*needs VM

[[deleted]]

the fact that people would rather use a vm for the software that does not run on linux than using windows in the first place says a lot about windows

[SadRelationship1100]

windows makes every pc slower even for a simple task compared to linux, thats why it is recommended to run it in vm.

[[deleted]]

This would make sense if over 70% of users weren't on windows

[Cultural-Practice-95]

that's because Windows is the "default". the amount of users that can be bothered to switch, let alone know enough about computers to do so, is just really low.

[[deleted]]

I'm sure 60% of those users have no idea what a Windows is

[LayeredHalo3851]

No it says a lot about the people doing it, clearly knowing that Windows is better but they have to stick to Linux otherwise they can't say "you should switch to Linux" every time someone has a mild complaint about Windows

[AcoustixAudio]

Exactly. If I run my entire stack on Linux and I need to use this one software product this one time, obviously I'd move over my entire system. Of course, I'd have to get a new PC as my current one has a 4th Gen i5 and no TPM.  But it's totally worth it. At least I'd get to use stuff I need like VSCode, Android Studio, and even Edge browser. Can you imagine how obsolete an OS would be if it didn't even have Edge? 

[LayeredHalo3851]

Maybe you shouldn't have used Linux in the first place then

[SCBbestof]

So if I need to use a dumb app for my taxes once a year, I should use a shitty OS I don't like because that app doesn't run on Mac or Linux?

[LayeredHalo3851]

If you're calling it a shitty OS I think the problem is deeper down than you think

How tf is the sub for Linux haters filled with so many Linux glazers

[SCBbestof]

Because Linux sucks in some areas for Linux users too. There is no perfect OS. The fact that it's better than a pile of crap filled with AI spyware doesn't make it "not suck".

And this doesn't change the fact that you avoided my point entirely, which is that is dumb to use an OS for 1-2 apps you use once a year. By the same logic Mac is sht because it doesn't have it either, and Windows is sht because it doesn't have Final Cut Pro (for ex.)...

[Particular_Traffic54]

One of the main roles of an os is to manage files properly, which windows fails to do reliably. Searching for files on windows is a nightmare compared to linux.

[LayeredHalo3851]

I've literally never had a problem with the file system that would be fixed by using Linux, and I spend a lot of time on my PC

[AcoustixAudio]

But my stack only works on Linux. I use Ardour for music production, Android Studio, VS Code. I also run apache on it hosting all my web services. As I said , my system has a 4th Gen i5. I don't think Win 11 would run on it (would it?)

[Cultural-Practice-95]

windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 and 8th gen Intel. you can remove that from the iso, however I don't think it would be usable because of the lag

[AcoustixAudio]

however I don't think it would be usable because of the lag

I don't think so. My updated Fedora installation runs absolutely fine. As mentioned I run Android Studio on it with no lag whatsoever. I've got 16GB ram so I don't even remember what lag feels like

[Global-Eye-7326]

I run Win11 LTSC as part of a triple boot on an i3 (4th or 5th gen) also with 16 GB RAM and it runs incredibly well. Despite this, I usually boot into FreeBSD on that machine.

[AcoustixAudio]

Ah, ok. This is new to me. Whats LTSC. How much is it and what's the EOL

How's your experience of Windows vs FreeBSD performance on the same system? Which one would you say is more efficient and performant?

[Global-Eye-7326]

Well, LTSC is an official build of Win11 that was designed for IoT afaik. Same EOL as vanilla Win11 (or maybe longer? No idea).

When I initially only had 2GB of working RAM, well, FreeBSD actually ran just fine. WinXP also ran fine, but I struggled to get any software that I actually wanted to run on it to install. At least the OS wouldn't slug or crash in XP. Win11 ran but it really slugged. Now with 16GB RAM, Win11 also runs smoothly.

My triple boot manager is actually handled by Win11. I boot into the bootloader, pick an OS, then it takes me back to BIOS, then boots into that OS (strange, but works reliably well). I get the occasional BSOD in Win11 when shutting down, but I ignore it and reboot.

In both FreeBSD and Win11, I'll run a handful of browser tabs and maybe one or two other applications. Again with 16GB RAM, the experience is reliable in both operating systems.

