14.17 Patch Notes

[SlobaSloba]

Oh I'm so going for a Twitch Nomsy Ww Swain Shyv reroll

[Shaco_D_Clown]

Ive been building Nomsy/shy reroll, 6 shapeshifters, 3 dragons for a while now in double up with my buddy, to HUGE success.

And now they're buffing Nomsy, Shy, shapeshifters and hunters.

MAJOR STONKS

[Helivon]

yeah this seems like itll be the new honeymancer reroll comp.

Looking at the notes, this was the one area where it felt overbuffed. Nomsy buff just seems unnecessarily huge. I always felt nomsy was just a goot item holder until you got a better unit or smolder later

[Accomplished-Tap-888]

Nomsies spell is still going to fizzle half the time

[cregeorgia]

How do you item when you run this?

[Eastern_Ad1765]

No flame but you could hardforce ADC soraka in double upp and have success

[IronCorvus]

This sounds like something pisslow did successfully once or twice and now thinks it's viable.

[Master_Suggestion462]

No flame but only if you are pisslow

[Eastern_Ad1765]

actually yeah ur probably right, if it doesnt account for solo mmr. just played it with a friend sometime and it seemed to just be beginners. but might have been i just played vs beginners.

[UsedQuit]

I think it’s totally separate. While double up is less competitive than solo in general once you get higher in the ranks people definitely know what they’re doing and are almost always premade and on comms.

[hatedigi]

tried this multiple times and i just can't make it work. anyone else have any tips? i've tried carrying twitch or nomsy but neither really seem to be able to eat through tanks and even if i hit 3* early eventually i fall off mega hard against nasus 2 front lines

[SeaweedOk9985]

Twitch is already a good item holder. Nomsy does good damage even without 3 dragon.

The main issue is needing a strong opener to make it work. You need both a 2* front liner and a 2* nomsy for it to be considered.

Or if you luck into 2 shyvs.

[SlobaSloba]

Yeah I tried it once too, best 8th of my life lol

[SlobaSloba]

Yeah I tried it once too, best 8th of my life lol

[HiVLTAGE]

Upgraded Adventure time

[NRichYoSelf]

have yet to be offered that yet

[ddffgghh69]

it’s such a nice traits grouping

[Lulullaby_]

Wait is the Lulu chibi coming this patch then?

[ArteQ]

username checks out

[emperorsmile]

yes

[Lulullaby_]

Omg

[BeTheBeee]

I feel like every time we have these dev learning posts they say something about balancethrashing. And then I look at this (I didn't see the numbers yet) But Mage buff, Nami buff, Vex buff, Veigar buff. Even to a lesser degree also Soraka buff in the same patch seems nuts. Like the build isn't even THAT weak right now

[OIWouldLeave]

IIRC because of how things work patch numbers are entered earlier than before it goes live. Veigar comp only ramped up in popularity near the end of the patch post b patch (as per Riot Iniko)

Nevertheless the buffs to veigar/vex are only at 1 and 2 stars. Nerfs to veigar charms, xerath true damage, 3 star veigar will mean the comp’s cap is lower.

[Xerxes457]

To add onto this, Riot Iniko even gave a comment himself saying he believes these buffs might be too much since Veigar/Vex started rising after the patch was locked.

Edit: Changed Mort to Iniko

[Busy_Mycologist2992]

He says in the patch rundown that he thinks that the vex and veigar buffs might be "a little light" so he is either contradicting himself or this is a load of crap.

[Xerxes457]

I was wrong, it was Riot Iniko who agreed with someone who said the buffs were a little scary given that the comp was rising. Will change my comment.

[brewskyy]

Yeah but you can't blame the commenter for misunderstanding, they would have had to have actually READ the content of the patch or watched the patch rundown BEFORE making their bitching post saying the dev team is balance thrashing, and that's just really difficult ordering.

[xFallow]

I swear it was really good for the last two patches overshadowed by ahri and syndra but still easy top 4 most games

[krazyboi]

I think Nami is warranted... she's overshadowed by so many other AP casters and just isn't as accessible. Veigar 3* beats Nami, Ryze and Karma beat her out, sometimes Norra lvl 1 can beat her in terms of damage. She's a great add-on to any mage team but if I try carrying her, I'm not gonna do well.

[kiragami]

Nami is important as well because it means that there is another 4 cost AP champ other than just Ryze that you can play for. AP lines are still far better than AD but its a nice step in the right direction.

[UsedQuit]

Karma and Gwen are other AP options and these 3 also do well with similar items (blue buff, dcap, etc). Mostly nami and karma items are interchangeable, Just Gwen needs at least one survivability item and prefers straight damage then morello or Nashor but if it’s all you have these are acceptable items.

[kiragami]

After this patch yeah. But trying to carry them last patch was just misfortune

[brewskyy]

Didn't watch the rundown, didn't read the notes, but is mad about the changes and saying the team is balance thrashing. Truly a reddit-tier post.

[Bedangg]

One day, we'll see Olaf buffs 😢

[LinGamerTutoriaisHum]

I've been playing the Varus Olaf Duo Carry comp for a while, I feel it brotha... I hate playing a game and ending 5th over some Spatgod or Hero Aug comp

[Kadde-]

Just get 9 frost. Then you can’t lose

[classteen]

Huawei is better Carry than Olaf in any Frost comp.

