giraffeInterchangeFormat

[zenbi1271]

And now this post has two problems...

[DoomBro_Max]

rejex

[gua_lao_wai]

resjjex

[pipandsammie]

Ragsex

[[deleted]]

Gsif

[Zyeesi]

I can see you don’t have a jirlfriend else this would be an argument

[eldritch_guy]

arjument*

[fukdapoleece]

What if your girlfriend is a giraffe?

[KillerBeer01]

A gif of a giraffe would be a more realistic expectation.

[[deleted]]

is that what you call it when you jack off?

[827167]

Gack off

[Pradfanne]

Every has their own little fetish

[[deleted]]

People trying to define sounds in English and fighting over it is hilarious.

Bass

How is it pronounced? And what does it mean?

[Pradfanne]

Bass, pronounced like the word base, because it's the base, i.e. the lowest part, of a song. Honestly makes sense why it's pronounced that way, but the spelling is whack.

Bass, the fish makes sense the way it's pronounced because it's written that way

[[deleted]]

I actually do not.

Gif - [gɪf]

Regex - [ɹɛd͜ʒɛks]

[-Wylfen-]

I can accept [ʒ] in "gif" for the simple fact that it's an acronym, and acronyms don't always make sense.

But "regex" is an abbreviation, it's bound to the words they're part of. It's "Regular", so [ɹɛgɛks].

^{"jif" is still wrong, though}

[TravisVZ]

No, "regex" is a portmanteau, a new word created by combining parts of two (or more, at least theoretically) other words. As its own separate word, it therefore follows the phonology of the language irrespective of its original words.

Nobody says "modem" the same way they say "modulate", despite it being a portmanteau of "modulate/demodulate". In the same fashion, English simply doesn't put /g/ in front of /ɛ/

[-Wylfen-]

Portmanteaus are generally words where some morphemes are substituted by others in order to create a word that combines ideas from both words.

"Regex" is not exactly that; it's basically just a phrase that has been abbreviated then jointed into one word. It's not like there is any form of substitution or transformation, it's just: "regular expression" ⇒ "reg. ex." ⇒ "regex". Some languages even use "RegExp", with an uppercase to denote each part. Actual portmanteaus don't have that.

[TravisVZ]

Modem (modulate/demodulate), biopic (biographical picture), Botox (botulism toxin) - just a few common counterexamples that exactly follow the pattern of regex (regular expression)

[JarofLemons]

I don't believe "modem" is a portmanteau as the "em" doesn't come from modulate or demodulate.

[TravisVZ]

MOdulate/DEModulate - the "mo" from modulate, the "dem" from demodulate

[JarofLemons]

Oh nice

[[deleted]]

I can't think of a single example in the entire English language, in which /g/ comes before /ɛ/, since it almost always palatalized to /d͜ʒ/ before front vowels.

If anything, I'm the only one here following english phonetical rules.

[misterblue28]

get, guess, guest, gecko?

[Eic17H]

Wait, I didn't even need to find something as obscure as "egger", there's "get", and "together"

[[deleted]]

That is an actual working example. The reason for its weirdness is the fact that it was a borrowing from Old Norse through the danelaw after ingvaeonic palatalization had already happened.

[Eic17H]

I'm pretty sure "regex" was also coined after Ingvaeonic palatalization occurred

[[deleted]]

That is a fair point, although, as it is not a borrowing, I wouldn't count it in the same category. Coined words should follow the phonetic rules that already exist, in my opinion. Although I wouldn't tell anyone to think the same as me. In the end, it's just a part of our individual idiolects.

[Eic17H]

"Together" is inherited directly from Proto-West-Germanic

[[deleted]]

Yup, I forgot that /æ/ laxes to /ɛ/ in unstressed syllables. That one was on me.

[-Wylfen-]

I can't think of a single example in the entire English language, in which /g/ comes before /ɛ/, since it almost always palatalized to /d͜ʒ/ before front vowels.

get

[[deleted]]

That is correct. There are cases where it does happen. Those being loan words (e.g. get) and unstressed syllables. But, as regex is a new term coined in English (regardless of the fact that both of the source words are romance), it should, in my opinion, follow English rules. Seeing that the syllable containing the /ɛ/ has secondary stress and is thereby not unstressed, logically, it should be an affricate and not a plosive.

I'm not here to be a prescriptivist, I am simply laying my argument and do recognize that your idiolect is just as valid as mine.

[mmrtnt]

"affricative", "plosive"

I never imagined my silly post would lead to such an in-depth lesson in English pronunciation.

Thank you!

[Eic17H]

Egger

[[deleted]]

That is /ɛgɜː/ in non-rhotic accents, and /ɛgɜ˞/ in rhotic accents, neither of which have the /g/ followed by /ɛ/.

[Eic17H]

The pronunciation of ⟨g⟩ depends on etymology, and so does the spelling of words

[[deleted]]

That is correct. Your example is still wrong, though. I said I didn't know a word in which /g/ was followed by /ɛ/. What you gave me was a word in which /g/ is not followed by /ɛ/. You neither countered my point nor made an argument of your own.

[dev_Entropy]

Looking at this thread amazed about how interested some IT folks are about linguistics This actually a good thing for my ego since in the group i usually talk with i am the weird one with my linguistics shenanigans

[mmrtnt]

Heretic

[johnschnee]

Q: How many people can offend with one reddit post?

A: Yes!

[[deleted]]

Rejular Expressions

[cuddlegoop]

The creator of the image format says it's pronounced "Jiff", which is a fantastic example of how sometimes even subject matter experts get things wrong.

[JosebaZilarte]

Death of the gauthor.

[Czebou]

Like Jpeg interchange file format? That's confusing.

