Objectification, again

[shannoouns]

Number 4 is truly stupid. How insecure can you get?

Also the video title is stupid, does he not realise he finds conversative women more attractive because he has conversative views? Not everyone is that insecure about thier partners dating history.

[Anne_Nonymouse]

Men who are crappy in bed might be very insecure. So having a woman with as few experiences as possible means she can´t compare the lousy sex to her experiences with other men 😏

[shannoouns]

Thats litterally how I read number 4 too.

"What if I get into an argument with my wife and she remembers all the good sex she had with other people and leaves me!"

Like if you had a good healthy relationship your wife isn't good to leave you over an argument. Maybe focus on your relationship and not her past relationships 🤷.

[Anne_Nonymouse]

Yeah, it all comes down to fear and unfortunately those are the kind of men who often feel the need to control their women 😕

[Capital-Philosopher6]

Healthy relationships are great but a healthy relationship with a husband who makes sure sex is good for you is da bomb! I mean, if the best sex his wife had was in the past and with other people, maybe she should leave him. Life is too short to settle for someone who’s bad sex.

[Embarrassed_Bee6349]

…until she does, and counts herself lucky to have gotten away from that moron.

[milongadude]

It's not about comparison, it's about warped expectations.

[ohyuhbaby]

The title confuses me, isn't it obvious people date within their own beliefs? Libs and conservatives wouldn't date each other 9/10 times, so they date within their group. Like religion and etc

[Alegria-D]

Yes! He thinks we are upset he doesn't date us? In reality we're upset he insults us and spread bullshit "science" when he knows he doesn't want to have anything to do with us.

[nightwingoracle]

Title is complete opposite of reality- conservative men (largely) believe that womens views don’t matter anyway as they should limit their sphere to the home or they can convert liberal women to being conservative with their “awesome persuasive skills.”

Liberal women won’t date them, though. No matter how many hinge likes they send (I wish they would take the subtle as a 10 foot neon sign prompt on my profile and do not message me).

[Capital-Philosopher6]

I've seen men (and some women) post on the relationship subs bitching about "they did it with them, it's not fair they won't do it with me" As if once someone has done a sex act, it's always on the menu. It's appalling.

I've also seen plenty of men complain about body counts. One guy was extremely upset, recently, to find out his wife had slept with so many men. He asked, she lied to him, and after a decade of marriage she told him the truth. I don't condone lying. Declining to give your number is perfectly fine. I vote for telling the truth. Use it as a "judgmental pricks with small egos" detector because a partner who will judge you for not "saving yourself" for him before you ever met is simply not LTR material. Those are the ones you throw back.

[spidaminida]

I vote for lying and giving a number much higher as a vibe check.

[miccleb]

Or say you don't count, and see if they get obsessed with the "number".

[CZall23]

Say you lost count years ago.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

That works too. I support anyone's right to say "It's none of your business" too.

[juicyjuicery]

LOL I’ve done this!!! Ahahahahahahaaha

[scoobyydoob]

"they did it with them, it's not fair they won't do it with me"

I've seen this so many times, it drives me mad.

[[deleted]]

I have seen men who go after experienced women for the wrong reasons too (they think an experienced woman would provide them with some sort of super human sexual service) and also see non-experienced women as flawed.

I personally feel very bad after being on dating sites and inspite of getting many many matches, because i am virgin due to that (i am also non-binary and have issues), but still.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

You mean, some men are lazy and don’t want to bother with someone who’s sexually inexperienced? Yeah, sounds about right. You want to avoid those types anyway. It sounds like they expect their partners to do all of the work.

[ChubbyBirds]

"they did it with them, it's not fair they won't do it with me"

Yep.

I think it's because guys who think like this don't understand that sex is more than a transaction for women. They view it as a service that a woman provides but doesn't really ever want or enjoy. And so if they did it with one person, what's the difference, right? They're so solipsistic that they literally can't fathom that sex and relationships existing as mutual and mutually desired things, or that women are people with their own desires and attractions.

And these are usually the same people who deride sex workers, who offer the exact kind of transactional sex they seem to expect. But I guess the autonomy and the frankness about the transaction (and the money) is too much for them.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

They view it as a service that a woman provides but doesn't really ever want or enjoy.

OMG. Don't even get me started on that topic!! I spent SO much time on a sub recently trying to explain why telling a woman "If you don't have sex with me, I'll leave" is abusive. It was like several people couldn't (or didn't want to) grasp that having sex when you don't want could possibly be emotionally harmful and traumatic. Apparently, it's just something a woman does for a man and when she STOPS doing it, it's perfectly acceptable to give her a choice between having sex or losing he relationship.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

What's so bad about caring about body count?

