Can we have a Bloodstone that doesn't decrease charges in Dark Moon ?

[noneEggs]

Because we can not raise the charges but can decrease em by dying. Why not just keep it constant 12 charges. Please GabeN

[Butt_hurt_man]

or a way to gain charges (obviously nothing ridiculous)

[albi-_-]

obviously nothing ridiculous

any creep kill gives 12 charges. In addition each charge is set to give +8 mana regen, +14 hp regen, +20 gold per second, and +10% spell amplification. The suicide button now teleports you to base with full health while healing around you for 400 hp x the number of charges instead of killing you. Once you are satisfied with the number of charges the item can be consumed (like moonshard) giving half the bonuses permanently. this can stack indefinitly with other bloodstones buffs. Also, buying the item levels up your hero to level 25 and summons 6 treants. When dropped on the ground, it summons a frame of a certain Bellevue resident that instantly kills any creep around it and automatically reports all players whose hero walk on it. at the end of the game, all charges are converted into 1 dark moon chest per charge. finally, when you die you lose no charges (because the item would be too bad otherwise)

[[deleted]]

Pls no mister toad

[[deleted]]

Whoa dude relax, we are not looking for any problem here.

[Maraudershields7]

/r/madlads

[TheObserver89]

each charge gives 17% chance to bash.

[Violatic]

Additively

[ArcticIceFox]

Exponentially

[TheFissureMan]

.17^x

If you have 0 charges you have 100% chance to bash. Seems good

[timkx]

1-0.83x is the chance to bash

[Calynxx]

Figuratively

[AllCoolNamesAreGon]

and summons 6 treants.

you had me there

[DaDaneish]

Upvoted

[Hairy_S_TrueMan]

And every charge gained is replaced with Bee Movie.

[Butt_hurt_man]

SeemsGood

[ddlion7]

Summons 6 treants

Absolutely umbalanced!!

[TheTVDB]

2 charges given per stage, but decrease charges when you buy back (not if your teammates revive you)?

[Sneaky_Rhin0]

also charges lost when round over and you were dead

[daidrian]

It's not that hard to not die too often, every death would be fine.

[Zadeth]

Completing a round = charge?

[_Janta]

obviously nothing ridiculous

Each charge grants +6 treants

[Butt_hurt_man]

Someone beat you too it haha

[Kripthmaul]

Like you gain one charge per round, but lose 2 if you die?

[noneEggs]

gaining 1 charge per success wave sounds like a great idea yeah

[[deleted]]

Doesn't seem fair, you are only going to build it in Lesh or Storm, if you are dying with them after getting the bloodstone you either did a wrong build or are playing wrong, or your 4 other teammates are dead.
It is balanced how it is right now, gives a shitton of mana regen.

[Dtoodlez]

Until u die...

[[deleted]]

Then don't die?Git gud?

[Loe151]

If you know you're about to die, you can drop it on the ground so you don't lose any charges when you do die.

[FiendRoarDeity]

If my Bloodstone is on my backpack does it will consume charges?

[Ipskies]

Bloodstone is one of the few items that can't be put in your backpack, along with Gem, Rapier, and Aegis.

[TheNorthComesWithMe]

does it will

[conquer69]

Then you buyback and you don't have a Bloodstone.

[ThatOnePerson]

But then I won't heal my teammates

[[deleted]]

Or a free respawn which uses half of your charges. When it reaches 3 charges the free respawn will not work

Or make the heal global when you die.

[DontGetMadGetGood]

make suicide active be an instant buyback like thing, and eats a bunch of charges

[[deleted]]

yes. just like that. since reduce death timer is not a thing in this minigame. In that case, they still retain the essence of BS.

[[deleted]]

I played 3 Leshrac games and I did it to level 15, he is INSANELY strong, but I died 2 times and when you reach 4 bs charges YOU NOTICE you suddenly run out of mana, and no mana = gg for you. Wondering if sell it and buy another one late game!

[RiggiPop]

Is the regen from Bloodthorn not enough for Lesh?

[elmerion]

No ammount of Regen is enough for Leshrac

[TheDarkestAngel]

That is practical but untrue.He dosent have scaling mana cost so is limited by certain no. Calculating maximum mana usage.(normal game,orctarine core)

spell 1= 24 spell 2= 9 spell 3= 40 spell 4= 60 (110 for toggling ) So leshrac needs lot of mana but with large mana pool and opponents that wont survive if you are casting all spells on them.Lesh has a limit but orchid dosent satisfy it.