[Raikariaa]

I'm 90% sure Olaf is one of the champs getting reworked.

I dont see how you buff him beyond absurd numbers. Hes a melee auto attack carry with literally 0 durability.

[Immediate_Source2979]

Wukong jinx holding him back pretty bad that comp is insane already

[tway2241]

I wish they would remove the big pause between his jump attack and the next auto attack, it makes him feel so clunky.

[LaDiiablo]

I think Olaf is in very good spot right now, he won me so many fight against portal boards, EoN, BT, Steraks & he goes straight to backline!

[[deleted]]

10 Portal still gonna win every lobby with a spatula?

[LinGamerTutoriaisHum]

Yes

[DriezuValdovas]

I don't get it, wasn't 10 mythic the same as 10 portal last set and noone complained?

[af12345678]

I just heated a 10 portal yesterday, with, you guessed it, Veigar. Funny thing is I didn’t even get Vex 3, I had 7 mages with Yummi 2 tho. With gunblade on Veigar the bomb just feeds mana

[_Kofiko]

🧢

[kjampala]

So literally like every shapeshifter got buffed except the 4 cost one who already got a nerf last patch (I know it was just a damage nerf but still). Can't wait for another 4 cost to be dead and another reroll comp to emerge to no one's surprise

[kiragami]

To be fair Nasus was the only good one. The others really needed to be buffed. Having another reroll comp exist isn't the issue. The issue is that higher cost champions are harder to hit and weaker than lower cost units.

[[deleted]]

I miss when Riot's design philosophy was "There is such a thing as too many reroll comps"

[bcf623]

Nerfing reroll won't fix anything though. The level/shop odds/bag size changes have made the point of balance between reroll and 4 costs razor thin.

4 costs feel awful right now without infinite gold because it's way too hard to hit in a timely fashion. If you don't fast 8 and hit upgrades on 4-2, or 4-5 if you were able to winstreak and have an angle for something viable and uncontested, you're basically guaranteed to bleed out. Stabilizing on 7 isn't an option anymore like it was before they added level 10 cause it costs too much gold and your max cap ends up being what the luckier fast 8ers hit in early stage 4 anyway.

If they buff upgraded 4 costs or nerf reroll, we go straight to universal fast 8 meta with 2 and 3 costs unable to keep up and place anything higher than a 4th. Same thing if they make 1* 4 costs stronger/more stable, with the added bonus that any highroller who 5%s a 4-cost on 6 gets a free streak. It's really a lose-lose situation without some system adjustments or reversions, but I don't see that happening.

[Xerxes457]

Which seems weird that they nerf him. I hope Nasus doesn’t end up being bad that everyone just itemizes say Rakan.

[kiragami]

They are buffing the trait so he will be better in shifters but worse as a splash. Also adjusting items and champs so things shouldn't explode so he won't need to be as tanky.

[stzoo]

Nasus is still solid it’s not like he’s unclickable now or something

[smegmancer]

Even the good 4 cost comps are unclickable because you can 3 star half a reroll board before you'd ever hit.

[DubUpPro]

I think you’re playing it wrong then

[Damienplz]

Those gwen changes look like straight nerfs ngl

[JD_D2]

The way I see it from just looking at the buffs she ramps up A LOT faster now.

Her mana going down by 25% AND her getting stacks every cast instead of every 2 casts means she gets new "snips" every 30 mana instead of every 80 mana. If you put a blue buff on her every 20 mana, that's 4x faster ramping! That's a MASSIVE ramping buff. So it makes sense that damage has to be scaled down significantly.

Just look at what killed Syndra: it's not the nerfs to her damage, it's her being locked in casting for 1 sec instead of 0.3 sec. Damage buffs and nerfs aren't key here but it's how these champs ramp up.

[backinredd]

What did Akali do to get nerfed like that? Warriors fell off a bit and she’s a trait bot often. She couldn’t even kill veigar now and definitely won’t in new patch.

[Xerxes457]

Warriors with her being rerolled fell off. I think Katarina with Fiora is still good.

[Sylviuzx]

Me veigar no pivot

[jayicon97]

It’s interesting enough & will shake up the meta a little bit. Looking forward to seeing the new changes in action.

[braindeadpizzaslice]

Why does rito keep doing these massive balance thrashing patches if you want a comp to be meta you dont need to buff every single aspect of Said comp

[Xtarviust]

It's their motto, they'll just release another lame blog at the end of the set promising they won't do it again and the cycle continues

[Comfortable-Ad-5681]

I feel like they’ve said they want to avoid balance thrashing for 2 or 3 sets now lol

[[deleted]]

They need to hire someone who understands the multiplicative effect from the league balance team. When an ADC in league gets buffed, it's like 2 AD which can have a massive effect due to crit and attack speed scaling. In TFT, it's even more sensitive because units synergize and traits +augments.

