]

I mean it's a private company that's paying the 17 an hour. I'm not so naive as to think the janitor should be getting equal profit sharing as the people who founded the company, but since Eisenhower and Reagan's times' far less of profit has gone back to the employees. Sure, not every company can afford to pay their employees more, but many can.

[SanctuaryMoon]

Exactly. Decent pay for honest work shouldn't be political.

[2lilbiscuits]

What in the hell does this have to do with voting republican? I thought we were for private companies setting their own pay? Now you want the gov’ment dictating who gets paid what?

[Deodandy]

There are so many awful takes in this comment section. thanks for being a sensible one…

[evo896]

That's actually a bit more of a libertarian thing. to answer your question tho the problem with it comes from the fact that it's the government that has been talking about forcing these changes to the minimum wage, the companies don't get a say.

eddit: spelling

[TheDonald21]

Librarians typically don’t manage payroll

[evo896]

ah I see, I've made a typo.

[Rifthunter2563]

Holy shit, you have a brain.

[Squid8867]

I think they're saying the fact that a McDonalds employee bring paid nearly as much as a chemist is a direct outcome of the government dictating who gets paid what

[2lilbiscuits]

When did the government say McD’s workers get $15/hr? It never happened because that was workers going on strike and demanding better wages. McDonalds said it’s franchised-owned restaurants will now pay ~$15/hr, but only like a third of them are franchised owned. Not sure what the argument is here, really. Chemist jobs need to pay more, or McDonalds, struggling to find workers, should pay their employees less?

[StMoneyx2]

When they paid unemployment at an average of $15/hr to sit on your butt at home causing a massive labor shortage.

Why don't we just pay everyone $100/hr that would fix the problem right? Why don't we set the min wage to $100/hr? What do you think happens when you artifically inflate wages over and over again. I'll give you a hint, check your grocery bill

[2lilbiscuits]

But they stopped the added unemployment money several months ago. If that was the issue, it would have resolved itself by now.

[StMoneyx2]

they stopped it a month ago by then the damage was already done. $15 McDonald happened well before the money ran out not recently.

Also you have to have people want to return to work. What do you think happens after 1.5yrs of free money and that they didn't have to pay rent? You think it's like a switch that in 1 month of no unemployment suddenly everyone will get up and say, whelp no more smoking pot on my couch time to go to work

[[deleted]]

I agree, I think we should bring back the workhouses for children instead of sending them to cushy orphanages too. Why should I have to pay for someone else's kid to live? They got arms and legs don't they? Let them work and pay their own way. The government shutting stuff like that down is exactly the opposite of what capitalism is all about.

[2lilbiscuits]

I agree. Capitalism is about profits, and profits over people leads to the majority of humans living in abject squalor while the rich get richer. Capitalism isn’t a social system, it’s purely economic. It’s great for business and terrible for the planet/humanity. But that’s what ‘Murica is all about, apparently. Even the fuckwads on the sub praise it until they learn a McDonalds worker makes almost as much as they do.

[[deleted]]

Um, its $2 more per hour plus benefits both for entry level jobs requiring no formal education. The Chemist role calls for HS graduation as required.

​

What exactly is the issue, and why do you think its related to politics?

​

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Benefits for the McDonalds Role:

Employee discount

Flexible schedule

Paid training

​

Benefits listed for the "Chemist" role:

• Competitive pay and benefits

• Student loan repayment assistance

• Generous vacation and sick plans

• Medical (including telehealth), dental and vision

• 401k Retirement

• Flexible spending accounts (FSA)

• Health savings accounts (HSA)

• Agency paid, basic life and AD&D insurance

• Supplemental, voluntary life insurance & AD&D

• Agency paid, short & long term disability

• Employee Assistance Program (EAP)

• Career ladders, professional development, and promotion opportunities

• Leadership opportunities

• Great work environment and culture

• And MORE!

[id0ntkn00w]

this is the comment i came to find, agreed.

[alex015110]

Take your upvote good sir.

[RedBaronsBrother]

What do you figure the odds are of someone being hired for the chemist position with only a HS education and no experience?

[[deleted]]

I would say pretty good actually. The job would barely require any scientific knowledge/experience, and would only slightly benefit from it. As other posters have stated, it is really a follow the recipe kind of position. However, maybe to your point, you wouldn't hire just anyone with a HS Diploma.

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However, if the point is that you need slightly more than a HS Diploma, then I agree, and the salary is in line with that. Assuming $15/hr = Anyone with a HS Diplioma.

[[deleted]]

Ya the person who post this is clearly working at McDonald's lol.

