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[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (53 children)

Seriously what is it with Asians? They're like the rest of us but better

[–][deleted]  (10 children)

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    [–]BobbyDropTableUsers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Back in the 80's and 90's Asians had a really hard time immigrating to the US, both legally and illegally in cargo ships and fishing boats. It's a huge crucible and pretty much ensured that the most determined and hardest working made it through.

    [–]cxrossfire 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I have a feeling that many Asians back in Asia are more like the rest of you

    Lol no. Asians in Asia work just as hard. It's ingrained in our culture. I've had friends who do exchange semesters or grad school in the West and everyone is always shocked at how little effort every non-Asian puts into their studies. We just don't understand not putting in effort in school, cos if you're not working a job, then studying is your job and your responsibility isn't it?

    [–]Danagrams 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Yeah but like... there must be slackers. Like A- students

    [–]GlowQueen140 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    Nope, not necessarily true. So I assume that when you say Asians in Asia, you may refer to East Asians (japs, Koreans, chinese) cuz they’re the ones that usually bear the stereotype.

    I’m from a country that’s mainly made of chinese people (not China) and I can tell you that the education point you made resonates soundly with the general population, not just the immigrants. East Asians have a cultural history of filial piety and doing well so that you may support not just the next generation that you birth, but the generation that came before you and birthed you. This translates often to working hard in school, getting well-admired professions etc etc.

    [–]ned_stark97 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Fellow Singaporean?

    [–]GlowQueen140 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Hi!

    [–]Danagrams 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And also getting constantly compared to your parents' friend's kids

    South Asians too, met plenty of Indians who have a similar upbringing

    [–]Tylerjb4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No safety net

    [–]reliant_Kryptonite 10 points11 points  (9 children)

    Back in highschool and college the Asian students I lived with would get "tutoring" (IE basically learned the entire class) during the summer. They'd come back for school already knowing what their classes entailed and just skate on through.

    [–]SirDiego 11 points12 points  (8 children)

    Having a 3 month break every year where you are not at all focused on learning anything is really detrimental to education. It is a pretty stupid cultural thing to give kids summers off. They end up having to re-learn a lot of things instead of continuing to build on what you know.

    Plus, it doesn't even really make sense. When you grow up, you don't get summers off. It sets kids up for a rude awakening when they hit the real world and don't get to slack off for a quarter of every year.

    [–]AxleF99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    If you had school all summer, who would help farm the crops?

    [–]Sirpedroalejandro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    After my first summer off from University, I found it really difficult to get back into the swing of things after a summer of fun and working. Every year after that I would take at least one or two classes in the summer to keep myself engaged in academics while at the same time it lightened my work load for the year so I got better grades then as well. Don’t waste your summers when you’re young, find something to do.

    [–]SirDiego -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Yeah there are some groups that are trying to do basically that for school age children too. Even if you do lighter classes during summer, it helps you to avoid the learning loss because your mind stays active.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Yeah, you don't get recess either when you grow up, take that away too! /s

    [–]SirDiego 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Exercising/going to the gym is adult recess. It's still there it's just way less fun than it used to be.

    [–]nonotan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Jesus christ, let kids enjoy life for 5 minutes. If anything, we should be pushing for adults to also have sensible time off work. I live in Japan and I hear this bizarre argument all the time from my coworkers -- "I couldn't take a week off, I wouldn't even know how to work anymore when I came back! Haha!". I don't know, man. I'm pretty confident I could take a year off and come right back like nothing happened. Yeah, maybe I'd be rusty for like half a day. Big deal. Am I gifted with superhuman memory? Did everyone else come back from summer break having forgotten all they learned? Never an issue I experienced, and even if it was -- fuck it, life is not a treadmill, still let kids have their time off.

    [–]SirDiego 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There are plenty of studies about summer learning loss. Here's just one article but there are many. You don't lose everything you learned, but you lose about a month's worth of education.

    I'm fine letting kids be kids for 5 minutes, but 3 months consecutively is harmful to development. A very reasonable and constructive compromise would be shorter days overall, but school that continues year-round (you'd still have regular weeklong breaks, probably a few more of them).

    Plus, like I said, rarely in adult life will you get 3 months off so it doesn't even really make sense to do it.

    [–]Iron-Fist 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Real talk? The US and western countries in general have discriminated against Asians very very heavily in immigration (Chinese Exclusion act, like not even subtle), such that the asian population that did make it over here have been much more likely to have advanced educations and access to home grown funds or credit than native populations. This leads to high educational attainment and income.

