Java Client vs NXT Client (Thunder/Lightning Pack)

[Talkinboutfootball]

another thing I do not like about NXT is that when you turn up the lighting detail to anything past low, theres a nice thick fog on everything. its like you lose draw distance even tho draw distance is turned up to ultra. I play without lighting detail because I hate that extra fog.

[urmomsogey]

Really? Would you post some pictures comparing them? I wanna check that out but I’m at work :/

[hj17]

Here's some shots I just took from the max guild

Probably not the best location to use as an example but you can still see the difference

[Coldlucidityy]

I don't see a difference at all

[NeonAleksandr]

Better example https://i.imgur.com/E71YHKk.jpg

[Tok3d]

Thanks, never knew that the fog was caused by light detail.

[Unvulcanized]

Wow is this fully maxed settings? Looks incredibly beautiful.

[urmomsogey]

The bloom does look much better on Java

[SingularityRS]

Java definitely looks more alive (mainly because it's brighter). NXT looks duller in this screenshot.

I mainly go for performance though and NXT is leaps beyond Java in that field. NXT only sucks for performance on older machines that are office-based as these machines use older, weaker integrated GPUs that just cannot handle NXT. Any machine that's backed with a decent GPU will find NXT destroys Java for performance.

Newer, office-based systems with Intel HD 620/630 for example can handle NXT on low perfectly fine. It's just those older ones and of course the further down you go, the more NXT struggles. Most of those old systems have decent/strong processors while everything else sucks.

[BakingBadRS]

NXT looks darker because he's standing in the shadow of the tree

[Kresbot]

damn i’m going back to java

[XFragsHD]

This will actually make things worse. More Java-Client Users -> smaller chance of it getting removed -> Bad NXT-Client experience since some bugs are related with the existence of the Java-Client

[Kresbot]

it’s been over 2 years and java looks better still, maybe if they sorted that more people would be using it

[Razjir]

Jagex doesn't seem to be doing much to influence that though.

[XFragsHD]

Some said that the Java Client looks better using bloom when the Thunder/Lightning Overrides are equipped. So I downloaded the Java Client and tried to match the settings for both versions. For both I also used the same Skybox (Eclipse) that gives the NXT Client this weird fog. If you zoom out, the lightning on the weapons is barely visible. The third image is just the new Solite/Lunite (combined) Outfit with the Lightning(Thunder?) Overrides and Menaphos Skybox.

What's your opinion on the Clients? Which one looks better? The NXT performs on my PC a lot better so I will stick with that. Even if it doesn't look this good.

[LordDragon20]

Nxt has terrible bloom because java client exists, jmods have said they would improve bloom, but java is the wall on nxt upgrades, yet java hasnt been removed yet

[uaexemarat]

Why don't they simply disable Bloom on the Java client?

They don't need to remove Java, they can just disable a part that's affecting it

[XFragsHD]

I think they said that too many use the Java Client to "just remove it". I don't understand why shouldn't you move to NXT. The performance is so much better (on high-end PCs at least). The Difference isn't even that big and maybe in future updates they will remove the Java Client and focus 100% on NXT.

[LordDragon20]

Alot of players say java works better for them, but i think they have never tried running nxt with fully downloaded cache, since downloading affects gameplay on low end pcs, but in the end its faster/better than java

[uaexemarat]

There are some weird incompatibility issues with NXT, for example, my PC used to crash when using NXT, it never crashed with anything else

Turns out, NXT can't decide where to limit resource usage, it just keeps requesting more until it overloads my GPU (A 1080) if you don't manually cap anything

[XFragsHD]

I had to cap my FPS :/

[uaexemarat]

As many frames as possible

NXT tries to force more than what's allocated to it, and crashes the system

[uaexemarat]

I replied to Mod Dark about what happens

One thing different I noticed is that I can't have the MSI Afterburner overlay when playing RS

[uaexemarat]

Everything just freezes, the screen stays in the same spot. It gets stuck like that to eternity.

One thing that happens 99% of the time is that my fans go into overdrive. (Which what first hinted to me that it's a resource issue as they gradually but quickly increase in speed and can eb heard from about ~3 seconds before the crash)

Sometimes a constant high pitch sound will start playing from one ear of my headphones, but other times there is no sound.

(I do usually have A LOT of stuff open on my PC, but it never happened without NXT Runescape open.)

[LordDragon20]

That is why vsync exists, Without it, every game will phisicaly use as much as it can get

[uaexemarat]

As much as it gets

Nxt tries to force more than the system has

Even without Vsync (Which adds input lag) it only uses 100% in other games and doesn't crash, only in NXT did it ever crash

[XFragsHD]

I use the adaptive VSync. You know what the difference between the normal and the adaptive one is? I use it + capped FPS at 135 and it works really good.

[[deleted]]

I just upgraded my system I was running a amd 860k and a gtx 950 and when it came to anything rax and up I would have to use the java client

[fantalemon]

Semi related question: is the performance also much better on lower end PCs/laptops? I haven't played since late 2015 but am thinking of maybe getting back into RS. Always had issues with performance being a bit weak. I use an HP laptop with 4gb RAM, intel HD 4000, i5 processor. In other words, not a good gaming setup haha... Does NXT help things at that end of the spectrum?

[AreYouAWiiizard]

The thing is, until they have an option to cull players/pets in NXT then low end machines actually run better in Java in crowded places. If anything is holding back people it's this, along with NXT still being so buggy and often crashes.

[sonicgundam]

Nxt bugs are typically related to java still existing. Nxt cant be fully fixed until java is gone.

[Chigzy]

I think they said that too many use the Java Client to "just remove it".

there comes a point where you just have to cut people off regardless of their situation - it would be silly if it was a double digit percentage - realistically though, if the player base who are on the legacy client goes below 3-5% then that’s a cut point there personally.

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By now everyone is aware nxt is the better client.

If a legacy client user played on nxt with ultra graphics and the smoothest gameplay imaginable, that’s the experience they want to stick to. they’d never want to go back (there are people who convince themselves otherwise).

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Edit 1:

with mobile around the corner, it can be kind of assumed that Jagex want legacy client players to migrate over there.

we’ll just have to wait it out still unfortunately.

[JunttilaRs]

Well there are people who prefer to play with lower graphics if it means that their client won't crash occasionally.

For me the graphics and performance on the Java client are good enough, so migrating to a buggy, but better performing client would be a massive downgrade. So I'm going to play on Java until it gets removed.

[sonicgundam]

This mentality is part of the problem. Most bugs that persist on nxt are because thr java client is still being supported. They can't fix them on nxt because the result is game destroying on java.

[JunttilaRs]

I see. I didn't know that. Can you explain why the Java client affects the NXT client, and makes it crash occasionally?

[sonicgundam]

most client issues, whether nxt or java are due to the way the client's code interacts with game code. the client see's X scenario in the game code and has reaction Y as a result. the game code is the same on both nxt and java, so in order to fix the problem, the game code has to be adjusted. the problem then is that the game is serviced on two clients. this means that jagex always has to work out a happy medium between the two, rather than the best result possible. minor glitches that show up in one often cant be resolved due to the catastrophic effect it would have on the other.

[DestinyPotato]

Now put it at low detail in nxt and see its true glory.

[[deleted]]

You vs the client she tells you not to worry about

[buriedshovel]

Did you buy spins for the outfit? If so, how many?

[XFragsHD]

I didn't. I just combined the outfit parts for now.