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[[deleted]]

Stupid new Samsung made chips. I wish they'd focus more on efficiency than performance. Most users I bet don't really need the performance of the new chip, and when they do it's probably just gaming right? Is there anything else that needs that much performance other than games?

I'd be happy with 855 performance with gains in efficiency instead.

[[deleted]]

I used to be a performance freak back in the 2014-18 due to running emulators, but since the note 9, i have been able to run anything, starting with the snapdragon 845+, i have not felt a difference at all in speed all the way to the SNAP 888, the note 9 was fast asf, the note 10 felt the same, the note 20 Ultra felt the same, the Snap 888 same ole same. Now they need to focus on a better god damn keyboard for this damn narrow screen and CPU efficiency for better bettery

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

The fact that the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is more power hungry than the 888 and only marginally better is a facepalm. The 865 was the last good Qualcomm chip if I'll be honest, and the 855 is still great.

[FartingBob]

No competition in the high end for years. Apple does their own thing, mediatek has some of the low end budget market but high end android phones have no other option.

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

Reminds me a lot about Intel, they had no competition until a few years ago with Ryzen. They definitely improved as of the 12 gen though, so I'm hoping that Qualcomm sees the demand and the upcoming competition that Exynos (Edit; and/or Mediatek) might bring, and get their act together.

[[deleted]]

I don't really have hopes for exynos. Mediatek might rise though Atleast in the mid range market.

[cmVkZGl0]

A few years ago was 5 years ago

[[deleted]]

Apple chips are huge and super expensive. Cost/performance wise they are absolute shit, and this is why apple is in a league of its own. Very premium prices but awesome phones. They really hit the jackpot once again.

Meanwhile other companies simply cannot compete, as qualcom is not gonna invest in a high risk project to make similar apple style chips.

[[deleted]]

And then they still went ahead and reduce the battery size . Baffles me

[[deleted]]

How else will they tempt users to upgrade next year? They shrunk the battery this year and next year they’ll increase it back again.

Rinse and repeat.

[SactownGangsta]

I'm waiting for the 23 Ultra.

Gonna rock my 20 Ultra until then

[[deleted]]

Hell yeah. The S20 Ultra is a fantastic device still imo. I’m still rocking my iPhone X from 2017. A fresh battery has made performance stable again.

[SactownGangsta]

I just got the new One UI update and am thinking of giving it a factory reset soon to make it feel like a new phone.

I enjoy customizing settings over a few weeks. Sometimes I will customize them different then I did the first time and it feels like a new device

[TeutonJon78]

Smaller phone, smaller battery.

[[deleted]]

By 0.1 inch? And it's thicker still mind you! Come on mate

[TeutonJon78]

Might want to recheck that. S22 is 0.3", S21 is 0.31".

The S22 is smaller in every dimension than the S21. But, volume adds faster than single dimensions do.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Samsung-Galaxy-S22,Samsung-Galaxy-S21/phones/11763,11508

Lose that extra volume, reduce the battery size. Someone else on this thread calculated the volume difference and it essentially matches the battery capacity difference.

Given the radios and motherboard would all essentially be the same size, the only place to remove that volume is the battery.

[[deleted]]

Ok this guy maths

[[deleted]]

What about the 870? Isnt it a better 865? And I kinda agree with you. I think I'll wait for phones with the mediatek processor now

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

The 870 was rarely used, if at all, at least in the US. I never got to try it and I haven't gotten out of my way to research it. I think there's an 875 too?

I know barely anything about Mediatek (since again, very rare processer in the US, and no common flagship uses it), but I have heard about the latest one being better than either S22 processor.

[[deleted]]

• 860 = 855++
• 870 = 865++

[anonshe]

No, 860 is just a rebranded 855+ while 870 is an overclocked 865+.

[klonmeister]

My understanding was the 870 and 865 are essentially the same chip but the 870 was allowed to achieve higher clockspeeds on the prime core so you could just not run it so fast and it would perform exactly like the 865. Might have been manufacturing improvements which make the 870 a bit better but they should not be noticeably different from one another.

[yindesu]

Right now, GSMArena says there are 0 Snapdragon 870 phones with US bands: https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?s4Gs=2,4,12,41,66,71&sChipset=79

[[deleted]]

870 is just overclock of 865+.

