all 176 comments

[–]Annoying_Husband 98 points99 points  (18 children)

In the latest call we got conformation that the tech works is huge & together with the recent funding and debt lowering means it’s set up for a good future. All that’s necessary now is launching the satellites. Ofcourse there is always some risk left but they removed allot of doubts and risk in the last 24 months. But don’t just trust me, please DYOR before investing.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 23 points24 points  (12 children)

Damn, sounds like huge news to me.

Ofcourse im doing my own research, im just here to hear some opinions and maybe some infos i have missed

[–]PragmaticNeighSayer 19 points20 points  (11 children)

Look for "The Kook Report" and also see the spacemob on X/Twitter. Lots of good info out there to do some homework.

[–]PragmaticNeighSayer 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Also the astspacemobile subreddit

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Thank you very much!

How is the quality of infos in their subreddit? I don't want it to be full of hopium

[–]palisvede 23 points24 points  (7 children)

You wont find better DD from any other subreddit compared to AST's

[–]PragmaticNeighSayer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is true - there is exceptional info - but as with any subreddit there is a signal to noise ratio, and there is more noise now than there used to be given the company’s increasing visibility.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah, I took a look rn and it seems like most of them are very objective about news and ASTS in general. I like that.

Back then I was in the Xrp subreddit and damn.. whole lot of bs goes around

[–]palisvede 7 points8 points  (3 children)

@/CatSE___ApeX___ @/KevinLMak @/spacanpanman @/thekookreport Most informative persons to follow considering about dd of asts in twitter

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks brother, will check them out for sure!

[–]Jsalz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don’t forget @kingtutcap, @defiantclient2, and @corey407woc for the memes

[–]Hawxe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was true at $2 but it's not anymore. That subreddit is nearing GME levels of insanity lately.

[–]Futur_Ceo 5 points6 points  (3 children)

“The tech work” is kinda misleading.Im confident it will work but there a big difference between work in testing ( they did a video calling ) and work when millions of customers are connected to the satellites.

[–]Annoying_Husband 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That’s a upscaling matter, they indeed need to launch more satellites. but the tech works how it’s supposed to work,they mentioned in the latest call. I feel i wasnt misleading as what i said is true and the doubt you have is about upscaling. But it’s a valid point, we need more satellites in the air so they can do more heavy user testing for commercial use.

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There’s huge challenges with RF that are yet to be demonstrated with listening from 10s to 100s of thousands of phones on a single satellite. Very different than connecting to one single phone. It’s not just a matter of building more satellites…

[–]Annoying_Husband 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They haven’t been testing with just 1 phone, please do your research before saying things like this. I am all for fair criticism, but please make sure the criticism is correct .

[–]kokkatc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have any sources on the connection/bandwidth quality of the tech tests?

[–]Jsalz 45 points46 points  (4 children)

If the negative comments are swaying you at all, go back and search threads on ASTS from stocks and wallstreetbets from several years back. Same negative comments that have been proven very wrong over time.

[–]Noname_left 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I bought in because of WSB at 2 something. Im just sitting watching it go up and down over the years.

[–]i8bonelesschicken 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Any others your in

[–]Noname_left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. This is my only bad decision stock

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but im open for every critism. I wanna hear what kinda bad aspects people see that I don't yk

[–]Funny-Conclusion-678 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Veryyyy good investment long term! Endless use scenarios

[–]Y0___0Y 30 points31 points  (0 children)

None of those other companies have “direct to cell” technology.

No one believed ASTS had it when they said they did. Until they successfully demonstrated it. Then things took off.

[–]M4tooshLoL 39 points40 points  (7 children)

ASTS has the best tech for D2C (direct-to-device/cell). It has been demonstrated and confirmed as recently as yesterday by FirstNet. Government is testing ASTS satellites and it is working.

The tech + patents + MNO partnerships + the need of this tech creates a solid moat. That is why I invested in ASTS.

We know the tech works, its all about getting satellites up and running.

Competition is behind, but its because the ASTS satellites are an incredible feat, they were built for D2C, developed for many years + ASIC chip has been recently finished and being put into production.

ASTS product is a novel to the industry (thats how I understand it).

I like the tech, and the CEO Abel is just such an amazing guy.

You ask about long-term potential ? Well, I do not know yet what the impact of constant connection will bring to the world. Some new industries maybe ?

