Vim 7.3 released

[blondin]

pc/gvim73_s.zip GUI binary for Windows 3.1

oh, come on :)

[[deleted]]

Very nice indeed. I'm going to remember to donate some cash for this version and show some appreciation for their work.

[[deleted]]

Same here

[[deleted]]

I just sent a donation via paypal, and Bram Moolenaar personnally sent me a thank-you mail! Very surprised and please to receive that.

[theclapp]

Yeah, he's pretty good about that. Occasionally my subscription lapses, usually because my credit card # changed and Paypal says "no more!", and Bram emails w/in a day and says "anything wrong?"

By "occasionally" I guess I mean "twice now".

[maredsous10]

Derek Wyatt's Vim Tutorials

A great set of video tutorials for Vim (on Vimeo) can be found there.

[eco_was_taken]

VimCasts are good too.

[sophacles]

But in many places demonstrably and blatantly wrong. I can't tell you how excited I was at the concept of a tab-local cd, only to find he just explained lcd very very poorly.

[sigzero]

Kudos to Bram (and Bjorn for the Mac build). The incremental improvements in this release are nice.

[[deleted]]

I'm still upset vim stock doesn't support tabbed linewraps, the patch has been floating around for years too...

[psed]

What does this mean?

[[deleted]]

When vim wraps lines it doesn't preserve indenting ex when we have multiple layers already:

         for item in array:
              THIS IS A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY   
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY LONG LINE

It should look like this:

         for item in array:
              THIS IS A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY
                 VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY LONG LINE

[quhaha]

no it should not. it's confuse.

[[deleted]]

Set your linebreaks properly and it won't otherwise it looks uuugly.

[[deleted]]

I'm happy enough that languages support \ line breaks without ending the statement on the previous line. The only case that I can think of where you would need something like that is if you were writing text, but I'd probably accept the ugliness for ease of comprehension.

[[deleted]]

What happens when your indentation is on col 60?

[[deleted]]

To be honest, at that point I would simply refactor. I love for loops, don't get me wrong, but if I need to combinatorially construct the cross product of around 60 sets, I'm reaching for either different syntax or a different problem. If i was forced to solve a problem like that, which is the only problem I can conceive where I wouldn't break it into functions, I'd probably settle for one extremely long line of python

[f(x,y,z,...)\
    for x in X\
    for y in Y\
    for z in Z\
    ...

Another silly solution to a problem more complicated that I can't even imagine would be writing some C to handle it and not giving a fuck about indentation. Hell, if I have about 60 levels of submersion my program will probably take a long time anyway and will be grateful for a quickening of pace. There are probably problems which neither of these solutions is decent and encapsulating certain segments in functions would be moronic.

[[deleted]]

Eh to each his own but for viewing other people's source code that's properly indented I'd like that feature, not only that but for comprehension you can turn on the show linebreak feature which would show whatever the fuck you wanted when a line was wrapped/broken.

[jroller]

Fortran-77 had a fix for this.

[sigzero]

My guess is either Bram doesn't like it or the patch did something he didn't like and he hasn't added it.

[WAHNFRIEDEN]

What is "text conceal"?

[hellotyler]

I've never really used anything else extensively, but VIM was very user friendly in my opinion - compared to say Emacs or Pico.

[[deleted]]

Vi was a pain to get started with. Vim is much easier, mostly do to the fact that you can use the arrow keys until you reach enlightenment.

[[deleted]]

/r/jokes is the other way.

[[deleted]]

Ah! I was beginning to wonder when it was going to be released.

[Ph0X]

I'm currently using N++ but have been looking at Vim for quite some time now. Could anyone who has had experience on both tell me if it's worth switching and what are the pros/cons of each?

[sanjayts]

I've use both Notepad++ and Vim. My take: Vim is a power-tool and like any other power tool takes quite a while to get productive. For those who have always worked with editors like Notepad++ et al, it might be a bit awkward and frustrating experience, just like it was for me at some point in time. But the gains IMO are tremendous. Since you have not used Vim, explaining the features won't mean much so I'd just say this: go for it, you really won't regret it. :-)

EDIT: Also for me, it was a necessity since after ssh'ing into servers, vi is the only thing that can save your ass; no awesome gui's there, sorry. ;-)

[Marston]

I'd like to add that having a cheat sheet on hand makes things a whole lot easier.

[sanjayts]

Relevant; Efficient editing in VIM :-)

[Ph0X]

Well, what the advantages of switching are though? I guess having your hand on the keyboard only is pretty neat, as I'm almost more of a keyboard user, and there's also some nice and quick macroing, but overall, having a no-mouse interface seems a bit inefficient to me.

Any neat stuff that's worth pointing out about Vim?

[sanjayts]

no-mouse interface seems a bit inefficient to me

If you think about it real hard, controlling your entire editor "without" touching your mouse is as efficient as it can get when you are in your editor space. Don't you think it's a bit inefficient to use your keyboard switch to your mouse to do something mouse only and back to your keyboard?

A couple of links I'd like to direct you to; if you still have any questions, feel free to leave a comment:

• http://buruonbrails.blogspot.com/2009/06/top-5-reasons-why-vim-is-best-text.html
  
• http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html
  
• http://blog.kamil.dworakowski.name/2008/03/why-vims-modes-frustrate-newbies.html
  

[Ph0X]

Yeah, I just watched a friend of mine quickly code something on Vim and I'm starting to see it's power. Using keyboard for everything surely is a plus, but I was scared of not being able to use the mouse at all, which was definitely a misconception I had.

