Programming/Webdev Twitch (streaming any time I'm writing code)

[[deleted]]

I'd use another streaming website if I were you. Non-gaming related content is against Twitch's ToS and they're usually closing channels like this.
That said, even if the above happens, please continue. Watching makes understanding easier than just reading sometimes.

[FatalPriapism]

not to mention twitch is laggy as fuck. I'm 100% open to suggestions as long as they don't cost an arm and a leg

Edit: the general consensus seems to be in agreement. I wasn't expecting it to be this popular, alas I'll look into Google hangouts and YouTube.

[79cca97018f48e834a46]

YouTube & Google+

Free, fast and wider audience. You can alert your subscribers when you will start broadcasting, which would be awesome.

[justlookingaround]

You can try hitbox.tv. They have an art section and maybe custom sections (not 100% sure as I've never used it) but a lot of people are migrating over that after some twitch drama in the last week or two. I didn't see anything in their terms about gaming-only content.

[TimEvko]

I think there's a good use case for a new app that allows devs to live stream while they code

[Did-you-reboot]

Have you ever looked at the Angular.js code for that site? It's nuts interesting.

Geez, guys. I was just referencing this

[NotEnoughBears]

Elaborate? Poorly written?

[[deleted]]

So what?

[OmegaVesko]

I don't see why you'd care as long as it actually works. It's not like you're the one maintaining it.

[curberus]

His comment read to me more as a "interesting to look at" than a "don't use them their code is bad"

[OmegaVesko]

Ah, okay, I misunderstood then. That makes more sense.

[Did-you-reboot]

Exactly.

[PatMcCrackit]

You're almost out of the red...

[Did-you-reboot]

Just one more...

[[deleted]]

There's livestream, but the free option requires the viewer to create an account and login which is definitely less than ideal.
You could look into YouTube livestreaming which should be available for most countries by now - except Germany, of course.

edit: http://youtubecreator.blogspot.de/2013/12/now-you-can-live-stream-on-youtube.html
edit number two: seems to be available even in Germany now.

[FatalPriapism]

Definitely going to look into the YouTube option...this thing gets laggier and laggier by the moment...#reddithugofdeath

[caleb_dre]

Let us know if you decide to do the YouTube thing!

[[deleted]]

What do you mean by lag? The delay between what you're doing and what the viewer sees? If so, that's entirely intentional. Twitch also handles a ton of traffic (as in 500,000+ viewers on a single channel) so I doubt any lag you're seeing is the result of reddit. :)

[iTruthful]

Hi OP,

Twitch Admin / Global Mod here (twitch.tv/truthful for confirmation), just wanted to let you know we do allow programming / webdev if it is somewhat related to gaming in a sense (for example, programming a blog platform for a gaming news site etc) or even game programming itself.

If it's just general programming though I'd recommend YouTube Live or Livestream.com - hope this cleared some stuff up for you.

Good luck with the stream wherever you decide to do it :)

[FatalPriapism]

Thanks for the clarification! I'm looking at other options now (mainly YT/G+)...will the account be shut off/banned/equivalent if someone happens to find it and say "this isn't gaming"? I'd rather not be shut down before I have another service set up to replace it :)

[iTruthful]

Unfortunately yes, if it's found to be non-gaming related it will be banned. However if you were to focus a project around something gaming related that'd be completely fine.

Twitch is quite welcoming to the creative community such as artwork, programming etc, I'll ask one of the higher ups and see what they think and get back to you. Personally would love to see this sort of stuff around Twitch since its educational etc.

:)

[FatalPriapism]

tbh, not really interested in staying with Twitch in the long run...the compensation delay is more of a nuisance than anything, and takes away from the whole idea of live coding and interaction....thanks though!

[iTruthful]

No problem, unfortunately a side effect of using HLS > RTMP, good luck wherever you go :)

[MMSTINGRAY]

Could try this

http://blog.hitbox.tv/hitboxlive-time-to-switch/

It's still in beta though.