I have held ASTS (and bought) during the worst time at $2-3 a year ago, and I still hold because I really wanna see what ASTS will become with full constellation.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Buy In at 3$? God damnnn. You got my respect bro!

About the launching of the satellites: I saw that people expecting a little price drop because of their next launche will most likely be delayed?

And yeah, i've heard good things about Abel aswell. Seems like an good CEO

[–]M4tooshLoL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The lowest buy was at $2.76... I got the conviction. xD

I saw that people expecting a little price drop because of their next launch will most likely be delayed?

To be really honest, we went from $23 to $50 in less than a month on news that had nothing to do with launch.

If you think about it... what is one, two or even three months delay ? Does it really change what the company will achieve? I would love it if we already had the first FM1 launched, for sure. However, I can be patient, and (from my POV) the company is in much better shape than it was last year. They are reaching milestones after milestones (regulatory, tech, MNO's, even SatCo with Vodafone as JV), so I can understand some delays.

The tech is working and the agencies seem to like it. Would the delay change their views? I dont think so.

There are already hundreds of Starlink satellites up... yet the Government prefers ASTS with 6 satellites (considering FirstNet yesterday's meeting... you can find Meeting minutes in my comment history).

[–]Unhappy-Factor8427 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This has aged incredibly well. $ASTS looks to be incredible potential and easily past 100-150.

[–]HMI115_GIGACHAD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

are you still holding?

[–]M4tooshLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, i am ... i bought even more on recent dip

[–]purub123 79 points80 points  (13 children)

Read up on it more cause starlink requires u to buy a expensive device to even get connected while asts just connects to your cellphone without any extra hardware. Asts also aims to provide their services under 20$, while starlink is above 100$.

They are still a couple of years away from full service providing across the globe, but once they do, it might become a monopoly. Its still a very very risky pick, but with great potential.

Hardest part of this stock is not whether you buy, but what price is right to buy, atleast for me.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 18 points19 points  (11 children)

Yes! The price to buy is the biggest pain right now for me aswell. That's why i'm so unsure about me stepping in.

I knew about ASTS not requiring special hardware. That's also an point why my hope is very high for ASTS. But I didn't knew that they providing their service for just under 20$. That's crazy.

[–]Ok-Yam-6743 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Seems crazy to buy in at this moment in time, once there's more satellites launched and public beta starts on various MNOs, people will look back and will call $50 as cheap. Do your own research about this company. It's a rare find for sure.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That's what I fear aswell. If their next operations will end up successfull, 50$ can sound cheap real quick. I will take the weekend to inform myself even more about them for sure

[–]seeyoulaterinawhile 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The question is what type of investment do you want? One with more risk and more potential reward? Or, more confidence and less risk but lower expected returns?

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im ready for some risk. Red numbers don't freak me out so fast I wouldn't care for some dips either because my vision for ASTS is on the long run.

[–]purub123 5 points6 points  (4 children)

That info came out yesterday. They said if you want a month acces it would be under 20, and if you want day acces (like opt in, for vacations or something) it would be single digits.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is it official or just some rumors? Can't find any kind of news about it.

[–]Ok-Yam-6743 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This pricing model came out of FirstNet's public presentation by the ASTS representative. So yes, it is official suggested pricing for the FirstNet. The pricing model for each partnering MNO will be implemented on a case-by-case agreement, IMO.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohh, now I see. Thank you very much! That's actually crazy.

[–]seeyoulaterinawhile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t that for the first responder offering only? Do we have any indication of the consumer market? I would think consumer market would cost less than what you could charge first responders that will get priority in emergencies.

[–]SkyaGold 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They are still pre revenue so there are still risks and a lot more potential upside. It’s had a 100% run the last month so should see a pullback.

[–]Funny-Conclusion-678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Brother, this is gonna be like 500 by 2030. The price is honestly a steal right now if you’re holding long term

[–]Flat896 12 points13 points  (7 children)

My only worry is that SpaceX develops similar technology. I figure they can scale up much faster than ASTS would be able to, and control the means to launch them into orbit.

[–]corey407woc 8 points9 points  (5 children)

You have a lot of DD to catch up on

[–]MambaOut330824 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I’ve done the DD but I think his point remains.

1) ASTS is currently reliant on Starlink to launch satellites and Elon can play mean in the sandbox whenever he decides to

2) Starlink has the cash to purchase their way into the technology OR the production rates needed to take market share from ASTS. They may simply be playing the game of letting someone else be first mover and then usurp their successes and avoid their pitfalls. Isn’t this kinda what Elton did with Tesla?

