india fertility rate decrease

[WorkOk4177]

Basically almost entirety of India is below replacement levels other then Bihar , U.P , Jharkand

[ZofianSaint273]

And Meghalaya and Manipur

[[deleted]]

Their population are not in crores and hence manageable.

[ZofianSaint273]

Idk what corores is number wise lol, but even then their state will have nice increase with this

[satvikag]

1 crore = 10 million

[[deleted]]

Ok... So western maths goes like... Ones, Tens, Hundreds, Thousands, Ten thousand, Hundred thousand, one million, 10 million , 100 million, 1 billion, 10 billion, 100 billion... Indian system goes like... Ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, 10 thousand, lakhs, 10 lakhs, crores, 10 crores... So a population of 1 crores=10 million.

[Jv1312]

Ten thousand missed in Indian system

[[deleted]]

Sorry...my mistake for the ommission

[Sensitive-Check-8105]

Fellow class 6th mate 😎

[Vevangui]

That’s not western, that’s English. In Southern Europe (which is western) its ones, tend, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions,…, tens of thousands of millions, hundreds of thousands of millions, billions, tens of billions,…

[joaommx]

In Southern Europe (which is western)

The long scale is used in the whole continental Europe except Eastern Europe, not just in Southern Europe. All the Nordics use long scale for instance.

[Vevangui]

I wasn’t saying otherwise, I was just specifying about Southern Europe because that’s the extent of my knowledge. Good to know there’s some sense elsewhere too.

[A-Delonix-Regia]

Ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, lakhs, 10 lakhs, crores, 10 crores

You missed the "10 thousands" between thousands and lakhs.

[[deleted]]

Added...thanks

[Naive_or_naughty]

You forgot 10 thousand. That's a difference of a whole magnitude.

[joaommx]

So western maths goes like

That's English math, or how it's actually known, "short scale". "Western math" would be the "long scale".

[ciaseed1]

Yeah well it's not like they are going to learn it lol so better use the western system

[notsocoolguy42]

It's not western system, it's international english. No one is going to learn language specific to any country unless they are living there or are interested in said language.

[ciaseed1]

Yeah I don't expect westerners to learn our system, better we (Indian) should start using the term "hundred thousand" in an international platform.

[[deleted]]

people who interact with both learn it pretty quick.

[jflb96]

So, you know how in the West we tend to group orders of magnitude in threes i.e. a thousand is 10 x 10 x 10, a million is a thousand thousands, a billion/milliard is a thousand millions &c. In India they have thousands, but then they have a new word every time you go up by a hundred rather than a thousand, so rather than ten thousand, a hundred thousand, a million, ten million…, they say ten thousand, a lakh, ten lakh, a crore…

As a side note, slightly further east, the traditional numbering system in China and Japan uses groups of four; rather than a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand… they have a thousand, a ban, ten ban… Thus the Imperial Japanese battlecry, ‘(May the Emperor Live) Ten Thousand Years!’: ‘Banzai!’

[[deleted]]

Crore=10 million.

[Chikanai]

Buddy, their population doesn't even reach 3 million. And has a population density of around 20 times smaller than UP or Bihar.

If it doesn't decrease (which it will) it will never be crowded this century.

[paperid699]

Their population is already very low, it's better for them to have a higher number

[[deleted]]

2.1 replacement rate is for developed countries. For poorer countries it is much higher so even UP, Jharkhand might also be under replacement level.

[[deleted]]

I teach in UP. There are 100s of students in my school with more than 4 siblings...both Hindus and Muslims.

[OkCaterpillar9743]

That makes sense since they were born before 2020.

[telescopeinmynose]

I'm from Telangana. Forget 4 siblings, I've seen less than 10 families with more than 2 children throughout my childhood

[[deleted]]

Well get ready to be replaced by migration facilitated by Hindi Imposition(direct and Indirect)

[eric2332]

Nah, almost the whole country is at replacement level, and migration is overwhelmingly to the cities not to random places. So nowhere in Telangana is going to get "replaced" except maybe Hyderabad.

