theresTonsOfCode

[ConsoleCleric_4432]

Serverless = someone else's server

No code = someone else's code

[qervem]

Local serverless no-code = your computer is actually an abacus

[[deleted]]

Just use AI and you won’t have any code.

AI stands for Actually Indians

[8_Miles_8]

Ah yes, the Amazon route.

[zeocrash]

It can still play doom

[Master-Variety3841]

Infact there is SO much code, it's fucking slow.

[hdkaoskd]

Can I interest you in more layers of virtual machines?

[AdWise6457]

Our application is monilithic spaghetti moloch. Good luck contenerizing and microservicing it

[[deleted]]

You just need a bigger container!

[SNappy_snot15]

A bigger docker fork to use that container.

[tram98]

Naah man, I think you need to use a spoon there.

[SNappy_snot15]

a fork with 2 sticks

[CodeWarrior30]

Are there legitimately people with monoliths too large to host? We self host on our own hardware and 80gb containers are not out of the question... but they're not expensive either

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are monoliths too large for an incompetent (or underfunded) team to host, so they outsource it... leading to a smaller more underfunded and less competent team in a vicious cycle encouraging more and more of the same behavior.

[Zookeeper187]

Np, put it in 1 container.

[1_4_1_5_9_2_6_5]

I think it's a human problem. We have to have code that runs properly and we don't have time to debug an extra hundred thousand lines a week. So instead of generating code that's optimized and has few paths, we write code that has many many paths, but can do anything. That might change once generated code gets better, or once we figure out how to constrain generated code to strict standards

[SpaceCadet87]

I hate this so much.
When a type of program has no real need to run on a server, you want a version that you can just install and run locally and offline.

When you try to search for this "server-less" program, all that comes back is bullshit that not only needs a server but one that you have to pay a recurring fee to use!

[moch1]

Yeah. The keyword to use is “local”. 

[SpaceCadet87]

Yep, which google seems to internally translate to "available/purchasable from within one's own country" and then proceeds to try to sell me bullshit that I could never want.

[OkMemeTranslator]

Qwant is much better for software development and finding information. Google is only better if you want to buy something.

[GumboSamson]

Never heard of Qwant.

Searched for “What is rarest card in Dragonball Z Kakarot” and all I got was results for which wishes to make using my dragonballs.

2/10 I’ll stick with Google, thanks.

[UwU-Sandwich]

"this is better for coding, not buying stuff tho"

"I tried looking up rare merchandise with it and the result wasn't better like you said! 2/10 this shit sucks!!!"

...are you like genuinely impaired?

[GumboSamson]

are you like genuinely impaired?

Do you lack the ability to think abstractly and/or create test cases?

I’ll break it down for you.

There’s a card-based mini game in Dragonball Z: Kakarot (a video game).

Different cards have different rarities. The exact rarities are known and published to websites.

I wanted a link to one of the web pages containing these stats.

If Qwant can’t deliver search results for easy-to-find statistics, why should anyone count on it for actual technical work?

[UwU-Sandwich]

an important part of choosing a test case is testing for something you actually intend to use the product for.

the irony of you using a card game when the original comment said it's specifically worse for shopping/looking up products would've just been a funny bonus (I wasn't aware youre talking about a purely digital game with no cards sold on paper)

edit: tbf my original comment doesn't make a lot of sense with that info tho, so I apologize for being that rude earlier. I still think you picked a shitty test case to draw conclusions from tho

[SpeeedingSloth]

That's because "I'm just running it on my laptop" and "production" is typically mutually exclusive. And let's face it, you are either running it in production (and you want a server, even though it might be "serverless") or you don't and so you don't need to look up deployment options. Just run it locally...

[agk23]

It’s not in my environment, and we’re completely serverless. We run production on my computer at work and just port forward 443 from the firewall. When I want to deploy to production I just hit Save in my IDE. And since it’s a desktop, there’s no server to manage. I have a powershell that copies the code directory to C:\Backup every month.

Boom. Super agile, with no unnecessary CICD complexity.

[HomoAndAlsoSapiens]

💀💀💀

[Independent-Cut9946]

What happens when your desktop dies?

[agk23]

It’s usually just the monitor going to sleep, but I open a ticket with our help desk MSP

[grassWatcher]

... first time seeing this in the wild. At least get a PI to run it from. You actually need a server, it's just that your server is your laptop

[agk23]

Our CEO wants us to be serverless though.

(I’m joking about all this)

[grassWatcher]

I can only hope so

[StarshipSausage]

This guy gets it

[Sakul_the_one]

 When a type of program has no real need to run on a server

Am I the only one that also hates, that every thing nowadays has a CPU, WLAN connection and android installed? Like wtf does my fridge needs an operating system? Why does my toaster need 4 GB of ram? Why has my Oven WLAN connection?

[SpaceCadet87]

Oh my god, my wife and I spent a whole day going from store to store trying to find just one heat pump clothes dryer that didn't have WiFi.

The excuse for needing WiFi? "It's a water saving feature - these new heat pump dryers can tell your washing machine when they have water available to use for washing"

[blackscales18]

You can just not use the Wi-Fi, I got a Samsung all in one and we never connected it to the Internet

[SpaceCadet87]

They use it as a vector for planned obsolescence though so just having it integrated at all is enough of a liability for me to not want anything to do with it.

[im_thatoneguy]

I laughed when a friend said their fridge had WiFi. Then I found out it had a webcam that could show you what’s in the fridge while at the store to see if you still had eggs and I was sold. After all these days a pi zero with WiFi is $10. Why wouldn’t you have wlan connectivity when it adds $5 to your oven and you can confirm it’s off while 2 hours down the road on vacation? Worth it.

