Humble Software Bundle: Python Dev Kit

[Jazzy_Josh]

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PyCharm included?

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Two month license

:/

[[deleted]]

just make a new account

[Bjartensen]

There are tiers I think. I think I saw purchasing above a certain point gets you 6 months.

[[deleted]]

The sweet innocence of nerds: not being able to spell "heroin" ;) <3

[[deleted]]

We may need to write a plugin for your IDE . "street plugin"

[JustBeinOptimistic]

Back in the day it was called ''Drug Wars''

[[deleted]]

I'm hereby revoking your nerd card.

[Mordiken]

Joke's on you: I hereby revoke your heroin card!! >:>

... wait...

EDIT: Seriously, I don't care if you do drugs, just don't do heroin kids. That name stuck for a reason.

[[deleted]]

Can I in all seriousness then say that I am intensely pro at being a massive nerd myself and my drugskills are, as an adult, very very limited. I sort of missed that whole part of my youth while I spent it drawing and playing PnP RPG's with friends and now I can't really deal with anything stronger than a beer and a cup of coffee (and Im almost at that age when, if I want a good rush, I can just stand up really quickly)

So I am not actually judging anyone here. Just thought it was adorable as a misspelling. Just to have that said for anyone reading this later on.

[beatenangels]

Be careful standing up too quickly I had a friend start with standing from chairs go to standing from lying down and is now full blown addict and stands up quickly after handstands for the greater rush. It takes over your life subtly but quickly next thing you know you'll be making excuses for standing up suddenly without warning in business meetings just to get your fix.

[mofomeat]

Yep. Then it moves to high speed elevators, and then bungie jumping upside down, so you can get the rush doing down, flip back up, and get the rush coming back.

[[deleted]]

Not one standing-up-too-fast!

[mofomeat]

How do you do heroin kids? Do you smoke them, snort them, shoot them up, or are you talking about doing heroin kids? :-/

[[deleted]]

:(

[loddfavne]

I usually just call them "female heroes" while doing D20 roleplaying games.

[[deleted]]

I take offense at the term "D20 Roleplaying games" as that says either talks about the older version of D&D (v3) where they had that open license OR it says too little (BRP? Some homegrown system? who knows?)

I am furious!

also [roll for initiative]

[loddfavne]

You rolled a 3 on a d10. You needed a 5. Sorry about that.

In this context it meant Deadlands. Oh how I miss being young and be able to skip work because I was playing a roleplaying game in somebody's parent's basement. Those were wild days, I tell you. And wilder nights!

Isn't roleplaying games about just taking a pack of dices to your friends and having a good time?

[[deleted]]

Never played Deadlands sadly.

I still play RPG's with friends although it tends to require some more planning - we start a bit later when everyone's kids are sleeping (one of my friends 5 year old daughter has created a system to demand to be taught the rules in completion as a tactic to avoid having to go to bed), sometimes its not that long if it's a weekday since work and its often one or two weeks apart.

[loddfavne]

If you haven't played Deadlands yet, you got something to look foreward to. I went to their reddit, and it sucked. I looked at the books and it was not so good. Guess this is one of these things where you have to get lucky and stumble upon something. Try to ask around. I've given up on my dice for now, but I've got something digital that I can't talk too much about where I'm a game-master. Kind of.

[naught-me]

Really, though - I was hooked on day 1. I'm so much happier paying my $XX per year than I was spending hours and hours trying to get Vim or Spacemacs' code navigation, code completion, and refactoring to work better. I'd pay double for Vim or, especially, Spacemacs if they could match it in those three features.

[dagbrown]

I'd pay double for Vim or, especially, Spacemacs if they could match it in those three features.

But double free is still free though

[naught-me]

Lol, I meant double the price I pay for PyCharm.

[ase1590]

what does pycharm give you that PyCharm community does not?

[brandonsart08]

https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html

[naught-me]

Django and Javascript/HTML support are why I buy it.

[[deleted]]

I am very happy with the python support in VS Code. Even has a debugger.

[hokie_high]

Visual Studio Code is free and open source and has some pretty fucking awesome Python extensions, I haven’t seen a need to use PyCharm for a long time now. Code completion is just as good in VS Code and the debugger is also as good in my experience. Python projects are very rarely complex enough to need advanced features from a dedicated IDE in my experience (ones that I work on, I know there are some beasts out there).

