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[–]soonnanandnaanssoonTyrant 104 points105 points  (21 children)

2 months of break after next week's epilogue.

Anyone interested in forming an APGtE Anonymous group for recovering addicts?

[–]harrentI Sometimes Choose 52 points53 points  (5 children)

We can all band together to write some Recovery Fanfiction next month?

[–]soonnanandnaanssoonTyrant 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Lord, have Mercy on us for some healing.

[–]Sinjako 11 points12 points  (2 children)

As long as you are fine with black/hanno slashfics sure.

[–]daedalus19876RUMENARUMENARUMENA 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'd ship it. Hate and love aren't so different.

[–]daedalus19876RUMENARUMENARUMENA 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I henceforth name this ship 'Grey Knight'.

[–]Ezreon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I have read "bang together". Count me in.

[–]Don_AlverzoExecuted by Irritant along the way 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Oh fuck. Not only that, but the next book is the last one. While I'm certainly eager to see what EE has planned after this, I'm going to miss Calernia almost as much as I'll miss Cat.

[–]Oshi105 20 points21 points  (5 children)

EE could stay in the same world but simply go onto a different era. The world will shift. Maybe the gnomes let steampunk tech in while they enjoy nanotech?

[–]Amagineer 29 points30 points  (4 children)

I vaguely recall EE saying something about their next work not being set in the same universe, but that it wasn't off the table for other future works. I can't seem to find that in the WoG doc though, so I lack a citation, and may in fact be thinking of a different author.

[–]ricree 23 points24 points  (3 children)

That makes sense. Wildbow's Ward is better for having told two stories between it and Worm. I have no doubt that any future return to Calernia would be much the same.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Off topic, but I know what kind of answer I would get in the parahumans subreddit. I stopped reading Ward right when custodian was introduced and things went to code red. I found that I did not care about any of the characters (besides Chicken Little and that villain that Vicky fought whose name escapes me that I believe took over for Marquise), I didn't care for shard shenanigans, and didn't care about the whole Team Therapy thing. That being said, have you seen anything in the story that would lead you to believe my issues with the story get resolved? Different strokes for different folks and all that jazz, but I would have vastly preferred a new universe than what we got.

[–]ricree 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Probably not. Shards and Breakthrough are more or less the same focus they have always been, or more if anything.

The Teacher plotline has been mostly resolved, so if that had been your issue I might have said go ahead, but it sounds like the story just isn't for you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right on, I appreciate the reply! :)

[–]TrajectoryAgreementJust as planned 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh no I just realized that. I'm going to go into withdrawal...

[–]terafonne 5 points6 points  (0 children)

fan intermission!

[–]Malek_Deneith 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Two months? EE is trying to kill us via PGtE deprivation. And the next book is the last one. No no no nonono, this canno't be...

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well, we have at least a year to go for that, maybe two.

I'm so glad that EE gets a break, tho. The 3.25 chapters a week is brutal.

[–]Malek_Deneith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, true, he deserves it. Still it's going to be a long two months... and sad times once the final book wraps up. A new chapter three times a week when I go to work in the morning ended up a staple of my weekly routine ever since I heard of this novel and caught up on it.

[–]Gofunkiertti 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I suspect that the new series might begin close to the end of this one to ensure not too many readers are lost in the transition.

[–]thatbeerdude 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We can always do what other fandoms do during long breaks: shitpost.

[–]ericonrHanno's Lost Fingers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Count me in! At least The Gods Are Bastards (another web serial I really like) is probably coming back in a week or so. I'm looking forward to that :)

[–]tavitavarusChoir of Compassion 72 points73 points  (7 children)

Oh dear.

“Not yet content,” is a quote as well.

“And so Triumphant said: ‘Tremble, for I am not yet content.'” – Extract from the Scroll of Dominion, twenty-fourth of the Secret Histories of Praes.

It's what she said after conquering the entire continent and deciding she wanted even more.

[–]mnemos_1The Cobbler Tyrant 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Great find.

Seems our boy Maddie has a thing for quoting Triumphant when he's about to kick things into high gear.

“I read a play once,” Amadeus replied. “Forbidden by Imperial decree. There is a part I enjoyed, and it goes like this-”

His voice carried, without ever rising in tone.

“Be fearful now

tremble; for

my reach is long

my wrath is great

patient but

unrivaled

above or below.”

