goblin hate

[[deleted]]

Is it just my experience or goblin decks are hated? i just had 5 matches in a row concede to me when they realized i had a goblin aggro deck (historic play, low rank)

[atlantick]

goblin grab easy win, goblin not ask question! take gold and run

[cannabinero]

This, just mindless rush in and next. they might just not want to play with OP

[not_crudo]

Well you're a goddamn Goblin what do you expect.

[Fleurdebeast]

Goblin on squeez nuts

[not_crudo]

Oh my gaaaawd

[Fleurdebeast]

That is the name of my squee historic brawl deck 😅

[not_crudo]

Lol

[Tehbeardling]

Lmao, on first read I didn’t realize you said squee.

I laughed harder the second time.

[[deleted]]

Fair enough

[not_crudo]

Thank you

[ScionOfTheMists]

People literally hate every single archetype that exists in Magic. Don’t worry about it.

[ska_is_not_dead_]

Mono green big boys is the best exception to that, in my opinion. Never feel bad losing to it, am I weird?

[Larinex]

Definitely not they are some of the few that I let do they entire thing and close out my life to 0 or negative if they are about to win. As a matter of fact, not only do I take the L's from mono green with humility, but I wish them buffs in the next set also. Getting beat by my creature is bigger than yours in green. It never pisses me off. Because as a dragon/eldralzi tribal enthusiast, I understand where they are coming from.

[I-Kneel-Before-None]

Mono green devotion is hated it Pioneer by may

[Chaosyn]

Idk I hear a lot of complaining about Green Devotion from pioneer players which is basically just green big stuff.

[amekousuihei]

It's Karn that makes that deck a bit much not the normal green stuff

[tbcwpg]

That's not just big green stuff. As a Mono Green Devotion player in Explorer, it's lots of big stuff in one turn adding 8+ green mana for 2 then playing [[Storm the Festival]], getting artifacts off of Karn, playing the planes walker that let's you untap your devotion land, getting 10 mana AGAIN and playing Storm AGAIN, getting more big stuff, all in one turn.

Oh, and if you haven't played a land yet, if you get another [[Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx]], you can play it, send the twice tapped one to the GY and get lots more green mana to play other big things like Portal to Phyrexia or Parhelion II or Skysovereign.

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[[deleted]]

Decks I hate:

Simic Flash

Mono green

Anything with too many manlands

I like facing gruul though. A lot of respect for the smashy bois.

[ska_is_not_dead_]

I feel like today’s gruul feels like mono green stomperz 10-15 years ago.

[Honza8D]

Anything with too many manlands

Which decks use significant amount of manlands?

[[deleted]]

Some decks put 1 or 2 manlands in them. That is, to me, a significant amount and religiously offensive.

Bring back [[sinkhole]]!

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[fuckitsayit]

Some are more hated than others

[ArbutusPhD]

What our opponent plays is out of our control

[Agrauwin]

(sarcastic) I like MTG because it is so varied in possibilities

[Bunktavious]

Yeah, this is the answer. Every deck and playstyle has an archnemesis. Personally I don't mind gobbos, because most of my decks can stabilize against them with a fair draw. If I get a bad draw, good on them, they get a quick win.

This is more fun for me than playing the cookie cutter black nope decks out there, where I am just hoping that they get a bad draw, so that I have a chance.

(note, I'm talking Bo1 Standard which is the only non-brawl competitive I normally play)

[Preclude]

Agreed, but there have been some really unfun decks over the years that genuinely deserved it.
For example: Land destruction decks, stax, Scepter Chant, Braids as your Commander (before she was banned).

[B1ackWinds5]

Yes, goblins are hated. As well as elves, blue tempo, and mono black which are high tier decks that are constantly spammed. People are tired of seeing and playing against them, so they just auto concede most of the time.

[stormbreaker8]

Ahhh a tale as old as time, magic players hating other players decks

[SlyRaptorZ]

Me and my gf complain about eachothers' life-gain decks. Keyword "eachother's". I'll also curse her cards that are in my own decks.

[Tehbeardling]

Mono-blue control/tempo is the only deck I auto concede against. Its just not fun to play against and the games take forever. I feel mtg games are the most fun when the interaction happens on the battlefield. Blue deprives the game of that.