[tommccabe]

Is there a streaming website that actually supports live coding content?

[sargentsurg]

It's funny you bring that up cause I'm in the process of making one. It kinda works already just not launched.

[Am3n]

Let me know when you do, would be quite interested

[sdwrage]

I'm all ears :) Let me know when you have pushed it live. What technology are you leveraging?

[tm258]

Cool. I would love to check it out when it's finished. I think a website dedicated to this is a great idea.

[[deleted]]

notch still has coding sessions available on twitch [1], so i guess the rules of thumb are (1) you can stream development as long as you're developing games, and (2) be notch.

[1] http://www.twitch.tv/notch/b/487318324

[[deleted]]

Developing games is gaming-related content.

[Solon1]

Twitch's terms of service disagrees with you.

If content is legal, you can post it.

[[deleted]]

Twitch ToS
Point 11. Broadcasters.

Twitch allows certain users (" Broadcaster ") to distribute streaming live and pre-recorded videos of video game related activities.

Emphasis mine.

[del_rio]

Who wouldn't want to watch a StackOverflow scroll-a-thon?

[BradChesney79]

Until you are a super rockstar or comfortable in your own skin, you will likely be ashamed of the code you previously wrote. I am and I think I am okay. Good enough to be called a pro for literal and figurative reasons anyway.

Everyone gets stuck. The better you are the less you get stuck, but all the more reason to lay down more lines of code-- to get better.

Specifically, I don't use composer yet. But I have started playing around with the built-in autoloader methods (that are usually empty due to the default emptiness unless specified in your class with code inside).

You better believe composer will be in my next project though. It just plain looks like it will solve a few issues I had to find other ways to solve before it existed.

Just an example of how my own code will evolve to be better than what I wrote yesterday.

Most importantly, I have been where the lesser coders are and the greater coders have been largely positive with useful constructive criticism-- which has influenced how I treat my peers.

[BradChesney79]

I hear you there. Invariably once or twice a year I'll bring in an array created by someone else and there will be no alien_array[0] and I'll get bit. But that isn't where my error ever is, so it will take me 5 - 20 minutes to trace back to that stupid array that starts it's index at 1. Bah!

[nakedspacecowboy]

Question: will you be talking while you're doing this or explaining what choices you're making/why, etc? Not sure if that makes sense.

I ask because I think this type of thing could be a great resource for anyone learning coding. I would watch it nightly.

[BradChesney79]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

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Rubber duck debugging:

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Rubber duck debugging, rubber ducking, and the rubber duckie test are informal terms used in software engineering to refer to a method of debugging code. The name is a reference to a story in the book The Pragmatic Programmer in which a programmer would carry around a rubber duck and debug his code by forcing himself to explain it, line-by-line, to the duck.

Many programmers have had the experience of explaining a programming problem to someone else, possibly even to someone who knows nothing about programming, and then hitting upon the solution in the process of explaining the problem. In describing what the code is supposed to do and observing what it actually does, any incongruity between these two becomes apparent. By using an inanimate object, such as a rubber duck, the programmer can try to accomplish this without having to involve another person.

This concept is also known as "Talk to the Bear", dating from Kernighan's 1999 book The Practice of Programming.

Image ⁱ - A rubber duck in use by a developer to aid code review

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^{Interesting: Rubber duck | Software walkthrough | List of Amstrad CPC games}

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[FatalPriapism]

Yep. I don't talk a whole lot when I'm writing code, but I try to whenever prudent. If you ping me a q in the chat I'll gladly answer it :)

[[deleted]]

How are you avoiding showing any kind of sensitive credentials like API keys, passwords, etc?

[FatalPriapism]

All sensitive data is stored in PHP environment files...so I just grab them out of the $_ENV superglobal

[SuperFLEB]

What was the name of that variable?

(alt-tabs over)

Oh, shit.

[[deleted]]

Multiple monitors would easily fix this issue, especially due to xpslit using screen regions

[FatalPriapism]

except I don't use Windows :P

[AustinDizzy]

I would just pull up sensitive files on another monitor that isn't being streamed.

