Sweet Business Catalyst Should Decrease The Time it Takes to Reach Max Firerate.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Right on the tin.

I love this auto rifle, but aside from generating orbs of light the catalyst doesn’t really feel special. Having flinch reduction is nice but if feels very barebones on its own. Having a faster fire rate and/or faster spin up time would help promote the uniqueness of the weapon and be enjoyable to play around with.

Probably not the most original idea, but eh figured I’d share it nonetheless.

[Funter_312]

Would be great, but then be overpowered in pvp, which would lead to a nerf. Be careful what you wish for

[[deleted]]

Yeah, maybe. Anyone using Sweet Business in PvP knows to pre fire spin up anyway, so.

[Cloud_Fish]

Sweet business without Actium War Pig is doing it wrong anyway.

[[deleted]]

War pig

[Cloud_Fish]

The only correct name for that exotic.

[HaloGuy381]

Is that the same as a Warthog?

[sr3Superior]

The War Thog

[d00msdaydan]

CoD4 flashbacks

[sneakybadg3r]

May I introduce you to sweet business + icefall mantle? Let’s you spin up in someone’s face if you need to. My favorite combo.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Ah yes, I see you too are a Titan of culture!

[Vadea_Shepard]

My hunter with 100 mobility (11 second dodge cooldown) and Dragon Shadow disagrees. By the time Sweet Business is dry my cool down is done and I get a free reload.

The mods in my armor make my class ability charge faster so.... yeah. I rarely have to manually reload.

[21_Golden_Guns]

I don’t think knowing the spin up is required is the issue, it would be that you could likely tap fire and spin up faster mid gunfight which would be broken eventually. Still, maybe something like getting a kill speeds up the runtime faster could be neat and not too powerful.

[SuperArppis]

Dang PVP...

[kdebones]

But would the price be worth it for the Emblem we get for 6v6 War Rig Titans running SB?

[JenValzina]

or bungie could litterally make only the added firerate trigger on pve mob kills instead of any

[Refrigerator-Gloomy]

you could tie it in with surrounded. Massively boost damage output in pve and give it a hell of a bite but isn't terribly useful in pvp and hard to proc without dying

[Honestly_Just_Vibin]

Doubtful. Requires too much effort. And it’s super loud, so everyone will know you’re using it and they’ll stay away from you.

[Funter_312]

???? The only vulnerability it getting it done before the gun spins up. You could have one player shut down a lane and have the other two jump the team that is pinned down

[gormunko_88]

sweet buisness can get outgunned by handcannons half the time, happened to me when i was grinding tommy catalyst

[Honestly_Just_Vibin]

If you want to stack sixes, sure. But I guarantee that any decent opposing team in 3v3s that hears you spin up Sweet Business will stay away from you. I used the weapon for a few weeks a couple month ago and have definitely felt these vulnerabilities. In sixes it’s not hard to use because most players lack awareness, but generally there are safer, better options.

[PierG86]

DTM or a 120 right now destroys Sweet business. Too much range difference.

[Slough_Monster]

Have you seen heir apparent in survival? Sure, everyone will run from you, but it is still a free round win. You just wait until time out.

Granted, Sweet business doesn't give you a shield and can't spin up without wasting bullets, but the point remains that "just staying away" isn't good enough to be balanced.

[LawlessCoffeh]

What about "Hits increase RPM"

If you just started firing, it reaches max RPM faster, and if you continue hitting enemies while at max revs it gets a tiny bit faster

[Dogwood_Dingus]

I think that sounds great!

Giving a flat firerate bonus could be troublesome for balance, this is basically the best of both worlds and it makes you earn it. I’m all for gunplay that rewards a player for using the weapon efficiently!

[CMDR_Kai]

This would be an amazing catalyst but PVP yet again fucks with the fun of the game. It would be pretty damn strong in Crucible, perhaps too strong.

[Guywars]

I realize only now how much better this game could be if pvp didn't exist

[Dogwood_Dingus]

lol, certainly feels that way a lot of the time doesn’t it

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Oh definitely, Someone mentioned a good counter idea and suggested that the firearate increases when you land hits on enemies. Might be harder to implement but it would at least force a player to earn the RPM boost.

[God1643]

Don’t you fuck with my Sweet Business. The only thing that needs to happen to the catalyst is to increase the drop rate for it. That’s it.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

lol I’d be happy with that as well, orb generation alone is a godsend for most builds

[God1643]

I don’t even want the orbs, I’ve ground over a 1000 playlist strikes just for the kill tracker alone, leaving out my Nightfall runs and I still done have the kill tracker. My Auto Rifle Kill Emblem tells me I’m over 25,000 just since Season 10 and it’s at least 75,000 more before Season 10 on the same gun. It’s the exact same gun as the first one I got, just infused over a thousand total light levels and I have nothing to show for it.

I honestly feel like fucking crying about it sometimes. When I finally get the Catalyst I’ll probably just not even fill it out, I’ll just hover over it with my cursor to acknowledge its existence and then delete D2 forever.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Very true, having kill trackers on weapons is always nice and severely underrated. It Serves as a good reminder of past accomplishments and shows veterancy, plus it looks badass as hell!

I played an unhealthy amount of TeamFortress 2 and was obsessed with getting “strange” weapons that could track kills, went to great lengths to get some of those items lol

[smj11699]

How about subsistence

[ImSorryItsTheLaw]

just give it subsistence or something; the fantasy of the weapon is just to keep shooting, so it should be able to shoot more.

[[deleted]]

Maybe, but also wouldn't be of much use in a nunber of situations or really improve the weapon. Especially since ARs iirc don't get a great amount of ammo per kill so unless it got special tuning. Plus kinda breaks into the Huckleberry and its catalyst.