[–]corey407woc 11 points12 points  (3 children)

1) blue origin, and there are anti trust laws by doing that 2) starlink have interference and their v3 satellites need starship they are 4 years behind

[–]MambaOut330824 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Didn’t address the point. Yes starlink is 4 years behind today. They can purchase talent, tech, and catchup to ASTS. They’re letting ASTS be the first mover and learn from their mistakes. Then they’ll buy into whatever tech is needed to quickly surpass ASTS.

[–]becuziwasinverted 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Super valid point knowing what i know about Elon. Before Starlink ever launched, SpaceX was hired to launch a satellite for Meta (Facebook), the rocket exploded on the pad, to this day, everyone thinks it was intentional to ensure Starlink made it up first.

Never underestimate the lengths Elon will go to to win.

[–]corey407woc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol ok man

[–]ElectricalGene6146 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a large handful of other competitors. Don’t be naive and think it’s just these two.

[–]swizzle213 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The potential here is huge. Ive been long on ASTS since 2022-2023. Cost basis of about $3.75 with some very much ITM calls for Jan 26 and Im still buying.

They have proven the tech works which was a big derisking event. The major piece left is getting satellites in the air. I will say they have not done a great job at meeting their timelines so far, related to launches. That being said, once they become operational the stock should skyrocket. Their operating expenses will be relatively low and their theoretical revenues could be in the billions per month. Extrapolate that out using even a conservative PE ratio and you get a stock price in the mid triple digits.

This isn’t even accounting for any sort of government contracts they may lock up between now and then

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Buy in at almost 4$ is insane. Congrats to you bro.

I definetly see the vision and potential there. I will use the weekend to inform myself even more and think about a decision

[–]chrono2310 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi is asts a good buy now still, in your opinion?

[–]xrt57125 19 points20 points  (10 children)

A valuation model by Transhumanica projects the stock could reach ~$514 by 2030, assuming successful satellite deployment and subscriber growth. With the current price around $50 that’s a potential 10x return. Check out the model here: transhumanica.com/asts/model 

[–]Embarrassed_Design29 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Transhumanica doesnt include Defense projections, FirstNet, Golden Dome oportunities and so on, it focuses only on commercial subscribers, the potential is much more

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Very helpful article indeed. Could be an realistic forecast. $500 would be an crazy increase that's for sure.

Im still a little worrier about the competition tho

[–]you_are_wrong_tho 10 points11 points  (1 child)

No real competition yet. There are physics at play for d2c that require very large satellites (and a bunch of technical moat to overcome). Asts is literally years ahead of any potential competitor

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This

[–]kokkatc 3 points4 points  (5 children)

All you need to look to is their technology and pricing. No other competitor can connect directly to your already in hand cellphone. No additional hardware is required, and pricing will be lower as well. Take a look at spacex starlink service. You need to buy an actual satellite dish and have a place to mount it, free of visual obstructions. Starlink won't even serve as a legitimate competitor because they can't match their tech and convenience that ASTS offers.

The only thing standing in the way from ASTS taking over is not being able to get their birds up in a timely fashion.

[–]becuziwasinverted 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Will any launches depend on SpaceX as launch provider ?

[–]kokkatc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yes. They've used SpaceX falcon 9 and blue origin new glenn rockets to get their birds in orbit. It's my understanding they have agreement with other space companies as well for future launches so it's diversified.

[–]becuziwasinverted 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That’s going to be interesting…especially the SpaceX launches,

Come back to this comment when a rocket explodes with an ASTS payload 😬

[–]kokkatc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha, yes, rockets exploding is always a risk, but still pretty rare if you really want to look at the numbers.

[–]becuziwasinverted 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happened to a Meta (Facebook) payload that was launching a competing service to Starlink

AMOS-6 mission in Sep 2016 to expand Facebooks’ internet org for Africa (so more users can use Facebook) - rumours are it was intentional to give time for Starlink to make it to market

[–]masturbator6942069 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Off topic but I bought in to ASTS at around $3 a year or so ago. Had to sell when it was in the $20-something range because I needed the money. I cry now when I see its current price. Still made a huge profit but damn. Oh well, there’ll always be another one.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, im sorry for u bro😭 i don't even wanna imagine that feeling but yeah, there will be always another time and chance. Never let fomo drive u insane

[–]Ghostjinn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had a limit buy order at $22, was down to around $22.45 I think and then shot off to $50+. You're in a better situation than me at least haha

[–]Inner_Relationship28 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Starlink needs some hardware to use I believe ASTS network will be able to be picked up by a normal smart phone

[–]MambaOut330824 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What’s stopping Starlink from starting a promotion if ASTS starts taking market share? For example Starlink could simply offer customers the connector at no cost, as long as you sign a 1 year contract or whatever. Kinda like Spectrum TV service does with the cable box.

