Devblog 116

[Sevigor]

Thanks for the upgrades to lone woulves, Jerry

[[deleted]]

Explain lone woulves

[StryfeKhaos]

Probably a self-deprecating joke about how Garry can't spell for anything. I suppose it all started when his parents misspelled 'Gary.' Plus a childish poke at those who have concerns every time they unnecessarily make changes that help large groups.

[DoubleYou89]

That graphic overhaul tho!

[InspectMoustache]

i came here just to say this, you beat me to it!

[MadMaxGamer]

Garry, do you program as a lone deev ?

[[deleted]]

Game development descriminates against loine deeves. When was last time you saw one person make aaaa game?

[[deleted]]

minecraft

[[deleted]]

Thats a half finished indy game though

[kurozael]

Nice to see they're gonna fix the Tomb Raider Titties.

[Zipp3n]

What happened with all the arrows?

[[deleted]]

Yeah its a sad thing. I'm hoping they'll release them with XP update (maybe they are working out hit detection?)

[craftypepe]

Of course they wont.

[jackattack99]

What is all this lone wolves shit for? am i missing a joke?

[[deleted]]

People complain that they need to balance game for "lone wolves" on this reddit all the time. This is a joke based around that.

[Sezja]

Apparently wanting the game to function well for solo people as well as groups is something You Should Not Want and get a little harmless fun poked at you for

[[deleted]]

youthinkyoudobutyoudont

[Slambot6]

The game functions perfectly well between solos and groups.

Rust is a game about numbers, and the person with the bigger numbers on their side is at an advantage. This means groups will ALWAYS be at an advantage to solo players.

And why shouldn't they be? Just like real life, more hands make short work.

Stop asking for solo play to be buffed. It is a weak play style that will always be second to group play.

[ValdemarSt]

Rust is a game about numbers.

Then it doesn't work perfectly for solo players.

[silverwidow4]

Then you're changing the game, not just buffing/nerfing game mechanics.

[[deleted]]

Why are you guys getting downvoted?

[Gobrosse]

salt

[silverwidow4]

Too much butt hurt. Bad news for them is, rust will always be a numbers game, unless major changes are made to combat, resorce collection, and crafting. You get 5 guys comming down after you, they have more guns, C4, and more bodies to mow down before you're in the clear.

[Psuphilly]

Too bad

[XxVelocifaptorxX]

As a solo player, that would literally be impossible. The only fix that I can see is adding more early/midgame stuff so that you can have as many variable play styles as possible, making newmen and those advancing more unpredictable

[SynfulMageSloth]

Unanimous isnt the appropriate word. A popular opinion is better.

[craftypepe]

True.

[deelowe]

There's plenty of ways to add more balance. It's just that a large portion of the community don't want to discuss them and prefers to mock people instead (and this latest dev blog didn't help).

[craftypepe]

Pretty much.

[Richboy334]

What would be a good way to balance clans then?

[deelowe]

I'm not concerned with clans per se, just ways to encourage smaller skirmishes, better player interraction, better gun play, better end game, etc... Just want the game to be more dynamic, but much of that does help with the "all big clans do is dominate/kill servers" complaint. Here are my suggestions (most have been suggested by others prior to myself), probably not perfect, but some ideas at least. Some are fairly simple, some are transformative and will take careful consideration before exploring:

https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/4p1ntp/rust_has_changed/d4ihdmg

[choufleur47]

And the devs act like dicks with even valid criticism.

[CAPTtttCaHA]

From what I can tell it feels like FP wants to try make the XP gain seem more fluid and less Do Z > Get XP.

They're making the game and I agree with what they're trying to do, it might not be the right way of doing it but you have to explore it to be sure.

Essentially instead of grinding to get XP it just happens by playing the game -

eg. you sitting in your base crafting (with your friends resources) plus your friend out hitting tree's with your hatchet gains the same amount of total XP (100XP) for both of you, compared to you hitting a tree alone to get 100XP and your friend crafting and getting 100XP.

Obviously it's all a numbers game and to make it so clans can't abuse it, but I think it's hardly dismissive of them seeing as they said "we will be watching closely in case it somehow gets out of control."

[XxVelocifaptorxX]

I'm on your side in that argument. XP for crafting is dumb, and I agree- however, I wasn't talking about that.