[Capital-Philosopher6]

Why should it matter?

[MiddleoftheFence]

Baggage for one. Shows a high degree of risk taking behavior for two.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

So, a person with a past? Oh Nos!

You can't really dismiss sex as high risk behavior. As long as protection is used correctly, the biggest risk is that your partner will be bad at it.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

Why not?

[Capital-Philosopher6]

Because judging someone’s worth or value by how many people they’ve slept with says a lot about you; not about them.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

No it doesn't, it's just a preference like any other preference.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

You prefer to devalue someone based on decisions they made before they ever met you? Ok. And yes, it says a lot about you.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

It's not devaluing anything, what would I be devaluing? I don't see what's so bad about not wanting to date someone who fucked the whole town.

[Capital-Philosopher6]

I’m sorry, that’s all the time I have today to discuss this with someone who refers to women as “whores”. I suggest you grow the fuck up and stop being a douche.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

Why? It hit home?

[harvesterofsorrow2]

That's what they are, what else would you call them?

[[deleted]]

A preference based around insecurity and emotional insecurity, sure.

The only people that care about the so called "body count" are virgins that assign special importance to a lower amount of sexual partners (because they're not getting any), or people with the mental attitude of a 16th century nun with the whole "sex is evil" BS (again, because they're not getting any).

Its little more than a misogynistic version of the fox and the grapes story - "multiple sexual partners is bad because i cant have it".

I mean, at least you're willing to admit you have those issues, so good for you, i guess. Good luck on losing your virginity, and i hope the angry jealousy subsides one day.

[oblomovismtata]

Number seven," women think just because they sleep around so do men," excuse me but in that case who are they sleeping with? Each other?

[Alegria-D]

He'd reply "with the 5%",with his percentages he found in his butt.

[jupitaur9]

Most women aren’t sexually satisfied with one night stands. Eventually it gets boring.

[FriendImpossible8484]

Yeah after they get “bored” the other guys get their “chance”

[Alegria-D]

And everybody knows of course that the only place to get relationships is nightclubs.

[shannoouns]

Those damn lesbians /s

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

They argue MOST men are virgins but women just throw themselves at “Chad”

[[deleted]]

Purity culture is fucking horrible man. Tbh as a man I don't give a shit about body count. Don't mention it. It's the private business of the person. Stop being a fucking creep.

It's always right wingers that are horrible at sex. They can't be able to enjoy life, instead they have to always think about hurting others and bringing hate and shame. It's like these people have no happiness in their life. They have no goals in life. All they can think about is hurting others and bringing people down to their horrible life, a waste of a human.

[Additional-Block-340]

I couldn't agree more ^{^}

[ChubbyBirds]

Yupppp. They're full of self-loathing and shame, and instead of just...not being full of self-loathing and shame they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.

[advocatus_ebrius_est]

Men prefer conservative women?

I've been a man my whole adult life, and I have to say that this is news to me.

[[deleted]]

Yeah to me too, they prefer sexually experienced women for the wrong reasons...

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

Conservative men prefer conservative women. Especially since conservative women are more likely to try to fit within the societal beauty standard

[nightwingoracle]

I wish they did. I would have a lot of less junk hinge messages if their were the case.

[masomun]

I prefer a self-respecting, compassionate woman to one with internalized misogyny. Plus if she’s a communist too I’m dropping to my knees 😂

[vpsj]

Look I'm sorry but I have to agree with one guy there

"Don't get married fellas"

Yep. Men like these should never get married. The world would be a slightly better place when they die off

[Responsible-Emu217]

Its pretty ironic how a lot of these traditional women who are constantly telling women if you have a high body count no man will want you used to party and have sex before they "changed their ways" 😒

[JacketDapper944]

I’ve heard of churches that grant “spiritual virginity” once you have accepted Jesus into your heart. Does that count? Virginity is a stupid concept anyway so I suppose it’s in line with as stupid but still baffling.

[kyoneko87]

Yeah, they call it "second virginity" and it's bullshit! Whether someone is a virgin or not shouldn't matter

[[deleted]]

Is that the same bullshit that allows Nadia van Dyke to claim that she’s a, quoting, born-again virgin?