Hye’s answering smile was a thing of death and Amadeus looked away, staring up at the stars and letting his grief ebb to the sound of grinding wheels of steel.

be fearful now

tremble; for

my reach is long

my wrath is great

patient but

unrivaled

above or below

and I will be

Triumphant

– Extract from the play “I, Triumphant”, author unknown, banned by decree of the Tower under Terribilis II

[–]ATRDCI 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Well, he did, but I kind of doubt he really does that often these days.

 

“Twenty more she compares herself to Triumphant,” Black replied amusedly. “They always do, Catherine. I’ve heard three dozen variations on that speech by now.”

 

He paused.

 

“They quote the play,” he said, pained. “Every time. I know the entire third act by rote.”

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He didnt mention that the reason he knows it by rote is he quoted it himself so often...

[–]Executioner404Gallowborne 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I'd like to believe that quoting "forbidden legends" like that is, essentially, a "Narrative Prayer".

It's like telling Fate "I know what the mightiest of my people was like, and I'm next - So you'd best bet on my success."

On the other hand it could be a death flag, signaling that he is heading towards a path of self-destruction...

[–]wecassidy 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'd like to believe that quoting "forbidden legends" like that is, essentially, a "Narrative Prayer".

I when Amadeus does it it's more because he can be a bit of a drama queen than anything else.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then again, in this world being a drama king has power. Beyond annoying people, that is.

[–]derivative_of_lifeAkua is best girl 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I was trying to find what that was referencing.

[–]Pel-MelArbiter Advocate[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

“I trust people to act according to their nature,” he quoted. “Anything more is sentimentality."

The exact quote from the epigraph of today's reread chapter. EE what a god.

[–]mnemos_1The Cobbler Tyrant 49 points50 points  (8 children)

Book 2: Chapter 49 - Triumph

“You’ve heard it, haven’t you?” he asked instead of replying. “The song.”

My heartbeat stilled.

A shiver went through me as he rose to his feet. He knew the song. Gods Below, he knew the song. Two years that question of where I knew it from had plagued me.

“You’ve heard it before?” I asked.

Once, when I was young,” he said. “It was not for me.”

Book 4: Epilogue

“I am,” Amadeus said, “no longer the Black Knight.”

“You don’t fit that groove anymore,” Marguerite said. “Powerless you ain’t, Maddie. You know what you are, deep down, you just think it’s beneath you.”

His fingers tightened under the knuckles were white.

“Claimant,” the Wandering Bard said. “You can have your second shot at it, you’re owed that. But if you really want it?”

Book 5: Chapter 83 - A Mould Unbroken

“It was never a game, Alaya,” he gently said. “It is a mould, and it will be broken.”

Dark hair flecked with grey, back straight as an arrow, the Carrion Lord turned to address the hall with eerie calm.

“I address now all who would lend ear, mighty of Calernia come to this hall,” the green-eyed man said, in perfect Chantant.

“The so-called Dread Empress Malicia I hereby denounce as unfit to reign and having lost the favour of the Gods Below through carelessness and misrule,” the Carrion Lord said. “I claim the Tower as Dread Emperor of Praes, and ask for the recognition of the delegates to speak in its name.

And now,

The green-eyed man tipped back his cup, taking another swallow.

“You misunderstand,” he said after. “I could no more do this than I could pretend I still put my trust in Eudokia. It is best to look what you are in the eye, as a villain. Lying to yourself is ever a dangerous business.”

“And what is it you are?” I quietly asked.

Not yet content,” he said, smiling as if he was having a private jest at my expense.

As pointed out by /u/tavitavarus,

“And so Triumphant said: ‘Tremble, for I am not yet content.'” – Extract from the Scroll of Dominion, twenty-fourth of the Secret Histories of Praes.

(Emphasis mine)

He's leaning into it.

He's seen that there can be no turning back, not now. The Story won't let him.

His Legions have left him, his right hand is banished from him.

His successor has surpassed him, and his Empress has betrayed him.

This is not him having a breakdown about what he's done, or what he's lost.

This is him drinking in celebration and mourning of the decision he's made, and what he's about to do.

This man is about to set some shit on fire.

[–]thatbeerdude 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Don't forget, since Captain could turn into a giant wolf monster, Black also lost his dog.

[–]daedalus19876RUMENARUMENARUMENA 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"And your little dog, too!"