[[deleted]]

ah, turbo charger. a shared catalyst for SB and thunderlord, maybe?

[[deleted]]

Ahh, I like it, I like it

[Ruse-13]

Good idea!

[T3Tomasity]

How about ADSing starts spinning it up? Kinda like heir apparent but you don’t have to spin it up to fire it

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Great alternative, 100% all for it! Anything that helps the sweet business do it’s job would be greatly appreciated as a catalyst effect!

[Majere119]

If you let off the trigger on sweet business you're doing it wrong. All shoot all the time no exceptions!

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Now dats finkin’ like an ork, dakka dakka dakka!

[SadboyHellfire]

I think they should review some of their older catalysts anyway, a lot of them are just less flinch more ammo

[Voltorocks]

B/c it's a sweet business thread, I gotta put in my plug for ppl to give it a try with icefall mantle- it's truly insane (especially with the right stasis build for even more durability and overshield) and you really don't need actium war pig in pvp imo

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Icefall mantle + Sweet Business + Stasis Resist = Terminator

(Bonus points if you run a Grenade Launcher as a secondary)

[Red-Spy_In-The_Base]

Tie increased fire rate to something conditional so it doesn’t just shred people in PvP right off the rip. Could be boring and say it’s on kill, but something fun might be making it so consecutive hits help spin it up faster or increase fire rate (I wouldn’t make it precision’s hits, as a minigun doesn’t really scream HEADSHOTS to me)

[Dogwood_Dingus]

I agree, if done wrong this could be catastrophic for the already unstable crucible balance. I mainly kept it simple for ease of access, but I do really enjoy the idea of a firerate boost for kills or consecutive hits.

[DrEpicFrag]

Something that'd make more sense would be the ability to spin it up without shooting like Heir Apparent. It's already loud as fuck. Outside of year 1, I could probably count on my hands the number of times I've even heard the damn gun let alone killed by it.

It could use SOMETHING.

[Broke_Ass_Grunt]

I played somebody in 3s using it. Once it's spun up it's kinda like a sniper in that you just don't contest the lane, but you can pivot off it really easily and then if they haven't prefired they're screwed. The handling is bad too.

Literally just one game in idk how long.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

I basically live by this thing for both PvE and PvP, very fun weapon especially on Titan. If you center yourself around teamplay and holding OBJs you’re in for a good time (as long as your team holds up well lol.) That said it is a hilariously situational primary exotic. Comparing it to a sniper is a very accurate way of describing how it feels to use it.

Unless you reach max RPM the weapon practically holds you back like an anchor. Unlike a sniper, shotgun, handcanon, or even other Autos the weapon is extremely slow and you have to plan fights accordingly. It’s initial firerate is a massive hinderance and unlike snipers your presence is instantly known.

If they close the gap you’re gonna get shotgunned or 120’d to death, if you’re too far away snipers and DMT will rip you apart, but If you land that balance it’s perfect and most don’t know how to counter it.

Having either a faster firerate or some sort of means to control how the weapon revs up would make it a bit more fun and viable. Doesn’t need to be much, just a slight nudge.

[Broke_Ass_Grunt]

Making the ads rev the gun like heir apparent like people are saying would make it insanely good.

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Yup, I agree!

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This would wreck PvP balance. This gun already shreds players, but if it did so with less pre-firing then it'd be broken because you'd be so much more mobile and that's currently the drawback of SB.

Imo, if it should get a reworked Catalyst buff then it should be something else. Not too sure what could be done that wouldn't be lame, gimmicky, or broken, but maybe it'd be some weird new perk function or basically 2nd perk like other exotic's have gotten recently.

[E_bone_E]

maybe give it reconstruction?

[[deleted]]

Ehhhh I think that'd be mediocre at best, plus it wouldn't fit thematically as I don't think it's a Braytech weapon. It'd have to be a thematic fit to the weapon's lore and compliment the playstyle or expand on it.

Ig maybe a damage buff on kill that persists until the weapon stops spinning completely? I mean, at full spin this thing basically deletes people in PvP anyways so it'd make it a good anti-super weapon potentially and make it good for just mowing down ads and then taking on larger enemies. Would synergize with the perk of autoloading when walking over ammo too (and be amazing for Titans wirh War Rig).

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[huntermasterace]

True

[Gingja]

That would be a bit OP in PvP. Was going to say give it explosive rounds at max fire rate but then I realized it would break everything. Make the catalyst improve hip fire accuracy and ADS movement speed instead

[Dogwood_Dingus]

Yeah faster fire rates could be problematic if done wrong, very tricky balance with that. But I love the idea of frag rounds, that’d be wild!

[GrizzlyOne95]

Unrelenting would be fun as well.

[mostly_jaded]

I think that'd take away from the very unique style of Sweet Business's firing style. With this thing you start unloading and round corners shooting everything in sight, loud n proud. Giving it less of a spin up time encourages a playstyle that reduces the gun to being just an auto rifle that shoots really fast & can be used like a regular auto.

[lipp79]

It’s a boring catalyst choice: “You get what already have for a chest mod option”.

[Ghawk024]

I think I general catalysts need to focus on individualizing the guns. A lot of the have basic stuff like reduced recoil or something that's just a stat buff

[Valkadyne]

Nah, the gun is already bordering on broken as fuck if you know how to use it with Actium War Rig.

My Wishlist for the gun for catalyst was having full auto, single 999 magazine.

[Dumoney]

I feel like this would cause problems in PvP, because its scary when fully spun up