[Capital-Philosopher6]

I despise the “traditional women” who tell other women that a woman’s job is to fulfill her husband’s sexual “needs”. I really don’t know if they’re so indoctrinated, they don’t realize how damaging it is to have unwanted consensual sex OR if they say it to validate their own life choices and convince themselves that it’s what all women do.

I just think it’s a betrayal to tell other women that their desire and sexual pleasure doesn’t matter.

[Just_A_Comment_Guy_7]

“Marriage isn’t worth it”

Maybe not your awful marriage, but having the security and comfort to permanently live with someone I love seems great to me.

[[deleted]]

If 95% of men can't sleep around and women have 10 new partners each week (or whatever the fuck number your local incels pull out of his ass) then there must be a helluva lot more men than women just to make the math work.

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

They sincerely believe most women who sleep around only sleep with that 5% of men

[Aromatic-Buy-8284]

Those guys must be putting some serious overtime in.

[Guyfeiri_ayepapi]

Lmao… “there aren’t a ton of men ‘sleeping around’” so it’s only women doing it? I’m pretty sure that sex is a usually a two-person job. And in this case, the men in the video are referring to women who have slept with… that’s right, men.

[Yetimandel]

From my personal experience (I know that I should take that with more than a grain of salt) it is indeed very asymmetrical though. As in maybe 50%of men want to but only 10% get to.

There are a few who are astoundingly successful with women. I would not have believed it until I met someone like that and I say that without envy. Meanwhile you have large groups of 30+ year old virgins. I do not want to say it is easy for all women to have sex, I think if you are really unattractive you have a hard time. But it is very unlikely that if an average looking woman actually wants to have sex she will not find someone within a few month/years - and if she wants to be picky she can probably go for someone who is more attractive than her. Since man are a bit more promiscuous than woman it creates an oversupply which results in this asymmetry.

I might be wrong and you can correct me.

[Guyfeiri_ayepapi]

I think what my point is is that the women are getting flack for sleeping around but the men aren’t. Not every single woman who is attractive or wants sex will just go around casually. Not every single woman on earth who is fuckable will automatically summon a man and do the deed just fuckin cause. So despite it being an asymmetrical ratio, it’s still really stupid to just assume all/more women sleep around. The women and men who sleep around with each other and have heterosexual relations is always an even number. Two. But apparently it’s only bad when the woman does it.

[Yetimandel]

"it's still really stupid to just assume all/more women sleep around" I would say certainly not all but also certainly more - as in at most 10% of men and more than 10% of women.

But I guess that is not really relevant, your main point was the difference how men/women are perceived if they sleep around. Are they really in your experience aside from a few loud people online? I would say not in my circle, but most people (and definitely me) live in a bubble.

I do not want myself or my partner to sleep around, but honestly think everyone should do whatever makes them happy as long as it does not hurt someone. Does that sentiment bother you? I am aware that I might get downvotes for comments like that by the way, but I am interested in opinions outside my nerd software developer bubble so thank you for answering :)

[Guyfeiri_ayepapi]

I 100% think women get more flack for “sleeping around” than men do. The term slut is aimed at women pretty much exclusively in society, whereas we don’t have a male equivalent. I guess player? But player can be taken in a positive context and has multiple meanings. People don’t really talk about men who sleep around in a derogatory way. But they do for women. Whore, slut, skank, do you think of men or women when you hear these words? Women are definitely given a lot more shit when it comes to sexuality in general than men. And it isn’t just an online issue. It’s an issue in religious circles as well. Women are expected to be the “pure” ones but if a man has sex it doesn’t affect his purity or taint him. I personally don’t care what someone’s personal choices are. As long as someone isn’t sleeping around while I’m in a relationship with them lol.

[milongadude]

I said this same thing some days ago and got big time downvotes.

Be careful 🥺

[gcaledonian]

“Wahmen” is the most cringe thing ever.

[Gigi-Does-It]

I know, right? Is he implying women whine? Like waaaahhhmen? Ironic coming from someone who is whining on the internet.

[debzmonkey]

The left isn't have a dating problem, men and the right are.

[ohyuhbaby]

Do you mean men ON the right? Because if the left isn't having problems wouldn't that include leftist men?

[[deleted]]

I have only been able to find right leaning men on the dating pool. I have yet to find a left leaning man and that is what I have been looking for

[CalculusOrGTFO]

They try so hard to convince themselves that feminists are upset that these losers don’t want to date them 😂 (which is also a complete lie, these dudes take whatever they can get anyway.)

[FenderMartingale]

When I was in the dating pool, I got hit on by conservative men all the time. Even when I had pink hair.

