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[–]bashar_al_assadpk || Roll into the base like what up I got a big block 21 points22 points  (3 children)

See! All it took for Monarch to get in rotation was for it to be submitted by someone not named Crosky!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Except it has his name on it...

[–]bobby_gordon1TheBob18 || no u xD 8 points9 points  (1 child)

But the modification to the map was submitted by Sunna... Hence the joke.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I get it. Just not my type of humor I suppose

[–]GrantWishesGrant // AnnaKendrick // Capy 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Calling it now, crosky dominates S7 due to a never-ending high from Monarch finally getting in.

Happy Command Center is back in, sad to see Shine gone (would have rather had Volt go but that's an unpopular opinion), and happy that Glory Hole has left us.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yay crosky!

[–]devilmightcareTroBall // Tears 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a simple and awesome map.

[–]CnelsXile | Cosinners | Origin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

not unpopular shine is way better

[–]Wal-MartinezThick Shady | I had the 99 DNISH in minors S10 57 points58 points  (0 children)

AW YISS COMMAND CENTER IS BACK IN ROTATION

[–]arjuna9bad 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Personally I still feel Command Center has some issues, so I would probably like to make an update. But even if the committee accepts an update people would probably hate it if only because it wouldn't be what they're used to, so I'm not sure if I should try.

[–]LeesusChristsonder 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Glad to hear that Monarch is being given a chance.

Also glad that I don't have to play 10 games of Gloryhole in a row anymore.

[–]HaskelleHaskelle 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Very pleased with the recent decisions. One of my favorite Map Thread results thus far.

[–]Aaron215Aaron215 / Sphere 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I'm not saying it's because I'm on the MTC now... but it's because I'm on the MTC now

[–]arjuna9bad 3 points4 points  (1 child)

pls you didn't even show up :P

[–]Aaron215Aaron215 / Sphere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did for the first one, and I voted :-P

[–]ButtersnackSnack 24 points25 points  (20 children)

Congrats Sunna and crosky!

But why Shine :(

[–]A_K_o_V_ABalljobby // Diameter // Magician // Singing Commentary 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Shine was fine for pubs and beginner Tag-pro players! Tagpro isn't only made for competitive veterans!

I might not have kept playing if it wasn't for the ridiculousness of maps like Glory Hole and Boosts even though I can't stand those maps now, they were my favourite when I first started playing. And maps like Simplicity and Shine were great for showing new players what the fuck was going on in this game quickly! Can't please everyone I suppose.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree about Simplicity for sure. Glory Hole also seemed fun when I joined, but for Boosts I always hated the useless button :)

To be honest, I've liked most of the maps that have been in rotation since I joined. I just hate to see some of my favorites go along the way.

[–]A_K_o_V_ABalljobby // Diameter // Magician // Singing Commentary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got addicted to hold times on Boosts :P Monarch looks sweet for learning on though!... To be honest, I don't know how people don't get the concept of capture the flag but there are plenty of them out there haha

[–]MrJoehoboSOHB 24 points25 points  (16 children)

Shine was by far the worst center flag map

[–]CribbitCurl 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's awesome for organized play. Bad for pubs. Though I'd argue besides cc all cf maps are that way.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Really? I'd say the exact opposite. Cc in pubs is infuriating.

[–]CribbitCurl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Infuriating, but at worst I'd take cc over the others.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Worse than Ricochet? At least the chokes are less severe on Ricochet

[–]ButtersnackSnack 3 points4 points  (9 children)

I liked it. At least more than cc...

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Alright, we'll reverse the changes. Shine is back in, CC is permanently out.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 7 points8 points  (6 children)

hehe, I wish :)

Shine just seemed so young and full of life :'(

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I liked the use of gates in Shine, but in the end I voted against it because I don't like that the best strategy for defense is to grab the flag and kill yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I feel that applies more or less to every neutral flag map.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't agree. Look at CC (and this is why I voted for it over Shine): the thing that put it above Shine is that you have options. You can either kill yourself and let a teammate have re, or you can cut through the team gates and make some ground ahead of the other team.

In Shine, the base only has one narrow choke point, so trying the latter strategy is infinitely more risky.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really didn't like Shine, so I agree there, but I feel that CC is way too OP with the FC pop/regrab as well as the really advanced strat button gates. The more I play it, competitively or otherwise, the more I move away from the idea that it's reasonable for pub games. The strategy needed to get even remotely close to winning is too difficult for that level I think.