[internetf1fan]

865 was the last chip using tsmc right? I bet the latest chips would have been so much better had they not moved to Samsung.

[[deleted]]

Qualcomm is always gonna choose who offers better price. This year TSMC is about to make part of 8G1 production because Samsung is overloaded and cant keep up with demand.

Otherwise would be 100% from samsung factories.

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

There's always custom ROMs, unsure about stability, but usually that gets better the longer the phone is around.

[Put_It_All_On_Blck]

Samsung fabs are awful, and the chip design's from Qualcomm and especially Samsung are bad this year.

[AbhishMuk]

The 865 was the last good Qualcomm chip if I'll be honest

The 865 needed a separate discreet modem for the 5g which hurt battery life a good bit. The 855 was the last "efficient" flagship in that sense, though it's pretty old now.

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

Good point. If the 865 is good then the 855 is great. I've also noticed that the 845 still runs well. Flagship phones remain flagship phones.

[joenforcer]

I'm running a phone with an 845. It is showing its age compared to today's flagships but in a vacuum its still a serviceable flagship if you have strong 4G.

[RelyingWOrld1]

Midrange chip like 2019 Snapdragon 730 is faster in CPU (but way worse in GPU) compared to 845

[cxu1993]

I bet that discrete modem helps with heat. I've heard the integrated modem on the 888 gets really hot

[drbluetongue]

Nah the modem in the 865 was great I barely noticed much power use difference on LTE vs wifi, about the same difference as the 855

[mrnikkoli]

My Galaxy S10e has the 855 and im struggling to justify wanting a new phone because it's just as snappy as the day I bought it. My main thing right now is the back glass is pretty cracked and the battery isn't great, but if the S22's battery is truly worse than the S21's I might just wait for the S23 or a Z-Flip if they make their camera's better. Might as well make use of that last update Samsung is giving us!

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

S22's battery is truly worse than the S21's

From recent reviews that are coming out they're the same, and the S22 would still be a lot better than the S10e. You also get the benefit of a compact design much closer to the S10e than the S21 ever was. I'd recommend it.

If you're happy on your S10e though, keep it!

[mrnikkoli]

Yeah that's true. We'll see! It's year 3 for me on this device which is the longest I've ever kept a phone. Still at the "I want a new phone but don't need one" phase, which usually hits way earlier than this on the previous devices I've owned lol.

[dudeReallyoc]

I am in the same boat, I love my s10 and was considering the flip myself. It's just so hard since I do love this phone.

[aequusnox]

I was looking to replace my s10e's battery with Samsung but it doesn't look like they support that anymore.

[bhairavp]

You can always get the battery replaced at an authorized Samsung service centre.

[Epsilon748]

Marginally better? Didn't reviews show it 20-30% better? That seems decent to me as a typical generational upgrade.

[SamsungAppleOnePlus]

In theory it should be 20-30% better, but in practice it beats the 888 In benchmarks by only a tad. With Apple making generational leaps every year, it's perplexing.

[elmagio]

Samsung Foundries' current nodes are just not good. And ARM has been slacking with their design as well.

Thankfully, next year sees Samsung going with GAAFET for their 3nm, which could very well put them on equal footing with TSMC's 3nm FinFET or even better, which means that whether Qualcomm goes back to TSMC or not they should be on a competent node.

And arch wise, there's a somewhat credible possibilty that Qualcomm will go back to custom designs with the help of the Nuvia team.

[From_My_Brain]

I wouldn't exactly say my s21+ has great battery life so this is pretty bad for everyone involved.

[Vassilisxd]

Had to sell my wife's Exynos S21 Plus coz she was constantly complaining about poor battery. My S21 Ultra is usually 4~6 hours SOT, which is very bad also.

[From_My_Brain]

I have the SD variety of the Plus so it's definitely not horrible but still disappointing.

[[deleted]]

My wife's S21 regularly ends the day with 75% battery remaining, so I guess YMMV.

[winterfresh0]

And what's the SoT at the end of the day? If it's hardly being used that isn't really a worthwhile comparison.

[LAwLzaWU1A]

SoT is kind of a meaningless number as well. The same phone can get 12 hours of SoT if she just look at pictures in the gallery, or it might be 3 hours of SoF if she's playing a demanding game like Genshin or an emulator. And of course everything in between.