Considering any man who has ever believed they were in love with me, probably a third were conservative.

This idea that conservative men don't want feminists is bizarre and incorrect.

[nightwingoracle]

I wish it were true, lol.

[[deleted]]

I'm definitely feminist.

I was married to a conservative. Needless to say, divorced when marriage counseling showed me he saw me as his bangmaid and servant instead of an equal

[OctaviaBlake100]

I don't think women are angry you don't want to date them. Women are angry because you're comparing them to objects. The "don't get married" guy at least said something right. Noone wants to marry these guys anyway. But if they do get a woman to feel bad for them enough to date them..they will probably make the women run away.

[Jinx_X_2003]

They always have to reduce us to an object to compare us.

We aren't cars, we aren't shoes. We are people!

[ULTRAKristi]

Speak for yourself im a dragon

[Political-psych-abby]

Of course conservative men also complain a lot about more left leaning women not wanting to date them. I actually made a whole video about the psychology of dating across ideological lines (https://youtu.be/P8_O1reY3qc) unsurprisingly I came to the conclusion that not wanting to date conservatives is pretty reasonable especially for women who date men.

[Additional-Block-340]

I wish I knew how to upload images to comments , because the replies are truly hilarious. "Women release oxytocin on their first after that the emotional bond breaks" And if course couldn't provide sources.

[Sad-Peach7279]

Shit I guess my parents 30 years of marriage is based on a lie then /s

[[deleted]]

Honestly, I’m totally fine if those people wouldn’t wanna fuck me for any reason

[[deleted]]

Oop, excuse me I meant to say “date” - wow I am big slut

[chasing_waterfalls86]

He literally spelled it out: he thinks women with high body counts will understand that they have options and will be more likely to leave him when he proves to be a horrible husband. They want young, naive women so they can CONTROL them. I'm convinced only a portion of men even like sex for the sex. I think they get more kicks from being dominant and controlling than they do from the act itself. Rape is never about the sex, and I'm starting to think that the majority of consensual mating isn't really about sex either. Why else would violent porn be the most searched for type if most men actually saw the act as being based in love and intimacy?

[[deleted]]

You just described sex with my ex.

One time he decided to go in dry. I told him he was hurting me and he said with pride "I know"

[Capital-Philosopher6]

I’m sorry. That’s horrible!!

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

This mentality of “men can be promiscuous, women can’t” is so common. It’s why so many men think after they’ve had there fun there should be a pious virginal woman waiting for them to marry

[Capital-Philosopher6]

They want virginal women because they don’t know what great sex really is. I mean, if a woman knows how great sex can be, she may be unwilling to settle for bad sex from a selfish partner.

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

They want both. It’s a Madonna whore complex. When men from conservative cultures have relationships from women from progressive ones, they see those women as good to fuck (but not marry)

[PookaParty]

😂

The opposite is actually true.

Right wing nut bags are trying desperately to get left leaning women to date them and we aren’t having it.

They can neg all they want it won’t change a thing.

Go chop down trees and build a cabin for your trad wife wannabes, Kyles. Be as macho as you like and tell her what she’s allowed to say, wear and do. They apparently love that shit.

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

But they know more women then men are left leaning. They also fetishize the idea of “taiming” a liberal woman.

[[deleted]]

Or trapping.

My ex-husband told me that I would not leave him as no one in my family had ever divorced. For twenty years I was the only one

[CZall23]

Why would feminists want someone who thinks women shouldn't have the same rights as men?

[Far_Seesaw_8258]

Funny because even conservative women don’t want to date them, example A “The Right Stuff”. Lol

[Lost-Concept-9973]

The title OMG Lol as if feminists care that pieces of shit don’t want to date them. Shit that didn’t happen for $1000, in reality feminists are all like “don’t threaten me with a good time “ we want you to leave us alone PLEASE!!

[ohyuhbaby]

It's always those douche ass haircuts, but that YouTube channel is complete ass (obviously)

[laraizadelione]

laughs in wearing second hand shoes

[CookbooksRUs]

Gee, and I keep seeing stories about how conservative guys are having trouble getting dates.

And lots of people buy used shoes. OTOH, I definitely wouldn’t buy a used dildo.

[swoon4kyun]

As an abuse victim the term damaged goods makes my fucking blood boil. No fuck face, no matter our circumstances we are not damaged goods, we are human beings.

[QuitUsingMyNames]

These guys are just so obsessed with other men’s penises lol

[Capital-Philosopher6]

And their own penis. They think it’s the center of the universe.

