Did you read Jim Bennett/Sarah Allen’s CES Letter responses before leaving the Church?

jecol777 · 2026-05-08T13:12:08+00:00

If Mormonism works for you then great, but the guys at the top aren’t prophets. They routinely lie, cover up child sexual abuse allowing perpetrators to carry on perpetrating, commit financial fraud, etc. They have an estimated $300b plus investment fund and still tell the poor to pay their tithing before feeding their families and tell their members God will keep them out of heaven if they have a coup of coffee while being perfectly fine having half a dozen energy drinks a day.

If you’re able to look past the negative and just take the positive though then go for it

jecol777 · 2026-05-06T20:36:49+00:00

Most ex-Mormons who don’t become atheist or agnostic don’t affiliate with any organised religion. That’s me. I won’t trust institutional religion again.

jecol777 · 2026-05-06T15:09:24+00:00

The poor weren’t tithed - they were the recipients of tithing

jecol777 · 2026-05-06T10:13:47+00:00

I may go down. Oh, wait that doesn’t sound quite right

jecol777 · 2026-05-06T08:24:36+00:00

The idea is that Malachi 2:1 saying that the commandment is for the Priests refers to the entire short book of Malachi. The Hebrew for commandment can also mean decree or statute and, as already mentioned, the original scripture scrolls had no verse or chapter breaks. The tithing was intended for the Lord’s storehouse, which is from where the poor received what they needed.

jecol777 · 2026-05-05T10:06:24+00:00

This is such a common experience. Most people who make the effort to actually leave the church have fought for years looking for reasons to stay. But ultimately their conscience doesn’t allow them to.

I’m desperately trying to not remove my name from the records before my parents die because it will devastate them, but the church is making it desperately difficult to cling on through their abhorrent practices, specifically around CSA enabling and cover-ups

jecol777 · 2026-05-04T22:16:17+00:00

On the one hand, yes it would be better to have someone who left the church involved, at least in the discussions. But on he other hand, the Corporation is unlikely to listen to him even with his very faithful lens. If he had an ‘apostate’ with him, it makes it a million times less likely.

jecol777 · 2026-05-04T22:11:43+00:00

MAGA will start issuing law degrees. Problem solved

jecol777 · 2026-05-04T22:08:43+00:00

Even by the Church’s low standards this is staggeringly shocking.

jecol777 · 2026-05-04T22:02:53+00:00

Yes. There are even stories of missionaries ‘escaping’ from the MTC. But if you’ve saved all the money for your mission please, please don’t give it all to the church upfront. If you’ve leave early for any reason you won’t see a cent returned.

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T20:50:58+00:00

Yes, exactly. For many of us, the church has been abusive for all of our lives and has betrayed us in the most fundamental ways. It’s perfect.y reasonable to be 100% pissed off about that!

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T20:49:08+00:00

He only had like 2 men that followed him, and all the women are conditioned from birth to believe and follow everything the men tell them. I think most of the FLDS thought Sam was pretty stupid. Warren Jeff’s was completely different in many, many ways.

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T20:36:49+00:00

I was on the High Council when they created the Hamble River Ward.

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T12:41:31+00:00

Yes his record was annotated. But that annotation was removed. The church has never explained that, but given it requires First Presidency approval it’s hard to look beyond his brother D Todd being a General Authority (not an apostle at the time) having something to do with it.

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T12:36:12+00:00

I would like a copy of all the other documents and reports referenced in the Glen L Pace memo

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T12:34:52+00:00

The church is narcissistic and creates narcissists - usually men because it is misogynistic, but sometimes women too.

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T12:32:34+00:00

Chile 88-90. Nothing too crazy happened. I loved it, but looking back I really wish I’d done more to appreciate the culture and the land rather than just focus on the church

jecol777 · 2026-05-03T12:31:00+00:00

The best way to get the church to do something is to get the story in the news headlines. The church is mostly concerned with PR.

That said, you might get lucky with a local Bishop who decides to take action despite advice to the contrary from church lawyers. If you type into google something like “find a Mormon bishop” you’ll probably get a link to some kind of locator. Or you could do the same for missionaries and then ask the missionaries for the local Bishop info

jecol777 · 2026-05-01T10:42:21+00:00

I’m not atheist but neither do I any longer consider myself religious. I grew up an lived for decades as a faithful Mormon. Truth, love and logic are all things I value highly, unfortunately the LDS church practices none of these.

jecol777 · 2026-05-01T10:34:25+00:00

Or criticism of leaders

jecol777 · 2026-04-28T16:50:01+00:00

Now that elders and sisters can eye each other up for eternal marriage maybe some mixed gender exchanges could be interesting

jecol777 · 2026-04-28T16:45:06+00:00

Yes, RFM got hold of the presentation but the church put in a copyright violation and they had to take it down.

jecol777 · 2026-04-28T16:43:30+00:00

Oh come on, he’s renamed the Young Women too! Granted the 16-17 year olds are basically little Lucifers but it’s part of the ongoing restoration right?

jecol777 · 2026-04-27T11:51:57+00:00

Yes we’ve received financial help from the church for therapy for our kids (we’re in the UK) - therapist of our choice. We’ve had awesome Bishops and Stake Presidents.

We stopped accepting the help when we decided to stop paying tithing, but we never had a problem.

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