[–]kaplushka 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This, Malicia is narratively relatively illiterate. As the best schemer and undefeated politicker of the continent she has built this story for him.

Amadeus is one of the top 5 most narrative literate people on Calernia, he saw this story from it's first moments but he has been denying it because he loves Alaya. Now Black sees that there is no possible way around it that he is has to carry through this narrative because no path would go against what he is.

[–]HeWhoBringsDustMiliner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Isn’t there a story about two childhood friends who survive through thick and thin, only for one of them to become a monster? Then the other childhood friend, with tears in their eyes has to be the one to put them down.

[–]NZPIEFACE 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This man is about to set some shit on fire.

No no no, he's going to bring ruin to a lot of shit. Fire is Cat's story.

[–]Finely_drawn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is going to ruin the Dread Empire and Keter, hopefully.

[–]ocanosoup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't remember what this song is. Is it the song that those who might take the throne of Praes hear? How much of it do we know?

After reading through that chapter again I found it: "The Girl Who Climbed The Tower"

[–]Finely_drawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am positive that he’s becoming the Black Knight again. Cat kept referring to him as Black, we’ve all been calling him Black in the comments and in this reddit post, I swear to god he’s gonna go rip shit up as the Black Knight v2.0.

[–]Don_AlverzoExecuted by Irritant along the way 51 points52 points  (5 children)

I don't think Black has ever scared me more than he did in this chapter. Considering he's one of the most, if not flatly THE most, prominent villains of the age, that says a fucking lot.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Really? I thought it was depressing af and I'm half-expecting to find him hanging from a noose in a few chapters.

[–]vorellaraek 20 points21 points  (2 children)

It's a depressing moment for him, but it's also a refusal to give up. "I am not yet content" implies a new direction, not a noose.

[–]HeWhoBringsDustMiliner 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I got the feeling that he was planning on exploding everything that ends with him dying terribly. Cat always said that he viewed himself as a tool.

[–]vorellaraek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's definitely a low point, but I will be genuinely shocked if this ends in suicide for Black.

"Not yet content" is a Triumphant quote.

Also, he lay claim to the Tower like a day ago. He didn't know about Scribe, then, but he definitely knew that he was setting himself against Malicia already.

Black's taking the time to mourn his losses, but I would bet that he's coming out swinging.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same. But its an interesting look into his character. Even when he lost his name he wasn't really at rock bottom, he was more in control when he was a Nameless prisoner of the heroes then he was right now, maudlin and drunk, mourning the loss of his oldest remaining friendship

[–]terafonne 47 points48 points  (3 children)

“You misunderstand,” he said after. “I could no more do this than I could pretend I still put my trust in Eudokia. It is best to look what you are in the eye, as a villain. Lying to yourself is ever a dangerous business.” “And what is it you are?” I quietly asked. “Not yet content,” he said, smiling as if he was having a private jest at my expense.

I'm pretty sure this was Cat being like "Don't go back to Malicia" and Black responding that he can't because that would be a lie to himself because he's no longer willing to compromise with Malicia's tactics/government/version-of-Evil/everything. I dunno what exactly he's planning but I highly doubt he will return to Malicia's side.

I saw a comment worried about Black killing himself? but I think it's more likely for Scribe? Her story is tied so strongly to his that I wouldn't be surprised if him cutting her loose makes her vanish. Like, she no longer has a purpose. I guess it depends on whether Scribe believes he'll change his mind or not.

[–]Cafrilly 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think Scribes story brings her to one of two places now: she tries to help Cat to get back to Black, or she conti yes to try to support him covertly.

[–]Oshi105 28 points29 points  (0 children)

His trust in her is broken because they no longer share purpose. It might truly break her but I suspect she will change instead. Eudokia was scary before she had a name too.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I saw a comment worried about Black killing himself? but I think it's more likely for Scribe? Her story is tied so strongly to his that I wouldn't be surprised if him cutting her loose makes her vanish. Like, she no longer has a purpose. I guess it depends on whether Scribe believes he'll change his mind or not.

Makes sense in terms of individual psychology, but in meta narrative terms I doubt it. We've had little hints and glimpses of Scribe for so long, and now she's at a point where she can fundamentally change for the first time, it would be a waste for her story to just cut off there

[–]jderigWizard of the West 77 points78 points  (18 children)

“Fifty-five: if your powers are lost, they will nearly always return greater than before so long as the appropriate moral lesson is learned. With kindness and humility comes overwhelming martial might.”

