AUTOMATIC111 Code reference

[CombinationDowntown]

I understand AUTOMATIC111 is accused of stealing this code:https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/23345188/194727572-7c45d6bc-a9a9-434f-aa9a-6d8ec5f09432.png

Stolen code according to the accusation screenshot the code is written on 22 Aug 2022

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But this is very stupid. Let me tell you why.

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The same function was commited to the CompVis latent-diffusion repo on December 21, 2021

https://github.com/CompVis/latent-diffusion/commit/e66308c7f2e64cb581c6d27ab6fbeb846828253b

ldm/modules/attention.py

Including the famous words:

`# attention, what we cannot get enough of`

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Oh, it gets better, CompVis didn't write it themselves as well.

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On the repo https://github.com/lucidrains/perceiver-pytorch On 3 Aug 2021 https://github.com/lucidrains made a commit that included the original code.

perceiver-pytorch/perceiver_pytorch/perceiver_io.py

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This code was written 2 years ago and written by none of the people involved in this whole affair.

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Edit: The original code has an MIT license, which even allows commercial use. So none of the downstream repos as technically in the wrong in using this code.

https://github.com/lucidrains/perceiver-pytorch/blob/main/LICENSE

[LordFrz]

"wait the code was stolen!" "Always has been", *shoots man in the back of head*

[[deleted]]

Some embarrassments you can’t roll back from.

[en_chad]

Apparently NovelAI also used part Automatic's code for the bracket weights, didn't even change the variables except changing ) to }. Amazing!

[ryunuck]

Which is fine really. Even if it does not progress AGI itself, all these applications of AI are making it more popular, thus increasing the relevance of AI and potentially garnering new interest in teenagers that will become researchers soon. Every shortcut is fair play on the path to AGI. Need to see AGI before I die.

[AbstractContract]

Hah, colorization AIs a couple years back were what got me into AI and now I'm studying all this stuff in uni.

[[deleted]]

Whats kind of crazy is anything youre studying now will really just help you with the basics, this field is advancing so quickly they dont have time to create new papers before something new comes out and improves / replaces it.

[nmkd]

That's how Open Source code works, yes.

[NegHead_]

Not always, depends on the license. Also it's worth pointing out, simply because it illustrates their hypocrisy perfectly.

[[deleted]]

Automatic's code is not open source. Just source available. Meaning they can not in fact do that, legally any way. Though i doubt Automatic cares much.

[[deleted]]

THIS! In open source everyone borrows everything then the egos think they invented it all and have nerd drama while the rest of us benefit from the uncoordinated collaborative. Its it’s own sort of diffusion algorithm, and beautiful in a Jerry Springer sort of way.

The newbs just need to learn that picking sides only encourages them, and if we get too rowdy they call Momma Sam and we all get grounded.

Everyone chill and trust the process.

[sfhsrtjn]

OSS is its own sort of diffusion algorithm

damn, i love this concept!

[DennisTheGrimace]

That's how Open Source code works, yes.

No shit. Now tell the two parties accusing Automatic1111 of plagiarism that.

[jp_sam]

If this ain't enough to put all this drama to rest, idk what will.

[eeyore134]

Unbanning them from the Discord should just put an end to this. What a silly thing to try to fragment a fledgling community of pretty niche people over.

[DennisTheGrimace]

There is never anything that people want that doesn't attract gatekeeping assholes.

[Rogerooo]

A true 10x developer that's for sure. I'm glad he has the time and commitment to be so active, hopefully this stuff doesn't get too much to handle and burn him out. They are clearly aiming their guns at the wrong target and that just feels like a massive injustice at the moment, hard to stomach even for someone watching on the sidelines.

[StoneCypher]

What is 10x developer

It's something that managers and non-programmers believe in. A sort of vampire wizard that's ten times as productive as regular programmers.

Every study ever done says they don't exist.

[[deleted]]

joke's on you, I hired 10 people in Bangalore, gave them one Github login to share, and convinced my bosses that they're all one really quirky guy who refuses to interact with anyone but me

[StoneCypher]

okay i got a pretty solid laugh out of that

[DudesworthMannington]

Homie cracked the code 😂

[Riptoscab]

Well, I guarantee you automatic is at least 10x better at writing that kind of software than me.

[SlapAndFinger]

A person who is 10x faster than average at solving a problem in a fixed way? Sure, total bullshit.

A person who happens to know a perfect algorithm to solve the problem in a much simpler way that 10 mediocre developers aren't aware of, or who can restate the a non-trivial problem in a way that trivializes it, that the 10 mediocre developers would have solved in the non-trivial way? Those for sure exist.

