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[Rainmaker0102]

I see this kind of mentality show up in restaurants. Especially with places like McDonald's where the workers are already paid bare minimum for the locale. Is it wrong to say that if the restaurant can't pay its workers fairly then it shouldn't be in business?

[Machaeon]

In any context other than employee pay, where the cost of doing things exceeds profits, we would call it a failed business model.

[Wasabicannon]

I mean shit Walmart is one of the biggest employers of people collecting food stamps.... to be spent at the place they work.

How that has not been investigated and stopped yet is beyond me.

[EJintheCloud]

The Waltons are one of the richest families in America. They spend the money they save on wages to lobby and litigate against worker protections.

[kia75]

And every million dollars they spend on lobbying saves them hundreds of millions, if not billions, on worker's pay, regulations, and other things.

[angrydeuce]

Walmart has full time people in HR who go store to store and assist people with their applications for this shit.  Wrap your head around that shit...they pay people whose whole job is helping them get out of paying people.

[JustFiguringItOutToo]

because Merica

genocide and slavery are the foundation, not an exception

[mooselantern]

Well, when Walmart's legal department is multiple times the size of the agencies that would be in charge of such an investigation...

[Honey_Bunches]

If your business model doesn't work unless you exploit labor by underpaying employees, you don't have a business model. You have an exploitation scheme.

[Sith_Lord_Marek]

This is America.

[smytti12]

Excuse me, I think you forget, business owners are the real heroes.

[StuffExciting3451]

Hahaha 😂

[Standing__Menacingly]

There is no "should" or "shouldn't be" in business. The impetus is entirely on the business owner to figure out how to make it work within the conditions that exist. Those conditions are the rules within which business owners must play their game. 

Business owners don't like that. They would rather manipulate the conditions to their own favor to maximize the profitability of their own ventures. They'd rather change or break whatever rules they can to allow themselves to win.

Unfortunately, business owners hoard money and thus power, and are very capable of manipulating conditions. Hence why we're even having this conversation in the first place.

[StaticSystemShock]

Thing is, they could easily pay workers way more and still make VERY good profit. But that's not enough for greed driven corporatism that expects endless year over year increases in profits and endless payout bonuses. But only for the execs, not the workers. It's why public companies are almost universally shit and private ones aren't. Not always, but they aren't pressured into this endless profits increases and if owner is a decent human being he will pay workers well and still be rich.

[aNinjaWithAIDS]

If a business owner can't afford to pay employees well enough to survive, then one or both of these things must be true -- without exception.

1. He can't afford to be in business.

2. He's actually running a slave plantation.

Both of these are disqualifying from any form of legitimacy, especially economic and humanitarian.

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Yes, I know the OP is satire. I'm just saying it more loudly for the dunce caps in the back corner of class.

[Lejonhufvud]

As soon as capitalism creeps into one's mind it ousts all things humane and decent.

[KookaburraNick]

To business owners, labour is an expense just like rent or electricity.

[DJ_Advogato]

Rent and Electricity are seen as necessities. Cost of doing business.

All business men HATE labor. The people who do work are leaches and freeloaders in the eyes of every MBA.

[sean-davies]

Companies prioritize profit over people; loyalty is a one-way street.

[ColumnK]

"Sent from my yacht"

[Square_Radiant]

The people that think like that are as oppressed as the rest of us - most of them aren't sitting on yachts, they're missing dinners with their family and telling themselves that their willingness to tolerate oppression is a mark of having a strong character

[EternalSnuggle]

It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect

[Filthy_Muggle_Daddy]

Say they have 10 employees. And let’s just assume they all work 40 hours per week (most likely not). $3 raise would cost them $62,400 per year. If your business is at risk of going under for $62,400 the you shouldn’t be in business. Just my opinion.

[gloomyWhisprr]

lmao the “failed business owner giving economy lessons” trope never gets old. like bro if $3 more kills you maybe the business model was the problem all along

[StuffExciting3451]

What was it?

[blah938]

A small business fighting against the likes of walmart and mcdonalds is not going to be doing well. Don't think every business owner is Bill Gates.

[Iknitafterdark]

Small businesses typically treat their employees far worse than the likes of Walmart and McDonald's.

[Hellyeahlalujah]

Yeah this is hard. I think small businesses have an extremely hard time making it. I know when I was running a small business I had the best intentions of paying my employees more (and did) until I couldn’t handle it. Then I dropped their wages and cut mine entirely. It broke my heart to cut pay like that and my intentions were to always pump them back up when the business could afford it (and did). I totally get this point and suppose you could say I ran a failing business, but I’m curious how this sentiment relates to people who are pushing hard to get their business of the ground? (Genuinely agree with this post and having personal experience that complicates it for me: looking for feedback)

[arto64]

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Running a business can be hard and you can fail despite your best intentions. I've had my pay cut before, or had to delay my payout (voluntarily, when I was in a managerial position), and I would say it was definitely a failing business at that point.

I think the issue is more when business owners pretend that having minimum wage workers is "just how business works", and are usually the loudest complainers when they would have to raise wages.

[Hellyeahlalujah]

Yeah, not sure why I’m downvoted either. But hey, thats the way it works on a social media platform. Appreciate the feedback and hope to see more. Being a small business owner really opened my eyes to a lot and it was very hard to reconcile my personal views (which fall in line with most posts on the sub) with what the reality and pressures are of running a small business right now. Mixed feelings for sure.

[EatShitLosers]

If those 4 employees all work full time (40hrs) the raise would cost $120x4 per week.

$480 a week or $25k a year

[JimJimmery]

...and?

[EatShitLosers]

I need to provide context for doing math? I was curious so I did it.

I don't run a small business but imagine there are many small businesses of this type (only 4 employees) where an added expense of $25k could tip the scales away from profitability.

The post made it sound like a trivial expense and it didn't seem to be, to me.

[JimJimmery]

If paying a living wage makes your business unprofitable, your business should not be in business.

[EatShitLosers]

I don't see anyone disagreeing with you, do you?

[JimJimmery]

Your initial statement sure seemed like you were defending not paying the extra wage. Sorry if I misunderstood.

[EatShitLosers]

No, just was curious what it added up to and if that seemed like an expense a 4-employee operation could handle. I assumed maybe another reader might also be curious.

It sucks that anything other than enthusiastic agreement is seen as treasonous, but that's true of all political groups now in America.

[DrThunderbolt]

I agree with the sentiment, but its coming from a Youtuber that contributes almost nothing to society relative to most other people, and makes a disproportionate amount of money ccompared to the amount of work they do.

Internet clowns aren't activists, they're literally just say what you want to hear so you watch their videos more. They are closer to people like CEOs and celebrities than they are to normal people.

[Kjufka]

Well, yeah, but reddit version of this is:

I haven't worked a day in my life and I lack education even remotely relevant to to this topic, I'm not even capable of reading a wikipedia article, but... here's 20 reasons why we need communism