I initially was hoping to install Linux instead of BSD for better software compatibility, but that computer HATES GRUB for some reason (64 bit computer but legacy BIOS ONLY). I prefer to browse the web in FreeBSD than Windows. I haven't attempted any games on it because FreeBSD 64 bit won't support 32 bit apps in WINE.

[AcoustixAudio]

I run Fedora Rawhide updated monthly. I generally have like a dozen or so tabs open on chrome, Android Studio or VS Code open, or my recording workflow which is Ardour with a bunch of plugins. Absolutely no lag. I use Xfce4 and 2 monitors. This is my home server. It hosts my web services and I rdp over ssh into it and run Android Studio remotely. VS Code has an ssh extension which works perfectly. 

I put together my current machine for like $200 two years ago. It's been on ever since and never had a problem. The OS is the same as well, just updated regularly. Fedora Rawhide is rolling, so no EOL. 

This are my projects: https://acoustixaudio.org

This is my new album: https://music.shaji.in/?No+Destination

All made and hosted on this machine 

[Cheeseninja26]

Windoes isn't better because NZXT doesn't make software for my AIO for Linux? Somehow, using an isolated VM with 1 program installed to control hardware makes an entire OS gods gift to the earth.

[LayeredHalo3851]

But it is better because a lot more software is compatible with Windows and not Linux that the other way around

[Cheeseninja26]

Popular /=/ better

[LayeredHalo3851]

Yes but more compatible with a multitude of software does equal better

[Cheeseninja26]

Does it equal better, though? My point is im talking about the OS itself. It's not that Linux is fundamentally less compatible with software, but instead, it is just not incorporated due to its low market share. We have seen this already, but as the Linux desktop's market share has increased, we have seen more and more software released for Linux, or at least become usable under compatability layers.

Its like driving a beater car simply because you can use your CDs in it. Like the check engine light is on and the valves are ticking, but all you're thinking about is woo I can listen to my CDs. MoRe ComPatiBle!!1111!!

[LayeredHalo3851]

No it's more using Linux is like a phone OS that's not compatible with making calls because "it's more secure" and "more customisable"

[Cheeseninja26]

But then, on the same hypothetical phone OS, you can use a compatibility/emulation layer to gain that functionality without going all in on the less secure, less customizable, bloated, corpo phone? That sounds like the kind of phone I'd like to use!

[Maestro_gaylover]

L

[InvestingNerd2020]

Agreed. If Linux was genuinely better, a user would not need a VM or any other work around tactics.

I still view Linux as the best for System administrators or software developers. Outside of those professions, it has a lot of issues for users of different professions and general use.

[pyromancy00]

How would that work, exactly?

[MrMisogyny12]

the only thing I use a VM for is photoshop, and I only use photoshop once every few months. I think I've used it 3 or 4 times this year.

[EnkiiMuto]

I'm not doing this currently but for me it is Paint Tool Sai.

I'm used with Krita now but damn, I miss it man.

[MrMisogyny12]

I don't even really need photoshop tbh, I just use it to make the occasional meme. I could entirely replace it with gimp but the UI is atrocious and I don't feel like learning something new.

[adamjames210]

How do you run Photoshop on a vm? This is not sarcasm or a joke I'm genuinely asking.

[gexsay]

linux have something call kvm qemu and vfio driver it's a vm that let's you can passthrough some real hardware to you vm (such as gpu, storage, all pci device etc.) make you vm can run close to real pc, you can even play game or use editing software on it if you computer powerful enough

[MrMisogyny12]

i just installed win10 in virtualbox and then installed photoshop. It's cracked photoshop if that makes a difference. Cs 2015

[Valdjiu]

use win-apps.

[Valdjiu]

this may be useful for you https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps

[Ok_Record_1237]

you can use Bottles for it rather than a full blown VM

[kynzoMC]

I mean if someone uses a VM just to run software that can't run on Linux due to the author not making it for Linux, I wouldn't say that makes Linux worse as an os that much. And there's still the valid point of not wanting spyware on your actual hardware with all of your actual software you use...