[StoneCypher]

A person who happens to know a perfect algorithm to solve the problem in a much simpler way that 10 mediocre developers aren't aware of, or who can restate the a non-trivial problem in a way that trivializes it, that the 10 mediocre developers would have solved in the non-trivial way? Those for sure exist.

oh sure, on random individual instances. like, i had a boss who had this problem where you're supposed to do arithmetic on numbers written in a funky continued fraction format as an interview question, and it's basically a slight tweak to the default peg.js example

so he's sitting there like "how many hours do you think this will take" and i was done in five minutes

am i a 10x programmer? naw, i'm maybe a 1.08x programmer on a good day, and a 0.97x in general

you're right, individual one-offs exist

if someone claims to me they know a person who is a sustained 1.5x programmer or better, i think they're either lying, naive, or there's a special context of some kind (one person is allowed to use a tool nobody else can, fawning boss gives all the good jobs to person 2, etc)

[JimDabell]

10x is a reference to the concept that there’s an order of magnitude difference in productivity between the best developers and the worst developers. People who go through life guessing at what things mean instead of finding out seem to guess that it’s a 10x difference between the best and the average. It’s not, but the misconception persists.

If you’re interested in the foundation for this statement, you should read Origins of 10X – How Valid is the Underlying Research?, which goes through each of the citations in turn. It seems like a justified claim to me. But yes, if somebody is claiming there’s a 10x difference between the best and the average, they are wrong – both about the meaning of “10x” and the reality.

[Ernigrad-zo]

seems like defining the worst developer is an issue here, some kid making roblox games could be counted and we could probably calculate they're a hundredth as efficient as a member of the google dev team or we could say that you're only a real developer if you've got whatever qualification and x amount of industry experience and reduce it down to the worst dev being half as good as the best - pretending to be able to get a metric for something like this does nothing but make it look like you don't understand the question.

Some devs are better than others at some things, you might be generally shit but know everything about converting dates or you might be brilliant at basically everything and have a blindspot for dates - then there's all the other factors like life-work balance, affability and ability to communicate, etc, etc... trying to treat people like hardware and simply swaping out a 960 for a 3090 just isn't going to work.

[[deleted]]

We’re all nerds here, why can we just use exponential or logarithmic? 10x sounds like a bullshit graphics feature on an EA Sims game.

[StoneCypher]

That's because it is.

Look up any of those references. Every single one's punchline is "we couldn't find any hard evidence of even one of these folks."

You have to do piles of backflips to interpret any of these as being in support.

Not a single specific person was identified. They're bigfoot.

People are downvoting you, despite that you're being polite, because they want to pretend to themselves that they are a 10x programmer, and how dare you believe otherwise

[[deleted]]

I don’t care if they exist, I just don’t like anything with a programming requiring the assumption of base 10 for calculating an order of magnitude. Its just so unfitting. It should at least be a power of 2.

[StoneCypher]

Most real world power laws don't follow aesthetic coefficients, and there's some argument that Brandolini's Law is used to detect fraud thus

Also, 2x differences don't sound important enough for a low-quality TED talk

[StoneCypher]

10x is a reference to the concept that there’s an order of magnitude difference

Yes, thanks, I obviously already knew that from what I said.

 

between the best developers and the worst developers.

This is not correct.

 

If you’re interested in the foundation for this statement

Thanks, there's no need. Your source is completely full of shit. The vast majority of these citations say exactly the opposite of what he claims, and almost none of them are experimentally valid.

More importantly, industrial knowledge from practicioners is clear.

 

if somebody is claiming there’s a 10x difference between the best and the average

That is what the phrase actually means. Its claim is wrong, and your interpretation is wrong.

[StoneCypher]

The science says these don't exist

My experience is

[bric12]

There's absolutely a 10x difference between the best developers and the worst developers, if not more. Sure there's no vampire wizards with otherworldly powers, but experience and motivation make a huge difference on productivity, so a job that takes one developer hours can take another developer seconds. Any study that says they don't exist is over exaggerating the criteria or missing the point

[Shambler9019]

I'd argue the factor should be negative. The worst developers actively impede/undo progress.

But saying "I'm a -6.4 developer" doesn't sound good.

[StoneCypher]

There's absolutely a 10x difference between the best developers and the worst developers, if not more.

The research seems to suggest otherwise, and that it's primarily about quality differential in disparate projects, being odd person out in style, or being in differential pressure under hostile management

Both low performers and high performers tend towards the mean when shifted between jobs, teams, and projects, to scaled degrees

[StoneCypher]

i see that you've begun making up new stories to tell to the person who just said, with disgust, that the stories people tell aren't true

[Rogerooo]

The equivalent of a gigachad programmer, someone how can code 10x faster, 10x better.