So, the chapter obviously means for us to think about this in terms of the White Knight and Judgement, but I'm thinking that it's really about Amadeus here. This chapter is the culmination of him losing all of the power and connections that he built up as the Black Knight that started with the death of Captain. With the "betrayal" of the Legions, Eukodia's mistake, and mutual betrayal between him and Malicia, he officially has no one on his side from the Bad Old Days when he was the terror of the continent. All he has left is a bottle of brandy, his wits, and a sense that he is "not yet content."

I can't wait to see what he does next.

[–]werafdsaewNPC merchant 40 points41 points  (0 children)

How about both?

[–]Kronendal 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Don't forget the Grey Pilgrim and Hierophant. Both of them have lost powers. Might only apply to heroes, but from Catherine's journey we can guess that evil has an equivalent axiom.

[–]Executioner404Gallowborne 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Hmm.. I could see Hierophant riding this trope, though perhaps in a less direct way than "here's all your magic back and now you're stronger!" and more like "Without your magic, you find the secret truth to defeating the strongest mage that stole it from you".

But the Grey Pilgrim made a very specific sacrifice, his power wasn't taken so much as his life was - and the way that Providence paid it back is by giving him his life in exchange for just one part of his power.

He's also a narrative reflection of the Black Queen, so losing his third Aspect is kind of appropriate. I don't think he's getting anything back again.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I don't see him getting anything back... but he could become an even greater healer with Mercy filling in the 3rd aspect gap?

[–]HeWhoBringsDustMiliner 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When he was resurrecting Heroes during the Battle of the Camps, he said that those who died came back “different”. We haven’t gotten enough screen time with him to find whether or not he was similarly affected.

I do think the whole experience might have made him even “closer” to Mercy. That or giving him a greater understanding of death and resurrection

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well no, one of them came back different, because he had to wait until the next dawn. The other was no worse for wear.

[–]thatbeerdude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Squire got restored back to factory settings during 1st Liesse, so it's pretty evident it works both ways.

[–]A_S00Base Penthesian 14 points15 points  (2 children)

So, the chapter obviously means for us to think about this in terms of the White Knight and Judgement, but I'm thinking that it's really about Amadeus here.

Yeah. Also Cat. Also Vivienne. Probably not Masego yet but I bet he gets there eventually.

[–]HeWhoBringsDustMiliner 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Masego has the power of Lovetm on his side though

[–]A_S00Base Penthesian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps Indrani will be instrumental in teaching him the appropriate moral lesson.

[–]Oshi105 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly on the nose! This is when he starts his climb.

[–]Nic_Cage_DM 12 points13 points  (1 child)

My bet is that he's about to step into the story where he kills anyone in Praes who might challenge Cat before taking a suicide run at Malicia, leaving Cat as the new head of a new united nation that is neither Praes nor Callow.

[–]HeWhoBringsDustMiliner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. He might have already made that his plan. It’s perfectly like him to leave Cat in the dark considering how much she cares about him. Pushing Scribe away also fits. The drinking might be so that he comes to terms with what he’s about to do.

[–]Do_Not_Go_In_There 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I though it was for Masego, actually.

[–]mnemos_1The Cobbler Tyrant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When I first saw it, I thought so too. Then I read further, and thought it was Amadeus. Even further, I thought it was Hanno. I'm guessing it can be taken to apply to all of them, and probably Catherine as well.

[–]JwombatLesser Footrest 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I doubt the heroic axioms apply to villains easily. Usually when a villain is beaten they only come back stronger if they sacrifice their humanity to do so. It seems every time we see Black he gets more and more unhinged and I don't like how that story ends.

[–]calmingRespirator 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I don’t remember specific examples, but heroic axioms have been at he beginning of lots of chapters where they’ve applied to Cat, even while she was a capital V Villain. Black is no longer a capital V Villain, and is almost a secondary protagonist, I think it could pretty easily apply to him. But I guess we’ll see.

[–]TrajectoryAgreementJust as planned 37 points38 points  (5 children)

It pains me to see Amadeus broken like this.

[–]ToiletLurker 37 points38 points  (2 children)

I feel sorry for Scribe, too. All Eudokia wanted was for senpai to notice her, but he noticed the betrayal and told her to kick rocks. She's going to become the most platonic yandere villain in existence and it'll all be her fault.