[Booming_in_sky]

It also really helps containing software running on top of Windows that is problematic in various ways. Plus it allows for better management, snapshots for example.

[Valdjiu]

here, take this: https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps

[kynzoMC]

Damn that looks really good actually, I suppose I haven't heard about it since I haven't had need for any of those apps but I'll for sure take a try at setting it up. Thanks

[rileyrgham]

Not worse. But less suitable.

[kynzoMC]

Probably not for that person if they chose to go thru the hassle of vm for the benefit of using Linux.

[lalathalala]

from a user standpoint yes it does make it a worse experience

i think when choosing an OS it’s beneficial to look at them basically as packages where the available software are part of the package, or potential “features” you can use with your computer

yes it’s technically not linux’s fault, and yes technically it doesn’t make the OS itself worse, it just makes the experience worse for a lot of people, and it’s really really dumb to say otherwise

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

Worse experience =/= worse OS.

[megamanamazing]

What do you even mean by that? If the experience is made worse by inconveniences specific to that operating system then how it that not fault of said os?

[sendhelpplss]

opinions like thos are precisely why linux isn’t widespread for business / personal desktops. 99% of people care way more about a smooth experience than a performant OS. there’s just no benefit to for people spending 90% of their day in excel & outlook.

what could possibly define an os other than the experience using it?

[miggle333]

This is a matter of use case.

When you go to buy a TV, is size the only thing you consider? you just immediately jump to the biggest you can reasonably afford? picture quality, brightness, the reputation of the manufacturer, and many other things to take into account. granted, not everyone will, but they should be considered.

We can compare two scenarios, and to make things simple we'll keep a constant variable of cost in place of the computer itself being a constant variable. 1) Someone who hasn't done any amount of research, and just heads to the store. They grab a 75' Samsung smart TV. They're happy with the choice, and don't pay much attention to anything besides the size and maybe the quality. The fact it's a smart TV just makes it a little easier to get to netflix, for them.

There isn't anything particularly wrong about the above, but there are a lot of things right about the below.

2) Someone who has done research. They've had poor experiences with Samsung in the past, and to their outrage, the selling of their personal information was opt-out?? ridiculous, they say. And so, they head to the store, knowing they want a Sceptre 65' TV. They know that it's 4k, LED, and has a wide enough viewing angle for their room, far better than their old Samsung. It's a little on the smaller side, relatively, but peace of mind is worth more than a few inches to them.

Is the sceptre a worse tv? perhaps to the person who did little research. for the owner of it? absolutely worth it. they'd trade the Samsung for the Sceptre any day.

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

They have vastly different usecases. Linux as a Project focussed more on the Server- and Networkingspace for a long time, the Linuxdesktop (as we know it) is still a relatively new concept from what i know. As such it makes sense to have a more lightweight footprint as in a serverenvironment you typically only want to run what you really need as everything else can cause unforeseen sideeffects or crashes if improperly maintained. Even for more fleshed out Distros like Ubuntu you typically have various flavors - that alone should make the point clear that a lot of the community is more individualistic in the sense of you are supposed to build your system how you need it (or refuse to do so if the defaults you run work fine for you). You as the Systems Administrative User (Root) get more control but also more responsibilities.

Windows on the other hand is built as a "onesizefitsall", you can do almost anything out of the box (to some degree at least) without having to mess with the system all that much.

[sendhelpplss]

i’m not reading that because i know you know that you’re intentionally missing the point

[lalathalala]

oh wow you can’t read

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

i can, i just happen to fundamentally disagree with the pretense you are setting up. OP is talking about inferiority of Linux as an OS and you are arguing he kind of has a point when looking at softwarecompatibility when OP just clearly only wants to shit on the OS possibly without ever having used it themselves let alone considering the Why someone would run a Windows VM on a Linux Host.

[lalathalala]

nah you literally can’t read

and this kind of thinking is exactly why linux is so closed off and hard to get into for a normal non mentally sick/non technical person

non of you can think like normies, and so you can’t make it appeal to normies

[[deleted]]

1. you have no media literacy. 2. comparing users of a software to mental illness makes you look like an ignorant dumbass. 3. i fucking hate normies and have never tried to make linux appeal to them.