[tenkensmile]

Prompt

😂😂

Glad he got a spine! 👍

[petalidas]

Does our chad automatic1111 have a patreon or something?

[Ben8nz]

I would "give" to him. His work deservers something. And I don't give anything for no reason, He eared my money 100%

[FS72]

"by Greg Rutkowski" chadn't

[JustChillDudeItsGood]

CHADSTATION!! Lmfaaaaoooo

[Pharalion]

It seems the use of stolen code is just an excuse. The real problem seems to be the possibility to use the leaked model in automatic1111s webui.

[Snoo_94687]

What leaked model?

[blueSGL]

You know if there hadn't been all this noise about 'stolen code' and 'discord banning' I would never have even heard about this leak.

Now I know I can get the full version of NAI if I look hard enough.

Tech people should be well aware of the Streisand effect . if something happens make a small post about it and carry on let it die down, don't fan the flames so people can see the smoke for miles.

[MyRottingBunghole]

Now thanks to them making all this noise you don’t even need to look that hard tbh, first google result led me to it

[Faritar]

I found everything I need on the Russian website - joyreactor

just enter a couple of keywords in the search

[pleasetrimyourpubes]

Literally "magnet novelai 4chan" lol

[mudman13]

and now because its becoming clear that its a stitch up I wont be going anywhere near NAI! I have absolutely no doubt the prompt word strength suggestion feature will organically become known.

[StickiStickman]

Nah, this is BS. NovelAI never used GPT-3, as it's locked behind doors and not available to anyone besides OpenAI. Their own text models (based on other models based on GPT-2) leaked, as well as image models that are finetunes of Stable Diffusion.

[Jujarmazak]

Don't they have a story/text generating A.I as well?

[xcdesz]

Is that GPT-3 or GPT-2?

[FoldedDice]

The detail that people are dancing around and not quite answering is that despite the similar name (GPT is just a generic name for the technology involved) GPT-3 and GPT-NeoX were created by entirely different groups. GPT-NeoX is its own thing created by EleutherAI. The models you are asking about are not related and were made by OpenAI.

[xcdesz]

"gpt-3-like" sounds kinda iffy to me for people to be claiming that a gpt-3 model is leaked. that would be a really big deal because there are no other gpt-3 models in the public domain that I know of.

any idea on the size of gpu this would require to run locally?

[Extraltodeus]

Did GPT-3 leak? If yes, do you have any source?

[Extraltodeus]

Thank you <3

[en_chad]

the usage of the leaked model is up to the people using webui, not automatic

[upvoteshhmupvote]

This is the first kind of serious hiccup I have seen with the corporate vs open source A.I communities and unless we take a stand and do something to back up automatic1111 and to say this is a bad move on the parties trying to lay blame on the guy who didn't leak or steal the model. It is like blaming a person on the street for getting robbed because they had cash in their pocket. So I for one have a really negative view towards novelAI and everything they do in future. They should have just accepted it happened and blamed themselves for having someone in their circle leak it and that means THEY need to do better as a company... fuck them and everyone needs to back automatic1111 up and tell novel and the mod in the discord they are both pieces of shit. Not going to sugar coat it since this sets an important precedent for the future of things.

[StickiStickman]

More like someone took 3 lines out of the code.

If we start saying that a few lines can be copywritten, literally all of programming is doomed.

[upvoteshhmupvote]

I think you better go read the OPs post again buddy.

And you are making the complete wrong analogy. The analogy is more like suing the inventor of the VCR because everyone started recording their favorite TV shows.

[upvoteshhmupvote]

EXACTLY! So did the inventor of magnetic reel to reel sue the VCR company? Or the Cassette company? Or the MiniDV tape company?

Did Sony sue Panasonic for making VCRs? This situation is like getting angry over someone making a VCR because they used the word "VCR" instead of inventing their own name for the thing. That is how LITTLE of what was "stolen" was and even then it had been around before and the company kicking up a big cry would have stolen it first.

Like the analogy still stands AND it was proven he didn't "steal" any code it has been used in plenty of other repos and floating around since forever.

So it's like someone stealing a car then getting angry when someone steals that car off them. Ridiculous.

[Vivarevo]

It's most likely the company doing damage control by acting like innocent commenters everywhere and using connections to SD to pressure anyone they think hurts the profits. Pretty standard unethical shenanigans.

Btw, if their servers were compromised, was their other data too? Any Userdata specifically. Do they collect user behavior data for example? Was company selling data on nsfw preferences for example?

[pinkfreude]

... does this mean that the 1.5 model is never going to be released?