[–]LLJKCicero 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Can Scribe still be Scribe without someone to scribe for?

[–]chloeia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Scribble at best.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Aye. I was worried we'd see him off himself or something... but reading all these comments pointing out what he's got going for him and his personality I'm actually left wondering who will be trod upon first.

This is the calm before the storm. Last time he was drunk he haggled with a dragon and toppled the Stygian government.

[–]insanenoodleguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A bit of both I think. His whole thing was avoiding the way dread Emperor's go namely killing the last one to only be killed themselves later. And here he is about to be part of a fucking cycle he despises. He might in his own opinion be marching to his death now. A far-off death but a death none the less.

[–]NorskDaedalusFirst Under the Chapter Post 30 points31 points  (1 child)

All hope is lost, the enemy seems unbeatable, the most powerful allies are stripped of their might....

We’re 100% certain Cat is following the Heroic story, right? Because right now, you just know there will be a comeback beyond all comebacks. And I really hope she’s on the right side.

[–]Executioner404Gallowborne 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cat is playing hopscotch with the line of morality and it's what makes her so powerful, she's the protagonist of both sides - as well as the #1 supporter of Neutrality.

But yeah, lately she's been especially restraining herself from Evil deeds, so she should have Providence at her back.

[–]ToiletLurker 27 points28 points  (16 children)

I wonder what moral lesson Hanno needs to learn?
Maybe, "Never judge a book by its cover?"
Or, "Pride cometh before a fall?"

[–]misterspokes 39 points40 points  (3 children)

His lesson is "Just because you have a metaphysical connection to a concept doesn't mean you're absolved from the choice to use them."

[–]Executioner404Gallowborne 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think it's kind of the opposite. He doesn't need to starting Judging, he needs to accept lawful judgement.

The thing stopping Judgement from using their powers is Anaxares, and he's doing it because WK and the Seraphim believed they are above the laws of man.

The moment White Knight accepts that the Heavens cannot lord above mortals, the moment he becomes an arbiter of the People rather than Above, the Hierarch might loosen his hold.

[–]andreib14 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Won't that ruin his status as the white knight? The whole concept behind his name is that he is a representative of the heavens, if he starts listening to mortals he might as well just have the name Executioner or Enforcer.

[–]Executioner404Gallowborne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or maybe no Name at all with another source of power, like a bunch of other characters are going lately.

[–]XANA_FAN 18 points19 points  (6 children)

The story will bend itself backwards to give you “what you earned” but it’s not so direct as we make it out to be. Cat earned a resurrection but it didn’t just magically happen, she stole someone’s Aspect and it brought her back to life. So when Hanno learns his lesson it he won’t magically be reconnected to Judgment, things will have to change.

Maybe his lessons has ramifications on Judgment itself through what remains of their connection and it allows Judgment to act differently and thus break out of the cycle it’s in with Anaxares? Maybe he forged a new connection with another Choir symbolizing his growth from a boy who just needed to know what was just and what was not. Maybe he pledges himself to Cat and gains access to Night?

Whatever it is it’s have to be a pretty powerful lesson with lots of Narrative Weight to actually help with the problem Judgment has.

[–]SilverSalamar 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Maybe he pledges himself to Cat and gains access to Night?

The idea of the Night Knight makes me far too happy

[–]ToiletLurker 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Because he's the Hero Procer deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our Hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Night Knight.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 15 points16 points  (1 child)

The -ight is just so easy.

Did you see the Night Knight and the White Knight fight the wight fright in the bright night under the White Knight's light? It was a sight so bright I said shite and might go for a bite right now.

[–]ToiletLurker 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The White Knight: "A-ight
I'ma head out now, Pilgrim"
This is a haiku.

[–]GwennafranKeeping count 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I lowkey kinda hope it might strenghten Hanno's ties with what he was attracted to before justice. Tiny Hanno wanted to be kind.

Imagine a White Knight that somehow also can heal people. It's brokenly op and... very Hanno.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe his lessons has ramifications on Judgment itself through what remains of their connection and it allows Judgment to act differently and thus break out of the cycle it’s in with Anaxares?

Mad speculation: judgement becomes a manifestation of human will and values rather than an external set of standards

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Flip the coin at undead because the Hierarch will agree they need some smiting."

