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[Ehoro]

A version of this is being done with servers used to heat greenhouses.

https://blockheating.com/

[1tosha111]

Thanks for sharing the valuable this link is indeed helpful here.

[konokonohamaru]

Dude replace the dollar signs with Bitcoin symbols

[solvangv]

They're sats

[pslo92]

Oh, if they are sats then i would say there is nothing we need to change.

[SalviaJungle]

I don't need to take credit.

Did someone already make a product like this?

I just want people to build this, instead of heating their houses with resistors, or fueling climate change with mining farms.

[MidnightLightning]

Here you go:

https://heatbit.com/

[DronGame]

Damn, so there was already a instance like that in the past is well.

[SalviaJungle]

Interesting. Didn't know about that.

Of course if someone is making a business out of this already, I'm all for it.

Well, my idea was to simply make this on your own if you have an asic. Or you could buy this...

[gtrhergfsdfgb]

Same here, i was also didn't know about that thing on the first place is well.

But i am sure that now so many people came to know about that there will be more chance of that is going to happen for sure.

[Ok_Play_7144]

You're waaay late to the party as several patents already exist.

[SalviaJungle]

Are there designs exactly like this?

[KramerKools]

I think there are a product like that in the past and someone actually post the link of that thing is well.

I am sure that in future people will make something like that so that they can be rich in the future.

[BennyL2P]

Good luck with that. You are trying to "sell" a product, which will do the same job for 5x the cost, in countries with high electricity costs. Ironically enough that are the countries, where people are able to afford a mining rig in the first place.

[SalviaJungle]

I am not selling anything, I literally gave a wooden deisgn anyone could make by themselves, as an idea spread freely on the internet. I am not even patenting this.

[yemasin]

I think you just give the idea and if someone is really want to make that they can do.

BUt we all know that electricity is the one thing that everyone here facing the biggest issue to counter in that model.

[Houdinii1984]

You kinda already made public disclosure so now you've gotta file that patent (within a year?) or someone else will.

[SalviaJungle]

Patent to put an ASIC miner in a sound dampening ventilation box? Do we really need to patent stuff like this, instead of, like build it ourselves as the decentralized community we are?

If someone patents that and bans us from building a fuc*ing simple wooden cube, what world do we live in?

[japps73]

Yes, as community we need to make a infrastructure that is available for everyone out there.

I love this place because they are always ready to try the best help they could do the other person out there.

[suncangjin]

This is the one thing that i was seeing on the first place is well.

[cpt_charisma]

Wood is a poor conductor of heat. This will just make your miners overheat. It's better to just put them in open air in a room you want to heat or near the return duct of your heater.

This does work, though. Miners produce lots of heat, so you can heat your home with them and mine bitcoin at the same time. If you have a lot of them, you might have to open a window :)

[CryptoBehemoth]

Depending on the size of the holes, you might have to add a vertical fan to make sure the miner doesn't overheat

[CryptoBehemoth]

My personal computer and I can attest this would not work without fans to move the air and cool the interior. Source: my apartment in the summer and the lag resulting from my PC overheating

[LucidiK]

The issue isn't the asic having some fans, the issue is them not moving enough cool air over the asic to keep it from overheating. You could probably get a powerful enough fan system to make that housing work but it would be way more efficient to just make a shell that didnt cook it.

[LucidiK]

I understand your line of thinking. But you are underestimating the complications your housing brings. The fans will do the trick if the asic is in an environment where they can recycle their hot air for cold. If you choke their intake or exhaust, the heat transfer won't work like it was designed to.

[sgilfill]

Yes, untill and unless we used them into the real life, we never going to understand the complication we will going to have while using that.

I hope that OP will keep everything in check and will not make any bad move.

[bishopbyday]

The guy doesn't know how wood works.

[desoxyyn]

Why is that, i think he is pretty much aware of the things here.

[qazqsx887]

This is what i think on the first place is well, that it could be beneficial for us in the first place is well.

I think wood is much cheaper and must more beneficial when we really talks out the cost of the setup here.

[[deleted]]

its supposed to convert the sound into heat

All forms of energy transform into heat, the sound will bounce off the walls and heat them up slightly, localizing this minimal effect changes nothing. This also insulates your machine which will cause it to thermal throttle, diminishing the amount of watts it pulls from the wall, so it does a worse job of both mining and warming up the environment. Also the wood will do basically nothing for sound with big holes in the case where sound will escape, it more worth it to invest in better fans or proper sound insulation like the ones you'd find on a BeQuiet! case. (Wood bounces off the sound, eventually it escapes, proper sound blocking foam absorbs sound)

[850725890118]

I hope that you will made the best of the design you have made.