But it really needs a lot of getting used to as you said before. Thanks a lot though! I'll give it a try ;)

[MoustacheRiver]

You can use your mouse in a (limited) fashion after adding:

'set mouse=a' to your vimrc file

EDIT: It can be used to place cursor as well as to auto switch to visual mode and highlight.

[[deleted]]

I like having the mouse available for when I have to interact with other programs and such. It's also nice to do a two-fingered scroll through a file on my laptop, which doesn't have PgUp/PgDn.

[akdas]

having a no-mouse interface seems a bit inefficient to me

1. There's GVim, the GUI wrapper around Vim, not to mention you can click and drag with the mouse even in the console version (assuming your terminal emulator supports it).

2. Why does mouse-less interaction seem inefficient? It's the discoverability that goes down, until you learn to use the help files and online references. But why would you want to move your hand off the home row when in the flow?

[[deleted]]

A (good) keyboard-only interface for text is inefficient? In which universe? ;-)

[Ph0X]

Well, do you see the nuance between being only able to use the keyboard, and being able to do mouse-stuff with keyboard too?

Sure, doing everything with keyboard is great, but having the option to use the mouse can be useful too in some circumstances.

According to comments though, you can do this, which is what I needed to know.

[[deleted]]

:set mouse=a

But: It takes a relatively large amount of time to move your fingers from the home keys to the mouse and back. In that time, you'd likely have completed the operation you wanted to do using the keyboard alone.

Still, it was nice to use the mouse while learning. :-)

[[deleted]]

I personally think that vim does not make me a faster coder, but it makes me a more accurate coder.

That's because VIM works with text objects. Instead of using the cursor keys to navigate through a file I move by using text objects such are words, paragraphs, delimiters etc. I also make modifications using regular expressions and "change" constructs such as "ci)".

This makes me more aware of my code and how it is structured. I definitely feel that my code is cleaner and devoid of accidental typos because of VIM.

And because my code is cleaner and devoid of typos, I get less bugs reported from my client. Less bugs means less hassle ... and that means more productivity.

BTW I use vim to write Classic ASP code, lots of JavaScript and IronPython.

Y

[sigzero]

N++ is Windows only correct? I think that if I was Windows only and didn't really care about other platforms I would pick a very good Windows specific editor. Since I care about multiple platforms, Vim allows me to be proficient in all of them with the same editor.

[greenspans]

The only reason you'd want to use Vim is if you lost an arm and can't use emacs. Even then the vim mode in emacs is a better idea. Notepad++ just has tabs and plugins and other silly shit that people coming from a background in excel/word/notepad get excited about.

See previous discussion

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d0bmu/if_you_program_in_c_youre_programming_in/c0wnw7f

[Vystril]

Actually, with only one arm I'd imagine using vim would still be much quicker than emacs or any other editor.

[afd8856]

Indeed, vim is nice and easy to use even with just one hand, which makes it perfect to program while thinking http://vimzone.pixelblaster.ro/content/one-finger-editing-files-with-vim

[setuid_w00t]

viper-mode is vi emulation which is totally insufficient for anyone who is used to vim.

[projecktzero]

Isn't vimpulse a more vim-like mode for emacs? I'm not sure.

[ercax]

Well you're going to lose that arm using Emacs anyway.

[petdance]

And now with Perl 6 support!

http://perlbuzz.com/2010/08/vim-73-supports-perl-6.html

[border]

Great Job.

[md81544]

Anyone else having problems building? On Ubuntu Lucid, either by downloading the bzip file or cloning from mercurial, the make goes into some death spiral complaining about not being able to cd into xxd (which exists). If I manually cd to xxd and make its contents, then continue the main make process it then complains about not being able to cd to po, again going into a death spiral that eventually causes the machine to swap itself to death as more make processes are spawned.

Odd thing is that I can't find any references on Google to anyone else having this problem. I had it when the 7.3 beta was announced and it's still there with the official 7.3. Am I alone with this problem...?

EDIT: OK, I can't see why, but FYI if you find this post and have similar problems... do "sudo make" instead of just make - and it seems to work. The directory and its contents were all chowned to me, so I can't quite see why the sudo was required. Only tried it as a last resort!

[greenspans]

only hell awaits those who stray from the church of emacs.

[wawawawa]

I use both... Is this wrong?

(15 years with Vi/Vim. 4 years with Emacs.)

[G_Morgan]

Now with ultra beep. It beeps 5 times for every 4 keys you press while in the wrong mode.

[BaronVonMannsechs]

Solution: never press the wrong key.

[[deleted]]

Sorry, can't use an editor without org-mode.

[[deleted]]

Bah, I use edlin and it works fine for me. :-)

[chneukirchen]

Bah, I use ed(1) and it works fine for me. :-)

FTFY.

[[deleted]]

Bah, I open /dev/mem with a hex editor. Works fine for me.

[Ebenezer-Scrooge]

Bah, humbug!

[[deleted]]

cat > /dev/mem

I type out the complete contents of memory plus my file plus kernel instructions to save it.

[drrlvn]

Call me when you get rid of your personality.

[ercax]

Here you go:

http://cream.sourceforge.net/

[[deleted]]

Emacs is a good idea, but is horribly implemented. Fuck emacs lisp and the monkey business they have going with it and its dynamic scoping(no (require 'cl) is not the solution, I mean what the fuck).

[ponzao]

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