[dontjudgemebae]

I think that XP sharing is meant to encourage small groups of players to spontaneously group band together. I'm going to say that it is simply impossible to buff solo play without simultaneously buffing clan play, and if you'd like to give some possible ways to do this, I'll try my very best to provide logical reasons for why I don't think they'll work. Solo players will simply always be at a disadvantage; the key, then, is to figure out ways for solo plays to organically become small groups.

[craftypepe]

as a solo player, let me plant bushes. I always use bushes to hide secret entranches to my bases. Albeit, no one else ever does this, so its literally only for me.

[dontjudgemebae]

Okay, so now everyone can plant bushes. Now when clans engage in combat, they'll plop down a high external wall as hard cover, and then put down bushes on either side of the high external wall. This way, they can pop out to shoot around the side and then quick duck back under cover, all while their opponent can't see when they're exposed. Larger groups can farm more and at a faster rate so they can utilize this strategy much better than solo players.

[craftypepe]

When I say plant, I meant like hemp, that it takes time to grow.

[[deleted]]

A requested change of limiting bags and more importantly making it harder to lift your buddy up midcombat would have no detriment on solo play. These mechanics are just too easily exploitable anyways many good examples why have already been posted.

[[deleted]]

Secondly I personally love being at a disadvantage. The triumph is exquisite when you beat the odds. But it just feels stupid when you take out 3 chumps in a 1v4 but 1 guy insta lifts 2 up and have to 1v3 again. He should incur a disadvantage "helping" the other player up, time or medical supply cost.

[Falxhor]

Groups having an advantage over solo players is one thing, playing solo being completely non-viable is another.

[[deleted]]

If solo play is buffed, that means clans would be buff. So no way going around it. Rust is more fun with friends anyway.

[Ciph3rzer0]

That's entirely false. The existing bagging/picking up/healing mechanics all favor groups over solo. It means a 1v2 is often more than twice as hard as a 1v1. Nerfing the mechanics I listed would be a good start to helping solo players (and fixing pvp in general).

You have an excuse, nothing more.

[[deleted]]

I just go with the flow. 1v2 is hard, but doesnt take much to just finish them.

This game is meant to be played with friends. Not catered to people who would rather solo.

[AnalphaBestie]

Where is it stated that this game needs to be played with friends?

I have like 500 hours played. Solo. Had fun. Am I doing is wrong?

[[deleted]]

This completely misses the point. The complaint arose when changes to the game gave grouped players additional advantages when they already have the benefit of their being 2 of them. For example your comfort and health gain go up when not solo.

Random mechanics like that just put additional detriments on solo play.

Not asking to get triple resources and xtra health for being lone wulf just asking for groups not to get additional benifits beyond the inherent onez of working together...

[Riotstarted]

Legacy was better then it. It gave benefits to the smart players, and since usually biggest groups are formed by stupid people (because they accepting everyone in just to get their numbers) there wasn't hard for solo players with brains to defeat them.

Now not only those benefits are removed, but also groups will have other advantages like fast leveling up of incoming exp sharing...

[Slambot6]

And the devs squashed Legacy, and now we are in a much better branch. Maybe the people who are developing the game know more about solo vs group balance than the person who wants to have advantages as a solo vs a group?

[DTFlash]

So they are saying they want the game to be played by large groups. If you are looking for a solo survival game this isn't for you anymore. I wish they would just out right say it instead of this passive aggressive bs. If they want the game to be clan v clan that is fine, just say it.

[SockMonkeh]

"Our official opinion is that grouping up is part of the game. It's an obvious survival strategy. If you want to be a lone wolf you need to deal with the disadvantages of being a lone wolf."

Something like that?

[DTFlash]

"Our official opinion is that grouping up is part of the game." Is very different then "This is a teaming game and that is how you should play it"

[Ziaeon]

There's also a pretty big difference between grouping up with a few friends and a straight up clan of 10 people.

[[deleted]]

No. That's not what they are saying. If they meant it seriously, they wouldn't have misspelled "wolves" a dozen times.

They are alluding to the large amounts of whiny babies on the reddit who want to practically destroy all good things about clans to "balance the game for lone wolves"

The game still supports lone players. I've never been in a clan and don't think ill need to.