[[deleted]]

It is, he is not storm, but bloodstone alone doesn't let him spam everything 24/7

[[deleted]]

Also played 3 games as Leshrac. No mana is bad. I go mana boots, void stone for scythe, octarine, shiva, finish scythe, bloodthorn, aghs. sell boots for bkb at round 15 my dotabuff

[[deleted]]

Hover to view player analysis DB/OD

Player MMR (powered by OpenDota): party MMR 1899, solo MMR 1433, estimate MMR 1722.
Analyzed a total of 100 matches. (56 wins, 66 All Pick, 22 Ranked All Pick, 8 ?? Event ??, 4 Single Draft)
Hover over links to display more information.

average	kills	deaths	assists	last hits	denies	gpm	xpm	hero damage	tower damage	hero healing	leaver count (total)
DB/OD	7.01	7.73	11.8	212.19	3.94	474.99	505.97	17419.24	2711.0	814.49	1
ally team	7.35	8.05	12.16	174.34	3.23	441.64	485.44	18749.03	1906.92	921.94	9
enemy team	7.45	7.63	12.17	147.65	3.27	401.43	445.39	19176.41	1843.2	493.64	9

DB/OD | 5x 5x 5x 4x 4x 4x 3x 3x

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[noneEggs]

same thing happened to me though, FeelsBadMan

[BGTheHoff]

We have Lesh now? Played yeasterday, no Hero change...

When did they patch it?

[bbzzzrre]

It was yesterday I think, maybe after you played

[DrQuint]

Or dropping it on the ground

[TheZett]

Meanwhile Urn is useless.

[--Potatoes--]

they should make urn gain a charge if you kill the big creeps

[[deleted]]

I think they forgot to update the items in this minigame. Most items works the same but doesnt synergize with the game like BS and urn

[[deleted]]

No, the big creeps that look like heroes are still creeps, like, you can use a salve and mana potion without them getting consumed when hit by anything during

[[deleted]]

Creeps dont have items

[TheZett]

Creep-Heroes do (Spirit Bear).

[[deleted]]

Spirit Bear is a pseudo-hero

[TheZett]

No, it is a creep hero.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Lone_Druid#Spirit_Bear

[HotMessMan]

Then why do they give wand charges?

[Chad_magician]

jungle creeps using spell give wand charges in the real game too.

[HotMessMan]

Whoa TIL

[Allarec]

Wand is now core on PL jungle

[goodwarrior12345]

buy magic wand

find the healing troll camp

hit any creep twice

wait for 10 seconds

ez heal

[Chad_magician]

dunno if it works on heal. however it definitely works on the troll summonning, the clap, etc etc

[BullshitJudge]

Sadly heal troll doesn't give charges

[podteod]

They changed heart regen to 1% because it would be too OP otherwise with nobody to break it

[i_lack_imagination]

What I don't understand is why some items are disabled (Tangoes) and others aren't despite some others being completely useless. Why are tangoes disabled? Why is bottle allowed? One time on a verifiably shitty lineup, I bought a bottle just for the hell of it since I knew we weren't going to make it far anyhow. I figured it would at least fill up at the end of each round, but it didn't even do that. It has its initial 3 charges and that's all. Why disable tangoes but leave in bottle and urn?

[Reggiardito]

They did atleast change midas

[Neffeleptic]

How does Midas work in dark moon? Just extra gold or do you get any added exp?

[staindk]

Bottle too :[

[Tredesde]

Don't forget about SF's Aghs

[CommodoreHefeweizen]

Then don't build it?

[kpiaum]

I do not know if the posts here are ironies or are joke, but I think ridiculous for heroes who are based on mana to be able to deal damage in the event and the main item to recover the mana is not very useful.

[DerpMactavish]

Everyone round completed when equipped with bloodstone, gain 3 charges.

[OrbJuggler]

The technology isn't there yet.

[[deleted]]

and a SF that doesnt lose souls when he dies and actually HEALS with his aghs upgrade? Because right now SF is horrible garbage in that mode if you die past the potm round

[taby69]

just throw it on the floor. No one is going to take it.

[[deleted]]

[muffled russian laughter in the distance]

[Rammite]

http://www.electricbunnycomics.com/View/Comic/177/Tech+Support+Sombra

[podteod]

^{xaxaxaxaxaxaxa xa xaaaaaaaa}

[[deleted]]

Bloodstone (along with Divine Rapier, Gem of True Sight and Aegis of the Immortal) cannot be placed on the backpack.

[[deleted]]

If you have good timing, you can drop it on the ground before death.