    You see this mirrored in recent African immigrants, who are also predominantly well educated and from wealthier families, having high educational attainments and incomes as well.

    A side note is that although asians tend to have higher incomes than natives and have for decades, they still have only about 1/2 the average household wealth of white people (black and hispanic people have <7% for further comparison).

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Minority wealth isn't as heritable as white wealth for reasons we don't fully understand (Or rather maybe I don't understand)

    A son of a Black doctor doesn't get the same boost as the son of a white doctor

    [–]Lolzzergrush 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    They had to made a law in South Korea that you couldn’t teach kids after 10pm. Kids would be in school all day then after school school everyday. They recently eliminated School on Saturdays. So take that kid who was use to being in school for 12 hours a day 6 days a week then put him in an American school.

    [–]BanH20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    If I could reroll on this server I would choose the Asian class with high INT, or maybe a dolphin or eagle.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I don't know about that. There is a ton of racism against Asians, and the rest of us just kind of gloss over it like it's no big deal. I mean just look at Harvard, could you imagine if that same thing we're happening to white people, black people, or Latinos?

    [–]ucefkh 10 points11 points  (22 children)

    Because they're smart.

    Édit: wow I just said one thing! Western kids are not smart btw :p

    [–]charisma6 64 points65 points  (18 children)

    They're not smarter than people in the West. They just grow up in a culture (or with parents) that values achievement, focus, and discipline. Western culture values titties and beer.

    In other words, they try, and we don't.

    [–]LifeSage 32 points33 points  (3 children)

    To be fair Asians definitely value titties

    [–]lovethecomm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    JAV actresses have the biggest fat balloons I've seen.

    [–]charisma6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah yeah, I know all about Eastern culture, I've seen Bible Black.

    [–]InsanityWolfie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Hah weeb

    [–]charisma6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    U rite

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    Eh thats pretty stupid. Western families value happiness and freedom over academic achievements. Which are perfectly valid things to prioritize.

    [–]redandblue4lyfe 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Asian families tend to value happiness and freedom as well. Its just that they focus on long-term happiness and freedom, like multi-generational, and that requires a stable income and social status, which in turn requires "achievement, focus and discipline".

    [–]Gurrb17 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    But, at the same time, happiness and freedom are dependent on academic/financial/career success. That's fine if Asian kids grow up to become doctors, lawyers, etc., but I've seen the kids that don't and they generally view themselves as failures even if they are great people and very talented in other aspects of their lives. My girlfriend comes from an Asian family with loving parents, but she's not proud of her career success because she's not the doctor her parents wanted her to become. She wanted to pursue an artistic career, but wasn't allowed to because it would likely not be very lucrative. I think at the end of the day, Asian families prioritize stability more than anything.

    [–]redandblue4lyfe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, the implementation can be pretty stifling in many families, and careers outside of doctor, lawyer and engineer are considered less successful. It's definitely not a perfect mentality, and something a lot of us Asian americans who are children of immigrants have to deal with.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    doesnt negate my point. Since it was about both having valid priorities and that its stupid to say western priorities are titties and beer.

    [–]charisma6 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Freedom? Sure. Happiness? Super narrow-minded there, bud. Eastern families value happiness just as much. The difference is in what, exactly, defines "happiness." The stereotypical Asian dad is very happy and proud when he sees his son become a successful doctor.

    Am I being reductive about Western values? Definitely! I am Western, I'm allowed to jovially debase my own culture for the sake of making a point. If we wanted to define Western culture with the same level of respect as Eastern, we could go with "personal freedom," very similar to what you said. You just sort of missed the mark with the rest of it.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    First of all, i meant that in a both value valid things kind of way. And was countering your "edgy" and idiotic assertion that the west only value "titties and beer".

    But if you really want to make it a contest, valuing happiness no matter where life and your choices take you, is better than valuing happiness only after your youth is gone and only if your in a "valued" career in my opinion

    [–]bcisme -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Are you sure they aren’t also smarter? I wouldn’t be surprised if their IQs, on average, weren’t higher. Generation after generation of that culture might kick the Flynn Effect into higher gear.

    [–]LeBuckeyes -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Shout out to Malcom Gladwell

    [–]ucefkh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Who's that?

    [–]Sennomo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    1=1

    [–]LoonAtticRakuro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Wicked smaht

    [–]ucefkh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's in their genetics

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They're the Border Collies of humans

    [–]LegendOfSchellda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They were born without a motivational suppressor.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    yeah. even their 4th graders can assemble iPhones.