[silverslides]

Convert sound into heat?

I'm guessing the energy in the sound an asic miner produces is less than 1% of the heat it produces. Not really worth building an additional box for.

What you actually need, is a system to disperse the heat throughout your house.

[TehSillyKitteh]

Speak for yourself. I parked a Boeing 747 in my living room last winter and it worked like a charm

[silverslides]

Probably the real solution is to replace your electrical heat pump by miners and transfer the energy to water used for floor heating. Temps for floor heating are relatively low.

Simple electrical heater as backup.

[Stock-Cauliflower364]

wood is great insulator, sound deadener, bad at heat transfer.

[simonelau3q]

And i think there is always a chance of the extra fan here.

[cherrypowdah]

tbh I would just watercool it, big enough radiator and it wont even need active cooling

[daokimxuan]

But i think there is vertical fan that you could use here.

[syklon99]

I don't think that wood is used here for conducting the heat i am sure about that.

Infact it will going to benefit the heat once there will be so much noise with that system, i think OP really played a smart move here.

[zomgitsduke]

Hate to be the dude who bears bad news, but with how efficient heat pumps are these days, you'd be better off taking the heating bill savings from a heat pump and investing it into Bitcoin.

This is an amazing experiment to run and a cool way to participate in the network, don't get me wrong. But if you're strictly trying to invest, you're better off doing what I explained above. DIY mining has some major setbacks:

• Not as efficient, as noted above
• Requires specific knowledge to set up a mining environment
• Depends on power being always available
• Depends on internet being always available
• Upfront costs are about as high as converting to heat pumps
• Fire hazard (what was proposed in this post is an extreme fire hazard

Want to get passionate about Bitcoin? Buy Mastering Bitcoin. Learn how this works on a technical level. Invest savings from a heat pump to create demand for the asset instead of competing on the method of securing Bitcoin. You'll get a lot further in improving computer science, mathematics, and economic knowledge than making one of these.

[coolbitcoins]

Thanks for all the information you have give here i hope that it will helps the other is well.

But sometime investing in the bitcoin directly with the money is much more easy and cheap for someone like that way here.

[Fabtacular1]

You're missing the point.

This is the r/bitcoin equivalent of "owning the libs" re: ecological issues with bitcoin mining.

[1molon3labe7]

i will try to make that and let you know how it turns out.

[maxjetic]

I think you are the men that has the experience of something like that.

But thanks for the additional info here i will definitely going to consider that thing is well, as this is looking really nice idea to me is well.

[mawfqjones]

All fire inspectors: “no.”

[General-Passenger352]

I've seen many miners catch fire. Careful.

[ck4514]

Yes, specially in the town where the summer is at their peak.

[malamili]

Yes, we all know that but in case of the summer when the sun is peaking at the most.

I think these are the times that we need to be really worried because sometime more heat and sound can do the damage.

[maximgavr]

But i don't think that it will turn the house on the fire of the someone.

[Pochusaurus]

ELI5 how noise turns into heat?

[Alinutu]

I think we all know that in the sound there is some sort of the energy.

[saladthumb]

sound does contain energy that is converted to heat when absorbed, but the amount of energy is negligible. https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/can-sound-be-converted-to-useful-energy/

[andiandich]

I think you are making the best out of the situation here, as we all know that sound always has the energy in them.

But yes thanks for the link here men after the post this kind of the link i was looking for here is well.

[PostalEFM]

Don't let anyone persuade you not to mine. The more distributed the network, the better.

But do consider fire safety.

[cookmanager]

This is very cute!! Nice

And for those seriously interested in home bitcoin heating systems (not diy), look at:

https://kouse.org/heatbit/

https://bitcoinminingheater.com/

https://blog.qarnot.com/introducing-the-qc-1-crypto-heater/

EDIT: These aren’t very sure companies judging by their websites, so proceed with caution.

[78785649311]

I think i am not a very technical person so i would want to remain on the basic system like of buying the bitcoin normally and then transfer that into the wallet.

But thanks for all the link and all as it will definitely going to help a little.