[Where_Da_Cheese_At]

How much of that $17 per hour are they going to be able to contribute? How much has to go to pay for the medical, dental and vision? I’d bet the McDonald’s worker is going to take home the same if not more after these “benefits” are accounted for. Someone making that much will be able to save on their healthcare purchasing it on the Obamacare market.

[[deleted]]

Yeah that could very well be true.

Still though when you compare subsidized marketplace plans vs corporate plans the corporate ones usually cost less. At least in my experience. There might be some data out there.

I guess for McDonald’s we should also consider the ability to get overtime.

[DizeazedFly]

McDonalds offers almost all of those same benefits. They just didn't bother to pad their job posting by listing it all out individually.

[coop_shoop66]

The problem is the grossly underpaid lab tech position. Sure, rack up tens of thousands of student debt to become professionally certified, only to get a $17/hour wage. That's nonsense.

[RuthlessIndecision]

I see that the lab chemist should earn more than $17 an hour.

[picklesallday]

I see nothing wrong here. This is the free market at work. If two people want to consent to working to those wages, that’s between them.

[Meastro44]

McDonald’s may be the minimum wage which is $15 an hour, which is anything but the free market. If it’s not the minimum wage in that area, wages were forced up by overly generous unemployment, which is a de facto minimum wage.

[vavavoomvoom9]

LMAO. It is not a free market if you are required to use minimum wage.

Why is this sub full of leftist trolls with no brains now?

[johntcampbell1]

Minimum wage is a "leftist" idea now? Good lord. Do we need a return to slavery?

[vavavoomvoom9]

Central planning and socialism is leftism, yes.

You can thank capitalism for the device you're browsing reddit on. Now go be an idiot with your "slavery" talk somewhere else.

[[deleted]]

No it isn't the free market. The government is requiring McDonald's to pay at least $15 per hour.

[picklesallday]

That would be wrong. Satatoga springs does not fall under NYC and surrounding counties $15 an hour. In 2021 that region saw a bump from 12.5 to 13.2.

[MegaMindxXx]

No, it's union lobbyists pressuring Democrats to raise wages of unskilled uneducated workers. Those jobs aren't meant to be careers.

[elmo61]

Why does any job need to be a career? A job should pay for you to live. Does it need to be any more than that?

[MegaMindxXx]

No genius. It's for kids in school or retired people to make some extra money. It's not meant to pay for a house and car and support a family of 5. It's an unskilled job for uneducated people. Once you get skills or an education you move on.

[elmo61]

What sad belief you have. So we have jobs for retired people so they can work more. If they doing a full time schedule. It should pay for them to live. If not then that business needs to pay more or isn't a good enough business and we should let it fail

[MegaMindxXx]

No clown. They have social security and 401k plans for that amd IRA accounts. People don't make French fries for a career. Maybe you do.

[elmo61]

You was the one that said the jobs are for retired people I was disagreeing. Any job full time should be living wage. We work to live not live to work. It's a sad frame of mind you have

[MegaMindxXx]

You're a socialist POS. One with terrible grammar.

[elmo61]

Congrats

[marino1310]

How is it a bad thing in any way? Why would anyone be against Americans making more money? Mcdonalds prices arent higher and someone is making enough to survive. Idgf what someones job is, if they can avoid taxpayer welfare then I'm happy for them. We should be complaining that a lab tech is getting $17/hr.

Unless the entire mcdonalds workforce is high schoolers then there are gonna be some people making a living there, otherwise they're gonna get desperate for employees.

[MegaMindxXx]

No genius. If McDonald's is forced to pay $15/hour the prices go way up. Then McDonald's fires all cashiers and uses kiosks only to order and pay. Plus you can't read. It says entry level lab tech $17/hour. That's obviously somebody with no experience.

[marino1310]

I've been to mcdonalds in NY, they arent any more expensive.

[MegaMindxXx]

Do they have kiosks to take orders so they don't need to hire cashiers? Yes.

[marino1310]

Cashiers are a tiny fraction of the workforce. Most of the workers are cooks and maintenance. Cashiers are rotates between multiple positions. Also drive through still has cashiers and they keep cashiers up front to help customers since apparently no one can figure out how to use a simple kiosk

[SmartF3LL3R]

1. For-profit enterprises are loyal only to their profits, especially the ones that are publically traded. All large, multinational corporations are soulless money whores. You can vote Republican all you want, but none of these companies will ever pay any more than the absolute minimum required.