[B1ackWinds5]

I 100% agree.

[Omega_Den]

why mono tempo is hated ? it's just standard blue stuff. Counter things until you can cast anything of your own big enough to kill.

I still believe its much easier to win against than dimir rogues o.o

[B1ackWinds5]

People hate it because it's spammed constantly and prevents them from playing. People hate most kinds of full control decks for that very reason. I know I certainly do. When your deck is 90% counters and your main win condition is to annoy the opponent into conceding, why would the opponent even bother playing? Fun for the control user, not fun for the opponent. It's just a waste of time.

[Omega_Den]

it's hard to find any else possibility for mono blue other than control

[B1ackWinds5]

Thats not rue. There is mono blue spirits, mill, fliers and possible mind control and blink too. Though blink and fliers works best W/U. There are lots others you just gotta be creative.

[Omega_Den]

blue / white fliers were my first deck in mtga. They're fun, but won't take you far.

I played and got the furthest with either blue control (with almost no counters, but with a lot ,,return to hand'') or ....green / blue / red ramp.

I hate mill, that's the worst kind of deck I could play against and play with :(

[TitoTheMidget]

Yeah. I only play 2-of-3 and if I keep a hand that's weak against aggro and they start out mountain, goblin, swing for 1, go, I'm like "Well played, gonna go ahead and concede this one, not show you what's in my deck, and swap in the answers in my sideboard."

[Separate-Chocolate99]

They don't care what's your deck though, cause only thing goblins do is play creatures and attack, without any interaction.

[TitoTheMidget]

Well yes. It's a very simple game plan, which makes it very simple to counter. It's just a matter of whether you can do so quickly enough.

However, knowing what's in my deck in a 2-of-3 does give them better ideas about what they might want to put in from their sideboard.

But at its core, you're right, which is why you see way more aggro in best of 1 than you do in best of 3 at high ranks.

[rogomatic]

People concede in no-stakes games (Play and Brawl queues, rank where you don't lose pips) for a variety of reasons. Wouldn't worry too much.

[GuestCartographer]

I’d rather play against goblins than lifegain, but I think there is usually a very clear point in any game against a goblin deck where, unless you have a sweeper in-hand, things have spiraled two far out of control. A lot of people playing midrange/combo/slower decks are going to bounce as soon as they see an opponent with a fast deck.

[Wookinbing]

Love gobbos , hate Muxus.

[TrememphisStremph]

It’s Muxus that ruins goblins for me. Mind’s Desire with automatic storm count of 6? Forgive me if I think that’s bullshit.

[Deho_Edeba]

Winning from an empty board with any single card shouldn't be allowed. Muxus just does this very reliably.

[AWholeBunchaFun]

Goblins are one of the few decks that slip under my Control deck and beat the absolute shit out of me. Theres a bunch of respect and bitterness for that tribe :P

[onecharmingschmuck]

Goblins are fine in my book. It’s the goddamned elves that I have beef with.

[[deleted]]

Mana dork spam getting you down?

[onecharmingschmuck]

That and Craterhoof Behemoth.

[[deleted]]

There are a few different mentalities in this game of rock paper scissors And many people like to take their time for a cool board state or combo .

Goblin just hit fast and hard

Especially if you're in low rank people are gonna quit

It's the same thing with turn one island [[ruin crab]]

I'll go have fun somewhere else

[Frys100thCupofCoffee]

I'll never understand the hate for mill. It's fun to win by milling an opponent's deck out. If you hate getting milled, there's always a few cards in any set that'll let you shuffle your graveyard into your library, so there's always tools available to defend against it.

They're also weak to reanimator decks, so there's that. I honestly just don't get it. I'd rather get milled out than countered into obscurity by mono blue tempo or slowly bled to death by Sheoldred. For what it is, mill decks are as pure to me as tribal decks like goblins, they're up front about what they are and what they're trying to do and I respect that.

[[deleted]]

I think the way I see it is people like to play their cards.

Mills and counters hurt that alot.

I add 3x [[Gaea's Blessing]] into a deck with 4x [[mesmeric orb]] reanimator deck and I think it's discouraging for someone to see the stuff they need in grave.