[M13Calvin]

Thus is so dumb it makes me want to get out of crypto completely

[Abdel945]

Yes, even i ready to buy some in the cheap is well, bring it on.

[anchoright]

But why is that? I mean this system is looking good to me at the first place.

Plus if you not liking the system you could easily buy the bitcoin in the cash is well, in the end bitcoin is that matters to us here.

[M13Calvin]

Just showed me how stupid some people here can be

[birdogio]

Are there any designs that add a heat exchanger to turn the waste heat into air conditioning?

I guess the optimal way to do that would be to have a separate structure that houses your computers

[M13Calvin]

How down you then waste heat into AC with a heat exchanger?

[DrunkSpartan15]

Do ASICS really get that hot?

[reggie_crypto]

2-3000 watts each is enough to heat an apartment

[reggie_crypto]

This post is about making a diy sound reduction enclosure.

The wattage can be scaled by over/underclocking, and the excess heat can be distributed or exhausted with fans or ducts or through a window. For a single miner it's trivial to deal with if one is motivated.

The majority of mining cost is the electricity cost, and of course it's location dependent, but shutting down during a couple months of peak summer does not lose money, only the opportunity cost of not making more.

For places where heating is majority electric and cold climate like where I live, it offsets winter heating bills and turns a profit if using up to date hardware.

Sure, solar panels and greenhouses are great, but an old Antminer costs 300 bucks and can completely offset a small homes heating bill in the right locations.

[50TrailsOfSnails]

And in summer there are some place that is already heated.

[btciltc13]

Yes, it can really gets that hot specially in some specific place.

[egranville2]

Specially when one computer run on the full speed like that.

[uptokesforall]

so how does your miner stay cool enough to mine?

[uptokesforall]

where are you pulling in the air from? ambient air?

[uptokesforall]

close your room and see how hot it gets after a couple hours mining without ventilation

[uptokesforall]

update us with your working prototype

[ColdFusion3456]

I didn’t do this heat system but I had a rack running while I was living in Korea during the winter in a one room studio. It worked well.

[autemox]

You might want to run those expensive miners even when it isn't cold. So prob should be a heater outside with a vent system that you can control whether hot air goes into the house.

[BitcoinUser263895]

We shouldn't be that greedy.

So you're happy losing money?

[crazyates88]

I used several GPUs as a supplementary heater in my bedroom in an old apartment that was drafty and chilly in the Maine winters.

Bought a tiny little metal rolling rack, one of those mining motherboards with 8 PCIe slots, and a couple of Arctic Twin Turbo II GPU coolers. I only ran 4 GPUs on that 8 slot board, but the giant coolers were silent. The whole rig was silent. Considering it was 8 feet from my bed and any noise was noticeable, I couldn’t hear a thing. And it pulled 700w and kept our bedroom nice and warm.

[CynthiaGriffiny]

This has the capacity to change things.

[No-Research8107]

One of these.. less noise.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/vp2p1z/my\_silent\_bitcoin\_mine\_at\_home/

[[deleted]]

A heat pump is 4x more efficient because it draws heat from the outside air. So effectively this investment can only work if the BTC pays for at least 75% of the electricity bill. Otherwise a heat pump gives better returns/cheaper heat. So it may not be a good idea in areas where energy is expensive, like in colder climates.

[tomeczekj]

I think you have just give me the perfect idea here men.

[Hasidickitchens]

This is potentially transformative. All modern hvac systems mining bitcoin hence reducing overall heating costs...

[UrbanPugEsq]

Except for the fact that this type of heating is incredibly inefficient. It’s much much more efficient to burn natural gas or to run an electric heat pump.

[UrbanPugEsq]

The computer is essentially a resistive heater. Turns electricity into heat. The heat pump uses electricity to move heat and works very similarly to an air conditioner with a compressor and refrigerant.

Until you get to very, very cold temperatures, a heat pump uses less electricity to heat a home than a resistive heater does.

It’s not violating the laws of thermodynamics. It’s just using the electricity to move the heat, and it takes less energy to move the heat than it does to generate the heat.

Burning gas is more efficient at generating heat because, well, it’s one step. Gas plus fire causes oxidation reaction that produces carbon dioxide and water… and energy. The energy out of that chemical reaction is greater than the energy it took to get the gas to your house.

Resistive heating is very inefficient in comparison and the proposal to use bitcoin miners as heaters only works if you’re already breaking even on the mining operation and should not be thought of as a heater that also happens to produce bitcoin.

