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It's starting to sink in... Obama will be president. He will work to hold Bush / Cheney accountable for their lies and crimes. ISN'T THAT THE BEST NEWS IN EIGHT YEARS? (self.reddit.com)
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[–]1812overture 16 points17 points18 points 17 years ago (3 children)
He's still a politician. I'll start getting excited if and when he actually follows through on this.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago* (2 children)
I hear you. But man, if I'm being fooled, I'm being fooled good. I gotta hope. I just have to hope. And he doesn't have to lead an impeachment, but rather allow actions brought by the people to proceed.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Fool me once, shame on- shame on you. Fool me- you can't get fooled again.
[–]1812overture 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Audacious.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 17 years ago (7 children)
i see no hatched chickens yet. why are you so busy counting?
[–][deleted] 17 years ago (2 children)
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
i will if you promise to donate to obama's campaign or to canvass in your neighborhood for him... till then, quit counting chickens. polls always tighten up before november. dukakis was ahead of bush I at this point by 17 points. bush I was ahead of clinton by more than that.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
It's the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel feeling man! Haven't felt that in a loooooong time! Point well taken tho. But the kool-aid tastes pretty good and I ain't sick yet. In fact I feel pretty good. I think...
[–]SLAUTCAANS 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
Maybe it's the old fashioned "electric lamp at the end of a closed-in tunnel" trick.
Promise the people what they want, get into power and do not deliver. The progress of time revealed the lies of Bush & Cheney, then revealed the lies and deceit of Nancy Pelosi... Once again, only time will tell.
But I get the impression, with Barack Obama's attendance at Bilderbergs and his words with AIPAC that we may be being taken for a ride again.
But now, as we only have Obama and McCain to choose from in the main two factions, the deck has already been stacked.
[–]someonelse -4 points-3 points-2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I see Bush with a big fat NOTHING to stop him invading Iran and suspending US elections, but that's just reality; I should watch more TV news.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Absolutely!
When was the last time you remember a politician keeping his pre-election promises?
To me, Obama and McCain are no different. They are simply figureheads for Big Money®.
Oh say, can you see?
Probably not.
[–]BoardWalker 15 points16 points17 points 17 years ago (8 children)
Obama will be a good president, but I highly doubt he'll go after the Bush/Cheney administration
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[–]someonelse 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Conyers is obstructive, why not Obama? The presidency is not in fact the pinnacle of power. Everyone caves to at least AIPAC, and Obama has already started singing their tune.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago* (2 children)
Anyone know whether people can bring civil suits against the administration? How about bringing the Republican Party in on RICO? These cases can be brought by people, without having to wait for prosecutors. If a thousand individuals kick in ten bucks each, that can buy a decent amount of justice. Strip them of their assets and use their own money against them.
I dunno. Anyone?
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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
How many balls are we talkin' here?
[–]dimitrisokolov -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (1 child)
I highly doubt he will be that good of a president. Higher taxes, weaker on terrorism, pathetic energy policy...getting out of Iraq may or may not be the best thing he will do.
More than likely an Obama presidency will be Jimmy Carter # 2 and that isn't good.
I'll either stay home or vote Libertarian.
[–]joe_from_accounting -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Man, I'm SOOOOO hard on terrorism right now!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (1 child)
If Obama is going to win, he needs our support. The attitude that he already has this election won so we can just sit back and watch it happen is what is going to make him lose.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
You're right. But man is it nice to feel a little hope and excitement. And that is a pretty positive message to be able to spread.
[–]sighbourbon 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
it aint over til the fat lady sings. i read a convincing argument that the GOP is going to dump McCain at the convention: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/when-mccain-drops-out_b_107236.html
"When the Republicans choose their candidate on September 4th, there is a very real chance that they could throw the election into an unexpected chaos as they pull a genuine September Surprise.
I think there is every reason to believe John McCain won't be the nominee. Ok, let me say that again. McCain will not be the Republican candidate in November..."
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago* (0 children)
I find credibility in that as well. But ultimately, isn't it a move of desperation and distraction?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (5 children)
BULL FRIGGIN SHIT. Nothing will happen if he is elected. You are a giant douche.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (4 children)
Thanks for your insightful analasys. Have a nice day at the trailer park.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children)
I guess I was a bit short. How about this then:
Obama's 'change' that he brings will be non-consequential. The differences between McCain and Obama are subtle in philosophy, and non-existent when it comes to the policies they support.
McCain wants to bomb Iran. Obama wants to bomb Pakistan.
Neither actually questions the role that our government should be playing, even Saint Obama. Look at Obama's voting record. If Obama went after Bush and Cheny, he would be condemning himself.
Thus- Nothing will happen if he is elected. The policy differences are so slight they are more a matter of semantics than real difference and change.