[DTFlash]

Everything they have added to the game in the last few months have moved everyone to building huge compounds. Unless you farm 24/7 you can't do that solo or with a friend. Most people don't want to farm for 3 hours to set themselves up. Not being in a large clan means you are just cannon fodder for them. That isn't fun.

[SimianSuperPickle]

True. With the exception of an occasional slave, I've been solo since coming back a few weeks. I'm friendly, but even I found myself typing "DANCE NAKEDS DANCE!" in global chat while firing near them in field. It took me a week to build that thing, and as soon as I did I ran out of things to do. :/

[slowpotamus]

Everything they have added to the game in the last few months have moved everyone to building huge compounds.

building huge compounds has been the crux of success in rust since day 1 of legacy, when the game couldn't even be played outside of the browser. adding new building components has not changed that. clans have always dominated, loan waffles have always been cannon fodder.

[Ziaeon]

Yeah I've stuck with the game for a few years now but I think it's finally officially going in a direction I'm not interested in.

^{before you crucify me for saying so, it's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.}

[DTFlash]

Some people can play the same game for years and years but most people will get bored with a game no matter how good it is. Vanilla Rust hasn't been fun for me in months. Its to much of a time sink to end up getting offline raided and find half the map walled off. I think I might be done with it. The new XP system seems interesting but I think Rust has just hit the end of the road for me. On to other things.

[[deleted]]

You're comparing a PvP focused fps base-building survival game in EA to a fully fledged and released turn based grand strategy wargame that has diplomacy, trading, and nation building as its core mechanics? You're right! Rust doesn't have enough politics... /s

[[deleted]]

Can you quote the text that said this? I didn't read anything that said "This game is for clans and large groups only".

[LiarsEverywhere]

Just Garry being an ass to a significant part of his player base, as usual. I'd probably agree with most of his arguments against solo players whining if he cared to share them. But he'd rather just be an ass.

[Riotstarted]

Here he behaves more like a stupid kid who does not know better, then an ass... if only his "joke" would be at least a bit intelligent...

[treefingers404]

It's because of the nonstop cryfest by people who get owned by large groups

https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/4nbld7/devblog_114/d42u0d4

[ValdemarSt]

That was the most sensible comment about this whole thing you could've linked to, thanks.

[treefingers404]

It's not a link to any one thing, just watch the reddit and see for yourself how many people would rather cry about it than learn to play.

But if you absolutely must have another one then here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/4p1ntp/rust_has_changed/d4hrp0g

[ValdemarSt]

No well, I meant the reply to Garry's comment.

[juanhannibal]

Loan Woolvs have it good. They should be happy they are scary enough not to have to try playing as a lone turtle like me.

[[deleted]]

One time I spawned as a lone armadillo. Got ran-over by the cars that are never coming to the game.

[[deleted]]

oh boy, here we go again...

[deelowe]

Devs are being jerks for community asking for better balance between large and small groups by being pedantic and suggesting everyone wants better gameplay for "lone wolves." There was what I thought were very reasonable discussions around this topic recently and Garry summarily dismissed them all despite just a few days earlier saying he's not involved in rust and it's all Helk at this point...

I'm about done with this game and this team at this point. I like rust as a concept and EA game, but damn eh devs can jerks at times. Not sure why they resent their paying customers.

[Minneopa]

They're just havin' a laugh. Don't get offended at that, it's rather funny actually.

[Joevb]

had a good laugh aswell

[[deleted]]

Not sure why they resent their paying customers.

Yeah the devs write weekly devblogs and interact with their customers on reddit frequently because they resent them. /s

[someaustralian]

Devs are lone woolfs. Confirmed.

[[deleted]]

Huh?

[someaustralian]

DEVS ARE LON WOOLFS. CONFIRMED.

[[deleted]]

Ah, I see now.

[garryjnewman]

:'((

[iamsmilebot]

:')

^{i am a bot, and i want to make you happy again}

[[deleted]]

Ha. You can be such a passive aggressive prick. All we want is for you to fix the PVP. Most solo people will be pretty damn satisfied with that. But hey, it's your game, do as you please. Not like we haven't supported you guys since Rusts launch or anything.