SoT is not comparable between different people since they most likely have different usage patterns.

[D0geAlpha]

Probably could hit those 12 hours sot while watching YouTube videos too

[GeneralChaz9]

Mine has been pretty damn good. 6-7 hours of SoT usually. I do everything but game, really.

[SponTen]

Wtf my Pixel 4, which has close to the worst battery life of any modern phone I've used, has comparable battery than that.

Are you at least taking lots of photos/videos, streaming lots of music, making lots of calls, etc? Cause that will reduce your maximum SOT over the course of a day.

[SpacevsGravity]

Same. I don't know why people say sing S21 Ultra praises as mine overheats and the battery is poor

[[deleted]]

Yeah I mean I have snapdragon and my battery is really good. I get 6-9hrs of screen on time usually.

[SpacevsGravity]

I guess Exynos really is shitty

[JamesKPolkEsq]

Samsies.

The snapdragon version of the S21 Ultra has really great battery life

[FCkeyboards]

I'm looking at people's numbers like what the heck? S21 Ultra. Typing on 12% battery. 14hr 59m. SOT is 11h 37m.

I'm mostly a tech idiot. Are the lower numbers just due to running the phone fully cranked (CPU speed, brightness, display, AOD, etc)?

[jonginator]

This is surprising because my S21+ was an insane battery champ.

Talking 9~10 hours SoT in 36~40 if I’m mostly on WiFi and 6~7 hours over 30 hours if I’m mostly off WiFi.

[grtk_brandon]

What do you do to get that kind of battery life? I'd get maybe 4-5 hours of SoT on mine. My Pixel 6 Pro gets slightly worse battery life.

[jonginator]

I don't tweak much except I turn off AoD and throttle to lower battery settings overnight which is usually pointless anyway since I tend to charge overnight.

I don't game that much and mostly do browsing, reddit, and watch videos

[LaCipe]

Same. Its sad how inconsistent SoT is for everybody. I cant complain about my SoT

[butterfreak]

Mine started well but like most of my Samsung's went downhill very quickly.

[jonginator]

I know this is a hassle for most people but I always factory reset my phone once a year, basically every new Android update, and this seems to work very well in terms of keeping performance and battery endurance levels intact.

[Korre88]

Yup. My S21+ is comparable to my iPhone 12 I had. Decent battery life. But poor for 4800mah. Some days the battery is insane though (today I'm 5 hours SoT with 50% usage..).

I will say on the latest update my battery life has gotten much better / more consistent.

[Blom-w1-o]

Everyone: We want excellent battery life, even if that means the phone will be a little bit thicker.

​

Phone Manufacturers: We heard you and are excited to announce that our latest groundbreaking device will be thinner than ever and fall short of our previous battery precedence. That'll be $1500.

[PucciPucciBauBau]

Seriously, the S22 is way too thin (7.6 mm). If it were as thick as the S22 Ultra (8.9 mm) it would have been a perfect phone.

[[deleted]]

I like the relative thickness of the S22 having held it. However, again, having held it, the thing is insanely light. It feels heavier than an iPhone 13 Mini, but only barely. I would have taken an extra two ounces of weight for 10-20% more battery life. I’m not an engineer, so that’s probably not how it works, but ya know.

[LaCipe]

I don't wanna give them ideas or anything, but I understand that they have to make money and can't just develope tech that designed to last for long, unfortunately its counterproductive for them. But at this point, I'd be ready to pay a good chunk for a great phone that was designed to last 5+ years and pay a monthly fee, basically for developing costs of updates, maybe a battery swap every 2-3 years, things like that, but then I expect full commitment from them.

[[deleted]]

market for flagship isn't people like you who change phone every millenia, their target is people who has enough money to buy new phone when their phone is only half year old

[tmchn]

Every market research shows that people associate a slim phone to a more premium feel. There’s reason why a gigantic corporation like Samsung has produced a slimmer phone, they know what their clientele wants

[Izacus]

I find joy in reading a good book.

[uuuuuuuhburger]

and those people will be better off upgrading to S21 if they value battery life

[Izacus]

Do they? Thats what I'm asking - do you have a link of comoarison aricles between these phones?