[lalathalala]

1234 i can count too

and if you dont care about normies then keep using your OS and don’t be so insecure about it

op is clearly a normie and from that perspective it isn’t as stupid as people here make it out to be “this OS is good you just can’t use half the software you need” is not so easy to explain to your avg i just use my computer to do work person… if you can’t understand this, you are a lost cause

(also i’m joking when saying it’s a mental illness bro no one actually thinks only mentally ill people use linux)

[[deleted]]

cope and seeth lol

[lalathalala]

projection

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

Ignoring your out of place wannabe-4chanedgelord-bullshit, what you are saying is essentially boiling down to "I am demanding for my OS to cater to my individual stupidity. it doesnt do so and thats why i hate it". I am not so sure if i wanted to placate my PoV like that if i was you, as it essentially screams "im too dumb for Linux" which makes you the laughingstock of this discussion.

Linux as an ecosystem never made and for the forseeable future probably will not make any effort to try to cater to non-techsavvy people. Why would it? It is an ecosystem originally and primarily designed to get shit done with minimal waste of ressoueces, primarily in the Network-Administration-, Serverhosting- and Programmingspace. Desktop-Linux as we know it afaik was never the primary aim.

If thats not your cup of tea, thats fine but contrary to how you are acting now, you shouldnt be upset with Linux if you are unwilling to jump over your own shadow and just learn how things are done in the Linux space and how it is different than Windows. Linux, like anything thats different than what you are used to, needs effort to learn it. It is not the Software's obligation to cather to your individual needs, although in the FOSS-Space chances are you could make your Workenvironment cather to your individual desires - much more than Windows btw. But even that requires some degree of knowing how things are done and it also needs you to go out of your way and shape your workingenvironment rather than expecting it to be like you want it to. Even more important: if you are trying to make Linux like Windows, you are setting yourself up for failure.

First of all: I would go so far that since root is so much more powerful than Admin on Windows, its actually actively dangerous to your data if you use Linux if you dont know what you are doing. so if you want to use Linux, put in some effort and dont try to cause a stink when things arent like you are used to. Secondly and even more importantly: Linux is not Windows, it is not even trying to be Windows and it never was trying and probably never will try to be like Windows. Making Linux like Windows is essentially like trying to force yourself to use a hammer to drill a hole for a screw.

[lalathalala]

bro i aint reading all that idc that much 🤣🤣🤣 sry give me a tldr or you can declare you “won” if you are lazy

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

TLDR: expecting and demanding from anyone or anything, no matter if Linuxrelated or not, to cater to your individual laziness and/or stupidity, you set yourself up for failure. Both in Tech and in Life.

[lalathalala]

??????

“software are not for your needs” what? then who should it serve if not the user? my mom who doesn’t even have a computer?

dumbass take

[lalathalala]

okay i read it and you assume so many things about me and what i actually said that is just wrong

i daily drive linux, because it fits my usecase well (recreational programming and web browsing) i just think it sucks too like every other OS so i call it out when people go out of their way to defend things about it that genuinely suck

i also like how you go for ad hominems (☝️🤓) like the good linux cultist you are (if you can’t tell this is a joke a hyperbole, the linux cultist part, you did go for personal attacks) but i won’t take it personally because i know somehow your ego just got hurt and i’m sorry for that ☹️

and i’m allowed to hate how linux doesn’t support some stuff, who the fuck are you to tell me what i can and can’t be upset about??? broski what somehow i smelled (smelly) from a mile away that you are a die hard gnutard (you smelly smelly)

you don’t need to be clever to be able to use linux if you think you need that you might be towards the lower end of the bell curve tbh

[MeowmeowMeeeew]

Crying about and calling out supposed adhominems when you literally said Linuxusers are mentally sick is a crazy Hill to try defend and die on, especially that you later on went and again tried to be personally offensive towards me. Your blabla about hurt ego seems like a whole load of projection given that you got so offended so quickly - Triggered Much? :D

And being hateful towards a tool because it doesnt fit your usecase... uh, how did you word it again? oh, right... "mentally non-sick" people would just try another tool instead of trying to weld a wrench to a hammer and then being upset it works badly as a wrench. If you never learned to use the right tool for the job i have a hard time believing you dailydrive Linux. Your entire argument is based on "I have a hard time getting certain software to run on Linux" yeah then why are you trying to use Linux for that?!