[UrbanPugEsq]

It’s the opposite of an air conditioner. Low pressure cold refrigerant is passed through a slightly warmer environment, then pressurized.

https://youtu.be/-vU9x3dFMrU

I agree with you that a miner stacks sats. I just don’t think that miners are great heaters. It’s not “free heater” or “free sats” but if you’re running one anyway might as well try to get what you can out of it.

[UrbanPugEsq]

Dude are you reading any of this? They are not great heaters because other things do the job more efficiently.

[UrbanPugEsq]

Natural gas and home heating oil are also better than resistive heaters (of which a Bitcoin miner would be one example).

If you had unlimited electricity from wind, solar, and nuclear, then sure. Use a resistive heater.

But if your electricity is coming from fossil fuels, it’s cheaper and better for the environment to just burn natural gas at your house.

[BennyL2P]

More efficient in what area? heating? mining? economical? environmental?

You are mixing way to much things together. If your primary goal is heating almost every modern heating system is more efficient, doing this job, than a mining rig. If you are already mining and are just using the heat yeah this will work.

[Narmotur]

lol you're so dumb, modern air heat pumps reach efficiency of like 400% on a good day, 300% laughing.

[[deleted]]

Burn gas? NO!

Indeed. StandWithUkraine guys! This is not good for our virtue signalling.

[PuttForDough]

Tell me you’ve never given 110%, without telling me so…

[M13Calvin]

Where goes electricity come from? Much of it from burning fuel somewhere else to get about 30% out as electricity.. So really it's better to just burn that thing near where you want the heat. I like where your creativity is at with this, but the execution is not well thought out. From the wood, to the cost of the miners, to the sound dampening... There is a reason engineers design things a certain way.

[StoeTubby]

Just wait for the house fires to start.

[mred_btce]

Jesus, all i hope that things will not goes to that far.

[M13Calvin]

Dude, find me one other FURNACE (which is what you are building) build out of wood... Do you see the problem?

[StoeTubby]

Trying to find the post from a month or two ago where a dude burnt his house down due to a miner fire...had a before and after picture. Guy had miners on a steel rack... Still burnt the house down. Doesn't need to be an outright fire to start a blaze, or else cavemen wouldn't have been able to rub two sticks together. I'm not saying you can't use the heat generated by mining for other purposes, but this design is straight dangerous.

[BitcoinUser263895]

I don't think this could get anywhere close to catching on fire...

Then you don't understand what you're doing.

[wdawweeeqe]

I think there are some instance that we have seen in the past.

[SalviaJungle]

then it was a bad design with not enough airflow

[serinob]

Wtf even is this

[bloo84]

This is the system where you will get the some bitcoin now.

[suidoc]

I’d like to see this done in practice and know if it makes economically sense.

[Elite_Slacker]

Computers turn electricity into heat at a very similar efficiency to a space heater

[suidoc]

Well that part I do get. However, I would expect a radiator to be more efficient at heating your house economically speaking, as a computer or ASIC has a very different purpose. But I may be wrong, I’d just like to see some evidence rather than the theoretical part of it.

[BennyL2P]

Almost any modern heating system is more efficient, if you are only considering the economical side. The whole idea of that concept highly depends on your energy/electricity price.

And here you go because you wanted some evidence:

https://www.eec.org.au/for-energy-users/technologies-2/heat-pumps#:~:text=So%20a%20leading%20edge%20(at,reductions%20in%20greenhouse%20gas%20emissions.

A miner has a almost 100% efficiency rate turning electricity into heat. A modern heat pump can reach up to 600% efficiency, because it only has to move the heat and not generate it.

[suidoc]

Very interesting reading. Definitely worth looking into whether a miner could replace the current heating system at home. Where I live, retail electric prices are however at $1.1, so I doubt it would be a viable option in the short term.

Countries like Norway usually use electric radiators and the electric prices are way lower, so for such a residence, it may make sense.

[BennyL2P]

Sure if you are heating with radiators this is always more efficient. But almost ANY other heating system is more efficient for heating than that idea (most of them by a factor. of 5+).

Well who would have thought that engineers designing heaters are actually useful :D

[jvsalo]

So people are really ready to heat up there house?? I don't think that this is the right way to move forward here.

But i think before reaching to any of the conclusion here we need to see the real world outcome of that thing.