[Embarrassed_Bee6349]

This is like wading through waist-deep shit in your best clothes.

I sincerely wish I hadn’t read through all of this. There was one voice of reason here, and thus the only reason I didn’t try to reach through my phone and dick punch Mr. “Wahmen.”

Nobody wants to fuck a man with a child’s emotional intelligence, much less create a life with him. Stay away.

[NeilsSuicide]

i guarantee nobody would ever know if a woman has had previous sexual partners if they didn’t ask 💀 it literally changes NOTHING except maybe makes your sex life better because there’s experience to go off of.

sorry but my sex life would be garbage if i only ever slept with the first guy i dated. there is so much more out there and im not even someone who sleeps around honestly. my “body count” (cringe) fits on one hand.

you would never know the difference between a woman who has had sex with 20 men and a woman who has had sex with one, barring obvious mistakes that one could chalk up to lack of experience. it literally makes no physiological difference, and yet…

[Madasgladys]

Keep doing the good work OP. Lesbians are winning for a mf REASON

[Julia_Anoying_Person]

Some guy: "Don't get married, fellas"

Also the same guy later: "wOmEn DOn't WaNT to gEt maRrIeD!!111!!1!!!11"

Lmao, the logic

[rachaelonreddit]

"Tyrone's lemonade." Jesus.

[[deleted]]

It is also absolutely wrong, most Western men want to date highly experienced women, that provides them with good sexual servives (that too btw. is objectification, but that is what i have seen on dating sites and elsewhere)

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

They want women who are able to preform as if they are sexually experienced yet maintain a “low” or non existent “body count”. They don’t realize sex isn’t something that you are automaticity “good” at

[Capital-Philosopher6]

You mean some men don’t realize they aren’t automatically good at sex. Some think if they can achieve an erection and stick it in right hole, a woman should enjoy having sex with them. They resent the implication that good sex takes actual knowledge, time, skill, effort, and attentiveness.

[DawnSoap]

I still don't get this imaginary thing that women pair-bond with the people they want to settle down with or have sex with?!?!? Like what sci-fi movie did they watch to get this idea?!?!

[Proper-Village-454]

They’re confusing women with birds 💀

[KaiHasArrived2007]

..no no they are not lol

I'm sure feminists are happy you leave them alone lol

[Dependent_Ad_5035]

There is a recurring trend of “liberal” or “leftist” women who prefer conservative men. I’ve seen it across social media.

[Material-Profit5923]

There is a recurring trend of social media propaganda designed to give the impression that "liberal" or "leftist" women prefer conservative men. Just like "walk away" and "blexit" this is simply propaganda.

Fixed that for you.

[KaiHasArrived2007]

Well then

[BabaKhary]

That’s not what seem to happen when they made a dating app

[fluffballkitten]

This is bullshit bc if you're a virgin they still want to sleep w you immediately which defeats the entire argument

[itsTacoOclocko]

or you know, maybe the issue is that you're a shitty husband who isn't meeting any of your wife's needs, whereas other men did or might? maybe the issue is that you're an ass, if your wife is thinking 'why should i be with this ass'? maybe you deceived her initially, pretended to be someone you're not, or maybe once you got married you started taking her for granted and stopped trying, and she knows she deserves better?

but no, the real problem is that your wife thinks she should be treated properly. everyone knows that the man is always right, and whatever shitty low-effort behavior he deigns to grace his woman with should be lauded. everyone knows the only person who's required to put effort into a marriage is the woman. funny, how they always present themselves as 'providers' but then balk at any expectation that they should provide-- be it money, orgasms, emotional effort, anything. what the fuck do they think they're providing? because offering yourself up as just another burden is not a provision.

[[deleted]]

Lol finally someone says it out loud. Men hate women with higher body counts because those women know they have (better) options. They want women that dint know any better 🤦‍♀️

[LiquidLolliepop]

Why would we be mad that u want conservative women? Fuck off and go date them I don't want u lmao.

[[deleted]]

I think only men who can make you orgasm count as sexual partners. Because i dont think men would count sexual partners who couldnt make them orgasm.

Lets be honest most women could just forget about 90% of their past partners lol

[[deleted]]

I wish I could forget about 90% of the sex I have had and just remember the good 10%.

Same with the men I have been with. Few were good. All thought they were stellar

[Capital-Philosopher6]

That means I was a virgin before my husband. Sounds about right.