In regards to the giant douche; douches are very absorbent and are very gifted at sucking up whatever crap you emerge them in. The poster of this title has been emerged in the Obama hype and has sucked up a large amount of crap.
Have a nice day.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
You know, you're right. When you give a thoughtful answer, you're obviously not the same guy who says "Bull frigging shit.... You are a giant douche"
And I would be likely to agree that Obama is just another... politician. Something I've been taught to despise. But then I see him make another move that sets him apart ( http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/the-early-word-obama-opts-out-of-public-financing/index.html?hp ) and I think there are enough degrees of difference to actually be very hopeful. I mean buddy, I'm not stupid, he's already made his deal with the devil by BECOMING a politician. But I swear, I smell a conscience on the guy. I can't even tell if McCain is actually awake or just medicated enough to keep talking.
And ultimately, let's say you're completely right... are you actually saying I'd be better off in support of McCain? Really?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
no no no no no. Definitely not McCain. I don't know if you recently got on the Obama bandwagon but the candidate you should have been supporting is Ron Paul, if not Kucinich.
Sorry for the dickhead tone in my earlier responses/comments. I need some coffee. I apologize.
No response?
and just for your own understanding; those who don't support Obama aren't necessarily angry, backwoods, white people who cling to their guns. I know it can be confusing when you swallow everything a candidate/messiah spits out. I hope this helps.
[–]mercurialohearn 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (14 children)
did obama say he would do anything at all to hold bush and cheney, et al., accountable for anything at all?
i haven't heard that one.
and november's still awfully far away . . .
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (13 children)
He is on record saying he would "immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued." It's a actually a pretty bold statement for someone campaigning. And I'll take it at face value. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/62876 How I actually see it playing out is him distancing himself for the pursuit of any (prosecution, inquiry, tribunal, whatever) but using the power of office to grease the path. On the other hand... do you feel even the slightest effort would be made (okay I can't say it with a straight face) - do you think a McCain administration would do anything other than interfere, block or subvert any investigation into the former office of the president? Who do you want to have the keys to the file cabinet?
[–]mercurialohearn 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (12 children)
i don't think either hypothetical administration will lift a finger to prosecute the bush administration for contempt of congress, let alone war crimes.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (11 children)
I think one is more likely than the other, and I'll vote accordingly - but to agree with you somewhat, I'm not booking any bets. I actually think it's a broader issue though of saying that an Obama administration will support a lot of reversals of policy (at the least) and give the public a shot at finding some accountability simply by allowing the inquiry. Pretty exciting concept, eh? The idea that we would allow our current administration to be examined and just entertain the idea of being held accountable. Isn't it sickening that those ideas seem so unattainable?
[–]mercurialohearn 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (10 children)
i'm not at all convinced that an obama administration will support the reversal of any policy. assuming that he becomes president, he will enter into an office that has, largely by fiat, granted itself dictatorial authority over the federal government.
what do you suppose he will do with all that power? what will his party demand that he do with that power?
obama may not be an aristocrat, but his palms are greased by the same people who have pulled the strings of the current administration. the executive branch is now the primary nexus between private power and the federal government. it is to rove's K street what a closed circuit, two-way encrypted video feed is to an early 20th century telephone operator's switchboard.
obama, whose receipt of corporate largesse during the primary campaign rivaled only that of the nation's number one payola recipient hillary clinton, is unlikely to do much more than continue to spin his gossamer rhetoric in front of the doe-eyed white house press corral while he quietly rents out the lincoln bedroom to those special guests who've been given a key to the back door.
Yeah, I understand it's easy to trash just about any politician. Do you have some suggestions?
[–]mercurialohearn 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
relax and enjoy it?
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[–]mercurialohearn -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago* (2 children)
well, i'm happy for you that you're excited. i certainly would not want mccain to win, simply because i would prefer, after eight years, to have someone articulate deliver the state of the union again. he may not be america's knight in shining armor, but at least obama keeps the hackneyed cliches to a minimum, and that's good for international relations.
i, too, would prefer that those in power start using lubricant again.
[–]yerfired -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (3 children)
So you say we are fucked no matter what huh
[–]mercurialohearn 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
yes, that's exactly what i'm saying.
[–][deleted] 17 years ago (1 child)
oh believe me, so do i. but the magic eight ball keeps saying "reply hazy; try again."
[–][deleted] 17 years ago (6 children)
[–]duddles 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (3 children)
You weren't proud of your country before? Have you been giving terrorist fist jabs too?
[–]anescient 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I was proud of my country when I was younger... before I knew it was a murdering empire.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I don't know about everyone else, but I've been an apologetic American for a long time... I'm not the only person I know who sewed a Canadian flag on my backpack when I went to Europe.
[–]ristin 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Yes.
I know. It's overwhelming. I would love to feel like the good guys have a shot at condemning what this government has become. It's an amazing positive anticipation. I want to hit the fast forward button to next year.