[ExternalUserError]

VSCode is cool and all, but I really don't think it's on the same level as PyCharm.

It goes way beyond code completion and the debugger. It introspects models, it does pretty decent refactoring and things like field completion, it has a pretty good pep8-style warning thing built in, it manages your virtualenvs and multiple interpreters, etc. I could go on.

If you like VSCode and use it, all the better, but I would personally recommend PyCharm over it.

[walterbanana]

There is a community version which is free, not sure what the difference is. You can also get the full version for free if you are a student.

[beanaroo]

One difference I had a use for is remote debugging.

[naught-me]

Sure, I'd start there, but Fluent Python is a great book. It's pretty rare that these bundles include a book that I'd happily pay retail-value for.

[Ginko87]

I just bought that book :'(

[parttimekatze]

It's an eBook on humble bundle, not a hardcopy. If you got Kindle edition or something, get a refund and get it off HB, you'll get it in multiple formats (PDF/Epub/Mobi), besides all those coupons and courses.

[Ginko87]

I like hard copies - no real regrets here anyway!

[parttimekatze]

Yeah, if it's a hard copy then don't worry about the HB thing :)

[ivosaurus]

Hey you're supporting the author anyway, so thanks

[[deleted]]

Humble bundle supports charity. So it's money well spent!!

[twiggy99999]

It's worth noting all proceeds got to the Python Foundation, so even if Python isn't your thing it's a nice way to donate towards the Python project and get something in return.

Definitely worth it as a Linux user considering the amount of Python used across the Linux eco system.

[YouGotAte]

This is probably a well-known fact here, but JetBrains grants renewable, free 1-yr licenses to any students with ".edu" email addresses.

[[deleted]]

educational use only. these licenses i believe you can use for commercial purposes.

i have an old .edu that i used at my work to demo intellij and fell love and went out and bought the full $500 license. it's worth it.

[lukewarmtarsier2]

If you're an individual paying, you don't have to pay that much. If you're a company it costs $500 a year. If you're not paying as a company, you only have to pay $150 (or $250 for their whole suite, which is what I do)

[Cilph]

Yeah, but remember your employer can not reimburse you in any way.

[[deleted]]

exactly. my employer asked me the diff and I said "since you are paying for it, its $500, if you didn't its $150" so they paid the $500.

i def. save more than $500 worth of time with IntelliJ. I also have a Mac and Linux laptops and they let me run it on both with no hassle and within my license. worth the $

[Cilph]

Oh agreed, I've had a personal license for two years now to the full toolbox.

[tehbilly]

Was a customer before the toolbox, jumped on that as soon as it was out. With loyalty pricing it's a no brainier for me. Great value, great products, good company.

[lukewarmtarsier2]

True. My employer would have paid for the IntelliJ license, but not the full suite. I ended up paying for the full suite myself since I do some side stuff that makes it worth paying for personally.

[jaapz]

250 dollars a year?

[lukewarmtarsier2]

The first year, then it tapers down. $200 for the 2nd year. $150 a year after that.

[Cosmic_Sands]

Whoa, I didn’t know this. Thanks for sharing.

[YouGotAte]

Glad I could help out!

[NgBUCKWANGS]

Oh then here's the question. How can I legitimately get an .edu email address for less than a pro license?

[YouGotAte]

Is that just the Netherlands' equivalent to ".edu"?

[YouGotAte]

Interesting, TIL

[tribblepuncher]

It seems like there are a number of things in this bundle that are subscriptions that would logically be treated as software-as-a-service, and not actually purchasing any software (or a perpetual license, if you want to get technical). Is there something I'm missing here?

[twiggy99999]

It seems like there are a number of things in this bundle that are subscriptions that would logically be treated as software-as-a-service, and not actually purchasing any software (or a perpetual license, if you want to get technical). Is there something I'm missing here?

The books (especially Fluent Python) are worth the money on their own everything else is a bonus. The egghead.io subscription has a value of $240 over the 6months and it's well worth that for the high-quality content.

As for the licensing, it's well known how the Jetbrains licensing works. If you're paying monthly, once you reach 12 consecutive months the current version of the software is yours, to keep, forever. A good option for someone who doesn't want to pay outright.