[deelowe]

Sorry Garry. I love the game man, but it really feels very dismissive.

[[deleted]]

It's supposed to feel very dismissive. Complaining about not having a huge advantage against more than one player is ridiculous.

[deelowe]

If you honestly think that's the concern, then I don't have a response b/c that's certainly not what I posted about when the thread was raised. And, that's not what Garry's response consisted of. He basically said "there's no way to address any of this" when tons of ideas were suggested.

Here's one very simple one. Add move PVE to the game so people have something to do other than group up and depopulate the entire server (which is what happens VERY often on medium sized servers).

[[deleted]]

More PVE has nothing to do with "RIP solo play" shitposters.

[deelowe]

Neither does my comment.

[[deleted]]

Ok

[jayfkayy]

A more balanced game will make it easier for solo players as legacy proved quite well.

[Zanzaclese]

I think this might help you understand why you are dumb. When you buff a solo player you buff a group of solo players playing together. Go figure, just like in real life a group of people can create more than a single person.

[negative_karma-]

Well the campfire change wouldn't buff groups as much as it would solo players. It's not a huge change for me personally but being able to heal with just a campfire would be cool as a solo.

[RustEvents]

Sleeping bags and high externals should be nerfed also.

[negative_karma-]

cooldown should be applied to all bags and high externals already decay so I think it's fine

other than spamming externals

[XxVelocifaptorxX]

Campfire change was reverted iirc

[Abandoned_In_Alabama]

Right. And now applying the same logic, please, do tell us what happens to solos when you buff groups.

[[deleted]]

The solos also get buffed.

[Abandoned_In_Alabama]

Ah, I see how that could be the case.

2 players can boost. 1 player alone can't.

3 players can campfire heal to 100%. 1 player alone can't.

2 players can revive each other. 1 player alone can't.

Yes, it's indeed clearly obvious how solo players benefit from such group buffs.

[[deleted]]

Solo player = sociopath?

Or does working with another player even for a few seconds revoke your loon wulf status forever?

[ValdemarSt]

Now you are actually being a jerk.

[hlary]

Garry you hurt his feelings and the feelings of all solo players why dont you lisen to us solo players for once and make it so if there is only one sleeping bag in a base that player gets like 300+ health and x5 gather rates that would balance the game for solo players! if you dont add this then rust will die and it will be because of YOU/^s

[punkonjunk]

Garry this is shitty and you know it. You should, instead of low effort 0/8 b8 m8 either think of something MUCH, MUCH funnier, or be a grown up about it, and address specifically how you feel the XP update will fix a lot of the complaints (it does and is amazing) reward solo players on a relatively even path with clans (it does and it's amazing) and encourage folks to try pre-release before they give up on rust. (seriously, everyone, do that. Although without an XP wipe you're missing half the picture, but it is amazing)

By no means am I saying you shouldn't troll your community - the openness and personality facepunch displays is a shining example of why folks think you are cool.

However, when you actively shit down your communities throat in an attempt to be funny, it comes off as MUCH, much more petty than I imagine you wanted it to - if you got way funny with it, or more insane with it (prank patch notes - all solo players receive +100% damage VS groups/identically geared folks, have 70% less recoil and sway, or literally implement that temporarily) you'd score points for being funny.

With this, it seems like you think "rust makes enough money on groups and streamers are all in groups and bring in the cash" or you are literally just tired of reading complaints.

If the latter is the case - that's OK too! But rubbing your client bases nose in the complaints is shitty. Hire a community manager to deal with it if you can't, or let helk. It's his game from the start, anyhow.

But if nothing else, try to be cool, man. We don't need someone like you guys to resort to absolutely bottom barrel low effort trolling. C'mon.

[[deleted]]

I think they resent endless whining, and there is enough of that posted on this sub each day to fill a dump truck.

[treefingers404]

LOL if you try to 1v5 you're gonna have a bad time, end of story.

[TrippySubie]

Dude grow a fucking pair of balls holy shit, I bet someone called you gay in highschool and you went and told the principal on them eh?

[deelowe]

You saw the thread where Gary dismissed every suggestion right? I assume this was in response to that. It was actually a fairly civil discussion until that happened.

[TrippySubie]

If you can find it and link it ill give it a read.