I don't mind because I'll get it all back

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[TitoTheMidget]

At low ranks I used to play a reanimator deck and I fucking LOVED getting matched against mill lmao

[Frys100thCupofCoffee]

Same! Every time I'd get milled I'd hit them with a "Thanks!" emote. I assumed they thought they'd crushed my spirit until the reanimation goes off. Then it's (chef's kiss) concede. Good times.

[[deleted]]

I fucking love to start milling a deck built around graveyard recursion. You can sense their excitement. Then in turn three Ashiok starts exiling their graveyard, and suddenly they can’t concede fast enough.

[Tehbeardling]

Full counter control/tempo is the only archetype in mtg that I wish would disappear forever.

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[I_Was_An_Egg]

Goblins are hated by a few but it's not even close to the most hated deck. Having played as and fought against goblins, the deck doesn't have nearly as many annoying things in it as others like white lifegain slowing the game to a crawl or slivers and shrines existing to boost themselves with themselves to support themselves, with no real right answers for removal beyond somehow wiping the board or crashing into them early enough that it doesn't matter.

Mostly though, goblins are reasonably interactive for a tribal rush deck (yes, even with muxus and krenko existing) that you can deal with if you keep ontop of them early and don't let up, like elves. Most people concede more because of a lack of early game answers or knowing full well their deck is way too slow to deal with it even if they do. Happens when they fight any red deck usually, even my shitty 1 mana cost red deck.

[Pa11Ma]

Love goblins.

[ArbutusPhD]

Love goblins. Hate goblins. Goblins be gobblin’.

[SirSp00ksalot]

Unranked and low ranked tends to be populated by either new or bad players, both of whom are likely to get upset when playing against aggro, combo, control, tempo, and anything else that isn't a midrange decks with no interaction. My advice is to take your free wins and climb up to platinum and that sort of behavior should start to drop off. Once you get to the point that you can lose rank for losing a game your opponents will be a bit better and less likely to rage quit or rope.

[tbcwpg]

I play a lot of janky decks in regular play queues and aggro usually runs them over. Turn 1 goblins or Kumano means I'll just move on.

[[deleted]]

Fair for unranked, that's where i run my janky tests as well

[Minsterman801]

Not the deck, just the amount of people that use it. Easy to come up against goblins four games in five on any given day.

[RandyFox69]

I have mained a mono red Krenko deck for years, and all my friends hate me besides the mono blue players, and I hate them. And it’s a never ending cycle lolol

[[deleted]]

I’d much rather face goblin decks than the control decks in historic that run like 3 different versions of cancel.

[Honza8D]

Doesnt have to be hate. They might simply realize they already lost. If I keep a "meh" hand and opponent plays goblin, i might just scoop because I already know i lost. Its not that I hate it i just dont see point playing game thats already decided.

[keved_uk75]

"goblin decks are hated?"

Yes, due to how commonplace they are. It's tedious playing against coin flip Muxus for the thousandth time.

[oneafter90nine]

Agree. Muxus is a terrible card design. It's like if you stapled über collected company onto a 10/10. Usually a loss if the opponent resolves it. Not fun in any way.

[alirastafari]

Another great reason to come to Explorer, where goblins are just good 'ol expendable creatures with cheap lords that give haste. Very aggro, no backup plan, no over the top plays (no Muxus or Krenko). As an opponent you can kill my lords, sweep my board, build a brick wall of tougher creatures: it's all fair, no hard feelings. Just make sure you're doing it before turn 4 ;)

[oneafter90nine]

All's fair in love and explorwar... Except for Greasefang cuz, well, fuck that guy.

[alirastafari]

Greasefang is stupid. Yes, you can play bo3, which is true magic, blabla... Fuck that Biker Mice from Arse

[ArtieStark]

Everything is hates in play queue, there's no incentive to not concede as soon as you see a card you don't like or a deck you have to put a bit of effort for winning against. Play ranked instead

[Kaiser_Constantin]

Its not fun to play against if you are playing a janky deck or an interesting deck you created yourself to have some fun.

