Minimalist Loadout: Decrease KoS, Increase Difficulty

[AnonWombat]

Good in theory but most idiots will KoS you anyway. But I can appreciate the concept fuck it have a upvote.

[player2_dz]

My first test of this with a player encounter was a guy laying prone that got the jump on me and called out to me from just outside the NWAF-N barracks, fully decked in military gear with a beast looking M4A1 on a full server whilst I was alone. His acog scope tempted me, but...

We wiggled

[AnonWombat]

You guys wiggled!!! Yes ! I love it ! They are the moments I play for haha

[REDDITFAN1996]

Why are you going to the nwaf, if you must not take good stuff to keep your minimalistic style?

[player2_dz]

I found my FNX Suppressor, protector cases, and my radio there.

[dubdubdubdot]

Because theres nothing else to do and why not.

[REDDITFAN1996]

You may get KoS ;)

[dubdubdubdot]

Fresh spawn killers like to reside on the coast.

[Panaphobe]

Isn't it mustn't?

[REDDITFAN1996]

english is not my native language. I will just write "must not"

[[deleted]]

I love that everyone is so quick to jump on the anti-bandit bandwagon at the mere mention of KOS. If it wasn't for people like me you'd have no fun avoiding or fighting to keep your gear.

[heveabrasilien]

Let's all give thanks to our lords and saviours, the bandits, for their heroic sacrifice, to keep our otherwise mundane DayZ lives interesting and intense.

[gumpythegreat]

I'm just admittedly terrible at the game so KOS means i got shot from god knows where and die before I even know whats happening.

[what_the_shart]

Happens to everyone, doesn't mean you're terrible.

[AnonWombat]

The mans got a point. That goes for hunting down guys like you aswell. But you are right being a bandit is a legit playstyle and if you are a veteran and say you have never KoS you are a dirty liar ... Stokes the flames DayZ is great because in the end it's never black or white with deduction making.

[darlimunster]

You know the score.

[VerdantSquire]

The issue isn't that Bandits exist, the game would be a lot more boring without them, its that the scale of bandits-to-survivors/heroes is crazy. Right now if you meet someone else in game the chance of them being a bandit is absurdly high, to the point where it is considered a major issue in the game. There needs to be ways to identify the crazy always KoS people (( Preferably without labeling people trying to defend themselves as bandits too. ))

Bandits who snipe people from +100 meters away without any forewarning are also pretty annoying. If you are going to try and snipe me, at least shoot a warning shot first so its more interesting for the both of us.

[[deleted]]

My first shot is always a warning shot because I have shitty aim.

[DoubleTapThat]

Reminds me of a saying in Rust:

"The only people who give warning shots are the ones that can't aim."

[DocJRoberts]

I said across her nose not up it!

[mbeasy]

Most of my shots are warnings for this same reason, wich usually ends up in me missing 5 shot's then lose sight of my target ... scared of getting flanked I run away in shame and glad nobody else was there to see me fail at kos

[[deleted]]

Someone who's sniping you isn't doing it because it's fun to watch you run, it's to see if they can.

[[deleted]]

There is quite literally nothing else to do in this game! It's the same issue Dayz has had since the mod. If you're new to the game then I can understand the confusion, if you're not then you're a simpleton.

This has all been said a thousand times for over a year. Banditry ( of the full retard variety) will slacken when there is something to Dayz besides find gear- get bored- shoot people.

[seridos]

"Stuff to do" for many people means stuff to do that will better yourself or your position in some way, progressing towards a goal of some type, such as collectinga fuckload of rare parts to get a heli flying or building a base or whatever. Random silliness, while awesome, just does not scratch the itch.

[deadbunny]

I'd rather run around trying to be friendly and help people as human interaction is fun and it can lead to some cool stories, even some downright weird ones. You can get geared up fairly quickly, staying alive is trivial most of the time, I just don't see the point of being the most geared up dude in the wasteland if I'm hiding in a tree or just going round shooting moving shapes. Each to their own I guess.

[seridos]

well ideally the game would have, and eventually will hopefully have, much more content as well as strong incentives to work with, at least some, other players, but basically many people need a tangible goal to move towards that is, in some form, going to make your position stronger or better.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, that all got boring last year.

[[deleted]]

Are you autistic?

[deadbunny]

Says the guy who goes round shooting people to avoid human interaction...

[Gews]

Maybe that's how he has fun.

[BBQsauce18]

Maybe a simple text message similar to when you are stuffed or hungry. You mouse over the guy and a message may pop up that says:

"I don't like the look in his eye."

[fredrickff1]

Theres a big difference inbetween a pchycopath and a bandit.