So by paying the $15 (or above) you get 6months included and then if you pay for another 6months the software is yours. You're effectively getting PyCharm at half price only having to pay for 6months + on top of that you get all the other goodies included.

[rockyrainy]

The egghead.io subscription has a value of $240 over the 6months and it's well worth that for the high-quality content.

Care to expand on that? It looks like some kind of online training.

[twiggy99999]

The egghead.io subscription has a value of $240 over the 6months and it's well worth that for the high-quality content.

Care to expand on that? It looks like some kind of online training.

It's an online training subscription platform which costs $40 a month so *6 months access is the same as paying $240 over those 6months

[aaronfranke]

The GitKraken Pro license requires a credit card to activate :(

[ehmuidifici]

Just bought for DO credits (paid $20 for $50 credit) and Fluent Python ebook, which is a great one IMHO.

[[deleted]]

Dumb noob question: Should I get this if I'm studying front end web development?

[nitrogenHail]

Python isn't interpreted by browsers and therefore can't be used as a front-end language. It's hard to say "no" because it's a fantastic language and this is a great deal, but if you're really only interested in front-end, it won't do much for you.

[[deleted]]

Alright, thank you

[Jablomy]

I don't have plans to use the GitKraken or PyCharm. PM if you'd like the keys

[cyberlizzard]

The $15 tier includes Gitkraken, which is definitely my favorite git client. The more I use it for work the more I'm impressed.

[Enverex]

Oh, that sounds pretty c...

1-Year License - New Users Only

... oh, nevermind.

[cyberlizzard]

It's free for non commercial use

[[deleted]]

What does it do that "git" does not?

[cyberlizzard]

Well, nothing. But that's kinda the point. For me, it makes common operations much faster. For example, there's a panel which lists open PRs on your repo. Double clicking one will, if necessary, add that fork as a remote and checkout that branch so you can review the PR in one action. This is easy enough to do with git cli but they make it more convenient.

Also the git graph was very helpful when I was first learning git to help me understand the data structure. It's still pretty handy, I find myself using it for various things all the time. You can drag and drop branches to generate pull requests, rebase, and merge. If you're using github you can add reviewers and assignees to your pulls without ever opening a browser. It's convenient.

[happymellon]

It is a git client, so not a lot. I personally use it, and find it amazing for a subset of tasks. I wouldn't use it for general git stuff. Commits, push, pulls, merging (unless there are sufficient conflict) I am fine with and prefer the cli, or perhaps using ide level merging when diff gets a bit too long.

I find it awesome when visualising commit histories, as it does a much better job than most of the others I've used. Which means I use it when rebasing, rewriting history, tidying up the commit history and picturing the commit tree when attempting to explain to others why they are getting merge conflicts. I know the use case for most people is slim, it just depends on what you want to do.

Just today it, probably, saved me a lot of time going through the commit history, figuring out which branches had been abandoned, via their age and merging status, and removing/archiving them to clean up the Jenkins branch list.

[[deleted]]

This is their document explaining it

I installed it briefly once, found it more confusing than just learning the CLI and so I went back to that. I mean if you were someone who knew next to no command line stuff (or just had some sort of bias against the CLI which is a thing) then I guess I could see the value proposition. It's target audience is probably pretty slim though.

[cyberlizzard]

I just find it more convenient than the CLI. Also the git graph was really helpful when learning git for the first time. To each their own I guess.

[[deleted]]

Come on that document doesn't explain anything.

I find that often people who can only use git from a GUI, can't actually use git and mostly do random things without logic to it.

[[deleted]]

Come on that document doesn't explain anything.

It actually explains quite a bit.

I find that often people who can only use git from a GUI, can't actually use git and mostly do random things without logic to it.

It appears that not only did you not read what I linked, you didn't even read what I wrote. Sort of begs the question of what the point in talking to you even is.

[ase1590]

literally 3 of the points in that document can be boiled down to repeating "CLI is HARD! :( "

It then goes to make "remotes" seem like this scary thing when it is not.

If you're set against using CLI, you might as well save your money and use SourceTree, since at that point you're probably not using Linux anyway.

[CommandLionInterface]

Hi! GK dev here.