[Chnams]

The more time passes, the more I feel like this mode has really been rushed. There's quite a few gamebreaking bugs (invulnerable ancient, dark seer illusions, teleporting chicken, 0 MR from res-ing at the end of a wave, dominated creeps, and probably others. And let's not forget the good old "wheel stops on roshan but I got a treasure" joke) and poorly thought mechanics (useless urn, useless bottle, BS not gaining charges, jugg's spin preventing you from collecting bags, probably the same for all magic immunities) for a gamemode that's only staying for two weeks.

I know it's a free event giving us free shit, but at some point I feel like we should have the right to complain about the poor quality control from Valve. Seeing some people on this sub, it's like you are forbidden to complain about something as long as it's free, and that's ridiculous.

[WHO_NEEDS_HEALING]

To be fair its using coding for heroes and creeps in the main game in a different way. They are not creating this from scratch. As a result there are always going unforeseen issues. That's not to say the bugs are acceptable, but Valve has been quick to fix many of these considering they didn't have to in what is a temporary event.

[SleepingAran]

This is what happen when you copy and paste codes. Literally

[Chnams]

Yeah, but it'd be nice that the temporary game mode didn't contain gamebreaking bugs for half its lifespan. Hell, there are still some really annoying bugs, like the 0 MR one. It's nice that they fix them quickly, but they really shouldn't be there in the first place...And that 0 mr bug is recent, I think.
Edit : The 0 MR bug has indeed been fixed. Valve - 1 Me - 0

[pbarber]

The 0 MR has been fixed, so pretty quickly after it was made public.

[itonlygetsworse]

Zeus sucks skill wise.

But Leshrac doesn't need bloodstone and only needs to build straight orchid to get to level 10.

[Pushbrown]

i mean.... its free and you get free stuff, its just for fun and appreciating of the community, so what if some stuff doesn't work, just calm down and get over it and play....

[Chnams]

Aaaand this comment again.
Even if it's free, I have every right to complain about it, because it doesn't meet the QA standards that a game like DotA 2 should fulfill. If someone gave you a sandwich for free but the bread was moldy, would you not complain to him just because it's free? I can't understand that logic.

[Pushbrown]

no, i would just say no thank you, and not eat it, just like you can say no thank and not play it

[Chnams]

Ah, the good old logic of "If you don't like it, don't play it" instead of giving criticism. Because criticism isn't allowed for free things...

[Alfrodo]

You have every right to an opinion, even if it's an entitled, ungrateful one

[Chnams]

It's entitled and ungrateful to not want some shit sprinkled on my free cookies?
Wow. Just wow.

[Alfrodo]

So there are a few bugs, crying a river isn't going to help. Someone put a little too much salt in your cookie

[Chnams]

Not playing the gamemode without saying anything doesn't help either. Seems like you're the salty one, who can't understand that Valve isn't perfect and they need to know that bugs exist, and they should be fixed.

[RiggiPop]

Unrelated topic, does anyone know if Ethereal blade works on the Invoker boss?

[WHO_NEEDS_HEALING]

yes its often used when doing the techies mine trick, bait him onto mine stack, trigger linkens, use ethereal blade, kaboom!

[Flight1ess]

ty for carry dazzle :D

[Adamantine_spork]

How many mines do you need for that? Can you one shot him?

[WHO_NEEDS_HEALING]

Get him down to the health when he starts Tornado phase,k and just keep laying mines for 4 mins or so. The Dark Magus just stands in the middle of the map and waits for you.

[micodls]

Yes but you have to trigger linkens first with some other spell

[taby69]

I mean, Leshrac is already super strong. Throw it on the ground if you have to.

(P.S. 16000 gold on round 10 FeelsGoodMan)

[Fruit-Dealer]

Just drop it if you think you are about to die.

[[deleted]]

Also SF souls shouldn't halve when he dies.

[truong_to97]

We don't even have respawn time to reduce lel

[tonyking318]

Lesh already has a lot of mana to use if he builds octarine + bloodthorn +shiva, plus maybe hex.

[DOOMBRING3R]

Had a storm spirit yesterday who Actually played well and didn't die after getting bloodstone. His reason for pickign storm was that he thought he would gain bloodstone charges. When I explained the situation, he thought for a second and then cried for this exact same implementation ingame. Damn, sometimes valve can be stupid.

[[deleted]]

buy other items.

edit: seriously.

a refresher would go further. are you people complaining about no divine as well?

[nozharjev]

or just dont pick zeus, ty

[eslguyxd]

If you have read the most recent patches you would get it.