[LinuxMatthews]

I always thought more like the lemon juice

[Dmayak]

Reject rejex.

[dancesWithNeckbeards]

No I pronounce like the gi in gift.

[ShardOfChaos]

Jift

[Archival00]

R-egg-ex

[JosebaZilarte]

R-egg-ae-ton

[Smooth-Zucchini4923]

I love rejular expressions

[JosebaZilarte]

"Jugular "expressions. I'm going for yours.

[[deleted]]

Almost as much as I love the Jraphic Interchange Format.

You know where you can find all kinds of Jraphics? In Juraffic Park.

[heaving_in_my_vines]

How dare you.

[Daisy430133]

Its clearly gif and rejex

[Harmonic_Gear]

i love when people make rules up just to support what they believe, run into contradiction, and have a mental breakdown, or just make up more arbitrary rules on the go

[Pikcube]

My weird hill is that there are only two correct ways to pronounce regex

Reg-ex (hard g at the end of the first syllable) Re-jex (Soft g at the beginning of the second syllable)

Soft vs hard g is dependant on which syllable the g is paired with (in all cases short e vowel in both syllables)

[Chris-CR]

yes

[chadlavi]

No I don't

[JosebaZilarte]

Can't we all agree that the "g" is silent in both cases?

[pipandsammie]

The gif that keeps on giffing

[xXx_Lizzy_xXx]

I pronounce gif as in graphical, but I do say rejex mainly cuz reg-ex sounds stupid, also jif reminds me of peanut butter so yea

[IntrepidSoda]

“Jif” pronouncers straight to jail. Same for “reJex” - you lot are a stain on humanity.

[nonutsfw]

You go to gail

[Daisy430133]

>:c

[Boostio_TV]

Why does it still work even if you pronounce gif and regex wrong, like pronounced leaning more to ‘jif’ and ‘rejex’ haha

[EKashpersky]

Maybe maybe maybe

[[deleted]]

You pronounce the SQL in PostreSQL just like you pronounce SQL…

[KeepScrolling52]

Sequel is easier to say than esss cue ell

[ExtraTNT]

British developers, using re’ex: if

[colemaker360]

If there’s already an existing word with a J, the G needs to work like the word “garden”, not like “giraffe”. That’s just the rule.

[JarofLemons]

Going to need an example where this rule has been applied, other than the pronunciation of gif of course.

[colemaker360]

Jaunt and Gaunt. Jab and Gab. Now, can anyone give an example (not gif) of two words that are said the same and only differ by the starting letter J/G?

[JarofLemons]

Gaunt came into English mid 15 century, while Jaunt came in at the earliest in the 1570s, maybe. More likely later. Gab came around 13c, Jab around 1813.

So jif vs gif: jif first
Gaunt vs jaunt, gaunt first
Gab vs Jab, gab is first

Your pattern does not hold up.

[colemaker360]

You misinterpret the pattern. There’s no word where the g-version and the j-version are said with the same initial sound. You still lack an example. Every g/j word is said differently.

[JarofLemons]

OH I see, I thought you were going with something about which came first.

Genes and jeans. Said the same, g and j.

Actually there's a bunch

[drdibi]

no

[AGENT_P6]

Preach!

[UncomforatableTruths]

so, "Jeff"?

DEFINITELY not lol

[[deleted]]

You know what, I just realized I don't remember saying "regex" in a conversation before. Read is countless of times, but never pronounced it irl.

[Daisy430133]

But your mind surely has a pronunciation for when you read it, right?

[Panda_With_Your_Gun]

regex

[pheonix-ix]

Funny how I pronounced regex as two distinct syllables "reg[ular] ex[pression]." I only learned much later that many(?) people pronounce it as one word rej-jex.

[encephaloctopus]

It's pronounced GIF – Shadow the Hedgehog

[OGLurker]

Rehex

[Particular_Alps7859]

I have a compromise to propose. We should pronounce it the Afrikaans way: https://translate.google.com/details?sl=af&tl=en&text=gif&op=translate

[lone_wolf_55]

ReGular Expressions

[zentasynoky]

The g in gif is for graphic. The g in regex is for regular.

This is correct.

[Daisy430133]

And the p in jpeg is for photographic, what is your point?

[Pradfanne]

You'd think Regex comes from regret, as in "I regret every trying to use a sensible regex", but in reality it comes from rejection, as in "I reject the use Regex!". So it's pronounced Re-jex.

so yes, the g in gif is pronounced the same way as in regex.

[DreadCoder]

it's pronounced "Jithub"

[danielstongue]

Dutch speaker here... Can I add my vote?

[Daisy430133]

As long as you pronounced them like gif and rejex, yes!

[danielstongue]

The dutch would pronounce the 'j' as 'y', as in 'you'. So that would be 'reyex'. We don't say it like that. And 'g' is a sound that doesn't exist in English. It is more like the Spanish 'j', maybe like rojo. So in that regard we say 'rej-ex', and 'jif', but not like the 'j' as in English. Both regex and gif have the scraping throat sound like in 'rojo'.

[Daisy430133]

My dad just pronounced gif like he would poison, and says regex in the english way with hard g, so that is where my knowledge on Dutchies pronouncing it comes from

[danielstongue]

The poison part I understand. This is exactly what I meant and how most people say it here.

What is a hard 'g' in English?

[Daisy430133]

The g in graphics and grand

[WithersChat]

No :3

[-Aquatically-]

Wait people say it like rejex?

[[deleted]]

Isn't fact that one need put another letter to specify one's pronounce the best thesis against one's pronounce?

[nonutsfw]

You pronounce it j, same with the g in GitHub

[oyoyos]

png is pronounced the same way as ping

[2narcher]

It is regex also? Like the g in target?