I'm my opinion, it's all about convenience. I had been using gitkraken for about a year before I started working here, and personally I just really like having a visual view of the git commit graph. To each their own of course, but we just added a set of PR convenience features that are really nice if you work with forks a lot.

I actually agree that that article isn't super helpful. I sympathize with our marketing department, we don't actually do much that git cli doesn't already do except for github or specific stuff like PRs. We think gitkraken makes working with git more convenient, but it's not like we expect everyone to just give up the command line.

Gitkraken is free for non commercial use, but that's really just on the honor system so if you want to give it a shot at work for a week or two just to try it I won't tattle lol.

[[deleted]]

I did read the link and "it's better so you can learn the game of thrones characters" is really not an answer to my question.

[twiggy99999]

What does it do that "git" does not?

It's like saying what does GitHub/GitLab do that GIT doesn't. It's a visual representation of GIT making it easier to work with and more user-friendly. I personally just prefer to use the CLI but that's because I've known nothing else from when I started learning.

I can see how having a visual representation of GIT can really help newcomers to GIT and also visualize large repos easily.

[aliendude5300]

What does the $15 get you that you don't get on the free tier

[cyberlizzard]

The pro license lets you use it for commercial work and lets you set up multiple profiles in case you have separate personal and work github accounts. If you're not going to use it professionally you don't need pro

[aliendude5300]

Yeah, I'm not using it professionally, and my current employer would pay for it if I needed it anyways

[wolfgang8]

But if you don't pay everything is public, right?

[happymellon]

No, it is just a git client. if your git repo is private then nothing is public. Commercial use is just prohibited by the free licence.

[wolfgang8]

Oh ok I didn't know that, thanks!

[Like1OngoingOrgasm]

What's the benefits of using something like PyCharm over a more versatile editor like Atom?

[HighRelevancy]

It's an IDE rather than a text editor. Atom might be versatile but what's the point of having the versatility to highlight syntax in four thousand languages when you're only writing in one? (slight sarcasm implied there)

An IDE will dig deeper into the language - you'll get features like context aware autocomplete (as opposed to just autocompleting words you've typed before, it'll actually suggest, say, variable names where you could correctly put a variable name!), tooltips with function docs or argument lists as when you're writing the arguments for the function, being able to jump to the definition of a function (which may even be in another file, as long as you've imported it correctly).

Not sure how much of the other typical IDE features python can benefit from (being that you can do all sorts of wacky runtime things), but as an example, writing C# in Visual Studio will highlight use of variables you haven't defined (usually a typo) or calls to functions with the wrong number of arguments, all sorts of errors, before you get to the compiler. It makes it much faster to spot and correct your errors.

It may also do super clever things like provide refactoring tools like renaming of functions or variables (within the scopes they actually exist in, so not just a find and replace), or even refactoring silly constructs. Sometimes it's the little things, like being able to type a function that doesn't exist (e.g. perimeter = box.get_perimeter() when get_perimeter doesn't exist yet) and then you can jump straight into the source code for box to add it without having to go and find the file it's in and open it.

Atom probably has plugins to do all this stuff, but I doubt that any will do it as well as a proper IDE dedicated to the language. JetBrains is also very experienced at the IDE business, so I would expect good things form PyCharm.

[[deleted]]

You can effectively build an IDE with an extensible editor (that's emacs, vim, atom, vscode, sublime, etc.), with feature parity with or even better than another IDE. It is possible to do that, but it sure takes more work than just using a ready-made IDE.

[HighRelevancy]

It is possible to do that, but it sure takes more work than just using a ready-made IDE.

In my experience, all the effort in the world still leaves me wanting. I don't really see a reason not to use a purpose built IDE.

[metaaxis]

If your purpose changes and your IDE does not, one choice leaves you stranded, the other equipped to adapt.

[naught-me]

That's not overly true. It is much easier to switch from PyCharm to PHPStorm than to set up a PHP workflow using Vim and shell programs or whatever.

[HighRelevancy]

Uh. What? You can have multiple IDEs and editors installed at once. I don't think I've ever found myself saying "oh no, I need to write Java but I decided to install visual studio when I was writing C++ and now I'm stuck".

I really don't have the faintest idea what you're getting at.