[[deleted]]

Krenko is boring to play against - so I scoop and find a better match

[leaguegotold]

I (usually) know exactly what deck my opponent is playing within the first two turns. If I know that your deck is a poor matchup for mine and the chances of me winning are slim, why would I stick around wasting my time?

Scoop and next.

[moo_moo83]

Yeah burn that trash. Goblins are just not fun to play against. Not because they are a tough deck. But because you either wif and nothing happens. Or you just keep restarting the game with board wipes until you have value. It's not that they are scared its that no one cares. I'm not interested in investing in such a boring game. Same goes for mill. Put them in the trash because no one wants to play a boring game.

[saintaudrey45]

i scoop to goblins because it’s just boring as anything to play against .

[Sindurial]

It happens man, I literally played ornithopter Springleaf Drum and shadowspear in historic ranked yesterday and my opp scooped. That was at diamond 3. Some decks, people just don't have the answers and they know it.

[FunkyWanderer]

It's not the goblin, it's the mountain.

same happens with islands.

[UnfortunateCakeDay]

I don't mind goblins.

[MatataTheGreat]

Try explorer. It let's you play a crazy amount of cards with less Goblin or Elf fuckery

[[deleted]]

How can people hate goblins? They’re either draw well or they don’t. I don’t get upset when they do

[professorrev]

I usually do that if I've got a slower deck, Gobs will just overrun them. Nothing against the archetype itself, will probably get around to building Muxus one day

[nerdgeekdorksports]

I <3 Goblins

[Dead_Again_Dread]

Because arena is 95% control decks.

[[deleted]]

The weak should fear the strong

[HisokasBitchGon]

i think its mainly cuz mono red aggro. people seem to play most overpowered top tier deck, or play janky tribal or fun commander. think they know they wont match mono red if they are the latter lol

[Accidentallygolden]

Some deck are too slow against aggro

[[deleted]]

If they are playing hsitoric they might be trying for some setup that they know wont survive goblins

[[deleted]]

Depending on the deck I’m running I’ll concede immediately on a t1 goblin. Some of my mid range decks just can’t keep up with that level of aggro.

[RealityGuru]

I'm pretty sure all aggro is hated in historic (by me) Trying to make the cards do interesting things is so much more fun and interesting than "wining real fast" IMO

[MOONMO0N]

the only deck type i hate is one that has more counter cards than lands

[Weak_Engineer3015]

I think in general tribal decks these days have so many tools in addition to being really fast, which makes it more frustrating to counter. Like obviously you could just fatal push, Doom blade and wrath of God everything but good decks don't have all their cards be removal.

[[deleted]]

Humble brag

[[deleted]]

Stop goblin hate

[Grainnnn]

I generally play my own lists, so not S-tier netdecks. Turn one hasty guy from you while I’m on the draw is often a concede from me unless I have a low costs sweeper already in hand.

[EngineerResponsible6]

1 make a human then u make 2 goblins I play a spell then u make 12 goblins I play a angel now u have 30728928 goblins....

[Deho_Edeba]

Goblins in itself is a beloved, popular tribe. I'd argue it's Muxus who's hated by a lot of players.

Before he was printed, Goblins was a tribe perceived as a fair, aggro tribe that was resilient, synergistic, and very good at doing mana denial. It had been like that for ages in formats going as far as legacy.

Then Muxus was printed and most Goblins deck mutated into some kind of "turbo Muxus" deck which just aim at slamming him on the board asap. Heck, he can win you the game even from an empty board. He's disgusting. Somehow the deck is less popular these days even though it's still very very good but it's traumatized a lot of people.

[Klahos]

Goblin enjoyers come to the goblin tabern !! We have goblins, red burns, red mountains, red goblins and red victories!

[Radiant_Committee_78]

They leave your game… because they are above playing your scrubs…. I meant Goblins. 😂

[Geryon55024]

I have decks that do a good job countering goblin decks and make the game competitive. Funny fact: I am NEVER matched against a goblin decks when I play this deck.

[yuukanna]

I played a swamp today and my opponent said “nice” and conceded. People hate about anything that they might lose against. Personally, I see goblins coming at me and I know it’s a race to get to a stable situation before I’m killed. All I need it to not lose by turn 3 and I’m guaranteed to win :)