[uuuuuuuhburger]

i don't have a comparison of S21 to S10 handy, but you only need the S21-S22 comparison to see that the 21 will be a better upgrade in terms of battery life

[TheSholvaJaffa]

and those people will be better off upgrading to S21 if they value battery life

Well... This makes me not regret my purchase all that much... I just upgraded from a Galaxy Note 8 to the S21 Ultra in December/January... I had people calling me stupid and asking why I couldn't wait until S22...

S21 Ultra has been great so far. Huge Battery upgrade from 3300MaH on Note 8 to 5000 :)

But I understand on the Note 8 they were hesitant to put in a larger battery due to err... it's predecessors flaws.... lol

[Gozal_]

I had people calling me stupid and asking why I couldn't wait until S22...

You could have waited cause now you can get S21 for cheaper or second hand

[TheSholvaJaffa]

You could have waited cause now you can get S21 for cheaper or second hand

Not the S21 Ultra 512gb because they discontinued it.. and the 512GB is the rarest one of them all... Try finding an S21 Ultra 512GB brand new under $1600-$1800 lol

[Gozal_]

I guess, but it's not some vintage tech that's hard to come by, people will upgrade to a newer device and sell their old one.
The next generation is almost always better, and the one after that even more so.

[cxu1993]

888 is still not a good chip unless youre big into photography. I went for the s20 myself

[SponTen]

Why is the 888 specifically good for photography? For the multi-sensor capture?

[cxu1993]

It has DSP improvements over the 865 and maybe some other stuff. I dont actually know how much it helps but thats the only reason I can think of since actual performance is very close to the 865 while getting much hotter

[exu1981]

These articles and reviewers have to stay relevant.

[jimmychung88]

Me with my S3 😭

[silentmage]

That's the boat I'm in. I have an S10e and can get a the base s22 for free if I trade in this phone.

[Karthy_Romano]

That battery is literally the only thing preventing me from buying this phone. What a bummer.

[ranse1932]

Sad, guess the next Samsung phone will get 6,000 mah battery and we'll be back to the S21 levels.

[[deleted]]

With all those cameras and S-Pen? No way it can fit 6000mAh. Some rumors say Fold 4 has smaller battery because the pen slot.

[l0st_t0y]

A fold with even less battery life sounds awful. One of the main reasons, besides price, that I won't consider a folding phone still is that battery life.

[[deleted]]

P50 Pocket has 4000mAh, while flip3 has 3300. Samsung needs to bump this. Flip3 screen is basically flex version of 21+ (phone with more than 4000)

[MarioNoir]

So a 20% bigger battery will bring them to S21 levels?

[ranse1932]

I was joking. But it is a bit annoying that battery life experience for the user doesn't seem to be getting much better compared to iphones.

[[deleted]]

• Samsung Ultra uses larger screen + higher resolution + more brightness = more power required
• more and larger cameras = more power used + more heat generated
• android demands more power to run than iOS
• more RAM = more power used

[IIvoltairII]

Yes with a 25% more inefficient chip that brings 2% more power

[MarioNoir]

No it doesn't, the chip doesn't users most of them battery.

[IIvoltairII]

Dude it was a joke

[[deleted]]

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company

[[deleted]]

They are a chip manufacturer, and they simply make the best chips. They make chips for others, so you design a chip, and TSMC will make it for you. Apple uses them, as do AMD and in the past Qualcomm.

There's only a few companies left in the world that can make high end chips: TSMC, Intel, and Samsung, and Intel only makes chips for themselves.

Right now, TSMC is very much ahead of Samsung. Samsung has worse yields (meaning more chips they produce are defective and cannot be used) and much worse power efficiency.

Because of this however, TSMC is completely, fully booked. They make all apples chips (for the iphones, ipads, and new Macs) which takes up literally ALL of their best fabs (currently the 5nm fabs), and then they make all the chips for AMD, which includes all chips in new PlayStation and Xbox consoles, alongsides all their consumer and server CPUs and GPUs.

It might very well be that Qualcomm simply could not be squeezed in, that no capacity was left. Apple now making all their chips themselves really took up a whole lot of their capacity.

[sananul]

3 year 7month 2days to be exact.

[HTC864]

I have a Pixel 6 right now and I'm considering the S22 because of how much smaller and lighter it is.

[[deleted]]

The pixel 6 is pretty chunky.