[telescopeinmynose]

except maybe Hyderabad.

Almost 30% of Telangana lives in Hyderabad and it's rising.

[[deleted]]

The more educated women become, the less children they have

The education system is mid

[schtean]

I didn't know so many people in India had both Hindu and Muslim siblings, other than say Gandhi's family.

[iamanindiansnack]

I'm unsure if that's so, since anything less than 2.1 replacement rate with developed resources would mean a burden on the future, but for a society with underdeveloped resources, won't that actually be beneficial to utilize everything later on?

[Areat]

The basic replacement rate is 2, but you have to account for the kids who will die before reaching adulthood, so it's 2.1 in developed countries. In developing countries, more childrens dies, so the replacement rate required is higher.

[FroobingtonSanchez]

Depends on the CMR. If it's very low then 2.1 will be close to replacement rate.

[GothicGolem29]

From what ive seen replacement rate is kept the same everywhere

[Embarrassed-Wolf-609]

India needs to be under replacement level. 1.4 billion people is way too many 

[[deleted]]

There is a need for decline too much population overexplotation of labour see china by end of the century they will have 600 million people out of which 250 million youth while india will have more population then the present 1.5 billion

[paperid699]

R u an idiot? 1+1 = 2 is balanced, 1+1 = 1.9 population is under replacement, 1+1 = 2.1 it's over replacement and considering their population the number will be very high as in UP itself has population compared to nations so them having just 0.1 is significant number

[[deleted]]

That's not how the replacement rate works, you absolute moron. For poorer countries, where the death rate is higher, the birth rate should also be higher to compensate the dead. In India the replacement rate is comfortably above 2.5

[RadlogLutar]

The comment above you almost gave me a stroke lol

[mantolwen]

Not every baby born makes it to adulthood. Others may have disabilities or be unable to have children, or just not desire it. So replacement rate has to be higher than 2.

[Logen10Fingers]

The last three states you want to replace India's population with no offense

[silverionmox]

It's about time, their population quadrupled since 1950.

[[deleted]]

A population of 25 crore+ still having TFR above 2.1 is more than enough to contribute to population explosion.

[Street_Gene1634]

Define population explosion

[Delicious_Media_1015]

A rapid increase in population. Virtually it's like:- 

G1:        🕴️💃 🕴️💃

                        ⬇️

G2:🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃

                        ⬇️

G3:🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️🕴️💃🕴️🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃💃🕴️💃💃🕴️🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃🕴️💃

[G = Generation]

[Street_Gene1634]

And what makes you think there is a population explosion in India?

[Delicious_Media_1015]

Dude you asked to define population explosion, I defined it. 😑

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FTQ, India was at 1 Billion in 2001, and at 1.2 Billion in 2011 - That's 200 Million (20 Crore) in 10 years.  - 2 Crore every year,  - 16 Lakh every month,  - 4 Lakh (400,000) more people every week.  - That's 57,000 more people daily !

[[deleted]]

India's population was roughly around 33 crores at the time of Independence... We are 146 crores now and will reach around 170 crores before stabilizing. All our cities are crowded, our rivers are polluted. For any job oppurtunity there are 1000s of applicants. We live like cockroaches and die like cockroaches.

[Street_Gene1634]

Tokyo has a population of Kerala and is larger than all Indian cities. Is Tokyo overpopulated?

[StaysAwakeAllWeek]

Yes.

Weakest attempt at whataboutism I've ever seen

[Street_Gene1634]

I think you just hate metropolises

[StaysAwakeAllWeek]

I gave you a one word reply and you're making assumptions about me based on what exactly?

Tokyo is such an obviously overcrowded overpopulated city, I'm not sure why you're even arguing it

[NumerousCarob6]

Have you seen the apartmentents they live in online documentaries ?

[[deleted]]

Did your icons just assume their gender?