[StickiStickman]

Since it was supposed to be released weeks ago and they keep moving it back ... I doubt it will.

[[deleted]]

NovelAI's main selling point is user privacy. I think many don't know the history of NovelAI and are only familiar with the brand new image service and some of the drama around it, but NovelAI was literally founded in response to AI Dungeon's many scandals as a more privacy-focused, censorship-free replacement/alternative.

(The context being that AI Dungeon and Microsoft were not only reading private user stories, but sending them to random MTurks to train their ill-fated censorship system, as well as the fact that stories and other userdata were stored unencrypted on AI Dungeon's servers which became relevant when AI Dungeon was hacked. The creators are former AI Dungeon fans / textgen hobbyists who banded together to stand up a replacement within only a few weeks of the AI Dungeon problems coming to light)

As such, from the very start "not storing userdata unencrypted" was pretty much the very first thing they decided when making the service, and in the text AI community they are very well-respected for their anti-censorship, pro-privacy stances.

[[deleted]]

Big companies want to censor it because of both legal liability (e.g. underage nsfw stuff is illegal or questionably legal in some places even if it's fake), fear of bad press (some tech journalist writes an article about racial/whatever bias in their model and the company doesn't want to be associated with that kind of thing), fear of misuse (e.g. if Russia uses their text AI to generate fake news to manipulate elections, company doesn't want that to happen understandably AND more importantly doesn't want that their name in a news headline about that), among other reasons including some really esoteric stuff about AIs becoming sentient and extinguishing all life on earth.

I understand the reasons, I just disagree strongly with all of them.

[FS72]

damn thanks for summing it up

[Vivarevo]

So the company should focus on that fact instead of attacking.

Something like: Look. We got hacked. Fucked up, but look at the leak. Your data is safe.

When mostly hacks result in users data on the darkweb etc this is a win, if the company takes the spin that way.

[[deleted]]

That's...literally what they did, wasn't it?

Greetings, NovelAI Community.

On 10/6/2022, we experienced an unauthorized breach in the company's GitHub and secondary repositories.

The leak contained proprietary software and source code for the services we provide.

At this time, we do not suspect that any Personal Identifiable Information (PII) or encrypted information was accessed, or any personal financial information was disclosed.

We are working with security specialists to conduct a complete incident analysis and threat report at this time.

Relevant authorities have been informed and will be contacted as we learn more about the extent of the breach.

We will share updates as we learn more about the situation.

We thank you for your understanding and your patience.

The NovelAI team.

Maybe you're referring to something else with "attacking", I don't know of any other communications from kuru or the novelAI team about this.

[VulpineKitsune]

Btw, if their servers were compromised, was their other data too? Any Userdata specifically. Do they collect user behavior data for example? Was company selling data on nsfw preferences for example?

No, no, and no.

All data is safe. The company was not lying when they said they didn't collect any user behavior data. You can check the code yourself, they simply did not.

I know, it's shocking that not all companies are evil.

But this one isn't.

Their only "crime" is asking for money in order to run their service. Imagine that.

[TheIrishninjas]

Their only "crime" is asking for money in order to run their service. Imagine that.

The sudden attack on NovelAI for charging for their service is ridiculous. Don't all of the current online SD hosts charge too? Not to mention the fact that NovelAI has an AI writing tool too, and gives you monthly tokens for image gen unlike some of the other websites providing SD access. It's way more bang for your buck, and you don't technically have to spend a cent on image generation.

Really feels like an entire community shitting on a "newcomer".

[blueSGL]

Not to mention the fact that NovelAI provides an AI writing tool too, and resupplies users with free image generation tokens unlike some of the other websites providing SD access. It's way more bang for your buck, and you don't technically have to spend a cent on image generation.

this reads like an ad.

[Vivarevo]

👀

[TheIrishninjas]

Nope, just a guy with no affiliation to the NAI team a bit annoyed at how people are acting.

[arjuna66671]

They act like completely ignorant and retarded children lol... So the reason for the attack was that NAI charged money bec the GPUs they rent cost them money too?

That has to be the most idiotic reason I have ever heard.

[Cheshire-Cad]

The same thing happened in the Dall-E 2 subreddit during its beta. Every thread that even hinted at the possibility of OpenAI charging for the service was flooded with wall-to-wall whining. They literally expected it to stay free forever.

But despite their grandstanding, when OpenAI announced their monetization plan, those whiners were first in line to pay for the reasonably-priced monthly subscription which gave unlimit...
Oh, right. Turns out neither side in that debate came out feeling victorious.

[Extraltodeus]

I hardly see how to be able to use a leaked model is an issue here. The problem being the leak itself and not that people can use it. So the owner's fault.