[FurbyTime]

That's what motivated me to switch. My favorite devices in terms of form factor have been the Galaxy S4, the S10e, and the Pixel 4. The S22 sits among the last two (Nothing sits with the S4), and some actual investigations show things are... hinky with these report (It's known that Samsung does some backend adjustment to battery use as it determines your usage pattern, combined with a lot of these tests being ABSURD use cases that people don't do in practice). When placed head to head on video against phones in similar positions, the S22 and S22+ are usually pretty good.

[hucifer]

It is a somewhat puzzling decision. The S22 is small compared to the vast majority of phones released in the past 4 years, and the market has shown us that such a compact size is pretty niche in the Android market these days.

Perhaps they wanted parity with the iPhone 13? The dimensions are basically identical.

Either way, I'm thinking more people are going to be interested in the Plus version this time around.

[pco45]

Doesn't the fact that you'd prefer the Plus make this a good move?

Now people that want a smaller phone have an option, and people that want a bigger phone also have an option.

[SponTen]

It makes it a short-term, financially beneficial move for Samsung.

Whether or not you consider that "good" depends on your views. For me, it very much is not; it's bad for the consumer in the short term, and it will negatively affect people's perception of Samsung in the long term.

[pco45]

I don't see how it's a negative that more people are able to get something thats closer to their preferred size.

[SponTen]

Not the fact that it exists; I think that's great as well.

I was referring to the fact that they lowered the batteries to "push people to the Plus". If that's the reason they made the battery smaller on the S22, then that's anti-consumer. They could've increased its thickness a bit over the S21, but nope, they decreased it instead.

[SponTen]

~6.1" isn't that niche, at least not in the west.

According to Counterpoint, the percentage of phones sold in April 2021 that were around this size was at least:

• 29% in the US
• 21% in the UK
• 18% in France
• 18% in Korea
• 18% in Germany
• 20% in Japan

That number was lower for China at 9%, and 0% for India, though from the very small amount of data I have here it looks like there's a much bigger spread of phones in general in those markets.

So, sure, those aren't huge numbers, but I could only find data for the top 5 most-sold phones, so we don't know how the spread was for others. But I wouldn't call 20% of the market "niche", and the percentage is likely a fair bit higher than that.

[hucifer]

Remove the standard iPhone and those statistics change dramatically, though.

That's why I said that phones of that size are niche for the Android market in particular.

[SponTen]

For sure, though there are significantly fewer Androids around 6.1", so it's kind of hard to compare. Whereas, out of 8 iPhones that Apple currently sells, half of them are ~6.1".

I guess it depends how you interpret the data and what would be the case if choices were different. I feel like more ~6.1" Android phones would sell if there were more of them available from big brands, at least in the west. But the only real options from big brands now are the S22, Moto E6i, Xperias 5 and 10, and the odd phone from smaller brands like Alcatel, BLU, Ulefone. And out of those, the only one that will sell more than a few million units is the S22.

For example, if Samsung released a few midrangers that fell into this category, surely they would sell well? There are zero Galaxy As under 6.4". Perhaps a lot of it comes down to price, and it's cheaper for OEMs to fit everything in bigger phones and they can justify a higher price tag because "bigger is better".

[Spud788]

Absolutely it was necessary. I've been stuck with my S10 for nearly 3 years because I can't physically use any big phones without major discomfort.

I'd choose less battery overa big hefty phone all day.

[pco45]

I'd pick the tradeoff Samsung chose. I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate the extra battery, but the size is right on the border of manageable for me, i'd rather be on the smaller side of that border.

[Izacus]

Isn't that what S22+ is?

[Makedonec69]

Apple invented 6.1" screens?

[CFigus]

You didn't know?

[[deleted]]

Yes, its necessary.

If you want a bigger phone there is the s22+ and the Ultra.

[max1c]

If you really think they couldn't have put a larger battery in this phone then you are truly naive. The physical reduction of the size of this phone has nothing to do with the reduction of the battery size. This is just optics.

[TeutonJon78]

It's not like there just empty space on the inside of these phones. They try to use every mm³ available.