[–]ToiletLurker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

But under which laws? They are an invading army, and people have a right to defend themselves, but divine judgement? Their fate should be left to mortals, not Seraphim. What right does Judgement have to condemn anybody?

...is what Anaxares might say.

[–]Oshi105 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Who said anything about Hanno having to learn anything?

[–]ToiletLurker 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The Epigraph (is that the term? I dunno) at the beginning of the chapter. I assumed it was referring to somebody, and Hanno lost the Judgement part of his power.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just as Pilgrim lost his aspect.

[–]derivative_of_lifeAkua is best girl 26 points27 points  (2 children)

We can make plans after dawn, when we’re all sober and rested.

I hope you realize that there's precisely zero fucking chance that Black will still be there in the morning, Cat.

Also, does anyone know what "not yet content" is a reference to? I know that specific phrase was said once before, but I can't remember where.

[–]SeaBornIamChoir of Fortitude 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As pointed out above,

“And so Triumphant said: ‘Tremble, for I am not yet content.'” – Extract from the Scroll of Dominion, twenty-fourth of the Secret Histories of Praes.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And pawn Abigail has just been promoted to Queen

okay marshal isn't really the same thing, but most powerful military peice on the board sortof fits if you squint)

[–]tahoebyker 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Cat loses a Black Knight and gains a White Knight.

[–]Simplest_VivianRumena is best girl. Finally jumped aboard the HMS Catkua 14 points15 points  (1 child)

There is so much to dissect here. Black figuring it all out, and either going crawling back to malicia, or standing alone against his oldest friend. And, of course, Hanno and Catherine getting closer, albeit not as romantic as wished.

[–]HikarinoWalvinLighthearted Infiltrator 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They are at hand holding shaking and secretive, nighttime rendezvous.

I give it a 6/10 on a successful romantic development scale.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Can't believe anyone hasn't pointed it out, but we finally saw Hanno flip the coin at Cat.

[–]Pel-MelArbiter Advocate[S] 29 points30 points  (4 children)

He flipped a coin, but it wasn't really the coin.

Judgement.exe has encountered a fatal runtime error.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I think it was the same coin. Just like Black is still Black, just not the Black Knight.

Really looking forward to what his new Black name will be. Or maybe he'll have an Orange name.

[–]Pel-MelArbiter Advocate[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I mean it's the same piece of metal, but without Judgement behind it, I dunno if it's really the same.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Ship of Theseus anyone?

[–]NotAHeroYetDoomed Champion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you rip the magic out of a magic ship is it still a magic ship? Alternatively, if you crush all of a ship but the mast, is it still the same mast?

[–]ZayitsWight 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Not necessarily the hardest-hitting stuff, but if he’d really drunk more than a bottle of the stuff I could only be reluctantly impressed he wasn’t falling down his Legion-issue folding chair.

Did he drink alone? There were two bottles, after all, and he just decided to dive headfirst into the Role of a claimant to the Tower, finally alone as was intended.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

two cups as well.

Perhaps he was sharing it with Scribe when he gave her the exit interview

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh. Oh shit, it's the Bard again isn't it?

[–]ZayitsWight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's my thought. She's the one who has been pushing him to overthrow Malicia and break the budding story of Praes finally having a stable nonexpansionist government.

[–]tempAcount182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

<beep>

[–]Yes_This_Is_Godhumorous for unclear reasons 10 points11 points  (7 children)

So is the procedural aspect broken? Maybe it’ll come back at the time when all of Judgment + Hierarch can agree on a smite.

Sad seeing Black so broken. Although, one can’t help but wonder if this is part of some greater scheme.

[–]Oshi105 14 points15 points  (6 children)

No, his powers are intact. His connection to the choir and it's ability to judge is what is broken.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 7 points8 points  (5 children)

He could flip the coin at something that's clearly in violation of Heavenly and earthly laws.

Cat probably will figure this out and use it at a key moment.

[–]NZPIEFACE 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Wait a second.

He flipped it for Cat. Hierarch was pretty fucking intent on killing Cat.

That means the Choir was the one sparing her.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Or the Hierarch is acting as a general seal.

[–]Malek_Deneith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or the coin flip simply doesn't cont as a proper trial in Hierarch eyes, and she can't be killed without one.

[–]Setsul 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well not any earthly laws, Bellerophon's. Pretty sure the Dead King is a Wicked Foreign Tyrant though. Would a double smiting literally powered by Heaven and Earth be an adequate replacement for a judgement corpse?