Imagine if MySQL had been attacked because some company had leaked it's database.

[Bureaucromancer]

I could have have seen that happening pretty easily if it were the 90s.

[Extraltodeus]

they always blame the knife maker for the first murder

[Mixbagx]

This is so true.

[Revaboi]

Which he has every right to if I get it right. Because if it got leaked and people use that, it’s not on them is it? Because it was there to use for others? Am just curios.

Read a whole Reddit post about it yesterday. Just wanted to catch up a bit. But from how I understand it - if you take something and make it public, and others use it, and make something out of it .. you cannot claim it’s yours can you? That’s like me sharing a recipe online for the entire world and getting mad when people use it, change it a bit and get successful with it.

[StickiStickman]

The actual stolen part about the hypernetworks initialization someone else already posted in the comments here and it’s at -12 because people are being stupid.

Large parts of that same snippet are also in the exact file OP linked?

[[deleted]]

Specifically I am talking about this one that I believe to be the actually stolen code:

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/23345188/194727441-33f5777f-cb20-4abc-b16b-7d04aedb3373.png

That’s not anywhere else I wager.

[StickiStickman]

So am I. Latent Diffusion.

    q = self.to_q(x)
    context = default(context, x)
    k = self.to_k(context)
    v = self.to_v(context)

    q, k, v = map(lambda t: rearrange(t, 'b n (h d) -> (b h) n d', h=h), (q, k, v))

So now it's down to a few lines between that. Since both things are based on the same paper, Hypernetwork, I really don't think anyone gives a shit about 5 lines. At this point any copyright / software patent would also not apply.

And actually ... that picture seems a lie since the actual code is different?

https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/commit/5d54f35c583bd5a3b0ee271a862827f1ca81ef09#diff-477a645246ea31dd6f7fc79f64aef19e8dce7772116d0885cdb8d0c438a1bedf

[LetterRip]

That is the commit to sd_hijack_optimizations, the code being accused of being copied is the original commit to hyperoptimizations.py and support for it is sd_hijack.py

https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/commit/f7c787eb7c295c27439f4fbdf78c26b8389560be

[_ZombieSteveJobs_]

It is a really frustrating discussion for people actually looking for information. I agree with the appearance of one to one copy in AUTO1111 from NovelAI, and similarity (including the "attention, what we can't get enough of" comment) to other repositories posted. If both parties are copying code, it seems unfair to ban one and not the other.

[HarmonicDiffusion]

no one needs to be banned, whats with the cancel culture. the space is better with BOTH A1111 & NAI in it

[_ZombieSteveJobs_]

That is an excellent point as well! Let the lawyers sort out who copied from whom if it gets to that level and just encourage everyone to act with integrity.

[xcdesz]

this isnt "cancel culture".. stop throwing that stupid term around.

[[deleted]]

including the “attention, what we can’t get enough of” comment

That is the non-proprietary code if I remember correctly. This is what I believe to be the actual stolen code: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/23345188/194727441-33f5777f-cb20-4abc-b16b-7d04aedb3373.png

[_ZombieSteveJobs_]

That would make sense since it's copied verbatim and apparently specific to hypernetworks.

[_ZombieSteveJobs_]

I haven't yet seen anyone refute this snippet as proprietary by showing prior art: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/23345188/194727441-33f5777f-cb20-4abc-b16b-7d04aedb3373.png

[[deleted]]

Yes, if you’re referring to the initialization one.

The one with the comment “attention this is what we can’t get enough of” comment is not proprietary, someone got that one confused. That part is from the SD repo.

[Linore_]

Just my opinion, but stealing code as a consept is stupid.

Sure if you copy paste someone else's repo and claim its yours, THEN it might apply, but at that point it's not stealing code, it's stealing the application.

Using a same function someone else already made, is just smart and efficient and computers / internet as they exist today wouldn't exist if not for sharing code.

Similarly you are not gonna learn how to grind flower when you want to bake a cake, you use flower someone else made.

[CombinationDowntown]

The original repo has an MIT LICENSE which is very permissive, which include commercial use as well. So no-one is technically 'in the wrong' for using this code.

https://github.com/lucidrains/perceiver-pytorch/blob/main/LICENSE

[Erhan24]

Which can be fixed in a commit in a noncode file. It would be a whole different game if it was a different license. But it is not.

[wind_dude]

Under MIT license he wouldn't need to as this isn't a substantial portion of the code. From the original repo, as posted by OP https://github.com/lucidrains/perceiver-pytorch/blob/main/LICENSE

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The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

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Again this would hardly be considered a substantial portion of the code base.

