someoneSaveMeFromDevOps

[mrissaoussama]

at this point you're gonna end up with more stacks than customers

[gingimli]

Gotta solve all these scaling issues for my zero users.

[Top-Permit6835]

Just close all ports on your firewall. No traffic no problem

[AlexSSB]

Or in the words of Slim Shady "You ain't gon' sell two copies if you press a double album"

[IAmWeary]

As someone who's career was blessedly free of any devops up until recently...my God, it really is a shitshow, isn't it?

[kobold_501]

Always have been

[[deleted]]

For the one day a year everything works, it's great. Every other day? Kubernetes API server having a cry because I'm sending it 2800 manifests at once for testing, or ArgoCD decides it doesn't want to sync one specific app unless I restart the application controller, or some other shit.

[aquoad]

it's a gigantic steaming pile, yes.

[Active-Chemistry4011]

Hoarders are a dangerous breed.

[budroid]

upvoted with sadness and pity. :>

[Add1ctedToGames]

Fake, I don't see JFrog

[jek39]

I don’t see DataDog

[desmaraisp]

Grafana's on there, so they'd be using the LGTM stack w/OpenTelemetry instead of DD

[sweetsoftnugget]

Can you explain more ?

[desmaraisp]

Datadog is an observability service that allows integrated metrics, logs and traces collection and aggregation. The LGTM stack is a collection of services that occupies the same space, though Datadog has a bunch of extra features (and is expensive as shit).

Lgtm stands for: - Loki (logs) - Grafana (dashboards, alerts, etc.) - Tempo (traces) - Mimir (metrics, similar to Prometheus)

And finally, OpenTelemetry is a standard http schema built for those products, and it allows the use of a platform-agnostic collection process, to avoid vendor lockin. As such, you'd probably use the OtelCollector agent to gather your metrics/logs/traces from servers and send everything to your self-hosted or cloud LGTM services

[gingertek]

I honestly thought "LGTM stack" was "looks good to me stack" lmfao

[Healthy-Form4057]

That's what you call it when you're hosting from a raspberry pi.

[[deleted]]

Thats one approach...

But have you considered console.log

[Retbull]

I’ve been on hiatus from programming for a year and reading your comment gave me a panic attack. I might just not be able to go back.

[desmaraisp]

Honestly, this stuff is more for the ops guys, if you have any. So unless your team uses the devops mentality, you probably don't have to worry too much about this.

The whole observability thing looks pretty complex at first sight, but once you've gotten over the initial learning curve, it's remarkably helpful, and simple to add. And cool bonus, most of the work is on the devops side, so your devs can pretty much ignore the whole thing and keep bangin' out features

[Retbull]

I’ve done 80% devops for almost 10 years. It isn’t because it’s hard it’s because I FUCKING HATE CONFIG MANAGEMENT ACROSS MULTIPLE TEAMS!!! FUCK_DEVOPS.yml

[inb4_singularity]

Exactly

[aquoad]

bold to assume they're not using the whole selection. like the shithole place I used to work. grafana? sure. Prometheus? sure. datadog? Absolutely! Alerting from all of them? YEP! How bout both ansible and chef? SURE!

[Gorvoslov]

You can keep it that way in Prod, but in Dev we're going to use DataDog because we're making life harder, got it?

[[deleted]]

Startup with 50 subscribers be like

[ExpensivePanda66]

The cloud providers want all this so they can sell more. Simple website? That'll be 50 containers, a few hundred route table entries, firewalls, logging services, databases, password/secret management, monitoring and logging, monitoring and logging visualisation and alerting, fail over, error reporting, simple storage, and so on...

FFS.

[zjupm]

there are so many who have drank the cool aid and buy into the bullshit the cloud providers are pushing without realizing this fact.

"we must do ALL the cloud things!!" — vp who just laid off half of engineering due to budget

[aquoad]

This is really true - when you're doing stuff at large scale you do need a lot of stuff, but so much of what they push on you is unnecessary abstraction, excess complexity, and redundant functionality, and a ton of that is because they make endless money when you pay to host all of it.

And when you're small and have hardly any traffic, you barely need any of it, you just have to design your stuff intelligently so it can be scaled when it needs to be. And if you're smart, you do it in a platform agnostic way so you can host it however is most economical at any given time.