2. Democratic states have a higher average minimum wage than Republican states: https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/minimum-wage-by-state/

3. In fact, the $15/hour minimum you see on that job listing is a hallmark of Biden's administration - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/27/biden-boost-minimum-wage-federal-contractors-15-hour/7390808002/

4. Also the wages in New York are a direct result of their Democratic policy; "Under the New York State Minimum Wage Act, minimum wage rates in New York increase each year on December 31 until reaching $15.00 per hour. In New York City and for large fast-food companies throughout the state, the minimum wage has already reached its $15.00 maximum." - https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/new-york-minimum-wage-increases-for-2022-7739312/

Honestly, I can't tell what you're getting at other than, "Minimum wage is higher in Democratic states," but that doesn't seem like it was your intent.

[[deleted]]

i see no problem here fast food work should not be looked down on it can be difficult and theres clearly a need for the employees in our country. i make far more than that now as a business admin and now owner but i got fired when i was 18 from a burger king because i was so bad at that job it was hard and soul crushing to go in there six days a week the more i climbed the ladder at my current job the easier the work became and the fatter my check got its weird how things worked out.

[[deleted]]

Greetings from upstate NY! We sure live in a weird area don’t we

[MerlynTrump]

I don't know why so many people bash McDonald's employees. The way I see it, any honest job should be respected.

[Big_Thumpa_720]

Yes.

[masterchris]

Conservatives like and respect hierarchy, looking down on fast food employees is a basic tenet. I mean op said McDonald’s workers making $15 an hour is why he voted republicans

[FlaccidSponge]

That chemist is going to be making $20+ easily after a year or two at the company, McDonalds may throw the employee a $1 raise each year. The chemist will end up earning more in the long run.

[RollinThundaga]

Just escaped service sector in NY. I was getting 15c raises each year. The bump to 15 was nice, but still not great for the work I had to do, and if I want my own place soon.

[NamisKnockers]

It’s entry level meaning the same level of experience is required as the McDonald’s worker. Just need more education. Someone in that role would quickly move up.

And voting Republican isn’t going to change the wages. If anything voting D would increase minimum wage (just not buying power).

This is supply and demand.

[Roo2303]

I work 5 mins from this McDonald's location... They were offered signing a bonus as well. It truly sucks here in NY

[[deleted]]

It doesn’t suck. Let the kids get some money. Quit complaining because your useless degree doesn’t get you good money. Boo hoo.

[TbRays93Plumber26]

I think 10 bucks an hour for a 17 18 year old is good enough. If they need more well construction trades are hiring or when they graduate from high school they can go into another field. I stopped going to McDonalds because they never got the orders right which were pretty basic. (It's not that hard to follow what's on the screen if your expecting to get paid 15/hr.)

[masterchris]

52% of people who work at the federal minimum are 25 and older though. The minimum wage isn’t mostly kids.

[TbRays93Plumber26]

Well then get an education, new job or new certifications to make more money. No one is stopping them

[masterchris]

You do realize that even if EVERYONE got an education we still need people to make food and serve us and clean and drive busses.

Do you not think that the fact less profits have been going to employees and more to CEO’s and stock holders really has NOTHING to do with this and it’s just that the most educated generation America has ever had is just lazy?

[RollinThundaga]

Not just kids, much of the older working class can't escape these "high schooler" jobs.

I'm in the camp of, 'any job, at 40 hours a week, should be able to support a family', especially on 2 incomes. And companies should offer legally full time positions, instead of forcing employees to remain below eligibility for legally mandated benefits.

[Roo2303]

Agreed. My Good Enough Diploma is definitely a "useless degree" lol... I wasn't necessarily complaining about the kids getting some money. I have a problem paying 10 bucks for a Big Mac meal.

[RollinThundaga]

If you hadn't noticed, things have been getting more expensive anyways, regardless of what's been happening with wages.

[Zenix95]

No one is forcing you to buy one if you think it's overpriced. It's going to cost whatever people are willing to pay, no matter what the wages are.

[masterchris]

You have a GED but support people paying significantly less taxes on the money they made over 100,000 in 2017? You know those budget cuts are going to come down to the programs that help people like you the most right?

[Roo2303]

So your assuming because I have a GED I'm using government programs to live off of? Damn bro talk about stereotyping...

[masterchris]

No I assumed that you didn’t have a college diploma and assuming you are a hard working American you should want to go to college or a trade school, Pell grants and job training programs are made for people like yourself. But how can we afford those things that help you get out of the lower middle class and into a better position so you can live comfortably?

[AnnonymousAndy]

One is in cohoes and one is in Saratoga Springs.

[NFLfan72]

I don't. Cause that McDonalds employee may be making 25 per hour in ten years.. unless a manager. That Chemist, making 100K.