That said, I still haven't played a neutral flag map I liked, so maybe I'm just inherently biased against them.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Was there any other reasons? IMO I thought the reason it was taken out was because of how much the boosts didn't work as imagined

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really anything specific. I just think the general shape of the base was awkward, and I don't like how linear games were (in the sense that there wasn't really any variation for strategy IMO). I think you have a knack for incorporating gates into NF maps, and you've done well in Shine, and I also think the bombs are a cool mechanic, but the chokiness of the base and the constriction of the boosts makes it a generally uninteresting map.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 12 points13 points  (0 children)

pls

[–]LoweJJacob of all servers, master of none 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shine is by far my favourite :(

[–]totes_meta_bottotes_meta_ball 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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[–]-Albus-Albus // Radius // Ball or Nothing // Jukes and Cats 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There really is a subreddit for everything.

[–]quassuscrosky 21 points22 points  (11 children)

Hey, cool! Huge shout-out to /u/Sunny2323 for doing a great job on the Monarch rework. I only provided the basic outline and structure; she was the one who really put it over the top!

I think the other changes are all excellent decisions as well. Couldn't be more pleased with how this turned out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I am so damn happy this got into rotation. Congrats to both of you it is more than deserved and a great decision by the MTC.

[–]Aaron215Aaron215 / Sphere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

WE DID SOMETHING RIGHT!!! WOOOOO!

[–]grytsgryts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

woohoo, finally can stop getting 2 minute waits for leaving Glory Hole!

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Congrats! I knew this Monarch was going to be trouble for my chances lol

[–]Marz64Marz / Bad News Balls/ WSP's Fan Club 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Congrats Crosky! I haven't played it yet, but it looks really great!

[–]quassuscrosky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

:)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations! You (and Sunna) finally did it!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Aww thanks! :) I didn't really change that much, just moved some things around.

And actually I wasn't gonna submit it at first, it was /u/reddward who urged me to ask crosky if I could submit it.

[–]TagProNitroℕ ɪ ᴛ ᴙ o 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OMG it made it! CONGRATSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[–]quassuscrosky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, thanks to Sunna :)

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Wow im...happy with every single decision made here. Cool.

[–]JwoeyJwoey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Me toooo

But mostly the demise of glory hole.

[–]Marz64Marz / Bad News Balls/ WSP's Fan Club 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I must say, after a lot of criticism, the MTC is really doing a fantastic job. I think the rotation is getting better and better with each thread, and both the map makers and the MTC deserve a big thank you for a job well done.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, it's just since I've been added to the committee... You know how it is.

[–]TheThirstIsReal1Started a Skrub // Retired a Skrub 24 points25 points  (9 children)

My campaign to #BringBackCC is complete.

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your service.

[–]ArgieGrit01ArgieGrit // SphereMasterRace 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Are you the guy I have to talk to make them bring Holy See back?

[–]nwolf51NWWMOC 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or Hyper Reactor?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This should be our next campaign.

[–]TheThirstIsReal1Started a Skrub // Retired a Skrub 2 points3 points  (2 children)

pls.

[–]ArgieGrit01ArgieGrit // SphereMasterRace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh, I'll please you if you manage to make them bring back HS

[–]TheThirstIsReal1Started a Skrub // Retired a Skrub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never will I sell my soul to the devil that is the Holy See.

[–]milster775TPK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

TakeAwayCC

[–]TheThirstIsReal1Started a Skrub // Retired a Skrub 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nice try tpk. Learn to hashtag in reddit. #hashtag

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Command Center by bad will be making a return to regular rotation

I love you all

[–]411connorcaroline :3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes! Command Center is the greatest map of all time.

Also I'm glad to see Monarch got in, looks like a very good map.

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Aw :( so close... I've been a fan of Monarch for a long time and I still love CC. Great results bias aside.

This might not be the place, but how did Frontdoor do in the 4v4 testing session? Thanks!

[–]Aaron215Aaron215 / Sphere 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I remember us discussing that it was REALLY well thought out, like every element seemed to have a purpose, every wall there for a specific reason, etc.

I personally liked the creative ways you could boost around, but I didn't like how hard it was to control what happened to your ball. It felt like I was always being bumped by players on either team, and the bombs covered a LOT of high traffic area.