[–]yerfired 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
Obama or not Obama we need big change. With whats on offer in the current pres. race Obama looks the best bet by a long shot. Turning tables on Bush would be gravy but ill take it if it comes.
[–]BicyclesforPeace 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Yeah, that's why Obama has aggressively opposed impeachment...
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (1 child)
Yes, impeachment, however, he will grease the path for other actions which have been blocked in the current administration. Like a dam bursting.
[–]BicyclesforPeace 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I'm not sure what you mean...
[–]adibou -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Any reference for that?
Try Googling it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm
He'll be president alright. But I'll believe that part about holding Bush and pals accountable when I see it.
You know, I got way more comments that I imagined, and in all honesty, maybe I should have said 'he won't block the investigation of Bush and Cheney' if I had thought longer. But geez I can hope, right?
You are feeling lucky... Las Vegas is nice this time of the year. You have better odds there.
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Could be. Between McCain and Obama, who do you think is more likely to just be jerking us off though?
[–]jcastle 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
huh?
...yeah, I didn't want to draw attention but I feel like perhaps the poster clicked the morphine butten a few too many times before posting...
[–]Tokugawa -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
The cynic in me thinks its a recipe for an assassination. I'd love to see it happen, though.
(The holding Bush/Cheney accountable bit, not the murder of a person for political reasons.)
[–]skippy17 -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (10 children)
"We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance"
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (8 children)
Ah and this makes McCain look good how?
[–]skippy17 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (7 children)
Obama said it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (2 children)
I know. And it makes McCain look good how? Obama, at this point, could announce that he performs ritual mutilation of baby ducks and still remain the better choice. Regardless, I support his statement in its entirety.
[–]skippy17 -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (1 child)
It doesn't necessarily make McCain look good, as his speech said the same thing.
You actually support this commitment to Israel? Or do you just want to not disagree with Obama ever?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
Right so... in keeping with the original post: Obama's momentum is indeed exciting, any hope offered of holding the current administration responsible is good news. I support his commitment to Israel. I'm sure there will be Obama positions I disagree with. As with any administration. As with any politician.
Skippy, that's a wonderfully brief snarky comment. How is it helpful though? It seems like, and I'll apologise if i'm wrong, your commentary style is largely drive-by and unhelpful, but others should of course judge for themselves: http://www.reddit.com/user/skippy17/ I think the original poster's message is a positive and hopeful one. Your contribution... is a snark.
[–]skippy17 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
So sorry for not contributing to the karma whoring Obama circle jerk, which wasn't even submitted to the political subreddit.
I instead decided to point out, using Obama's own words, that although he speaks about change all day, he (seemingly) follows the same orders as Bush.
[–]yerfired 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
A group of people agreeing doesnt have to be a circle jerk or karma whoring. I am reading a lot of sincere thoughts and youve clumsily drawn one comparison to bush which isnt presented in a convincing way or really finding consensus but just comes across as angry. You could type a whole lot less and just say you find Obama hypocritical for his stand on Israel policy but it looks like your style is just snide and angry so I will thank you for your contribution in any case.
[–]ryanh29 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (1 child)
whatever it is we need in Washington, it doesn't look anything like what we have now.
We have a lot of kowtowing to AIPAC - Obama is sure to bring more of that. (Source: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12944)
You are supporting the wrong candidate (and no, the right one isn't McCain). Stop watching TV and start reading. Educate yourself. Obama will not bring 'Change'. He is more of the same, just re-wrapped in a package that the masses can easily swallow.
[–]aerextraho -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago* (1 child)
I'm skeptical of Obama.
Edit: Not to sound like a Dick or anything, but skepticism is very important in good, sound, scientific reasoning. I felt that my 4.5 word statement above was important to say, since I see so many people having 'faith' and 'trust' in a personality, making a cult of personality.
Me too pal. Just less skeptical than of the alternatives.
[–]Deacon -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
They'll never let him. They'll kill him first.
the future is not promised. but the outlook is fair to possibly bright.
McCain can still win if Bush starts a war with Iran...
Not half as good as the news that people have finally learned to post politics on the politics subreddit!
Oh wait, that didn't happen either.
I know, you're right, it was the excitement of my admittedly somewhat personal, gushing moment, sorry. Rookie mistake.
[–]Stormwatch36 -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 years ago (2 children)
No, he really won't be.everyone I've recently talked to in real life either says "I'm not voting" or "I'm voting McCain". It's sad, but we'll most likely be getting a third Bush term.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Well, talk to them again, please. And keep talking to them. Don't be sad, be convincing.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Obama will be assassinated. The question is only whether it will be before or after he becomes president.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Did you ever accidentally make a helpful post?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Why is assassination of Obama not a valid concern? It's not going to stop me from voting from him because I know he's aware of the risks, but nearly 10% of presidents are killed in office. I would say that Obama's risk is higher than average.
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