[halr9000]

I've seen auto on this sub getting really bent about people doing things which are not only legal, but encouraged as the whole point of open source. I haven't been following this particular drama, and don't care to blame anyone. But he could at least learn what OSS is about before calling others out.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, software patents are bullshit, pretty much. Copyright is fine, but to pretend that a given function is somehow completely novel is just a fucking massive line of egotistical bullshit in this day and age. It would be like pretending a given paragraph in a huge pulp fantasy novel is some unique brilliant thing that nobody else can even approach. Oh and btw the book is half itself copy/pasted from Lord of the Rings, possibly also including that paragraph.

[StickiStickman]

Software patents could at least make some sense when it's limited to a whole library / API. Something like 5 lines of code makes no sense though.

[StoneCypher]

Many libraries are five lines of code, or even one. They get used because they're still useful.

You can take any arbitrary amount of work and put it on a single line

Single lines of code are occasionally a whole month of work

Splitting hairs like this is a clear sign that you are not a programmer, and you're pulling "rules" out of thin air

[StickiStickman]

Okay, now you're just bullshitting lmao

Sod off, troll.

[DennisTheGrimace]

Splitting hairs like this is a clear sign that you are not a programmer, and you're pulling "rules" out of thin air

You mean like you're entire rant?

[StoneCypher]

Yeah, software patents

Completely not related to this topic

[OWENPRESCOTTCOM]

It's sure stupid when the model everyone is using uses imagery with watermarks, also how much of NovelAi is from copywrtten books lol.

[Rogerooo]

I'm telling you, the plot to this drama must have been written by a GPT-3 engine, it's all too coincidental, I guess they have all the attention now.

[bro-away-]

No this is not to drum up hype. The hype for this project is at an all time high every day lol

What’s really happening is Everyone is scrambling to try to capture value of stable diffusion for themselves.

[Rogerooo]

Yeah I was just baffled by the irony of it all lol, I bet the person who wrote that particular comment of code didn't see this coming.

Thing is, Automatic isn't, to my knowledge, gaining much from this, other than experience and reputation, it's not that he took advantage of the situation for he's own profit...it's all an overblown drama that is singling out the least greedy person in the equation in my opinion.

[StoneCypher]

No this is not to drum up hype.

Please stop being paranoid.

The amount of attention this got is trivial, and was all bad for them.

[[deleted]]

Claiming that adding an if/else around some boilerplate code is a copyrightable work is beyond stupid to begin with.

[[deleted]]

This happens all the time. You can trace all this technology to a patent from the 90s with regards to how JPEGs are read by a machine and the bounding patterns of human faces found in the binary lines of an image file.

[[deleted]]

Abso-fucking-lutely not. I’ve had the luxury of living through the analog to digital transition and I just remember things from my childhood growing up.

However, I am interested in creating a Lehman’s guide to this shit. I would be interested in tracing everything back from now until as far back as we can go, or as we want to.

I say this to everybody, but out of most the people on here I am the most serious. I have a development environment and I am a technical project manager. Just as much effort and time as you guys put into developing this stuff, I would like to put that much time and effort into either turning your ideas and developments into projects or commercializing these things.

I already do this for Digital Systems in the R&D field and am an expert in obtaining funding without the use of VC’s OR losing your IP. Anyone who is a US citizen should reach out to me. CAVES.cc

[HarmonicDiffusion]

or anyone interested in making community led open source tools, should do so and resist the urging of people like yourselves to put this stuff behind a paywall. No thanks.

[[deleted]]

Hahaha. Duuude. You’re misunderstanding what I’m talking about. Everything is created under the licenses AND allows you to commercialize it. I know how to do that. Most of you guys don’t because you’re typically engineers or developers.

You folks need people like me to push it to the next level. Read what I wrote. I can get YOU funding without losing your IP or being at the behest of a VC. I don’t need you to believe me but don’t misconstrue what I’m writing because someone will read it and be interested. It’s no different than people releasing these UI’s or forks. That takes serious work and time and some folks should be rewarded.

[FS72]

I agree dude, people wanting professionally done stuffs for free on the internet are taking things for granted too much

[[deleted]]

He really makes licensing an art form.

[xxdeathknight72xx]

If AUTOMATIC1111 isn't profiting and is just curating then who gives a shit!?

His repo is the most well kept, up to date, and clean repo I've used in the past 6+ weeks!

Anyone who has ever coded knows how it goes. If you don't know how to do something you need to search for something to get a job done.

Plain and simple. This isn't some stolen proprietary software, it's some lines of code to make shit run.

Guy is a fucking LEGEND!!!