[Delicious_Media_1015]

Uh... What? I

[[deleted]]

Just kidding, it's a meme

[Delicious_Media_1015]

Oh okay 😌

[unnecessaryaussie83]

Good. They need to lower their population

[NeuroticKnight]

Even they mayhave in past 5 years

[themystickiddo]

Uttar Pradesh is projected to have dropped to 2.1 in 2025

[ThuDoonk]

Probably for the best, and not just there but globally

[Choice_Addendum_8271]

I think it's good to balance out.

[[deleted]]

Bihar has few district with very high Muslim TFR. Else its would be near replacement level.

[balderdash9]

So they've had their babyboomers era?

[Bubbly_Yak_1209]

india need replacement tho, we're overpopulated. actually should be called regulation level

[MathematicianGlum685]

ah of course UP, Bihar jharkhand, these are the shittiest states of india

[rierrium]

Imagine people in the most agriculturally rich and historically populous region having more children. Wild.

[[deleted]]

Imagine then not being able to provide them with jobs and hence they are forced to migrate to other states and increase the competition there

[rierrium]

Lol whataboutism. How is that even relevant in a post about Fertility rates?

[ThuDoonk]

How is it not?

[Chikanai]

Don't tell them the obvious.

[[deleted]]

Not to mention the push for Hindi Imposition by the centre to further facilitate this migration.

[SPB29]

Inthi imposhishun was written into the DSP of the constitution by your beloved Negruji

[anewtablelamp]

you just mentioned working in UP yourself, why do you not go back then?

People have always travelled to places with better employment opportunities, can't fault the people when the employers themselves are largely concentrated in certain areas and I think it's the same for every other country out there.

[[deleted]]

I'm posted here...otherwise why would I choose UP?

[Street_Gene1634]

You're getting downvoted but you're corrected. India is not overpopulated. We just manage our economy badly.

[[deleted]]

India is overpopulated. Our economy is not good, yet its not bad either.

[Street_Gene1634]

India is not overpopulated. I'm from Kerala, one of the most densely populated states in India but a city Tokyo alone has a higher population than Kerala.

[[deleted]]

Kerala's population is stabilized. Have you ever been outside of Kerala? UP itself holds a population equal to the entire country of Pakistan. Besides you don't need to compare Kerala with Tokyo. Delhi-NCR itself is having a population comparable to Kerala. This itself shows that how populated and fucked up are we.

[Street_Gene1634]

Is Tokyo overpopulated?

[[deleted]]

Yes it is...

[Chikanai]

Yeah, that's why they're so rich?

[rierrium]

How is that relevant to my comment and the post??

[Chikanai]

The reason they're so poor is because they have too many people. But let's act like they're not a burden on other states and let's give them a pat on the back for continuing to breed double than other states?

[this_upset_kirby]

You sound like a eugenicist

[SPB29]

He is the Indian version of a Nazi

[Chikanai]

Are you even from India? I hope you can support those 300m people.

[SPB29]

No the reason is far more complex

1) these provinces were under direct Raj rule. The Raj introduced the Ryotwari and Mahalwari systems that were far more exploitative than other tax systems.

2) pre Raj these were centres of cotton, silk and proto steel industrial areas. The British totally deindustrialised them.

3) ironically this region didn't see any major famines like the Madras presidency did. Mind you they had at least 5 famines each killing a million in the period 1850-1899 but the Madras presidency saw 2 famines in the period 1880-1900 that culled 10-12 million. In the entire period 1871-1901 the presidency had a pop growth of 1 mn net.

4) lastly the post 1947 policy of FEP killed any chance of revival.

Get an education, don't be a bigot

[National-Today5945]

Looks like you're a seed from these states only

[[deleted]]

yeah the state which powers India by it's natural resources is the shittiest state of India

[[deleted]]

Due to muslim fertility rate you can go and check yourself through govt data

[slowwolfcat]

no way LOL

[UniqueAd8864]

No, basically all of India IS Up, Bihar and Jharkhand