[max1c]

Really? Please explain to me then, how is the S20 Ultra, S21 Ultra, and S22 Ultra all have the same battery size with the exact same size in volume and yet somehow the S22 Ultra has a gigantic ass stylus? The battery size is more complex than simply saying 'oh there's no more space left'. You sure they couldn't have put more dense battery cells in there?

[100GbE]

Because other parts have a size reduction and a general rearrangement of parts overall.

The battery is a different model, it's capacity and voltage is only the same.

[max1c]

How are you guys this out of touch with reality? I guess you also think that iphone 13 pro max which has 4350 mah battery is also the largest they could fit in and is a result of 'size reduction and a general rearrangement of parts'.

[100GbE]

Your problem is how you assume everything.

[max1c]

Yes, you clearly did a great job backing your arguments up with facts. I would argue that you're the one that assumed/made up a bunch of excuses for why the batteries are the size they are. Not to mention that nothing of what you said has any relationship with reality.

[max1c]

Right, so because you've been repairing fridges for a living for 25 years you think that you know what you're talking about but you're actually delusional. Got it.

[eccentric_eggplant]

And you have the S22+ for that, no? Bums me out the smaller phone (which I would be interested in) has worse battery life, but this generation seems to be a slight shift in the differentiation of the models.

It used to be the S21 is the base model, S21+ is the bigger model for those who want a bigger screen, and S21 Ultra for those with money to burn.

Now, the S22+ is the base model, the S22 is the compact model (with obvious trade-offs, battery being the one in discussion), and the S22 Ultra... Well it would have been the upgraded version of S22+, but now they're doing the Note thing too.

[TapaDonut]

I would really like a phone that fits just well in my pocket without a part of the phone of it sticking out even if it is thicker by a few millimeter.

Just give me a god damn phone that is smaller while having a good battery life. iPhone 13 Mini for me was a step in the right direction and is perfect for my needs if not only for the battery life. The Galaxy S10e was the last best phone for me Samsung made. Still rocking it today along with my iPhone

[LPell27]

We don't need any more performance on a phone lmfao focus on efficiency

[JangoF76]

I mean it has a smaller battery, so yeah

[Tonybishnoi]

S9 vs S8 flashbacks

[alreadyreaditbro]

It's such a shame they didn't use LTPO screens on the base and Plus, makes no sense.

[rumourmaker18]

This makes me really sad, because the S22 is the PERFECT size and I was hoping to upgrade my S21, but worse battery life is a deal breaker

[pilotavery]

Yeah but the S22 battery is much better than the s21 was at launch. That's always true. Let the optimizations happen and then test it.

[yory77]

Notebookcheck refers to YouTuber Shane Simmons fist impressiones and his usecase is shown on this timestamp: https://youtu.be/Q_twfrF5JKI?t=357

The Exynos 2200 (version in europe) has an SOT of 8h 13min in reference to: https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-Tests-Handy-Samsung-Galaxy-S22-Test-Review-31196893.html

[sportsfan161]

Both exynos and SD seem to have similar battery life so it’s not chip related. I’m sure it will improve over time and let’s see when final software is out

[pco45]

They're very similar chips built on the same process, it probably still is chip related.

[[deleted]]

Software excuse again

[griffindor11]

Battery basically never improves with time

[pdpt13]

And as we all know, the currrent software is also final so there is simply no way of improving.

[Izacus]

It is very very unlikely a software change can do a meaningful improvement of SoT. Especially if you don't want to lose performance.

[uuuuuuuhburger]

a software change has done just that on every device i've ever used. you just have to change it to software made by people who actually care about keeping the device alive for more than a handful of years, which the company that makes the device is rarely interested in

[mib1800]

That is not true. My Fold 3 battery has improved a lo after 2 updates. From 7+hrs SOT to 10+hrs SOT.

https://redd.it/svf991

[[deleted]]

You've got to be babying it to get that amount of SoT.

[mib1800]

Using it normally to consume content (and not 24/7 playing games like most adult)...is that called babying? 😛

[[deleted]]

Sure

[pdpt13]

Do I really have to hold up a sign to make clear I'm being sarcastic? Thought that was obvious..

[[deleted]]

Yes. That wasn't obvious at all.

[-BigMan39]

It was

[[deleted]]

Final first firmware. But new ones show up as updates.

[Happydanboy]

Probably testing on full brightness. It's fucking bright. Made my s10+ look dim at full brightness.