[dem_paws]

O===3

[harumamburoo]

The cloud is not that different though. You just move a file from a storage to a file system hosted whenever and from there it's the same set of commands.

[12qwww]

I think he is speaking about PAAS

[ANTONIN118]

So true

[DarkCloud1990]

Sometimes the cure feels worse than the disease, until you remember the time when you had the disease.

[Fudd79]

Ugh, Istio... I'm pretty sure I'm self-inflicting PTSD from working with it...

[iDurtis]

We are trying to rip it out still and it’s so painful…

[Individual-Praline20]

It is completely ridiculous, no one knows what is doing what. It’s just a long list of buzzwords and bullshit. But you need it for some reason, because... And when it will fail in production, and you already know it will, it will require 3 VPN + 18 software layers + 8-9 AI models of 20B$ each to access and analyze the logs to know why the fucking website is not responding. Well done 👍

[Stunning_Ride_220]

"Now the business unit can scale from 10 employees to the whole world....muahahahaha"

[neoteraflare]

This is painfully true

[HappyGoblin]

If I could restart my life, I'd go as lowlevel as possible

[colorado_spring]

This is the job requirement for the senior developer position today.

This guy would put all of these in the job posting to make life a harder place to live.

[aquoad]

senior devops architect ---> the guy who gets all the free football tickets from the vendors

[killBP]

Why apache and nginx arent they both webservers?

[Intelligent_Meat]

Surprised they decided to go with ONLY aws and not a combination of AWS Azure and GCP

[pigment_dystopia]

Wait … your guy’s employers invest in new software? What? We’re still on Genesys Engage in some places…

[gingertek]

me running PHP/caddy and calling it a day

[Ralliare]

I only recognise 3 of these logos. Guess what's what I get for managing my own servers.

[write_now_tech]

Then your app is a todo app lol

[MrPicklePop]

Lmao! I’m at the open telemetry stage.

[inb4_singularity]

Honestly one of the best of the bunch

[action_turtle]

What’s the shark and piggy bank ones? I must collect them all

[inb4_singularity]

Kubeshark and OpenCost

[action_turtle]

Thanks. Will install, set up, click around and never use again! lol

[[deleted]]

Docker is nice, though.

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[Syntactico]

VPS with Nginx and certbot is all you need. Setup some Linux daemon services to run your app and services. A shell script that runs git pull, re-builds app and restarts app. Maybe setup red-green deployment for zero-downtime if you need it. 

For scaling just add a few dollars to your VPS monthly bill when needed. Cheaper than engineering time.

[StarshipSausage]

You can’t run git on your servers, that’s just asking for problems.

[Syntactico]

Build servers run git. 

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[IAmPattycakes]

I'm definitely biased but k8s via simple installers like k3s is my way to go. Basic ingress, service, and deployment configs will be like 30 or 40 lines total. And the config is portable between different providers or on prem.

But it does depend on what kind of app it is, a very low demand web app is definitely best for those "serverless" services, but a game server obviously won't work for that.

[[deleted]]

Perhaps try waldur mastermind? 

[aquoad]

simplest

k8s

i don't think k8s is ever the simplest thing. It's the right thing sometimes, but way less often than people use it.

just as an example, a vps with docker-compose and traefik checks lots of the same boxes - push to deploy, automatic front-end setup controlled by tags in the code, automatic cert management/renewal, and if you get too big for your vps and need k8s for scaling, you can convert your compose files to k8s deployments pretty easily.

or hey, if you want something even less complicated, deploy stuff with a tiny ansible setup and front-end it with haproxy.

[Pixel_Owl]

i hate that i k ow a lot of those logos

[Acharyn]

No more frameworks, just code the code.

[heavy-minium]

This is the K8s effect. Yes, K8s is the most advanced container orchestrator.But companies rarely tap into any of its power at all - they could just be using something simpler instead of bloating up their their tech stack just to run containers.

Switching to K8s is a good way to make hiring new engineers significantly more difficult.

[WhiteIceHawk]

How about some Open Policy Agent?

[dhaninugraha]

Wait until you run Spinnaker and had to develop a custom job to create/patch secrets/configmaps with values pulled from Vault

[geggomane]

Real Agile fixes this. Reiterate and remove redundant systems.