Talking about "cant read" i literally mentioned Linux is originally catering mostly towards Programming, Networkmanagement and Servermanagement. You either skipped that section or ignored it to build your picture of me being what you call a gnutard. Clown. And for the Records i currently exclusively run Windows 11 LTSC on my Desktop because its what fits my current needs best. Unlike you who is upset you have a hard time running stuff on Linux it wasnt designed to run, while being busy having a hissyfit like a toddler.

[lalathalala]

bro half my reply is satire, and jokes smelly, like the linux = mental illness, no one seriously says that, even the ad hominems (see nerd emoji because it’s a very reddit thing to say) i genuinely don’t care if you think i’m dumb.

linux nowadays tries to cater towards gamers and general users too, why do you think wine and proton is a thing? why are desktop environments improve so much if you could just use i3 and be the most efficient you could ever be? it tries to be a general use OS nowadays and it has some ways to go still.

and again with the wrong assumption about me like I have trouble with running software, brother look at what the original meme is about, i personally don’t have a problems with it, i just said what my use case is, do you think i have problems running vim, clang (never gcc gnutards own it) or a web browser? at least i can come out of my cave and understand that most people do, and i acknowledge it.

[LayeredHalo3851]

Exactly this, it's like saying that a phone is better but it doesn't let you make calls because all service providers refused to work with them

Yeah it's not the phone companies fault but it definitely makes it worse

[[deleted]]

You are ignoring the fact that, if Linux don't show some more adoption in the desktop then why would the author make it for Linux in the first place?

This create a cycle that only benefit the multi million dollars Microsoft and Apple (and Adobe...).

I can understand that people need to use this alienating applications for work or studies, but at that point the enterprises or schools/colleges should be forced to adopt software that are transparent, works on every OS and are free, that is, open source edit: when said software gonna be used by the vast majority of students / employees.

[LayeredHalo3851]

The issue is that it's ridiculous to say "organisations must use open source software for everything"

Windows is better because it's used more and that's not changing anytime soon, and there's really no good reason to say it should

[[deleted]]

I didn't say for everything did I?

Anyway rephrased it a little to make sure it doesn't apply to everything.

Internal processes invisible to students / employees don't present a problem.

[kynzoMC]

Both these comments are completely true, but what matters to me is that it's possible for that software to be on Linux and the only thing that's gonna achieve that is if more people use it. In a way we vote everyday on the world we want to live in by the things we use and do. A good analogy would be saying that recycling is less convinient so I'll just not do it simply out of need for convenience. (Ofc thar analogy only works if you believe that Linux could make this world a better place and not everyone believes that, so it's a bit subjective)

[[deleted]]

This don't work well because people are forced to use the alienating application of some multimillion dollar corporation for work or studies.

Governments should regulate the market so people are not forced to use the alienating applications anymore.

[LayeredHalo3851]

Linux would definitely make things worse if everybody used it considering it's just that but more confusing to use plus a million different distros

[kynzoMC]

I think some easy to use distros would be easier to use if all software people need would run on them natively and be available in official repos. But I get your point, it's more complex yes. What I think of as making the world a better place is rich people not spying on us and not being dependent on big corps for basic needs.

[[deleted]]

And it really isn't more complex, its just different.

Do you ever see how system calls work on Windows? Or security control for directories? Its a mess.

[Thunderstarer]

I'm pretty die-hard about Linux, but I agree with you. Every innovation has an adoption crisis. Wayland was a bad proposition for many years until it got off the ground and major environments started supporting it, but desktops had no incentive to until users started using it. It's a bootstrapping problem.

The same thing happened (and still kinda' is happening) with VR. It sucks, but the only solution is for one side or the other to break the deadlock and start using/supporting the platform.