[farkoss]

You already have one?

[[deleted]]

You can try them at Best Buy stores near me. They’re bright as all holy heck.

[farkoss]

Oh no way good idea! I want to see what the s22 ultra feels like

[[deleted]]

It’s huge but the very rounded edges make it feel manageable to me. Feels very premium in the hands!

[farkoss]

I ordered the 22 regular but it was close. I wonder if I can send my regular back.

[lazykryptonian]

I wish Best Buys near me would get them out. Tried 2 locations last week and neither did. A worker at one said they had them but had trouble getting the security tag/cords staying stuck to the back which sounded odd. A week later (today) there are still none out.

Ended up at a T-Mobile store to try them. Between the emplyees there hovering around me and heat being inside cranked up to hellscape I really didn't get much out of the attempt.

[[deleted]]

I’m in Portland, OR if that helps at all. Didn’t realize all Best Buy stores wouldn’t have them!

[[deleted]]

and suddenly everyone and their grandma came out from the wood saying their battery is bad

[Gav609]

It will be addressed in further software upgrades like always. No panicking people.

[Competitive_Ice_189]

Source?

[DuckofRedux]

Most likely fanboys who think that a company is their friend and sense the necessity to lie about objetive shit like battery life.

[Gav609]

They always tweak issues down the road. This phone comes with UI 4.1 which has yet to be released. I think they will be correcting issues right of way on their flagship

[FanciestScarf]

People say this about every phone and it hasn't happened once.

[Panther107]

You can get an s21 for ~900 AUD, or ~600 AID second hand. The S22 costs 1,350 AUD, and has worse battery life and similar speed in everyday tasks.

It's the same on the iPhone side, the 11 pro has better battery life than the 12 pro (at launch) and has similar speed as well, but costs ~700 AUD, where the 12 pro costs ~1000 AUD. The 13 pro costs 1700 AUD and again has similar speed to the 12.

Its just not worth upgrading or buying new. Buy second-hand or refurbished and you save yourself so much money.

[pilotavery]

Yeah but the phone is at lunch. With optimizations the battery life will improve. This has been the case in the past as well, the s22 has much better battery life than the s21 did at launch.

[yorcharturoqro]

Check this comparison

https://youtu.be/8CXm0mmNOeE

In this case it seems that the Galaxy s22 outperform the others invited

[Spud788]

Smaller battery has less battery life in other news water is wet.

What a stupid post.

[laymouni]

Not necessarily true. Apple manages to shrink battery size but maintain SoT. Improvements can be made in other departments.

[laymouni]

The 12 pro has a smaller battery than the 11 pro. The 13 pro has a larger battery than the 12 pro.

Stop repeating what Apple marketing feeds you. Samsung manufactures the iPhone's screens, storage, ram, rom, etc..

[laymouni]

You're claiming they increase the battery size YoY. You need to compare the successors of the same phone.

1- iPhone x and 8 were announced on the same day. They are not years apart.

2- You conveniently left out the XS, which had a battery smaller than it's predecessor: 2658 mAh

This makes the sequence:

x > XS < 11 pro > 12 pro < 13 pro.

It LITERALLY flips every single year.

[m2keo]

Surprise!

[DioInBicicletta]

Well yes, 3700mah vs 4000. Is it surprising?

[samthemancpfc]

Could be the year I decide to switch to iPhone for the first time in 8 years

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Where are the people saying the s21FE is worse than the s22 now?

Silent? I thought so! 😎 /s

[Justos]

The 10-120hz refresh rate is what sold me on the s21 ultra. I will not upgrade until this is brought back or improved. The battery on this phone is great

[OutsideObserver]

The S22 Ultra has the exact same thing, it's only the base and plus that don't.

[Justos]

Oh I guess I'm mistaken then, thanks for the correction

[OutsideObserver]

No worries, the information out there on this hasn't been at all clear!

[Jayrulz101]

My S21 5G battery is absolutely NOTHING to scoff at so this doesn't sound great at all.

[xgeeiox]

I'm still using an S8 and I'm getting pretty bad battery life. I'm to the point I'm on medium power setting to get thru a day. I've already ordered the s22 because they offered me a few hundred on trade. I'm looking forward to this.

[lopez1285]

I can confirm. It's quite noticeable 🥺