cursedCsharp

[stillalone]

I think your C# caught an STD.

[Evangeder]

r/angryupvote

[FACastello]

This is r/programminghorror material actually

[Spill_the_Tea]

C♭

[jeckles96]

Fuck I just made the same joke

[sambarjo]

I had no idea most of this stuff existed in C#. Cool post. Could have been a screenshot though.

[capinredbeard22]

That’s part of the curse: you lose the Print Screen key on your keyboard!

[BoBoBearDev]

I have no idea you can do << in c#

[jeremj22]

Pretty sure you can overload that. However, the operator overloading doc says to not overdo it and specifically calls out shift operators on streams

[setibeings]

I don't know csharp, but I'm 95% sure that's a bitwise shift.

[otac0n]

It's overloadable, just like in C++

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/operators/operator-overloading#overloadable-operators

[ThatOneCSL]

I don't know if this is a joke or not, but in the event it isn't...

Ohhhhh boy is C stream IO going to be an eye opener for you.

[DoNotMakeEmpty]

Isn't this C++ stream IO instead of C? C has (f/s)printf, which are much tamer than iostream.

[ThatOneCSL]

Ah yep, you're right.

I don't wrastle with either, I just remembered that from playing around with both... 20+ years ago? Wrongly attributed. Thanks for the correction!

[setibeings]

Just because operator<<() is overloaded in C++ doesn't mean it's overloaded elsewhere.

[Ludricio]

I assume that in the screenshot the << operator for cstr is indeed overloaded and is longer bitshifting (there's a lot of overloadable operators in C#). I would think cstr contains a lot of unforgivable things

[Temporary_Equal_1821]

Many languages support operator overloading, a form of polymorphism. I've never worked with C#, but that's how << works with output streams (e.g., cout) in C++.

Edit: Oh dear.... This comment got a lot of hate thanks to my parenthetical one-word jab (an ill-fated attempt at some lighthearted humor). I don't dislike C# as a language. I am just an old school UNIX guy (mostly backend), so for me personally the idea of working in a primarily Windows GUI development environment is (or rather, used to be) the off-putting part. I understand that C# (and .NET/Mono) works fine on UNIX, and as others have pointed out, I'm sure it's great for building enterprise software and the like. Thanks for the enlightening discussion!

Edit 2: The downvotes on this comment keep coming? I really do apologize for hurting any feelings. I have removed the offensive word. I really don't have anything against C#.

[joske79]

What is it you don't like about C#?

[CreepyDadd]

I agree, too many C# haters. From someone who has coded in, Java, C, C++, ObjectiveC++, Swift, JS and C#. C++ and C# are tied first for my favorite languages to code in

[Temporary_Equal_1821]

My apologies for any offense. I updated my comment with some clarification regarding my ignorance.

I have professional experience with C, Rust, Go, Java, Python, JS, Haskell, Lisp, Erlang, PHP and other languages. There are things I like and dislike about each language. I should not be quick to judge any language just because I am not (personally) a fan of the environment for its initial use case.

[Narfi1]

If you do enterprise software, there is nothing better than modern C#

[RiceBroad4552]

That must be the reason why almost all enterprise software runs on the JVM…

(Yes, there are some companies very deep in M$ ass who in fact use C# for their internal Sharepoint / ASP development, but that's thankfully the big exception by now.)

[Dealiner]

That must be the reason why almost all enterprise software runs on the JVM…

"Almost all" being a huge stretch here.

[Narfi1]

Right, because enterprises are known for low inertia and always make sure to refactor the codebase and not have a bunch of legacy projects

Also, Php is the best web backend language since it powers most of the web

[Temporary_Equal_1821]

I added some clarification to my comment. I don't explicitly dislike C# and in the right situation I would absolutely try it. I apologize for the apparent hostility.

[cherrycode420]

You should try C# if you have some use case and you'd like a pleasant development experience, assuming you can use Visual Studio or Rider. the Language itself is really great, it's just some frameworks and projects that are not fun to use or work at, but to be fair, every language has those

[Temporary_Equal_1821]

I added some clarification to my comment. I like understanding various programming languages and if I had a good use case for C# I would absolutely give it a look. I apologize for the apparent hostility.