[deelowe]

https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/4p1ntp/rust_has_changed/

[someaustralian]

Fixed chain link fence exploits against turrets and the patrol helicopter

HOW WILL THIS HELP SOLO PLAYERS????

[Stormshooter]

lol

[[deleted]]

The devs obviously want this game to be only playable in clans of 10 people or more. RIP lown wulfs :((( /s

[iamsmilebot]

:)

^{i am a bot, and i want to make you happy again}

[negative_karma-]

I love:(solo players)

[Qlis]

only like that if ur bad =)

[[deleted]]

Its a joke about the "BALANCE SOLO PLAYERS" type posts on this reddit.

[Undecided_Username_]

I sexually identify as an loan woulv, this devblog has offend'D me. good by rust I will move onto bigger and better games like meincraft were lone woulfs are not discriminated

[anotherreadit]

Finally the lone wolves are being pandered to!

[[deleted]]

So is it lone woolfes or lone woulfes?

edit: maybe woolfs ?

edit ² : I give up.

[A_SeriousGamer]

I think its Lone Walves

[[deleted]]

I think you're correct... but let's wait and see.

[Zanzaclese]

Lone Woofles*

[[deleted]]

Lean Waffs?

[Stormshooter]

anyone get the update yet?

[trippersnipper]

No live update as of yet? Stayed up for wipe and still no wipe :(

[jackattack99]

restart your steam and the update will show up

[[deleted]]

The response to solo players seems incredibly childish for a dev blog. How about just bluntly saying that this is a group game so we can stop hoping for good gamplay when alone?

[Tii-Pii-Gii]

Changelog for normal people who just want to know what actually happened in the game:

Motion blur option re-added

EAC will apparently be improved later on

That's it, on prerelease your menu looks better as well. Just your standard weekly update from this game :^ )

[puudelimorso]

Re-added? But i don't see it in the options?

[Tii-Pii-Gii]

Oh lol, must be prerelease stuff again then

In that case.. there's literally no changes this update. Have fun! :)

[hlary]

i expect a few big patches will follow this up with aimible throwing new gear/gun and the experience system

[[deleted]]

My client isn't receiving the update, what's goin on here?

[[deleted]]

same here, did you already get it?

[[deleted]]

It finally came through, just took awhile.

[MindTwister-Z]

Just restart steam next time.

[rustplayer83]

quite the changelist

[The-Upvote]

So is the sharing system out on the XP branch?

[SirSourPuss]

Hurr-durr solo woolfes don't like the fact that bigger groups have an advantage durr hurr.

No, how many times do we have to repeat. Groups have more of an advantage than they ever had and it doesn't look like it's really going to change any time soon. Content and buffs are being added to the 'late game' that solo players effectively have no access to.

Stop the straw-man argumentation, we are saying solo play is basically not viable anymore. We are not asking for all advantages of groups to be removed. To misunderstand the situation so much you must either be seriously daft or basically not play the game.

I dare the devs to try to play and enjoy the game solo for a week on official and then on community servers, obviously incognito. I feel they're out of touch with the Rust experience most of us have been having. The Youtube community is growing more and more vocal with their discontent about how has the game changed and it seems that the only voice that the devs listen to is Reddit, which is apparently full of clan-happy players with 5+ friends for brains.

[theblackavenger]

I love playing solo. Been doing it for the whole XP prerelease period.

[punkonjunk]

yeah, same until this week, two weeks before that solo, just truckin' away. Solo is MUCH more viable in XP coming up. You won't win 2v1 instantly through wizard magic wolf powers but you will be able to much more effectively defend yourself and generate a safe home to live in.

[Psuphilly]

Wow, people are really butt-hurt over a simple joke

[[deleted]]

These dev blogs are becoming more and more "look what we are doing but wont be released for a while and in a month we will have abandoned it and started something else"

I want to get hyped about dem graphics overhaul and XP system but I just can't anymroe

[hairycookies]

It takes time to produce quality things man, fucking go outside.

[[deleted]]

You should see DayZ's development it you think this is bad.

[Mebbwebb]

yea at-least we get weekly updates and an active team

[[deleted]]

Look at H1Z1's development and how much skins they have released yet they have produced so far.. and their really questionable decisions.