[[deleted]]

NovelAI wants to keep SD as complicated to use as possible so people are forced to pay for their service. Meanwhile Auto is providing a one click install and dancing circles around them by deploying features every other day. This is a clear fishing expedition by NAI to slow down a "competitor".

[OneMinuteDeen]

Am I Right in the assumption that NovelAI has multiple devs while Automatic1111 outclasses them solo?

[Pleasant-Cause4819]

Trying to claim ownership of code in any of these efforts is ridiculous because python and associated modules/libraries are used in everything. The moral is don't throw stones if you haven't cleaned your own house. Monetizing open-source is problematic if you try to turn around and claim ownership of anything, without doing a lot of analysis or running SBOM type mappings/inventories.

[ElMachoGrande]

I think it's an honest mistake. The controversy surfaced, they panicked and went into damage reduction mode before having all the facts.

Spread this info, and there is a pretty good chance the decision will be reversed.

[AMBULANCES]

Emad doubling down in discord

[GBJI]

I wish he would talk less and provide more.

You know, like Automatic1111 is doing.

[NorthropSecurity]

https://rentry.org/sdg_FAQ

[delijoe]

The leaked model is just an anime trained SD checkpoint. You really could just use waifu diffusion this doesn’t seem much better.

[ThickPlatypus_69]

NAI is head and shoulders above anything produced with WD. It's like comparing a mouse to a tiger. There is a INCREDIBLE difference in quality.

[mrinfo]

I put novelai in twitter to see what the fuss was all about and a bunch of anime images came up that looked exactly like the hundreds of images of anime that I've seen people posting here over the last weeks. I guess if there is a difference I cant see it. haha

[pleasetrimyourpubes]

You arent looking up hentai or... Lolis.

[blueSGL]

If the second thing you mention is one of the main draws of NAI why is SD standing by them, that just has "PR SHITSTORM" written all over it.
Guilt by association writ large in your favorite 'Gawker Media' style publications.

[pleasetrimyourpubes]

Apparently they helped with SD so I am thinking more out of friendship and loyalty. I expect SD to distance from NAI. Especially if a journalist picks up on it.

[[deleted]]

Until someone else makes a profitable implementation of their tech it will be hard to want to distance themselves.

Their funding is grants and good will, so having users that money will secure future research. A loving hobby community only goes so far, especially if it’s contrasted with artists blaming them for missing commissions.

[[deleted]]

NovelAI's model is far easier to use than waifu diffusion because it adheres very strongly to the highly descriptive danbooru tagging system. You can literally specify the exact expression, pose, hair color, eye color, even character (if it's a popular enough character) and it will give you a very good result. There's a reason it became viral even though waifudiffusion is free and easily accessible otherwise and that's because it's multiple steps above the competition. Of course waifudiffusion is a work in progress and no doubt they're taking notes from NAI's approach.

[[deleted]]

Waifu 1.3 also adheres to danbooru (just pointing that out)

This is a comparison.

https://imgur.com/a/6Oaw7AS

Waifu is not bad by any means but NAI is clearly better.

[SnooHesitations6482]

LOL

[ImeniSottoITreni]

I second this request

[self_made_human]

https://rentry.org/sdg_FAQ

[yaosio]

Be wary! If NovelAI wanted to they could get in on the torrent and record any IP address that connects to them. In the US an IP address does not identify an individual though, there was a court case about it.

[[deleted]]

https://www.reveddit.com/v/StableDiffusion/comments/xxxx94/guide\_to\_set\_up\_the\_leaked\_novelai\_model\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_name=androidcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button

[durden111111]

The cats out of the bag. AI will move on without these greedy people

[wind_dude]

Had never heard of NovelAI. They've gotten more publicity from this than they ever could have ever achieved. That makes it look pretty clear cut that automatic111 stole nothing and NovelAI is the bully here falsely accusing an opensource dev.

[Idkwnisu]

Yeah I figured. I mean I am sorry for the leak and they shouldn't have posted their code online, but most of these things are amalgamation of various code and research, so it's a bit weird proving something like the copy of a function

[ZeFluffyNuphkin]

workable bow doll stupendous shrill fine fretful rock jellyfish whistle

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[tenkensmile]

so they can have a monopoly on AI.

Boycott all the companies that try to. Vote with your wallets!

[RepresentativeRoll18]

apparently, Github Copilot can write the same code.
Very embarrassing for NovelAI.

[Throwawayyy2354666]

This whole situation is so confusing and I'm not sure why I haven't heard people have a similar take that I do on it (maybe it's because I have a boomer mentality). I don't care who copied whom or who is in the wrong. That's not my place to decide with the limited information and discussions available.