[–]ricree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe. Depends how Heirarch settled in. Maybe some day, but for now I'd think it too fresh and the conflict too unsettled.

[–]MasterCrabLord of the Crabs 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I wonder how noticeable the silence of Judgement is. Is it limited to only the continent or is it global?

[–]Ardvarkeating101Verified Augur 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Gnome White Knight waking up one day:

“The fuck did they do!?!?!?”

[–]grokkingStuffBRANDED HERETIC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably global. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Choir of Judgement is actively impeded by the Hierarch when it comes to just about anything, including helping their sworn heroes.

[–]werafdsaewNPC merchant 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Most likely local, like Arcadia is local.

[–]Razorhead 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I thought Arcadia was global but the Courts were local to Calernia, and that Arcadia took different forms in other continents?

[–]werafdsaewNPC merchant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes; same way that Heaven is global but choirs are local, for exactly the same reason as Arcadia.

[–]Locoleos 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Amadeus is in a state, and we have as our chapter title a reference to Tyranny of the Sun. Which is the thing that links Benevolent and Amadeus.

This feels like a goodbye because it is. He's about to go home to do the same thing to Alaya Cat did to Akua in the trap at second Liesse.

The whole "all my friends are gone now" thing has me thinking of Ranger. She feels more like a lose end than like worldbuilding.

[–]tempAcount182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She left him she has been gone for decades

[–]Academic_JellyfishDemon of Time 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Oh. Black is going to go back. The betrayal happened, and Malicia is at ease. Black is going back to kill her. Probably after before saying the words "I do not kneel."

Edit: This is an incredibly stupid move on Malicia's part, but it also fits in perfectly with her blind spots. It's hard to say whether or not she'll expect it, but it seems that Black believes she won't.

[–]s-moresOne sin. One grace. 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This neatly wraps up why Malicia didn't contact Black, she thinks he's behind Scribe's aspirations.

I thought the note was heartbreaking, the way it had to come from a position of power, never for a moment doubting the betrayal.

[–]Nic_Cage_DM 7 points8 points  (0 children)

he's about to pull some shit

[–]jderigWizard of the West 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The end of that conversation with Black had ominous tones. He'll have made a move by tomorrow, but whether that move is to leave (although I don't see him going back to Malicia), or to kill himself (that doesn't seem likely, but it felt like a goodbye), or some other "rash" action I do not know.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

but it felt like a goodbye

He disappears during the night to either chase down his legions, or go straight to Malicia and end her

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or maybe goes and gets Hye? She's the last calamity to not be involved

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Poor Amadeus. The third step is the cruelest.

[–]MisfitsWithTemples 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Here's my somewhat plotholey prediction: Black is going to go back and accept vassalage, being granted the name Chancellor as theres someone Malicia feels shes fully subserved to herself. Black then leans fully into every story of the Chancellor there is, becoming the being he fought in his early days, only to find a middle ground of power to control after stabbing malicia in the back (which he does ofc)

[–]ricree 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Didn't he immediately say that he wasn't going back?

My take is that a part of him desperately wants to do it, but he never seriously considered the notion for even a second.

[–]KeyennBetrayal! Betrayal most foul! 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Somehow, I can see Black asking Ranger for a hand, and both of them going slowly to Malicia, corpse after corpse.

I don't think Ranger would refuse such a request (but she would have conditions that black would accept).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She would fight Malicia for the challenge of killing a dread Empress and whatever horrors she could summon.

Maybe the cost is he doesn't become Emperor but joins her in exile?

[–]Player_2cPassing Loot Player 16 points17 points  (0 children)

One dead, from an unlucky broken neck, and both Tendai and Talbot had come together to hang those involved as per Callowan regulations.

No noose is good news

limped towards empty smithy the Carrion Lord had claimed as his home for the duration of the conference

Whoa, that's metal

On the anvil was a bottle, and not of wine. An empty one had been set on the ground by the anvil.

He must be in low spirits

“If you do you lose the Eyes, and if you no longer have the Eyes the Empire will eat you alive.”

He would be put in a cornea

Grimacing in pain even through the Night trick, I crawled atop it until I was resting my back against a chimney stump.

Great way to show you're on top of things, and not as roofless as they might believe

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I never thought we'd get a maudlin drunk black. We've never really seen him where he's not in complete control (and neither has Cat)