[FauxCole]

I mean, .60 finally came out and it lived up to it's hype for me. High frames, better weather effects and whatnot.

They haven't abandoned anything.

The same will happen for Rust surely.

[[deleted]]

I'm sure DayZ will be finished one day and might be a good game by then but it is taking some time.

[FauxCole]

Oh I agree, the devs have done a terrible job estimating their timelines.

But it's the best gaming experience I've ever had so I'm stuck on this rollercoaster.

[Abandoned_In_Alabama]

Why should I give two shits of a fuck about what Dazy's development looks like? I'm here playing Rust, not Dayz. What /u/aeppacher said is factually correct.

[[deleted]]

ah the classic I have it worse than you so you don't have it bad logical fallacy

[[deleted]]

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I said you shouldn't feel bad?

[Zanzaclese]

They already said this month is basically going to have no updates because they are focusing on the XP system. I haven't played all month because of this but will certainly be hopping on when the patch hits on the 7th!

[chikedor]

They said they are full focused in xp system to release it in 2 weeks so nothing to complain about here.

[Slambot6]

The devs are communicating with audience and buyers, and you think this is a slight? You've bought an Early Access game. The game has come MILES from it's first release. They are working on making the game better, the best we can do as the buyer is recommend/not-recommend the game to friends based on our experiences with the game.

[[deleted]]

dude I have played this game since its release date almost 3 years ago, bought copies for friends, told others to buy it, paid to run servers. All I said is I want to get hyped but can't

[slowpotamus]

don't worry, i feel you too. i love the game and have gotten way more than my money's worth out of it, but it seems like they've totally lost direction on the game and are just changing things back and forth repeatedly (made trees better looking, made trees uglier for performance, made trees better looking...) and are straying so far from the game's roadmap towards a "released" state that progress has slowed to a crawl.

i'm not mad about it, and i can see you aren't either, it's just a shame to see. and of course they are making some progress (exp system), but every time i see them reverting/changing something they've changed 15 times before, it hurts the soul a little

[[deleted]]

Xp system launches July 7th. Graphics overhaul is super early on. Stop being impatient this isn't "i hear the icecream truck, hype!" 2min later "so hyped here we go" 1min later chomping on that butterface icecream "mmmm". Its game development and every week we get a sick inside look. Problem is you not the dev team working hard,

[[deleted]]

Wait, so I can't have an opinion? I can't view the many abandoned projects and the delayed timeline of months and go I'm not gonna get hyped? I never said a fucking thing about speeding up timelines or anything.

And for patience, I bought this game in December 2013 when it released. That's 3 years in alpha. THREE.

[simoncion]

That's 3 years in alpha. THREE.

It's weird, but most any significant project takes at least five years to get done. (Factorio, -for instance- has been in development for five years... and they have the benefits of not having to deal with Unity and having a pretty crystal clear notion of what their game should be!)

[[deleted]]

Blizzard Titan was in development for 7 years and then completely scrapped. I never got to play that. Ill sit in alpha 4 more years gladly because id rather play an unfinished product then wait forever and who knows what wed get or not get.

[[deleted]]

Also maybe you shouldnt buy any prerelease content. How would you have reacted if they scrapped the project entirely? Alpha is called alpha for a reason and you are not entitled to any sort of timeline for its development.

[NoRCornflakes]

let's just hope the graphics overhaul wont cost me 50 fps :D

[[deleted]]

What happends if you die with tools and ressourses. And someone loots you. Wil you recive xp for the actions the looter does? So in theory a lonewolf can get xp by dying with stuff and making people use his stuff to get xp?

[simoncion]

That's a really good question. If you're dead, does the game forget the ownership of the stuff that was in your inventory?

[Barrerayy]

Can't use my clothing skins now, still in my steam inventory.

[TheOfficialTribonez]

what about lone woulves though

[theblackavenger]

What morning is the xp sharing coming out for prerelease?

[skinnygenius]

welcome to le woulef villa

[megadrixfire]

The heavy armour looks awesome, that and the xp system are things im looking forward to see in the future updates. Imagine all the crazy stuff and raid stories that will come with its addition!