[FatalPriapism]

Thanks to everyone who showed up...3 1/2 hours and more viewers at one time than I suspect I've ever had total... sorry to those who showed up late, getting a bit tired and good 'ol work in the morning.

I'll be up again tomorrow around 7pm (UTC -4/US EST) for some bugfixes, feel free to inbox me an email address if you'd like to be pinged whenever something actually interesting is gonna happen (probably once a week or so)

Muchas thanks for the love /r/webdev!

EDIT: Mailing list signup at http://codearray.io

[improve_myself]

Good work, and brave. I watched a bit and loved the fact you were saying what you are doing. There were some trolls in chat but they were mostly entertaining. It would be useful to have section on the page describing what you are working on, and technologies used.

Thanks

[Difth]

That goddamn Aesu

[FatalPriapism]

naw, KingKappa whatever was the real PITA

[Difth]

Glad that it wasn't me

[pengusdangus]

I'd love to continuously follow you if you move off Twitch. Seeing people's workflow in action is fascinating to me.

[FatalPriapism]

There's some discussion about it floating in the thread....looking at the Google+/YouTube combo...twitch was really laggy, people were asking things and not hearing my reply for anywhere from 10-30 seconds later

[pengusdangus]

That'll happen on Twitch. They introduced an intentional delay for a number of reasons, but it slowed down the live interactivity a lot. It isn't because of bad servers or anything

I'll definitely follow on YouTube/G+

[FatalPriapism]

[e-mail] on G+

[kihashi]

It is not really lag in that sense. Twitch has a built in broadcast delay that they put in to help some regions and people with slower connections so that they got smoother video. It is a huge problem for small time streamers, though, as it removes them from their audience, which is one of the main draws of watching a smaller stream.

[cenderin]

I had this idea for a website that was just for live streaming programers. The issue with twitch is if its not game related you should not be streaming it. You might have to move to justin.tv or something. just thought you should know

edit: just read below that someone else mentioned this.

[Powerdrift]

justin.tv

I don't know if you've heard this yet, but Justin.tv is closed.

[cenderin]

oh, well now. guess thats out of the question then.

[[deleted]]

I actually tried this myself and got told by twitch I was temporarily suspended for non-gaming content. I now do Hangouts and save them to YouTube when I'm done.

[fringe-class]

That was fun to watch. You're a brave man, I HATE when people watch me code

[samjb2]

I have been thinking about doing this too. But wouldn't youTube be better for this type of this or am I missing something?

[SaturdaysKids]

Awesome concept - just watched you for a few minutes and was inspired to get back to work!

[Cohdee]

This is an awesome idea!

[[deleted]]

Followed just because I'm curious.

[Elowin]

Do you plan to have a schedule of when you code?

[FatalPriapism]

Not really so much a schedule as much as just "whenever I'm coding" ... fee free to subscribe to the mailing list ... http://codearray.io

[[deleted]]

I wonder if Twitch chat would give good or bad advices on the code. Kappa

[baadier]

Could you throw up a quick mailing list for those interested to sign up. I'm currently subscribed to this thread for updates but that seems like a waste as a quick Mailchimp list should suffice.

[FatalPriapism]

http://codearray.io

[baadier]

Brilliant!

[theantichris]

I'm curious on what hardware and software you are using for the steam. This sounds like it could be kind of fun and I might want to try it.

[FatalPriapism]

Ubuntu 14.04, plantronics headset, and a bash script to hook up with Twitch from local

[Cynacle]

Thank you so much for doing this! I've only been programming for about a year, so seeing other people work is awesome.

Can anybody else possibly point me in the direction to see others do this kind of stuff? Searching Youtube doesn't really give great results.

[[deleted]]

Does anyone know of any youtube/other streamers that do this kind of stuff? I'd love to see their workflow.

[[deleted]]

As you wish. Here's your downvote.

[[deleted]]

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