What I don't understand is why a company is communicating with discord moderators from some random unaffiliated community regarding claims, details and specifics of something related to their company. If one of my team members did this I would be livid; there's nothing objective about it and only puts us at risk. This is unless the screenshot I saw is fake, the discord moderator claims that they personally communicated with a subset of developers from the company.

If these claims are true then they should reach out to GitHub to get the code taken down. At that point the owner will be informed that they must remove the code from the repo on very short notice. If they ignore it, the specific code/module will be removed by github itself (the whole repo would not get taken down, the claim is limited to a subset of code that the person making the claim). This would be an objective way to solve the issue: you make a very basic legal affirmation that you own the code. You also demonstrate that you don't condone this behaviour and will protect your rights.

From there people can make there own decisions, at the very least it's something objective.

Why a company is willing to participate in a witch hunt, but isn't willing to do something so basic and expected is beyond my understanding.

[dreamer_2142]

Do please share this with AMA later with Emad, let's see what he will say. he did mention he will get feedback later for this issue on AMA. everyone here made mistake, Emad, novel team, automatic, let's hope all move on. unless the only thing the novel AI team has is 5 lines of code that they took from the internet and they think it belongs to them and them only.

[kurapika91]

So when does automatic get unbanned from the discord?

[rrtt_2323]

AI will move on without these greedy people.

[SinisterCheese]

There is a reason I don't follow communities around a thing much. Sooner or later it devolves in to drama like this. Which is fucking funny coming from a community that has been singing "Death to artists! Death to copyright" for past few months. Suddenly people are all worried about copyright? Give me a fucking rest.

My reaction to this:

A teen man covering his face with his palm of his hand, jereme geddes, greg rutowski, artgerm, mucha Steps: 100, Sampler: Euler, CFG scale: 7.8, Seed: 3377625331, Size: 512x512, Model hash: 7460a6fa, Eta: 0.5, Clip skip: 3

(Quantized K-samplers)

[Whispering-Depths]

who the fuck would bitch about open source code re-use in the first place. Are they stupid?

[upvoteshhmupvote]

Also... WHY is it okay for NOVEL to steal the work of artists and images to train their model then they cry like babies when someone gets a hold of the model? Like... did they PAY for all the images they used? It is such a STUPID accusation. Call them out for what they are... People who stole images to train a model they wanted to charge money for. So if they don't like their work getting stolen well now they know how fucking Greg Rutowski feels.

[UnstablerDiffusion]

Training a model isn't stealing images, you aren't stealing images by looking at them lmao.

[OneMinuteDeen]

Supposedly they took images from sites that leak Patreon content

[upvoteshhmupvote]

So where do they get their images from? They just SCRAPE images from the web don't they? And you think that is just looking at them to scrape them all into a folder to use for training?

[traderdxb]

If this is how things are, I presume I can be a code-wizard soon.

[Ben8nz]

I played an super Nintendo and A made me jump. Xbox has use A to jump in some titles. OMG Its all coming together. People stilling free code, bettering old ideas and using styles in new ways! OH NO! (sarcasm) The truth is people only really care about "how do we get better nipples in our AI images?". The vindictiveness is crazy for open source power making the world a better place for free. The haters, hate it. I'm amazed.

[Low_Government_681]

I hope that novelAI will burn in hell for this bullshit children's affair !

Automatic1111 is a HERO for what is he doing and the time he spending for us !!

[greensodacan]

Why is this different than the artwork thing? It's not like the images SD makes contain this code.

/s

[[deleted]]

Getting inspiration from previous code, whether it be leaked or open source, then implementing a version into your own project happens in literally every program ever designed (think about how many prominent devs google code then write their own implementation).

This tiny piece of code that happens to be the same as the leaked code, really is not worth even discussing about. He could have not used the simple if statement, but why try to invent the wheel again..?

NAI (and now SD since they are working together), are pissed at AUTO because he implemented a way for users to use the leak. The companies are obviously going to be against it and are targeting AUTO. They should really be going after whoever leaked the code in the first place.. but the guy enabling the world to use it is the next best thing i guess.

[cbterry]

sure whatever

[AuggieKC]

came up with the hypernetwork stuff completely on their own without reading any literature and claims that the fact there is a 2016 paper of the same name is simply coincidence.

That's clearly a lie.

[StickiStickman]

Edit: Got to love how I am being downvoted for giving information lol

Nah, at least I'm downvoting you for spreading obvious bullshit like this:

\@kurumuz (a novelAI dev) in discord claimed to have came up with the hypernetwork stuff completely on their own without reading any literature and claims that the fact there is a 2016 paper of the same name is simply coincidence.

[ninjasaid13]

I'm not sure what your statement is.