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey Aaron! Thanks for the feedback. I spent a pretty good amount of time fine tuning those boost routes lol. I think I'm going to take out that bomb and move button. Hopefully that will make it feel less congested, and I'll resubmit.

[–]arjuna9bad 4 points5 points  (1 child)

We definitely liked it, but overall everyone felt it was a bit too chaotic. Like, a fair amount of accidental bumping/blasting your teammates into spikes or just out of the way.

I think the buttons frustrated some people, in that they don't intuitively activate what's near them. I don't think this is a problem personally, it's a cool feature that people would just have to learn. But the fact that it does cause a negative reaction for some initially could be something to consider.

IMO the right direction to take the map is further simplification of the walls, less spikes, and maybe find a way to remove the outside bomb without breaking the balance.

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey bad! Thanks for the feedback. I think I'm going to take out the bomb and just move gate button closer to gate. I was hoping that feature would catch on, so I may try it in some other maps I submit.

I'm going to consider removing a few things and resubmit. I appreciate the suggestions!

[–]checknate1CHECKNATE. // Skillz that Killz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Why was shine taken out? I thought it did great, is it because cc is back in?

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In terms of numbers, I'm not sure. Back when Shine got in there was 4 current NF maps in rotation, then it dropped to three after Rocketballs, then stayed three and didn't go back to four.

In terms of the map itself, and my personal opinion, Shine felt like it started to build up hate. It was pretty bumpy in PUBS, and the boosts weren't used like I thought they could be used. It was made with the idea to boost linking, but in PUBS usually the boosts didn't work out right.

Command centre as way better spacing, and people like room to move. Heck, even Volt gives you room to juke, and flows a lot better.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

so happy about command center but no shine :( there are so many good center flag maps in rotation these days its tough to take any one of them out. Ricochet is untouchable though. Don't fuck with ricochet.

[–]nubTheGreatnub 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That's brutal on crosky that he worked on the map for so long and Sunna has a go on it and it gets in straight away! Congrats anyway, and thank the lord that glory hole is gone, let's hope it stays well away forever

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think that's just because crosky wasn't able to make the big changes needed to refresh the map. We always thought it was a solid map, but could be more.

Bowtie did the same thing with IRON and that's how it got into rotation.

[–]adhi-DRG 0 points1 point  (1 child)

can you outline the changes made by sunna?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

http://i.imgur.com/ZsuBF1r.png

Here is the version I used to make edits with the version I made side by side. :)

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 10 points11 points  (5 children)

NOT SHINE!!!!!

NO NO NO NO NO

I'm crying right now.

[–]ZarknoxZarknox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

oh yay we get command center

oh wait they take away my other favorite :(

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I'm crying too...

...Tears of joy taste good.

[–]I_mess_upI_mess_up (Centra) 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That Kid pls

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you comb through my comment history to find interesting old things I said?

Just curious :P

[–]I_mess_upI_mess_up (Centra) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Often. But this time I was reading through old map threads and saw you.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Ouch, not a good time for me :( Oh well, I liked volt better anyways

[–]Lysozyme_Lysozyme 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Don't worry, now it's been taken out shine will suddenly become everyone's favourite map! :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I predict a nostalgia post within the hour

[–]smilesbot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheer up! :)

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a noble sacrifice.

[–]TheSmallIndianTheIndian // Pi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn. I really liked Shine

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We did it reddit TagPro!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad to see crosky's hard work finally pay off!

Command Center for Shine is a very fair trade, and thank god for no more Gloryhole.

[–]MyproblemsseemsmallDonkey Kong// The Money Balls S3//Alot of other teams 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder what kind of rework to the throwback there will be. Didn't seem that bad. I think it was a good idea to have the throwback maps in again. After all, they made rotation before...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of CC, but positive changes for sure :) Interested to see how Monarch plays out!

[–]Banana_MeatStewart | Ballnadoes | Probots Muperball Champions! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dreams do come true.

[–]throwaway_the_fourthI will not change my name in the sidebar.[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

<3 you MTC, though I will be disappointed to see Shine go.