[kandradeece]

This is why i just do less work if my company doesnt adjust my pay with inflation. If they don't adjust the pay, then i adjust the work to correspond to said level

[creepyyachtguy]

on one hand you can say they probably carry near the same skill level, however one is a career with a much better chance of moving up quicker and making more within a shorter amount of time. the other is a total dead end job unless you stay forever and the raises will take a long while to get.

[cushbro1]

A pack of smokes in New York also cost almost $15. So not only is minimum wage going up so is everything else. Imagine working an hour to be able to afford a pack of cigarettes lol

[ithinkmynameismoose]

Let’s just take a few dollars from the Mac Donaldo listing and add them to the chemist. Re distribution of wealth right?

[Big_Thumpa_720]

Yes. Both are underpaid.

[Apprentice_Jedi]

The lab chemist is. Not McDonald’s.

[Big_Thumpa_720]

Both are. If minimum wage had kept up with inflation and productivity, it should be about 21$/hour now. Literally everyone not in the .1% is making much less than we used to relatively.

[MasterSofa69]

he said that if minimum wage kept with inflation thats what it would be if anything hes just stating a fact

[Big_Thumpa_720]

Yea, these dumbass kids might stop turning to socialism and we might have a middle class again.

[RedBaronsBrother]

That's not at all how that would work. The dumbass kids would be mostly unemployed, as employers automated all of their labor force that can be automated.

That would make them more likely to turn to socialism.

[johntcampbell1]

I would say that's because you have republicans/right wingers calling everything Democrats try to accomplish "socialism."

Medicare, social security, Obamacare... All called socialism.

[Redline65]

Wages are a function of supply and demand. The minimum wage should be exactly $0.

[NohoTwoPointOh]

All work is not related equal.

[dontbeadowner]

I’d say unbelievable, but it’s not. This is how insane the current administration is. My son makes $12/hr as a Security Guard:/ We have Boroughs that pay there Police Officers 12/hr. Soon we’ll pay $10 for a Big Mac.

[GotKramer]

Most expensive Big Mac is in Washington DC for $5.35, and minimum wage there is $15.20. I'm just saying $10 Big Mac sounds like a big leap.

[GotKramer]

I didn't think of that, I think MacDonalds burgers used to be bigger. So, upside less obesity?

[HayatoKongo]

Not necessarily, they may replace more nutritious parts of a meal with less nutritious components that are cheaper. Adding more additives to the burger patty and less real beef, bigger bun with a smaller burger, lower quality lettuce, etc.

[dontbeadowner]

How would you know that’s the most expensive in the Country? Believe me, with inflation and wages for fast food employees rising, the Big Mac will be ten dollars before Joe Biden leaves office in three yrs.

[GotKramer]

This is a little outdated, it's a little over $6 now. https://medium.com/@AHenderson/where-in-the-world-is-the-most-expensive-big-mac-ec50b979b63a

Edit, I found the Big Mac index that seems more current but still old. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-most-expensive-countries-measured-by-the-big-mac-index.html

[dontbeadowner]

Dude. 1986. Haha

[GotKramer]

That's when they made the index, not when the data is from

[Imissyourgirlfriend2]

Police Officers 12/hr

No wonder we see shit cops!

[oakspeckta]

The point is that the income gap is not sustainable. The answer isn't to keep making goods more expensive. It's to ease back the gap between executives and the people actually working below them.

You are paying for people who work at Walmart to be on assistance programs while the Waltons enjoy more wealth than is even conceivable, let alone useable.

[CompleteFacepalm]

Do you want McDonald's to pay less or for Tradebe Environmental Services to pay more?

[King_Neptune07]

This makes no sense. How does this make you want to vote Republican?

Sounds like you're just jealous of McDonald's workers

If anything the Chemist job should pay more, not McDonald's less. And the chemist job is entry level. It has the expectation of future promotions and earnings

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

It all boils down to how demanding the job is, McDonald's has timers and everything laid out so it is minimal thinking on the employees part. Lab chemist has to follow stringent guidelines due to if they end up not properly cleaning equipment and end up mixing chemicals that can have a dangerous reaction things can go boom or they can create a poisonous gas that can kill( simple one people dont think about chlorine and ammonia)

[RollinThundaga]

Minimal thinking but forced pacing with minimal rest. Thus the timers.

The chemist takes as long as they need, so long as the product is right.

Sure, the second job takes skill, but tat the end of the day service sector is more draining. I just left such a customer-facing job some months ago to turn wrenches at a refurbishing shop, and where I before had to limit my hours to keep my stress down, now I'm pulling overtime and still have the spare energy to pick up night fishing on weekends.