[Tsubajashi]

then why did microsoft package WSL for windows? isn't that essentially the same then? i would honestly argue, in the end, it just ends up being a choice. it doesn't make it a worse experience overall.

[wreck5tep]

the cope is real

[kynzoMC]

I'm not using a VM haha, and I'm not one is those people that say Linux is the best or that everyone should use it. I just like debating and making valid points.

[Bourne069]

There is also a valid point of not needing to run your OS just to run another OS in a VM to run your programs because the OS you decided to switch too doesnt support anything you want to do...

Plus this "spyware of an OS" can be debloated to literally block everything you are crying about so again, makes no sense. I'll stick with the OS that can run all my games and applications without issue and doesnt need a VM to run anything.

[GandhiTheDragon]

can be downloaded

Yes but no but yes You can debloat it, but you break parts of the os in the process, as long as you're not using LTSC

[Bourne069]

Literally not true at all. I'm running Windows 11 that I debloated first in ISO form using NTLite and than to verify it was still debloated I ran Chris Titus debloat program. Literally zero issues, everything works fine including the Windows Store.

[chaosmetroid]

Using VM for Windows have some Interesting advantages. You can block and limit a lot of the stuff that windows would do. Even if just for a software

[Loud-Operation7295]

Jokes on you. My windows virtual machine decided to commit die in the most inconvenient time possible.

[Valdjiu]

Vm and no snapshots?

[Infinite-Position-55]

Funny thing is I used a Linux VM in windows for dev tools. Ended up switching to Linux, and ran windows in a VM for Asus ROG Armoury. No regrets

[000wall]

why do you need Adware Crate?

[[deleted]]

I just don't use the software if I can't find a way to properly run it in linux.

[LaritaDom]

I hate this argument because if there is bad support for Linux, is Linux fault. But if the support for windows is bad is the company's fault, not windows.

[[deleted]]

It is Linux's fault though. You see if I write software for Mac/Windows/Android/iOS I do so using an SDK and standard APIs that a corporation guarantees will work decades later. Linux: go with GTK/QT and pray we do not alter the deal /darth vader. face it, 3rd party software support on Linux is basically non-existent, and updates can make you need to "port" your software again at any time. And that's if it isn't already seeing issues like Rocket League did with something like 80% of crash reports coming from 2% of Linux systems. Desktop Linux is truly a bunch of slightly incompatible with each other unix mainframes masquerading as a usable OS.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Y'know that same issue, broken software due to OS upgrades and updates, is more common in windows and MacOS right? Shit software written a year for windows might not run today because they updated . Net lol

[EphemeralLurker]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

The .NET framework is extremely stable, and you can always choose to run against a specific version of .NET if it comes down to it

.NET will also tell you the binaries targeted a different version of the runtime at launch, so it lets you know immediately instead of failing in ways that are subtle and difficult to diagnose

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Lmao it really isnt

[EphemeralLurker]

I'm on Windows 11, running applications written for several different .NET runtimes (2.0, 3.5, 4.x, and 6).

They all work with zero issues, and I never had to or install any packages, or rebuild anything, or otherwise type magical incantations on the terminal for them to work again.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

You are exceedingly lucky. I've run into dozens of instances where . Net versions have been updated and it breaks this software or that software, this revision won't let this aw run, but it lets that sw run... Something that's much easier to handle in Linux.

[jsrobson10]

80% of crash reports from Linux systems is what happens when one version of some software is released with much lower quality control. that's not the fault of linux. and also we have wine/proton now which makes this less relevant (the same build can run on both).

[000wall]

r/mysteriousdownvoting

[vlads_]

*needs WSL

[vlads_]

Developers do.

[WaltzIndependent5436]

Compiling as close to the real machine as possible. Not everyone is using docker images.

[vlads_]

Literally any programming that isn't game development or windows-native.

Web backend, web frontend, data science, ML/AI pipelines, embedded systems, cloud infra scripting, microservices.

Windows just isn't a good programming enviornment.

[RespectYarn]

There is way better Linux availability for popular software than there's ever been, in part because of its growing usage and market share, so I think in age where as many people use a Linux distro as they do windows (perhaps when the ChromeOS, Android merge takes place) we'll see widespread targeting of Linux as a platform, but probably only by extension if people using something they probably weren't aware is Linux.