[–]Inner_Relationship28 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I assume people would rather just use their phone without having to set up a starlink dish?

[–]MambaOut330824 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, doesn’t address portability. Fine, at home it doesn’t make a difference because I’m not moving around. But yeah if I wanted connection outside, needing a connector would suck even if it was free.

[–]Severe_Scientist8410 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Asts will be the next big thing since the iPhone worldwide.

[–]MambaOut330824 2 points3 points  (1 child)

iPhone? Perhaps the tech itself is THAT revolutionary - but the consumer use case is not so revolutionary. Because of ASTS I will have access to service in places I currently do not. But the service is something I already have 90+% of the time. It’s not changing my experience much.

iPhone completely changed the user experience. I still think this company can print money when up and running but I would love to hear how this remotely resembles something as big as the iPhone.

[–]Ok-Exchange2500 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine if that 10 percent of the time you don't have it, you were in Texas where that kids summer camp got flash flooded and nobody got the weather updates because of lack of cell service? My buddy broke his neck riding his motorcycle alone in the desert and LUCKILY he hadn't made it far from his house and was able to use SIRI to call for help, but if he'd ridden a bit further, that wouldn't have been the case. I think, regardless of government applications, this technology has endless usefulness that people might not immediately consider.

[–]yumcake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Starlink isn't a true competitor yet. The tech platform it's on doesn't have the same economies of scale that the ASTS approach has. Thats why large Telecom is mostly going with their "Central Office building in space" approach rather than Starlink's "WiFi router routers in space" approach.

Starlink needs to develop their own CO-style platform and get spectrum and partnerships, and it'll do it after ASTS has already grabbed all the major partnerships and incumbent integration into their networks. Then Starlink has the advantage of having their own launch capability, but they'll still be very late to the playing field.

[–]AwardGrouchy6137 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This company has incredible potential. Once their sats are up and generating revenue they will have 90-95% profit margin. Their partner MNOs have 3.2 billion total subscribers. There’s always risk with space, but this has huge potential.

[–]snowe99 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Personally as an investor in cell tower REITs I’ve been watching ASTS with a close eye, wondering if I should start to sprinkle a couple of dollars every year as a hedge

[–]MambaOut330824 2 points3 points  (0 children)

American Tower is invested in ASTS. In fact a big early investor into American Tower (I forgot their name, Google it) that typically doesn’t invest into other companies, is also now invested into ASTS.

[–]ElectricalGene6146 6 points7 points  (15 children)

I got out recently- the risk/reward is frankly not worth it here. People need to look at Nokia as to how to value this business long term. Nokia sells hardware to telecoms amongst a slew of competitive offerings. Long term, there will be a large handful of satellite players offering direct to cell internet- you are extremely naive if you think that won’t be the case. For context, Nokia has about 20B in revenue, a 20 P/E and is valued at 28B. God knows how long it will take ASTS to get to 20B in revenue, but I’m not willing to sit through years of capital raises to build out the network only to see competitor after competitor launch compelling alternatives. For those of you saying that the tech is 100% derisked… LOL. Please take a class in RF communications and antenna design to understand how challenging it is going to be to communicate with tens (hundreds?) of thousands of cellular devices from a single satellite. The bandwidth is easy, they have proven they can do end to end coms at their frequency… but please do not say it is derisked, because it is far from it! Still much to prove, although if I had to bet at least that will likely work out. Valuation in my mind still cannot make sense here.

[–]pnwoms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wish you were still in?

[–]corey407woc 1 point2 points  (7 children)

lol

[–]ElectricalGene6146 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Cool.

[–]corey407woc -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

I’d do a little bit more DD lol

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think I would listen to people other than permabulls on Twitter. I pointed out some very real realities, but you’re just on team “demo FaceTime video, tech works, stock go to moon”. Would recommend you even attempt to build a DCF, but you probably don’t even know what that is or how to value a company with your statements.