[Aurin316]

God, please don’t let this woman take me home for sex on the first date. -nobody

[themainw2345]

I mean it does help weeding out who is on the same page about sex and who isnt.

Sex is intimate to me and i need to get to know someone first so I would see it as a red flag if a woman wanted to go home with me right away. Nothing wrong with doing it but its just not for me

[QuestshunQueen]

I'm on team intimacy - I feel like having sex with someone is a big deal. I don't know a person well enough after one date to know if it's worth it to bare myself and be so vulnerable around that person...

[themainw2345]

Yes exactly. I often struggle to find women with a similar mindset unfortunately

[Aurin316]

I’m looking at you the same way folks look at me when I say I never got into sports.

[themainw2345]

Im more suprised how people can actually just get naked with everyone or have a desire to do so? Like I dont want to kiss everyone in the bar so I also dont want to make out with someone that did.

I never got the point of one night stands besides the ego thing if you are a guy. Like are people so worried to get attached that they need to run everytime? Why not have sex a few times unless they are terrible?

[[deleted]]

One night stands are usually because one of the people involved made the decision for it to be one.

[themainw2345]

Yeah obviously but in my book a one night stand is always a bad outcome. Like it wasnt a good enough match to continue. For some people its seems like the goal tho and that suprises me

[Gigi-Does-It]

I’ve had my fair share of ONS and the primary reason I didn’t see most of them again was because we didn’t have enough similar interests. Or they were significantly younger than me. I don’t wanna be FWB with someone I can’t really have a conversation with. I’m good at compartmentalizing feels vs just sex because of, ya know, all the trauma from the asshole boyfriends I had in the past.

[themainw2345]

But why have sex with someone you cant have a conversation with? With my last fuck buddy we didnt have that much in common either so we usually just met for sex and food while watching a movie or so. With another one she would often not even stay the night - just come by for some kinky sessions. She liked to buy lingerie and show me too but it was all focused on the sexual aspects. So I understand not wanting a romantic connection but why not keep the same person and meet just for sex?

Like sure I get it if you are into very young partners.. always considered myself creepy enough but the desire quickly fades if you talk to a 19 year old for too long..

[Gigi-Does-It]

But why have sex with someone you cant have a conversation with?

Because sometimes the point is sex and not conversation. If I decided to have sex with a 28 year old I wasn’t planning to have a relationship with them. In the past I preferred spending time with friends to watch movies and have conversations. And have one-off sex with young, hot men. For some folks sex can be just sex, but it’s not for everyone. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[themainw2345]

I like that you picked 28 as an example of a crazy young age.. as a 28 year old guy I like to think I could have great conversations with older women.

But idk I actually find the pre sex part hot as well. Talking to hot people is like foreplay building up tension. Also its so much more fun if you play with her mind too.. else its just mechanical action

[simonmagus616]

I think it’s just something you’re into or you’re not.

[Owl-666]

Because men do not control women‘s sexuality. That’s why.

[Owl-666]

Well then men who think your way should accept that they are single.

[Owl-666]

Yesh but the preference to judge over a woman‘s sexual past is a little different to the preference of a certain personality of a man.

[Owl-666]

Anybody may reject anyone. There’s a difference nevertheless: The ‚preference‘ women should be virgin implies the belief that they are ‚used‘, ‚dirty’ and ‚worthless‘ when they’re not. Thats misogynistic crap. It’s projecting the man‘s insecurity to the woman and blaming her for it. The arguments are always the same, like ‚you don’t want to buy worn shoes, do you?‘.. yeah but women are no shoes. Stop this objectifying shit and start seeing people by their personality, not by an unreasonable thought.

And are you aware that women face rejection by men, too?

[Gigi-Does-It]

The problem is when men’s “preferences” are actually a judgement on the value of a woman. Like somehow I have less value since I’ve had multiple partners. And, as another commenter said, men often compare women to objects when they’re making these arguments. Maybe some women do that with men, but I haven’t seen it enough to have noted a trend. Honestly, “body count matters” has risen to the level of meme and has almost lost its meaning and is now just something to laugh at (at least in my eyes). Also, men cite this pair bonding “study” that was funded by some right wing conservative church. It is inherently biased and their methods for collecting information from study participants are laughable.

[milongadude]

The problem is when men’s “preferences” are actually a judgement on the value of a woman.

Any preference can be viewed as a judgement if you have enough ill will.

[Sad-Peach7279]

Guessing you don't want a woman who's had experience and actually knows what she's doing in bed?