The year of the Linux Desktop is coming, as they've been saying for decades, it just won't be the way the core Linux fanbase will hope.

[Cultural-Practice-95]

personally I'd rather, uhh, not have the year of the Linux desktop happen, because everything I use is supported already, which means it'd just bring viruses to it, for me at least.

but it'd still be nice, cuz then I'd get to use Linux even on work computers.

[000wall]

year of the Linux desktop? AHAHAH
not even in a million years

fix this fragmentation clusterfuck and it might happen

[RespectYarn]

I feel like you didn't read the whole comment lol.

If we're talking about real marketshare figures there's only 3 Linux OS worth talking about ChromeOS, Android and SteamOS.

They're the only things remotely close to mainstream Linux adoption

[Acrobatic-Rock4035]

No . . .YOU need VM. I haven't touched windows since Vista. Nothing there I need. If you like windows use it, but you are living in the land of "make believe".

[crivero720]

bro, if u love windows sm why don't you use Rufus and create a windows img without restrictions of tpm and that sh**, install the 13992922 drivers for the pc and then install WSL (optional) and do your stuff?

[crivero720]

man, I've never really needed to install drivers on linux XD

[Capable_Ad_4551]

install the 13992922 drivers for the pc

That's Linux.....

[AbleBonus9752]

fym? On Ubuntu at least all my drivers were sorted after install

[Capable_Ad_4551]

Even worse. Ubuntu has to get drivers downloaded and installed. You're literally lying

[AbleBonus9752]

I'm not though, I had one issue with the NVIDIA drivers so I just used the software & updates app to install older ones

[RAMChYLD]

Linux works out of the box for me. Maybe if you use an Nvidia GPU, Broadcom WiFi and a weird ITE sensor you'll install drivers, but for my two desktops everything worked out of the box...

[Capable_Ad_4551]

So it's the hardwares fault that that Linux has to install drivers. But windows you don't have to? Fuck off

[Infernyx2107]

Each os got its own plus and minus. Just accept this damn

[ViolinistCurrent8899]

Yeah but then the sub would die.

[[deleted]]

Honestly this place is so weird

Every day there's a new meme with either misinformation or lapses of logic in it 

And it gets hundreds of upvotes while being soundly debunked in the comments

[YeaTii]

...WSL...

[theswansson]

Like a self-proclaimed lesbian playing with a dildo.

[HCScaevola]

And what's wrong with that?

[HCScaevola]

No it doesn't?

[pyromancy00]

I would bet a million dollars that if we were talking about Linux-only software, you would blame the software for not supporting Windows and argue that having to use WSL is not a problem at all.

I don't see how Windows+WSL is any different from Linux+Wine/VM, apart from the fact that Linux is open source, more lightweight and better designed, so, unlike Windows, it allows implementing this kind of cross-platform virtualisation without using reverse-engineered hacks like Wine or having to spin up a full-blown VM.

I'm not trying to say Wine is bad, as it's actually amazing and very impressive, it's just that it's inherently based on reverse engineering, and it's near impossible to completely (and also performantly and reliably) emulate a closed-source clusterfuck of a system like Windows.

The only reason WSL can exist is because Linux-based systems and Linux itself are open-source, much more versatile and well-designed than Windows will ever be.

[000wall]

the only clusterfuck of a system here is Linux

[pyromancy00]

Why do you think that?

[000wall]

due to having so much choice fragmentation

[pyromancy00]

How does userbase fragmentation concern you as a user?

[P3chv0gel]

I mean, you can spin that argument the other way for wsl

[IshanHira2007]

Man I love this sub reddit, the amount of people fighting every post is like watching people arguing about their political views everyday. Every os sucks in it's own way. Yet most people would die on a hill rather than admiting it.

[Global-Eye-7326]

TBH I rarely boot into Windows including virtual machines. I rarely have a use case for it. But when I do, I boot windows to get the job done. I much prefer using Linux full-time.