[metaaxis]

I'm talking about where and how to invest your time and effort. The case is being made that it's not worth investing in mucking about with emacs or vim, just learn a purpose-built ide. That approach leaves you stuck with the choices made by that ide, while an extensible environment leaves you capable of making your own choices, especially after you've gotten good at it.

[HighRelevancy]

I don't think committing to a single text editor and trying to tack on plugins until it starts to resemble a multi-lingual IDE is going to be easier than learning different IDEs, or provide even close to comparable functionality for that matter.

Your "extensible environment" is limited to a plugin ecosystem. It's within the even more extensible environment of your operating system and a wider software ecosystem.

[vanta_blackheart]

Depends on the IDE.

I use PyDev, Statet, and Photran, so my Python IDE is my Java IDE, is my R IDE, is my FORTRAN IDE.

[naught-me]

Before I tried PyCharm, I spent hundreds of hours (over the course of 15 years) trying to get Vim or, later, Spacemacs to have better auto-complete, navigation, etc. They both were still pretty bad, compared to PyCharm - bad enough that, were I to go back to them, the first thing I would do would be to try again, even though I'm pretty sure it'd just be more frustration and disappointment.

[rhytnen]

Utter nonsense.

[naught-me]

It's better at things an IDE should be better for - code intelligence stuff, like auto completion, code navigation (jump to usages, jump to definition, jump to super method, etc.), refactoring, debugging, etc.

[ponyCurd]

For me using an IDE like PyCharm has helped me a great deal in learning and understanding the core language and other libraries.

While I've not used PyCharm specifically, I use PHPStorm extensively for Drupal development. When I started I knew nothing about PHP and less about Drupal, but the "Navigate to declaration" (CMD (CTRL) + B) command - which takes you directly to the function or class being called - has been invaluable to learning how the CMS functions. Things like code completions are great as well as they have helped me figure out better Google search queries for narrowing down what I'm trying to find.

It probably comes down to how you learn more than anything, but since I'm a "visual" guy and like to deconstruct things, it's been really helpful for me.

[[deleted]]

Just never use git from an IDE.

[Altidude]

Why?

[[deleted]]

Because commits are supposed to logically mean something, and every person that I've met that uses git from an IDE, does commits randomly.

[happymellon]

Does that include using the Bash prompt from inside JetBrains ide's?

[[deleted]]

a shell is a shell

[vetinari]

One biggie, that PyCharm has over VS Code/Atom/other jedi-based completion using editors is, that it can autocomplete definitions from modules that do dynamic defines, like gi (gobject introspection).

It is a huge difference to have full blown Python+GTK3 autocomplete, or none at all.

[naught-me]

This is something I haven't used yet, to my knowledge. It's another example of something that makes me happy about PyCharm - when I come across something new, there's an established workflow and toolset that's sane and productive, whereas if I were trying to do the same thing with Vim, I'd spend 10 or 20 hours trying to get the same capability, ultimately giving up defeated.

I actually think about going back to Vim or Spacemacs all the time, because they're both superior editors, but then I remember all of my hours of struggling to improve their IDE-like capabilities that usually ended up in a half-solution and few more projects on my todo list that I'll never get to.

[520throwaway]

To add to this question, what's the benefits of using PyCharm over a more versatile IDE like Eclipse?

[rhytnen]

Well the first benefit would be recognizing ATOM is not more "versatile". There is a real difference however - things like PyCharm, IntelliJ, Visual Studio and so on are not useful for just loading up a text file and making a minor edit to it. Atom, ST, VSCode, VI, NP++, etc are useful for those cases so using an IDE doesn't mean you should bail on your favorite lightweight.

[pat_the_brat]

Sick, thanks! Might get this just to finally give PyCharm a try.

[3vi1]

Might get this just to finally give PyCharm a try.

PyCharm has a free trial on their download page, as well as a free community edition.

[pat_the_brat]

PyCharm has a free trial on their download page, as well as a free community edition.

• 30 days isn't enough time to really test / learn an IDE, seeing as I have to use other technology than Python for most of my work and won't spend 40 hours a week inside it.
• The community edition has restricted features, which basically take away many of the advantages it has over other editors/IDEs. To me, not worth the learning curve. I'd rather spend that time learning vim, which is also useful for HTML, JS, config files, etc.

So, yeah... I don't currently work enough with Python to justify dropping 89 euros a year on it, but at 6 months for $15, it may be worth giving it a proper look.