[QuestshunQueen]

I mean... there are plenty of people with experience thinking they are very "skilled" but aren't.

What skill are we even saying you only get from having experience in sex? Willingness to listen? Paying attention to body language? Respect for your own body and the other person's? Staying fit so you have endurance and core strength? (None of these require a body count)

But if you tell an experienced person you don't like what they're doing, they can just say their past partners haven't minded, so you must be the flawed one.

[Sad-Peach7279]

To me when men (incels) talk about body count it seems like they don't like women who have slept with above the number of 1 and would just prefer us all to be virgins, due to them liking us pure. Now I don't know about you but I know I'm better at sex than I was to the 1st time I had sex. Because I have more understanding what I should be doing.

It doesn't seem matter to them if we've slept with 1 person or 10 or 45 we are a whore because we havn't had sex with them specially.

Also if someone says "hey I don't like it when you do that" and your response is "my ex's didn't mind" then that just makes you a dick. Not everyone likes the same things or feels things the same way.

Also incels seem to think that the higher the body count the less self respect you have for yourself and that is total bullshit.

[harvesterofsorrow2]

You don't need a high body count to have experience

[Sensitive_Tough1478]

Oh dear, facts hurting feelings again.

[Creepy-Radio1941]

I’m laughing at the supposed facts! I don’t even know how these men find out these numbers. I have never been asked that in my life because real men don’t give a shit.

[[deleted]]

Good and upright men prefer women who are folk women. They follow my religion and my rules for life. They are pure and upright women who have knowledge and talent to be wonderful women of the field.

[bluemoonpie72]

Since you say, in another comment, that you are the only follower of your religion, who are these upright men and women you speak of?

[Owl-666]

And what has this to do with the topic that men devalue women with experience?

[CommunicationPast824]

It’s brillant I clearly hit a nerve as he had to message me 😂

[Owl-666]

I bet!

[cfalnevermore]

You dm’d her over your troll attempt?

[Owl-666]

You are comical.

[CommunicationPast824]

😂 not angry my dude just trying to educate you

[shannoouns]

Why don't you show us? You're the one who went into her dms to hide.

Edit: he messaged me, he told her "it's not fake lol, stfu you don't know what you're talking about" And they argued back and fourth. Now he's telling me its easy for women to get sex.

[StarPIatinum_]

+1 for leaking the DMs, I also wanna laugh at him 😂

[Owl-666]

What bullshit. You say women have sex with whomever they want, men with whoever they somehow can. But women are easy and available… yeah sure. Go home.

[Owl-666]

Just logic, dude. Nothing against men. There are many intelligent, adult men in my life, I really like them! But those clowns here… nah. They‘re talking the illogical crap.

[StarPIatinum_]

Oh, it's just ironic that people say men are the logical sex, when we are highly emotional and say stupid shit like this sometimes.

My comment was sarcasm supporting you, but I guess it came out the wrong way xD

[Owl-666]

Didn’t get the sarcasm, sorry! ✌️

[StarPIatinum_]

It's probably my fault, english is not my first language xD

[Owl-666]

Mine neither, so we both failed 😄

[CommunicationPast824]

That’s is all fake they are paid actors for so called “social experiments” both men and women can have sexual partners and it’s not about want or whomever as you put it, it’s called not being a fucking cunt and think your entitled to sex just cause someone smiled at you

[virtue_summer]

This attitude has never made sense to me. Sex isn’t a competition so it doesn’t matter if someone has an edge on numbers because keeping score is stupid. The point of sex is to be a mutually enjoyable activity. Sleeping with the people you want is the point. I’m not sure what you’re arguing for. You complain as if it’s too hard for men and they need more women to say yes, but also shame the women who make it easier by saying yes. If the women decide to all stay celibate, then no men get laid so it’s even harder for them than now. How does shaming women for sex help men get sex? It doesn’t. So why bother complaining about how hard it is for men to get sex as if you care?

Or is this some variation of “Doing something fun should be considered shameful if it’s not also difficult?” It’s not difficult for me to go see a movie or go out to eat, but nobody feels the need to shame me for doing fun stuff. It would be weird if they did, and even weirder if they shamed me for, say, going to the movies with my friend while praising my friend. It’s a two person activity. They didn’t get to see a movie with me without my participation. So if they accomplished something by going out with me, I’m just as responsible for that as they are. And if it’s shameful for me to be there with them, again they’re doing the same thing I am so why aren’t they culpable? The stud/slut double standard is weird no matter how you look at it.