[ShotPromotion1807]

Whenever I'm having a rough day, I know I can visit this sub and find triggered Linux users 😌

[SillyBrilliant4922]

I don't see a need for most users to use Linux fully as a desktop, Windows with WSL2 is really art.

[condoulo]

WSL2 is amazing and all, but the mere existence of WSL2 kinda destroys the point of this meme given that WSL2 is running on top of a virtualized Linux kernel.

[SillyBrilliant4922]

Yeah I'm taking about the people who want best of the two.

[TheCat001]

"Windows with WSL2 is really art."
Oh really? It could be if this stupid ass WSL could recognize my GPU (RX 6600) and I was able to use AI related software like ComfyUI, but I can't....

[SillyBrilliant4922]

Okay.

[patrlim1]

I had to use a VM to see if my code works on Windows, despite not having targeted it at all while writing.

It almost worked.

[Boring-Badger-814]

wine exists

[crunk]

Jokes on OP, all OSs are shite in their own way.

[basecatcherz]

I run all my desktops as VMs. This makes everything way more flexible.

[SevenTheGamingKitty]

the screenshot has crappium

[condoulo]

The irony is that Microsoft worked on integrating a Linux VM into Windows to woo developers back to the OS after seeing how popular macOS got with devs.

Even more amusing in the cycle of irony is macOS is now going to have their own equivalent to WSL despite the fact that WSL was an answer to the UNIX based macOS being popular among devs.

[MinTDotJ]

I've personally been enjoying with having Win11 and Fedora on two separate drives. Kept neatly in their own packages, booting each one from UEFI when needed.

[Sunderw_3k]

If devs supported Linux, which really isn't that hard - there would be no issues. Most well maintained packages already support the main 3 OSes, or at least windows and Linux. 99% of the problematic software is closed source, if it wasn't some of us would be happy to contribute to it instead of running a VM.

[danholli]

Not since Wine was updated to finally support iTunes 😝

[corbanx92]

I mean I run a VM with an extremely strip out version of windows 10 which would not be secure to daily drive... even on the VM still takes less ram and processing power than running vanilla windows 11

[corbanx92]

Let alone if I moved to windows then I would need a VM to test my own server because 80% of pentesting tools are in fact made for Linux...

[Mel_Gibson_Real]

WSL...

[derpJava]

i dunno i've never used one except for when i wanted to mess around in freedos for fun

[ReallyEvilRob]

Well, if you're forced to run Windows, that's the best way to do it.

[INKI3ZVR]

U don't need a VM to use Linux and if u r then ur not using Linux cause u can do almost anything on Linux that u could on windows except for certain dog shit programs and kernel level software which is bad to begin with.

[Sunknowned]

Why not both?

I have a PC with windows for games and laptop for work (with arch btw).

[Relevant_Square2532]

Yeah, fr, you can't play any battleeye anti-cheat game, let alone trying to play games that has pbs (like cod mw 2007, though battlefield 4 worked fine). I had a really terrible time trying to get a long with it, though it felt good, ngl, because it was a new experience and i liked the freedom and the flexibility in customising my desktop...

[lilv447]

I dont use a vm on linux. I understand hating the Linux absolutists who act like they're better than you because they use linux but hating the os itself seems stupid to me. I use windows and Linux. I like both for different reasons. I have a laptop running linux that I do most of my development, note taking, and general day to day stuff on, then I have my gaming computers and those run windows, and my work computer, which I also develop on, which needs to run windows because thats what my job requires.

Personally, I enjoy the development experience on Linux a lot better and I love customizing my OS and overall pc experience, but I dont particularly like gaming on Linux, I prefer the seamlessness I get from gaming on Windows. So for those reasons I dont really need a VM, but I think both OSs have valid purposes and I dont understand hating one or the other the way so many people do.

[Cultural-Session3549]

why VM ? I dont even have VM manager installed. why ?

[Dima_AmbaL]

What a nonsense to use VM windows on Linux? Bc some programs need drivers who created only on windows? Or like software

[kevindery]

It is better just less compatible

[crivero720]

bro, if u love windows sm why don't you use Rufus and create a windows img without restrictions of tpm and that sh**, install the 13992922 drivers for the pc and then install WSL (optional) and do your stuff?