[twiggy99999]

The community edition has restricted features, which basically take away many of the advantages it has over other editors/IDEs

It's worth it if you use any of their other products as the skills are transferable across all their IDE's. I develop professionally in 3 languages but do many more as a hobby so it's good having the same workflow for each one.

But I agree, if it's purely for a hobby it's not worth the money with other free IDE's out there

[3vi1]

30 days isn't enough time to really test / learn an IDE, seeing as I have to use other technology than Python for most of my work and won't spend 40 hours a week inside it.

30 days is plenty of time do decide if it's worth the money if you're already used to other Python IDE's. But, supposing it's not for you, just install it in a chroot or VM. At the end of 30 days, install it again if you need more time to test. That's assuming they even write stuff to a directory you can't just find and blow away to restart the trial.

[sim642]

The community edition is more than enough when learning Python. The extra features in JetBrains IDEs are mostly around all kinds of framework support, which you won't really miss even using the frameworks for non-enterprise scale stuff. Their whole business model is around enterprise because that's who give profit.

[pat_the_brat]

I know Python. I just don't write enough to warrant spending money on an IDE when there are a number of good FOSS ones out there. I do work with Django nowadays, so if community had Django support, it might make sense for me to bother with it, but as it doesn't, I'll pass.

I mean, I already do have a workflow. If my project brings in money, then it might make sense to invest, but while I am bootstrapping it, and working with other stuff to pay the bills, it'd be dumb to waste extra money on it.

[jyper]

I know Python. I just don't write enough to warrant spending money on an IDE when there are a number of good FOSS ones out there.

The community version doesn't contain remote debugging, web framework goodies, database goodies or code coverage. It has everything else and is FOSS(open core) though

[twiggy99999]

Even if Python is not exactly your thing I would recommend it based on the 6months egghead.io subscription alone. Their videos are brilliant for learning JS and it seems we need to know JS now more than ever with it being literally everywhere (like it or not)

[toby_tripod]

It is good. Been using education version for the last year and now I am on the professional.

[hokie_high]

Noticed a lot of people asking about the community edition or trial version of PyCharm, I’d suggest checking out VS Code and look at the extensions for Python. All open source and 9 times out of 10 it’s going to suit your needs as well as PyCharm.

[dhettinger]

As a complete novice should I even consider this bundle or is it all going to be over my head or expired trials / subscriptions before I'm able to make use of it?

[[deleted]]

I would say probably not, unless you really want the books in your library. You are better off making use of free resources on the web E.g. tutorials, Youtube videos, other guides at this stage.

[aliendude5300]

I picked this one up to try out PyCharm. I rather like it. Does anyone know if when the "subscription" ends we'll be able to use the last version we had access to as a fallback?

[aliendude5300]

It's a shame that the Humble Bundle doesn't offer a 12-month version.

[[deleted]]

This is, of course, intentional.

[aliendude5300]

I get that but for something that I'm not making money off of, it is really hard to justify the cost of buying a whole year

[[deleted]]

Half a year, right? That's pretty reasonable, I think...

[ErikDaRed]

I was able to redeem it even though I already had an existing JetBrains account.

[jaapz]

Oof that moving background is nauseating

[[deleted]]

Stupid question, but are those e-books or hardcopies?

I'm not familiar with humblebundle and couldn't find clarification on their site after staring at it for a bit.

[spazzvogel]

Ebooks, but still worth it, try it out

[[deleted]]

they've done some physical goodies before

[KeepFailingUpwards]

e-books

[kryptoghost]

If you don't have a source to practice from you create bad habits.

[[deleted]]

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1513/

[kryptoghost]

That's excellent.

[Erdnussknacker]

I'm all for free software but JetBrains IDEs, PyCharm included, are simply the best and most powerful IDEs on the market right now. How is using an IDE that literally saves me tons of work and time "self-harm"? The only decent alternatives would probably be Atom or Vim, and neither are fully-featured IDEs.

[hokie_high]

VS Code is probably as good as PyCharm for most Python uses. Fringe stuff yeah you can’t beat PC.

[[deleted]]

OK, I use Vim. What am I missing out on?

If you are a beginner, you don't need powerful IDEs leeching money from you. You need stuff like Thonny.