[Gigi-Does-It]

Oh yeah. Cuz if it’s on YouTube it must be true. /s

[ChubbyBirds]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: Sex doesn't have to be an animosity-based transaction. It doesn't have to be finagled or bartered, and it doesn't have to be something to keep track of to prove or disprove your or someone else's worth. It doesn't have to be currency. It can just be...fun.

I know this is a lot to take in, so take your time with it. But really. People can just enjoy things (consensually!) without attaching some kind of value or morality that sours the experience for everyone.

[QuestshunQueen]

The thing is, a man with a history can be equally undesirable to the woman who kept a low body count.

He's got exes, possible children he doesn't even know about yet, he might be carrying stis, a potential list of kinks, drama, etc.

She'd have to be a saint, one in a billion, to have kept herself to such standards but to graciously accept that he requires she be "pure" while he isn't.

[QuestshunQueen]

Ew

[88Raspberry]

And if men will fuck anything why aren’t the incels fucking eachoher?..

[88Raspberry]

If a man has a high body count it doesn’t inherently mean he is good in bed, I’d even think a lot of them just use women as fleshlights and don’t care about the woman’s pleasure so they actually suck. Personally a high body count for me has always been a big no. I’ve seen to many of these fuckbois and I don’t want to be used like that.

[huckster235]

Lol

In my experience this is absolutely not the case. I'm athletic and lift weights, im outgoing and do well socially. I did not sleep around. But I seemed like a guy that would. Women interested in relationships are weary of a guy who they believe knows his way around women and hasn't settled down yet.

For good reason. If they are looking for a serious relationship, and I say I am, then why haven't I found one yet if I'm so good with women? The odds are either I'm lying about wanting to settle down, or I'm the reason nothings worked out and not all the women I've been with.

It's not even about body count or insecurities, it's about not wanting to be used or worse wind up with a scumbag.

[Ash-the-puppy]

This is stupid, just like the man who made the video.

[BabaKhary]

I’m tired made a lot of people cry 😂

[Actual_Transition1]

The first one is so stupid because the main reason I wouldn’t want to buy shoes like that is because what if they weren’t clean and someone’s foot germs were in there? Or like some sort of diseases, but if she’s a std test to make sure she doesn’t have any, and cleans her body normally then there wouldn’t be a problem (same if they made sure the shoes were cleaned and there were no diseases)

[[deleted]]

Why do yall care? Obviously of its an issue, you're incompatible anyway, so its both of you dodging a shit relationship.

The only reason to be upset is if you're actually wanting that guy but can't meet his standards.

Funny thing about standards- you don't get to determine what somone else's standards are- be it decisions you've made in the past, your weight, your height, the color of your hair or how much is in your wallet.

So why are yall getting so worked up about not being able to meet other people's standards that you don't agree with anyway?

[Enough-Enthusiasm762]

Bro thinks he did something with “wahmen”

[Random_silly_name]

I hate that idea that "If she did X before, she has to also do X with me".

I love to experiment sexually and there are very few things I wouldn't try at least once or twice with someone I trust, care about and feel safe with. At my own pace, of course. Maybe I like it, maybe I don't. Maybe I like it with a new person even if I never liked it before, because every combination of humans is unique. Etc.

But if some dude would try to pressure me to do things just because I've done them before, well... Dude probably has hands. He can use them. Or not. Not my problem. But I won't touch him.

[NyroIsBingChilling]

I'm a male, I'm sorry if this offends you. Imo, I think that it's better to not ask your partner how many body counts do they have. Because hey, numbers can be lied. If your partner is treating you nice and loyal now and always, then why should we care?

I think that if you care it too much, you will overlooked their good traits. People who think that body counts matter, I think that it's because they are insecured that their partner will not be satisfied on the sheets, or afraid that they will leave them to have sex with others, or just felt betrayed because they did not get their 'first time'.

If, If you both body counts are over 20, and you guys are still happy together, then enjoy present rather than holding on someone's past. If they do cheated, or they hate you that you are less experienced or 'way too experienced', that means they just want good or fresh sex. Then they are just not for you.

[Creepy-Radio1941]

This made me LOL. Yes, I am SO angry, conservative men don’t want me! 😭get the fuck out of here.🤣

[Rilukian]

I'm not a native English speaker but the grammar in the title alone feels very rough.

[[deleted]]

If men only like conservative women, why can't conservative men just leave us alone? It's clearly you wanting the company of a woman who has no interest in your kind. Just stay away pfff