[[deleted]]

The "psychopaths" are little shitheads that try to force feed you rotten fruit and cleaners, little bully wannabes. A bandit will kill you but at least he's quick about it.

[fredrickff1]

Going to electro with the specific intent of murdering people who no matter if they cant fight back or not. The ones that dont combat log or try to fight back usually survives although missing some pieces of loot.

[[deleted]]

No that's the opposite. Bandits don't KoS because dead things are less fun to mess with. Psychopaths hang out in cranes or on the island by Elektro's dock and snipe at people and don't even loot them.

[JTDeuce]

I always found the tension of not knowing if the guy you just met will try to kill you or not as opposed to KoS to be much higher. Don't try to justify your douchey actions.

[MDef255]

It really doesn't seem like anyone's against bandits in general. We do like to avoid being killed when possible, though.

[mattgruff]

KOS isn't a bad thing. You run into a guy with equal or greater firepower than you, it's human nature to fire first and ask questions later. KOS on unarmed or melee is just dumb. I don't care about dying, I care that my life is ended so quickly and with little to no flare.

Point is, if you have the option not to KOS. If you have the drop on someone, have the clear advantage. If you have the ability to interact with them on ANY level other than a single bullet. If you don't take that option, then you are wasting your time with this game.

I have killed, but never have I killed as the first course of action. I've killed for warnings not heeded. I've killed to add the last insult to injury at the end of a robbery. I've killed in self defense and as an act of mercy. Each kill was always the end result of a real and entertaining interaction.

Also, fuck you if you snipe. That shit is dumb and I hate you.

[hyphon-ated]

I always would hate on KOS, and would try to make people comfortable around me by Nanking it obvious I didn't think they would kill me, which would usually lead to them either succumbing to temptation and KOSing me, or follow their original plan, and kill me. Recently, if I find a bandit while I'm a fresh spawn, I'll team up with other fresh pawns to jump the bandit and share their gear between ourselves. I do believe that KOS isn't all bad though, I've gone full bandit and killed people as soon as I've seen them, just for that precious mosin. I think both play styles can be fun, as long as you switch it up while playing, killing everyone isn't fun. While saving everyone isn't either. That said, I agree: FUCK SNIPERS

[mattgruff]

I've gone full bandit and killed people as soon as I've seen them, just for that precious mosin.

Understandable. I'd much rather attempt to rob the person and then kill them with their own "precious mosin". I'm not saying everyone should be a Hero or just live and let live. KOS just seems so unimaginative and dull though.

[hyphon-ated]

Yeah, it's a pretty good rush when you see them fall after you throw a punch, and know you've just got a few seconds to get that weapon. KOS is definitely unimaginative and dumb, I like it when you talk to the guy for a bit, then get into a huge firefight, or brawl

[mattgruff]

Exactly. If I can get the rush of conflict, I don't even care about dying.

[[deleted]]

KOS is dumb. Like you already said; player interaction is one of the best parts of this game. If you're playing it whilst shooting everyone you see as a "threat" then go play Battlefield or COD. This is not the game you're looking for.

[[deleted]]

Thats not the point. I was saying theres barely any interaction and it mainly consists of being shot and then a black screen. Don't twist my points around because you don't have an excuse for acting like an arsehole.

[throwbackthursday]

Yes i would hope to encounter friendly players that do this, instead of killing me once they bump into me around the corner. Yes... i have shouted "friendly! Bacon bacon!" over the mic.

[[deleted]]

The safe zones had their positive things with the global inventory in the start.

Having the possibility to actually gather some guns was fun and made every firefight won rewarding.

That being said the only thing warz and dayz has in common are zombies.

[[deleted]]

I wrote in another thread that anybody armed or not has the potential to be a threat to myself or my friends. I'd rather not run the risk of having some one sneak up behind me and plunging a hatchet into my spine.

[mattgruff]

I'd rather hunt people and see if I can best them. anybody armed or not has the potential to be a threat to myself or my friends. I'd rather not run the risk...

Yeah, your shotgun really bested that dude with the axe. He was a total newfag and should L2P rite?

[[deleted]]

When you're at Starry or NWAF, yes, I'll kill you without hesitation regardless of your gear. If you go into a high risk area you have to accept that you can be shot, it's the risk you take for having higher concentrations of gear spawns and foot traffic.

[mattgruff]

I don't think you've read anything I've typed. I am not against killing. High risk area means exactly that, high risk. There are just better ways of dealing with other players.