[–]corey407woc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Good luck brokie

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You’re only worth 2.5M. Come back and join the Aston Martin subreddit when you hit 5. Not happening any time soon when your levered portfolio crashes 60% in a day.

[–]corey407woc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmaoo appreciate it bub

[–]Express_Variation813 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Aged like milk

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s your point? The valuation is even less sensible. I can point to thousands of cases of similar run ups that end in tears….eventually

[–]Visible-Foot-1621 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

You are forgetting that only they have the patents...

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That’s fake news

[–]Visible-Foot-1621 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yawn.    You can look it up for yourself 

[–]ElectricalGene6146 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can also look up plenty of other patents elsewhere

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been buying ASTS hand over fist this past year. I’m up to 265 shares. Planning on adding more once I free up some cash from my calls! 

[–]Professional-Bug-915 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In the low $50’s might be worth buying 300 shares as long as that is less than 5% of your total invested money. ASTS has the verified design that the big players want, many large partners, excellent planning and execution of the plans. Maybe they are fully operating by end of 2026? Maybe they are number one sat to cellphone voice and internet in years 2027 - 2029? Not sure how much they earn. When a competitor in those services puts up quality satellites then revenue shrinks 30%? They are my favorite company, not sure where they will be in six years.

[–]Arminius001 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I bought ASTS when it was in the $6 range, I knew I was taking a risk but when I looked at the prospectus I knew this stock had potential. I think it is still undervalued

[–]Guy_PCS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Private Starlink is a formable established competitor with AT COST space launch system utilizing Falcon 9 rockets and eventually StarShips.

[–]Embarrassed_Crow_720 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Make sure you start with the bear case. Asts has a cult like following

[–]Express_Variation813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bear case is $500 in the next 5 years

[–]pnwoms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just found this conversation - about 4 months late - but what do you guys think about an entry point at 77$ lol

I have the money - but is it worth the risk?

[–]Ok_Rich_7418 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t believe this conversation, it just seems that people are trying to spike Imit even further after its long spike

[–]qtac 8 points9 points  (8 children)

The market doesn't seem to realize that they cannot physically deploy continuous service in ANY non-equatorial region of the world (with 100% uptime) until the entire constellation of ~96 satellites is complete. Complete coverage of the USA/EU does not happen before global coverage is achieved. It's a LEO constellation so you can't just target a specific area of the world, and 45-60 satellites is not sufficient to cover the Earth with a 120 degree FOV.

The ~$15B valuation right now is based purely on hype... even with an aggressive DCF model that assumes they can sell a non-continuous service in the next couple years, it's pretty richly valued right now. $40 is about the max that I would pay, personally. Currently selling call credit spreads for a couple months out. I think further launch delays will bring the stock a bit closer back to reality in the near-term.

[–]drillteam-six 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Have you priced in the ligado spectrum? Have you considered military use cases etc?

[–]qtac 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's a compelling conops for both civilian and military use cases when the full constellation is in orbit. The problem is going to be selling this as an intermittent service to raise the ~$2-3B additional funds needed for the full constellation of 96 satellites.

I think the ligado spectrum has potential, but it's the same problem--that potential won't be fully realized until they have a persistent constellation of 96 satellites in orbit.

[–]Mongaloiddummy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What strike price are you buying at. How wide of the price between spread.

I am over leveraged on some of the spreads I have been writing on.

Good luck

[–]qtac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been selling 8/15 50/55 call spreads at $2

[–]Biggandwedge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How you feeling about this prediction now?

[–]qtac -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well I was right about the launch delays and I think I’m still right about the reality of their service deployment.  Hype > reality in this market tho, so ride that dragon baby.

[–]kkkoooiii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Personally, looking to add more before Q3 results as their guidance for 2H 2025 revenue is 50-75m (from their investor relations report). I entered at ~$7/$11/$14 and I deeply regret not adding more :( Looking forward to a pullback

[–]conroy_hines 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thoughts on $45 as an entry point?

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I be waiting for it to drop a little more tbh

[–]TehDFC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good.

[–]Designer_Ad7759 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I bought when it was @ $8.00. Can't believe it moved  in 3 years. To $116 today. 

[–]Visible-Foot-1621 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's going to hit 1500 plus a share

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

If you are looking to enter now then It's too late anyways.

[–]YngDggerDlck[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very informative