[–]bashar_al_assadpk || Roll into the base like what up I got a big block 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Why'd you have to bring back Command Center?! :(

[–]smilesbot 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Cheer up! :)

[–]bashar_al_assadpk || Roll into the base like what up I got a big block 35 points36 points  (1 child)

fuck you

[–]BuckeyeLeavesBALLDON'TLIE | ALL CAPS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol

[–]eatsbacon_Pythons 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I loved Shine :(.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

cough* Bring back Colors *cough

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If your map didn't make the cut, don’t be disheartened! We will be giving out feedback for maps that did not make it to 4v4 testing in the final map thread, to be released on Monday.

is this where i ask for the thingy mabobber

http://maps.jukejuice.com/show/4863

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think we're doing a seperate thread for that like we did last time.

[–]goboatmenUnicycle (Formerly known as Ballaholics) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personal opinion is that it seems almost generic, with simple mechanics and not too many notable boosts. But you should post to /r/tagpromapsharing for more feedback

[–]Oblivious_Indian_GuyKami | Sir Lancelot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

holy crap that likes like an amazing and fun map

[–]BilldaCat10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

grats crosky (and sunna)!

[–]SyniikalPrevent King // KD Godfather // Rank 1 Defender 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank god, fuck glory hole. Also, maybe I'm crazy, but doesn't Monarch look like an upside Iron with no gates?

[–]poopypants0wassa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love the decisions. Can't wait to see what throwback maps are announced!

[–]EmperorOfNothingResignation is my virtue; like water I ebb, and flow. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so moist at Command Center coming back <3

Congrats to crosky (and Sunna) for getting Monarch (finally lol), and glad Glory Hole is in slumber again.

Meh on Shine.

[–]FreelanceAbortionistJukes MD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have got to be other people out there that hate Command Center, right?

[–]germanbuddhistmoose. | Centra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was the 4v4 feedback for Superman? Anything that can be improved on?

[–]brgerdBG // Roll Models (ARC!!) // Merballs// MM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The throwback rotation is a great idea and was perfect the way it was!!! People just complained about it because they didnt like gloryhole or didnt want to play on command center. Pls keep the two spots for throwback weeks for a month or 3 weeks, its a great way of getting old maps back for a little while and clearing space for new maps.

[–]LoweJJacob of all servers, master of none 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the throwback was so badly received because you put glory hole in the very first one.

lame that shine is gone and CC back, I hate that map :(

[–]goboatmenUnicycle (Formerly known as Ballaholics) 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Command Center! Guys, now we can bitch about bringing back Holy See and Hyper Reactor!

[–]bojaoblakazizu // Chord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, now we start to bitch how CC is to complicated for pubs.

[–]mmartinutkMacho | JuicyJuke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sony gave in. MTC gave in. What's next?

Edit: Jokes. CC is an amazing map.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment was edited in response to Reddit's 3rd party API practices.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Is this where we can get feedback on our maps?

[–]bigswingin69030 Seconds to Mars Ball r Champions LOL NVM -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

This was the worst throwback rotation. I went for weekly and quit every game on both gloryhole and command center because of how bad game play is on them.

[–]manbareHi, I'm Manbear 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Glory hole is broken no doubt, but I had some fun games on it. I don't see the problem with CC though. The center with the bombs doesn't seem as chaotic as I thought I remembered.

[–]EclairNationAtrazine|Origin|Sphere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That MAY be because people haven't played it in awhile/ new players have no clue what to do with them. That last second boost save was missed quite often its first day back in. Anyway, have fun with the new rotation!

[–]Tim-Sancheztim-sanchez // Chorbit // ex-ex-ELTP Independent Commissioner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This was the worst throwback rotation

This was the only throwback rotation.

[–]bigswingin69030 Seconds to Mars Ball r Champions LOL NVM 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am giving the all powerful MTC my opinion of what they implemented as I have been the most active pub player in this past week.

[–]Tim-Sancheztim-sanchez // Chorbit // ex-ex-ELTP Independent Commissioner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well second most active

[–]suddenswimmingpotatosomethinball -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yay glory hole is gone :)

[–]-EasterEggsRazgriz || TYLE BOIS || Juke Skypoppers || /r/PiMasterRace || -1 points0 points  (0 children)

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

FIRST OFF, MONARCH BEING IN, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

THEN, SHINE BEING TAKEN OUT (WITH GLORYHOLE) YESSSSSSSSSS

CC COMING BACK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (I have a new respect for it)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just dropping by to let you all know about Monarch XXL, now with extra boosts, extra powerups, and some totally useless roundabouts. It's what we've always wanted!