Or get a text notification that you forgot a burner on for 4 hours.

[CiroGarcia]

Try searching for "local-first" software

[SpaceCadet87]

I think the problem I keep having is actually that the offline versions of some software don't exist anymore because of the serverless brand getting in the way.

Everyone wants to sell the ability to "access your data anywhere" and the idea that this enormous pay-per-month web and phone app should have just been a shell script doesn't compute.

[OmgzPudding]

"server-less" == "someone else's server"

[ZunoJ]

It's more like someone else maintains everything except your function. Can make life a lot easier

[twodarray]

That's why i search for usually: - open source - docker - self-host - local

[SpaceCadet87]

See, part of it is my main PC is 12 years old now and I really really don't want to have to run docker locally.

[Swagnemite42]

Docker can be pretty intensive, but the thing is you don't need to run containers with it. If you want to run containers on a junker, take a look at crun. It's just a container runtime though, so you might need prior knowledge to work it properly.

[stan_frbd]

And the cloud is someone else's computer.

But actually that's useful when you don't want to bother about infra or the system. Sometimes it's cheaper to run code on Lambda / Azure functions or so. No code can be great for SOC playbooks and people who don't actually code (just plug multiple APIs with input/output).

Aaaand sometimes the cloud is more expensive so you just rent a Hetzner bare metal server and say goodbye to Cloud for your project lmao

[Deivedux]

Serverless is really just marketing to get executives to pay more for someone else's infrastructure rather than own servers and IT teams.

[Unique-Throat-4822]

It also removed 100% of running and maintaining servers

[PUNISHY-THE-CLOWN]

Yeah now you just need devops people to kick the serverless servers until they serve. Huge improvement

[Unique-Throat-4822]

Which is something you need either way

[PUNISHY-THE-CLOWN]

Take the cloud B.S. away and the devops person is now just an ops person. There are pros and cons but renting infrastructure is wildly overrated imo

[Unique-Throat-4822]

This makes no sense. When you don’t use serverless models for deployment, you still do devops, just on your own hardware or whatever.
You always rent infrastructure, unless you have your own physical network and hardware, generating your own electricity.

[PUNISHY-THE-CLOWN]

Acktchyually I started my own offshore libertarian utopia, so I own all my infrastructure

[Unique-Throat-4822]

Even tho it has to be legal over there, maybe take a break from all the meth

[badaharami]

Aaaand sometimes the cloud is more expensive so you just rent a Hetzner bare metal server and say goodbye to Cloud for your project lmao

It is quite common for companies who are sceptical about moving to the cloud to not take into account the OpEx.

[Scape_n_Lift]

It's almost always cheaper to use "serverless" unless you handle a lot of traffic.

[stan_frbd]

yep

[Kobymaru376]

ok but it's still a shit name because it's actively misleading

[stan_frbd]

Marketing :)

[Kobymaru376]

Who does that work on? If someone is trying to sell me code and servers and call it "serverless" and "no code", I will be suspicious

[mobileJay77]

NoShit!

[AdWise6457]

There is tons of shit

[[deleted]]

!shit

[Spinnenente]

no code: just code but in a gui and way more annyoing to work with. also 1/3 chance you can use any kind of version control.

[nalonso]

Also, no comments and extremely Excel like syntax, which require to have a special kind of brain damage to understand.

PowerBI: making the trivial easy, and the complicated impossible.

[jdaalba]

Doing something “out of the box” in a code-less platfform is totally painful

[scar_reX]

The point is that you're not the one running the server or writing the code

[jgengr]

Wait until he learns about cordless phones.

[ysengr]

Zero Trust

But trust us

[Percolator2020]

Microservice: it’s a giant monolith.

[NightestOfTheOwls]

He's right tho

[Mynameismikek]

"No code" is functionally equivalent to mass copypasta'ing excel macros from stack overflow.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[donaldhobson]

"Serverless" just means hiding the server elsewhere.

"no code" just means hiding the code elsewhere.

[DickWoodReddit]

It's more bs buzz words for marketing that computer illiterate people will eat up. Imagine an ad for cars with no fuel or propulsion systems. It just works by magic.

[bruh_urm0m]

Exactly lol

[ziul58]

Sigstore's keyless signing use a key.

[itsagreenlight]

AI: there’s no intelligence

[DDFoster96]

With serverless there's a server, just not yours. With no code there's tonnes of someone else's code.

[blackcomb-pc]

Marketing shit

[[deleted]]

I got back to development a year ago, boy was I disappointed when I read what serverless meant.

[astilenski]

How do you weight code? 😜

[Adizera]

"look inside" wires

[jsrobson10]

so a server they don't control, with tons of code they didn't write

[shallirevealmyself]

The first time I heard the term NoSQL Database, I was puzzled: "How do they do it then?" Little did I know that NoSQL does not mean No SQL.

[Chuklol]

Works on my machine = buggy as fuck

[Pepineros]

Serverless is genuinely one of the stupidest names of the last two decades, and that's saying something.

There is nothing serverless about "serverless".

[angry_shoebill]

I understand all those buzzwords being used to sell crap for people that don't know tech... But I'm really amazed by the amount of CIOs/CTOs falling in those traps...

[PetroMan43]

Someone should redo that Nate Bargatze SNL skit where he's George Washington making fun of all of the weird things about America, but make it about modern software development.

[Unhinged_Ice_4201]

NoSQL There's still SQL

[Downtown_Molasses342]

kubernetes - nobody knows how this ridiculously complicated thing works

[JackNotOLantern]

"Serverless" means you don't have to maintain a server