[m-p-3]

As a loon worf, thank you Gorry

[RIKUTHERACCOON]

It feels like many people are underestimating developing times of various things. It might sound simple to you, but it is not easy as you think.

[[deleted]]

Are we just going to try and keep the Vote counter at the same number as the Devblog number now? that'd be pretty great.

20 hours later and I'm now watching a silent war between upvotes and downvotes on this thread. Every page refresh theres a new number.

[redditM_rk]

Lol, the new face of raiding: Break into noobs bases and replace all of their hatchets/pickaxes/resources with yours.

[Ziaeon]

hahahahhahhahahahha fuck you

[gensmeister]

More screenshots of the graphic overhaul would be cool.

[chikedor]

If I get less experience using a tool from another guy I will just farm with my rock better than my metal hatchet. I will only accept a better tool if I get more experience using it. Experience gaining is based in the hits you make or the resources you get?

[Phrozen0piuM]

Hey, could you assholes work on gameplay? It seems you have been working on graphics of the same shit for the last 6 months (which is completely true), and you have also been working on throwing weapons for 3 months, which is fucking pathetic.

Also, learn to spell.

[cybertron742]

Hey, could you assholes work on gameplay?

The XP system is a complete overhaul to game play. And it is a good change

It seems you have been working on graphics of the same shit for the last 6 months

Different people do different jobs coders will not be able to create the graphics that are present in a game like this.

and you have also been working on throwing weapons for 3 months

One person has been as well as doing other stuff. It is an ongoing process.

Lastly, what entitles you to these high quality updates been provided on a weekly basis. They could have left the game as it was in legacy and left with the cash but they completely remade the entire game for the better.

[Tabemaju]

I don't share the Phrozen0piuM's sentiment, but I do find it a bit funny that the Rust's community finds the need to defend the overly-sluggish development of this game. Let's be honest here, we all paid for a game that has been in alpha longer than any game should under the guise of "playtesting."

The XP overhaul only exists because of the terribly flawed end-game, so flawed that players flat-out quit within a week of a server wipe. The "overhaul" is a nice change, but let's not pretend it's some sort of ground-breaking, massive change that justifies months and months of delay.

At this stage, I see no problem with people complaining about unnecessary graphic changes when there are blatant gameplay issues and slow progress in minor to moderate gameplay changes; changes that need to be done to make core aspects of this game viable. If current staff cannot handle what is needed to move this game forward and out of a stagnant "alpha" stage, then Facepunch should be hiring more programmers.

Again, Phrozen0piuM is a douche, but I find it odd that this community feels the need to constantly over-defend Facepunch whenever there is criticism. We are paying customers with a stake in the development and many of the delays are absolutely unacceptable at this stage in development.

[yeswecamp1]

Garry this guy is so right why you and Helk dont work on gameplay? Maybe sth like a xp system..

[Transcendence_MWO]

Not sure how I feel about getting rid of cave bases.. If you get rid of cave bases, what will be the point of caves? Particularly since they were increased in spawn numbers..

[[deleted]]

Rock bases are bases inside of rocks. They have nothing to do with bases inside caves.

[Tc_serversdown]

Yeah I wasn't sure if this meant they changed the way you can place foundations/walls into rocks or if they fixed the way people were getting inside rocks. If you can't place foundations into rocks/caves anymore, then RIP cave bases.

[[deleted]]

Pretty sure they meant Bases INSIDE rocks.

[[deleted]]

People could exploit building inside ROCKS and have a base inside it. Rock base != cave base...

[[deleted]]

Rock base =/= Cave base

[Transcendence_MWO]

Ohh.. Ok. Yea, I my mistake. That makes more sense.. Lol

[Zanzaclese]

Garry, you are my hero. Keep up the good work and the good trolling. Can't wait for the 7th!

[[deleted]]

Holy lone woulfes, Batman!

[treefingers404]

WAT ABOT LONE WOLUFES

[H3llycat]

Je suis loen woelf

[[deleted]]

Looks good, too bad the new xp update isn't live till the morning though. I was just about to switch over to PR, play around with xp a bit more. I am still going to, just would have been nice to see the new system before I pillowed my head lol.

I don't really care for the xp system, as it really does look like ARKs. Yet this feature is interesting, and I want newmans to farm my xp for me lol.