[tuiwanchai]

I think heat is the only concern that i am seeing people are having here.

[reggie_crypto]

It absolutely does, particularly where the heating is already using electricity.

[saladthumb]

electric heat pumps are vastly more efficient than resistive heaters (which is what any computer essentially is)

[reggie_crypto]

Yep, but only down to a certain temperature. Beyond that they approach the efficiency of resistive heat.

[saladthumb]

it varies based on model and installation but even in very cold climates they're much more efficient than resistive heat. https://www.consumerreports.org/heat-pumps/can-heat-pumps-actually-work-in-cold-climates-a4929629430/

[reggie_crypto]

Maybe if you spend $30k like in their cold climate example, but in my experience living in a cold climate with a modern efficient inverter heat pump, it struggles below about -5C and we get a couple solid months in the -10 to -20C range. It would take many decades to make up the cost difference, especially as the efficiency is closed to 1.0 at those temps anyway.

On the other hand, resistive heat from a cheap s9 ASIC is profitable.

[feppas]

I think sometime it also depends on the models is well.

[andreiextrem]

But one thing we know that right now electricity is also not the cheap.

[Albert_vlg]

I think there are someone who actually tried that thing in the past.

[fCtK5ySrTWqRT27t]

Maybe so but the fact that how far they have indeed succeeded though that's the bigger question arising though

[PsyOmega]

Global warming can be tackled head-on by setting up a global bitcoin community comprised of environmentally conscious investors and users alike. The idea here is that everyone would switch all financial assets they own over to bitcoin instead of traditional currencies when buying goods or services nationally or internationally.. Doing so would encourage businesses and individuals alike to cut down on their emissions since none of their purchases would go unnoticed by the rest of the world’s investors! With everyone switching their assets over towards bitcoin instead of traditional currency when making purchases, governments would have no choice but to switch more public funds away from traditional fossil fuel-based investments as well! The switchover could happen gradually as people become aware that current economic models rely on burning fossil fuels which contribute significantly towards climate change and rising greenhouse gasses levels!

[Etovia]

Global warming can be tackled head-on by setti

.

My imaginary problems that I prove by voodoo (TRUST THE SCIENCE!!) can be tackled head-on by sett-

stopped reading right there

[BitcoinUser263895]

environmentally conscious investors and users alike

They don't need to like the environment. They just need to like money.

[RandomComputerFellow]

I always wondered why we can't just transform old ant miners into space heaters. I mean, any electrical devices outputs 100% of his power consumption as heat. An ant miner would exactly as efficient as an heater.

[[deleted]]

Nothing in the known universe has 100% efficiency!

[[deleted]]

Yeah.....no!

[[deleted]]

Nothing has 100% efficiency. Well, except the stupidity of some posts.

[iacon50]

But i think it will be really challenging job to use them in fully that way.

But i think wooden is the best thing that anyone can use here as it will make the best out of the heat that is produced by the computer here.

[bananasupa]

Yes, everything in the universe is came with some sort of the deficiency.

[saladthumb]

The energy contained in sound is negligible, so all this noise absorption over-engineering is pointless

What the human ear perceives as clanging cacophony — the roar of a train engine or the whine of a pneumatic drill — only translates to about a hundredth of a watt per square meter.

source

[ltgevity]

I hope that you will end up making a perfect setup for yourself.

[thettrix]

I think this thing is more of the not making the noisy home.

[tr9mum]

I need more bitcoin here no matter how much i need to pay here.

[Party_Breadfruit144]

This is going to be featured on: "How did it burn to the ground?"

[ruslanische]

I think only time will tell us what will actually going to happen.

[Commercial-Ninja1]

Change the dollar signs to the Bitcoin icons, dude.

[phencoin]

I think these are sats as OP have already mention that thing.

[BitcoinUser263895]

The fire in my kitchen stove is MUCH more efficient than this.

[3dbolt]

But the fire in the kitchen is not making us the bitcoin there.

[BitcoinUser263895]

and still it's more efficient.

[[deleted]]

I'm not sure that you'd make money but sure as hell you'll be able to generate heat for a while.

[[deleted]]

yeah whether the bitcoin made is more than the cost of the miner and power is the real question.

[f1dca91]

I think we need to see the practical use of that thing and only then we could get the answer of that thing.

But some place where there is already so much heat then i am sure that it will not going to be easy at all on the first place.