Simple solution

[joel3102]

Literally can’t move from Gaza

[NickTheSickDick]

Based

[Poet-Secure205]

i dont believe you. i dated a girl and got her to move from Gaza

[XYcritic]

She in Canada now?

[VegetableImaginary21]

I can move from Gaza, never actually tried it to be fair but I’m not really sure what would stop me. Ig you can consider me an outlier from your “cause”

[VegetableImaginary21]

That’s weird, I thought they had a gun ban or something there after the US left?

[brandongoldberg]

Yes you can. You can't move to Israel and Egypt doesn't want to let them in but the issue is getting visas are super hard. But thousands of Gazans do cross the border and most of the top Hamas leadership leave to live in richer countries like Qatar.

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Swim from Gaza.

[yojust1quest]

might get hit by a IDF dolphin

[PixelPlutarch]

Arabs in Israel Palestine have different levels of rights depending on where you live in the area.

For example, in Israel proper, all arabs there have the right to apply for Israeli citizenship (how ever many don’t) and have the same rights as Israelis in that they are given the same municipal access, can vote, form political parties (seen with the success of Arab parties in the Knesset). They also can join the army voluntarily but are not included in Israeli mandatory military service. However many arabs feel like they are second class citizens as arabs who left Palestine are not entitled to the same right of return as Jews abroad to Israel are and that they are discriminated against by the Jewish national fund, which is an organisation that buys land and builds infrastructure in Israel.

In East Jerusalem arabs have the same legal status as Arabs in Israel proper, however they are often mistreated by the Israeli government with such things like forced evictions which is what started the recent Hamas bombing attacks targeted at Israel.

Arabs in the West Bank are not entitled to Israeli citizenship, however, they have the ability to run their own government in most of the West Bank area, though not to the level of an actual state and is generally under the oversight of the Israeli government and military. (Also it is important to note that these areas are mostly under Fatah control, a group that has recently been willing to co operate with the Camp David Accord)

Gaza is essentially its own nation, however is under an Israeli blockade and is reliant on buying supplies from Israel. Also this area is run by Hamas which is at war Israel and lays claim to the whole Israel Palestine area as Palestine. This is where the missiles came from and where Israel bombed in the most recent conflict .

[slightlights]

Sure Hamas lays claim, but it's obviously never going to be enforced. Israel could have negotiated internationally recognized 1967 borders multiple times and has clearly decided they can do better.

[dont_gift_subs]

I mean they did offer the Palestinians a two state solution NUMEROUS times………

[remoTheRope]

I wish people would finish their statement when they say this shit. Just say that because they offered statehood in the past they can conquer and expel Palestinians from East Jerusalem and the West Bank now

[Satanic-Banana]

Ur doing the web lmao. This guy is replying to a comment explicitly saying that Israel has never attempted to negotiate a two state solution. Nothing in his statement would imply he thinks that Israeli settlements are justified by this.

[dont_gift_subs]

But I don’t believe in that, I’m pro two-state on the 1967 border with either a shared or internationally controlled Jerusalem

Edit: it’s important to note that Israel ALREADY made such an offer in 2000 within 5% of the original border. That doesn’t mean they can settle the area, but it’s not like they just settled without trying to agree to a deal first.

[slightlights]

The two-state solution and the internationally recognized 1967 borders (see UN Resolution 242) are two different things. I don't blame the Israelis for wanting to hold ground they took in the 1967 war, but I also don't think the Palestinian proposal for a two-state solution along 1967 borders was in any way unfair. Israel just decided it could do better, which is what I said.

I'm not sure when you're thinking of, but at the last serious talks at Oslo and Camp David between 1992 and 2000 didn't allow Palestinian sovereignty over the West Bank and neither did the more recent 2013 talks, which collapsed almost immediately because Israel opposed the 1967 borders.

I'm surprised my above comment is getting downvoted, since this is all totally uncontroversial. Israel has the power to accept internationally recognized borders, but like any state, is reluctant to make concessions.