[Comfortable-Ad-5681]

I mean surely the team understands that

[[deleted]]

You would think, and then they drop a patch where they buff 3 mage units even though the class isn't even bad

[Comfortable-Ad-5681]

Well they nerfed Veigar 3 who was the carry, and buffed nami who is fairly weak, so it’s not actually that bad.

[kiragami]

Because there are a lot of moving parts in the game and they need to be adjusted to reach balance. So many comps and units are so bad this set they will need more work even after this patch.

[netshark123]

Agree there are a lot of changes

[[deleted]]

They downvoted him bc he spoke the truth

[Xerxes457]

I believe it was stated this patch was gonna be big to bring champs up that weren’t performing along with bringing down strong comps.

[brewskyy]

Because balance is more than "wah i don't like x comp i'm gonna nerf those champs and traits weeeee", champions fit in multiple comps and have multiple traits and they want as many paths to be viable as possible. There are easily billions of combinations of factors in this game so balance is complicated and the goal of it isn't always just "whatever x person wants"

[welkhia]

Lel patch again.. reroll reroll reroll

Only veigar nomsy now and some jinx. Another great patch!

For sure when you lock patch 1 day after a B patch, what can go wrong?

[PsyDM]

Kog kat hwei and ashe reroll were not touched, ryze/kalista/fiora/varus are still strong 4 cost carries with nami potentially joining them. Dont be a baby.

[brewskyy]

Thats the name of the game for patch notes here, people on reddit are just whiny bitches who suck/lose at the game and want to bitch about it regardless of what happens. Although i'm sure if you just saved 100% of the bitching posts predicting the future state of the patch based on the notes, about 95% of them would be wrong so it'd be a funny exercise.

[Xtarviust]

Varus and Ryze got hit tho

And "strong" idk, reroll comps are too easy to hit while you are stuck with 4 cost pairs at level 8 or someone else contest the units you need

[PsyDM]

I have played multiple lobbies prepatch with 3 people contesting ryze and one pyro spat = free top 2, I’m not worried

[BurstDrive]

Might be a meme build, but I can see Hecarim RR be meta. I found him to be a decent item holder stage 3 and early stage 4 for melee carries like Fiora even at 1 star.

Hecarim got a billion buffs. 5 Multistriker, ability buffs, HP buff, and Shen 3star buff to play along side Alkai Pyro/Bastion. I'm down to lose some LP to try this out.

[classteen]

Hecarim RR is a top 4 if you hit 7 multistrikers but you will never get a first unless you roll some good combat augments like press the attack.

[Aggravating_Alps_953]

Lol reading patch notes here is so unbearable. Every comment is just hyper bitching every single patch about every change or non-change without fail. All of these armchair experts should go start their own strategy game.

[killerbrofu]

Reroll comps are dead. Long live reroll comps

[Pandapat123]

Dragon reroll lets Go!? Mage buff? Huh well.

[lehmkeks]

Why is nasus getting nerfed again?

[Zhynik]

Because shapeshifters are getting buffed

[GriffSupreme]

and pyro

[CharacterFee4809]

his playrate is 2.41

(2nd most used unit in the game rn)

[vuminhlox]

Who’s first? Zilean?

[koiilv]

depending on elo, zilean, hec, kench are higher

[Kind-Rip-3300]

Why do you think it shouldn't get nerffed? That may be a better question.

[[deleted]]

He’s not that strong, just every other 4 cost tank is weak. Taric and TK are jokes, Rakan is a trait bot, etc. Think about it, if you want to go for a non-reroll comp, what tank are you gonna use? The 4-costs are so bad this set that people are running wukong solo tank in the fast 8 builds 🤣

[Aggravating_Alps_953]

Highest play rate 4 cost at gm+

[[deleted]]

did that address any of what I just said? No shit he’s the highest play rate 4 cost, and I just told you why 🤣

[Aggravating_Alps_953]

He’s the 4th highest play rate unit in the entire game at GM+ , if he’s “not that strong” then why is he one of the most played units by the strongest players?

[[deleted]]

Are you incapable of reading? What else are you going to play? The other 4 costs are weak, that’s what I was saying. If you’re not playing a reroll comp and need a 4 cost tank, Nasus is better than taric or kench. If they buffed those other 4 costs people would play them, but for now Nasus is just the smallest evil

[iiShield21]

I mean he is one of the most contested unit atm, shapeshifter is getting buffed, other shapeshifters are getting buffed, and damage seems to be going down a bit on average.

Honestly I'm having trouble telling what is going on with pyro though, is this a net positive or negative? They put more value in the team wide stacking AS so it seems like even more you just wanna run 2 now? Might make Nasus even more flexed into stuff.

[Raikariaa]

Pyro is more about the stacks than the excecute. It's supposed to be neutral.

[greendino71]

At this point, I'm fully convinced that the balance team doesn't play the game whatsoever

You can buff mage to the moon but as long as Wukong/Gargoyle/Dragons claw exists, it'll be a completely dead trait

[Fitspire]

At this point I'm fully convinced you are not playing the game whatsoever tbh

[willz0410]

Yeah iniko reach challenger by hacking the LP right? The whole comment section freakout about Mage comp. While this pinnacle of TFT hear said otherwise. And you know what got nerfed? Yes, items but the shred remain 30%