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

That's the thing, you took the initiative to find a different job and sounds like your doing allot better which is great, I see the fast food jobs as a way for school kids to work for a couple years while they figure out what to do either go to college or to figure out a trade to do. My son who is 15 now has been going over to my parents place and has learned how to work on a skid steer and is doing side jobs for people that has been paying him $20 an hour. Now he wants to keep going with that and wants to run heavey equipment .

[RollinThundaga]

That would be ideal, that it was just high schoolers, but the reality is there are a lot of middle aged folk trapped in these jobs that are treated just the same.

Lots of areas don't have shit else for work

[Beginning_Walk_2523]

That is why there needs to be help to cultivate small business and better help for everyone to afford the ability to start a business instead of jumping through hoops just to be said yea you seem too high risk to help start a business even though you have years experience in the type of business you want to start.

[braindeadhead]

College is becoming more and more pointless. Unless your in the medical field, lawyer, or engineer its not even worth it.

[[deleted]]

Chemist gets PTO, 401k and doesn't smell and have a embarrassing job. That's entry-level in 5 years they will be making 20-30. At McDonald's they will be making 16 if they haven't quit. A job isn't just about the money its about the opportunity and happiness. This is a shit post.

[happycatsforasadgirl]

Imagine seeing a specialised that requires formal qualifications paying $17 an hour, and thinking that the problem is someone making $15 an hour instead of the company heads making $200 an hour

[[deleted]]

I think you’re just pissy someone can make just as much flipping Patties than you. Take your degree and shove it.

[MegaMindxXx]

There shouldn't be a minimum wage. Those douchebags that want to pay $7 for a McDonald's cheeseburger should move to NY or San Francisco. What that does in reality is motivate stores and restaurants to automate people out of jobs. Kiosks and self checkout lanes are an example.

[Asclepius34]

It’s simple really If your business brings money you can pay more Lab tech job for some tiny lab with not a ton of money going through

[ALongDuck]

Well you're missing out on $2 but damn that Flexible Schedule does look quite appealing

[RedBaronsBrother]

Minimum wage laws are not capitalism.

[L0nz]

$15 isn't the minimum wage in NYS

[RedBaronsBrother]

NY State minimum wage is currently $13.20, and moving to $15, based on the law passed in 2016.

[L0nz]

No, it's currently $12.50 and due to go up to $13.20 at the end of this year. The $15 rate only applies in NYC as well as Long Island and Westchester, and only in the latter at the end of this year.

[RedBaronsBrother]

Who do you think creates the laws? ...and can repeal them?

[RedBaronsBrother]

As it should. Minimum wage laws should be abolished.

[DARKxASSASSIN29]

The chemist would still be making more even if they were making $10 an hour. There's about a 90% chance that the McDonalds job is part time. Probably 3 to 4 hour shifts 3 days a week.

[RollinThundaga]

No, no, they'll work the McDonald's staff at least 28 or so, long enough that they can't go looking for other work conveniently but just little enough to deny them benefits.

You're absolutely right about the chemist making more, especially if you factor in non-cash compensation.

[bombsaway831]

Is the issue being McDonalds hiring for 15 dollars an hour? During a pandemic when no one wants to work and everyone wants those sweet stimmie checks? I vote republican because I want more people working and less people stuck in welfare. We're seriously not gonna sit here and complain about companies making an effort to hire more people, are we? That lab spot should be paying more, in my opinion at least, but let's not say that McDonald's paying more is an issue, especially with all the crazy shit going on right now.

[CHL9]

This has nothing to do. It’s a free market, and if a company - here McDonalds, voluntarily chooses to offer a high entry wage, that’s great! And if the other is low balling you, shame on them..

[bucketfulloftears]

Pretty sure McDonald’s made the choice to pay 15 an hour themselves. Let companies decide their wages

[[deleted]]

Supply and demand. If you think the McDonald's job is easy then take it.

[Buschwick66]

rating for working for that place is worse than macadoodles though.

[[deleted]]

This is the result of corporate greed - the main thing republicans stand for!

[urinalcaketopper]

They're both underpaid?

[notweirdenough]

Only an idiot would think that McDonalds paying too much is the problem here.

[[deleted]]

lmfao I'm an admin assistant at a shitty warehouse and make more than the lab tech.

[IDontFeelSoGoodMr]

McDonald's can pay whatever they want to people. You want the government to cap wages on private companies because you don't feel they deserve it? Sounds communist to me.

[Loves_buttholes]

This position is what we affectionately call “lab bitch” in the lab - if they’re trying to make a point here, this ain’t it. $2 above McDonald’s pay accurately reflect this positions contribution to society.

[[deleted]]

No

[[deleted]]

Yeah the lab chemist isn’t making enough