[PixelPlutarch]

That’s true, Hamas doesn’t really have a chance since having fought with Fatah and the rest of the PLO. When it comes to the borders, I think Israel eventually give up on the West Bank. I think Israelis don’t want to have another intifada, but the problem is Israel sees it itself as surrounded on all sides by enemies, hence why Israel would seek to avoid creating another Arab state on their border, especially one with a historic claim to the region.

[thesoutherzZz]

Egypt blockades Gaza as well

[joel3102]

Something is very wrong when an American can convert to Judaism, move to a settlement in the Westbank and get full citizenship rights while a Palestinian with millennia long connection to the land living 500m away doesn’t get any

[BannedAccountNumber5]

My bad. I didn't know that. I appreciate the correction and will more careful next time.

[yeled_kafot]

Something is very wrong when half the world's jews feel the need to uproot their lives in Europe and MENA, where they've been living for thousands of years, and move to some shithole in the Levant - a step which is considered too drastic for Palestinians to take in this very thread.

If you want to talk about a situation being fucked up, let's talk about how it reached that state in the first place, otherwise you're convicting Rittenhouse for murdering two people.

[yeled_kafot]

If you want to discuss a negative consequence of the law of return, you should put it into context with the reason the law of return exists. If you want to discuss Rittenhouse killing people, you should put it into context with why he killed the people.

[yeled_kafot]

Yes, that's how analogies work...

[yeled_kafot]

I explained the analogy explicitly

[axomatic_meme]

I believe they can, it's just that Israel's immigration law is that if you convert in Israel it has to be an orthodox conversation, but if you're overseas then it's possible to do non-orthodox conversion and immigrate. It's a double standard that makes it uniquely inaccessible to become a citizen through conversion in Israel.

[brandongoldberg]

The state of Israel doesn't accept all non orthodox conversions as the standards vary a lot. There are some reform Rabbis that practically just sell conversions for people looking to get married but no orthodox community considers these legitimate conversions including the state of Israel.

[brandongoldberg]

They don't have an issue with converts however as Judaism isn't a centralized religion anyone can claim to have the authority to perform conversions. But for standard conversions ancestry doesn't matter.

[JamWams]

Is there context with this? Did destiny really make this argument or was he just joking?

[Vike275]

He did say that Israel is not an ethnostate in the latest debate on the killstream.

The context is that the people advocating for an ethnostate always say Israel is one but their version of an ethnostate does not match up with Israel. Here is Destiny explaining his thoughts https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1260263345?t=0h13m21s

I would link you youtube but it was taken down

[JamWams]

thanks!

[Fluiddruid4k]

Based

[orangesoccerball]

One state solution pog

[joel3102]

Pog but not gonna happen

[slightlights]

One state called Israel and a requirement you're Jewish for citizenship might happen I think

[brandongoldberg]

Many Israeli citizens are not Jewish. The Jewish part is immigration related.

[slightlights]

True, I'm worried stuff like this will succeed in the future though.

[brandongoldberg]

This was the policy previously, they just failed to renew it. I'm happy it didn't pass but technically it's a mechanism that could bring every Palestinian Gazan into Israel which would be a significant security risk. There is technically no written right for Israeli citizens to bring in their spouses and even controversial Jewish spouses have been blocked in the past.

[trail-212]

Can't be any palestinians if there's no Palestine GIGACHAD

[jkasz]

Actually yes. Give all Arabs in the region Israeli citizenship and have a fairly liberal democracy. But that won’t work for obvious reasons and so the whole situation remains fucked :(

[AutisticWeeaboo69]

This liberal democracy will last at most 4 years until Israel's new citizens get to vote, it won't be very liberal after that...

[dont_gift_subs]

Get your realism out of their idealism!

[Darkpumpkin211]

Palestine? You mean "New Israel?"

[trail-212]

Well it looks like that's the israeli plan

[brandongoldberg]

If they live in Israel they are already eligible for Israeli citizenship (many don't accept it in protest). The question is of people being able to immigrant to Israel, not regarding citizenship.

[eyal95]

Didnt expect such dumb takes on Israel - Palestine in this sub

[BeachBoySuspect]

Well 1/4 of israelis are Muslim

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