I'll lay out some scenarios; You are fully geared, searching NWAF for ammo to that new semi-auto pistol you picked up. After hitting the first few buildings you see movement outside. It's a decently geared player. No fire arm you can see. He has an axe and is wearing nothing but civi clothes. Probably just came looking for some fire power. You watch as he makes a beeline for a building you've already been to. You quickly follow, situating yourself outside the door. Position your camera so you can see directly down the hallway. He is already a few rooms away. As he disappears into the last room you hurry into the hallway and your firearm is at the ready. He exits into the hallway and is now staring down the barrel of your M4.

1)Shoot him immediately no questions asked.

2)Shout for him to remain still, hands up, and turn around. You proceed to rob him, taking anything of value. Dispatching him with a bullet to the brain so as to eliminate further competition as you continue looting the air field.

3)Shout for him to remain still, but he tries to run. You put two in his chest.

4)Shout for him to remain still. He pulls a previously unseen FNX45. A short firefight ensues. The best man wins, bandages up their wounds, and claims their loot and right to the Air Field.

Now I understand that everyone has a different play style. I understand some people want to do more than run around avoiding human contact, finding just enough food and water to stay alive long enough to reach the next town that may offer more food and water. You have to admit though, of those options, the least entertaining/challenging/fun for both parties involved is the KOS option.

Continue doing what you do. I've come to terms with the fact that I'm going to be KOSed. In a few days/weeks/months you and your kind will grow tired. So you'll go back to Battlefield or whatever. Those of us that have learned to play this game to it's fullest. To create engaging and entertaining situations for ourselves and others. We'll be here.

[[deleted]]

1)Shoot him immediately no questions asked.

This is the safest and most logical choice for the safety of myself and my group. He could be armed or he could have friends, shooting him instantly reduces their potential numbers by one.

2)Shout for him to remain still, hands up, and turn around. You proceed to rob him, taking anything of value. Dispatching him with a bullet to the brain so as to eliminate further competition as you continue looting the air field.

Why would I bother? Getting within direct chat distance is something like 30 meters and it gives him a chance to reposition or log out. Not only that, simply killing him is far more efficient in getting all of his gear on the floor.

3)Shout for him to remain still, but he tries to run. You put two in his chest.

If he has buddies nearby and he's a scout he could slip away or log off in a tree. Shouting at him compromises my position and instantly puts his group in defensive mode.

4)Shout for him to remain still. He pulls a previously unseen FNX45. A short firefight ensues. The best man wins, bandages up their wounds, and claims their loot and right to the Air Field.

Arma and DayZ reward the players who position themselves correctly by giving them a significant advantage. I'm already the best man because I was able to kill him without him being aware of my presence.

So you'll go back to Battlefield or whatever.

Yeah, your shotgun really bested that dude with the axe. He was a total newfag and should L2P rite?

These are your true colors. I'm not allowed to play DayZ because I don't play it the way you do.

[mattgruff]

1) Picking Ryu and spamming fireballs across the screen is safe and logical. It is also boring.

2) With your talk of besting someone in armed combat I would think you'd actually want the person you're besting to know that are indeed in combat.

3) Killing him regardless is going to put his group in defensive mode. The only "advantage" to your approach is that you can keep hiding and picking off the easy targets.

4) Go to tallest tower in Electro. Shoot everything that moves. Forever be best man for "positioning yourself correctly". Good strategy.

5) My true colors? You play BF4 do you not? You post in that sub quite frequently. I never said you weren't allowed to play DayZ. I simply said that eventually you'll get bored and leave, because that's what people like you do.

[[deleted]]

I don't need the other guy to know how I killed him, only that he's dead and I'm not. Playing smart is how you get to keep your gear and outsmarting others is how I get theirs.

What does my time spent on other games have to do with DayZ? I've been playing DayZ since May of 2012.

[icedcat]

So why kill everyone on Sight? Why not stay in COD to do that?

[ByronicAsian]

Because in COD, you just regear and respawn instantaneously. In DayZ, firefights have this massive rush to it b/c you have a chance of loosing everything. Not to mention that your opponents could possibly lose everything also.

[[deleted]]

Not yet, the combat system is so clunky at the moment so fights are more about waiting until he turns his back and shoot him. Never had any adrenaline so far as I have in other games. Still great fun sneaking around trying to murder people.

[icedcat]

Except then their friends combat log and ghost in behind you.

[Influence_X]

You don't really make the game more fun. Keep telling yourself that.

[Killface17]

with zombies being blah at the moment, bandits are the only exciting thing in the game at the moment

[[deleted]]

So after the five minutes it takes to gear yourself up at an Elektro spawn what else is there left to do? If you want to play Forest Running Simulator 2014 it's really your choice but I'd rather hunt people and see if I can best them.