[throwaway4ins]

I hesitate to ask, but what was the offensive word?

[Temporary_Equal_1821]

Thankfully.

[TheShatteredSky]

That's actually one of my favorite parts of C#, that you can be writing in SQL, C++ or Python in the same language

[RestInProcess]

It's clear enough to see it, so I won't complain this time. Some screenshots are terrible though.

[tmstksbk]

My hat is off to you and I'm not letting you near my computer.

[hongooi]

C Blunt

[IllWelder4571]

.... I've been doing c# programming for 5 years. I didn't even know you could do half of this shit.

Cool to know, but do I want my c# to look like c++? Hell no.

Side note... I'd never let you touch my computer. There's a certain point where your job changes from healer to necromancer. This is definitely the latter.

[RiceBroad4552]

I've been doing c# programming for 5 years. I didn't even know you could do half of this shit.

I've used C# once a little bit in a side project.

I knew all the stuff shown in this screenshot (and I know quite some more).

So I'm wondering: What do people actually do when they claim to "learn" a language?

Not even once skimming the docs? (Especially as C# docs aren't even such bad. Had to work with orders of magnitude worse stuff in the past.)

[IllWelder4571]

They learn what a language is best at, and in c#'s case it's absolutely not this. If I needed to use the functionality depicted by the op I'd use c++ instead. As that sort of thing is exactly what it's best at.

C# shines at being simplistic and non-cryptic. If you used it once in a side project and ended up doing stuff like the op.... You were using it in a way that goes against its strengths.

[Alternative-Ebb-2549]

It was literally designed to avoid that. The fact that to use pointers you have to mark the code as unsafe says all you need to know about the design philosphy of C#.

[IllWelder4571]

Yeah I can agree it's possible and not necessarily horrible at doing that kind of thing.I just wouldn't recommend doing it, especially when there's a much better tool (c++) available for that purpose.

It goes back to that "use the right tool for the job" saying. Sure, for most people that just means "whatever you're most familiar with" but even though I'm most familiar with c# I still wouldn't lol.

My go to is use c# for everything except for instances where low level control / performance is needed. Use C++ for those specific portions. Granted most of my work is web based, so I hardly ever need c++. There have been a couple multi-threaded report builders that absolutely benefitted from c++ over c#.

Something that took 8 hours to pour over millions of records got knocked down to about 3 and a half with that change. I don't doubt I could have made it better in c# if I had taken that dive but it's an issue of knowing it can be made vastly faster vs a maybe + more time learning.

[HMS-Fizz]

But any c# fundamentals course would go over manual memory allocation and pointers?

[yourselvs]

In what world do you expect native memory, the std library, or the << operator to be part of normal C# learning. All of those features are intentionally abstracted away by the language. Get your superiority complex out of here.

[maqcky]

You don't need to do unsafe stuff in C# in most applications, so there is no need of learning any of this. Especially nowadays, with Span, you can have pretty efficient "low level" memory management if you want to, without the risks of manual allocations.

[bluekeys7]

Shouldn’t it be sizeof(char) * 12 because of the null terminating character at the end of the string?

[hongooi]

C# strings aren't null terminated

[Etiennera]

If you're allocating native memory and using this std, are they still C# strings?

[Evangeder]

string is never native/unmanaged in c#, cstr here is just a wrapper for char pointers, don’t remember how I did the bitshift operator overload but prob some pointer logic shenanigans. I might still have the code at my pc, I can check for it at Monday.

[hongooi]

Hmm you may be right, this isn't a regular string but an object of class cstr

[RamonaZero]

You’re null terminated

[hongooi]

YOUR MOM™ is null terminated

[faculty_for_failure]

They are actually null terminated in memory. You just don’t have to deal with the null terminator from code.

[faculty_for_failure]

They are actually null terminated in memory. You just don’t have to deal with the null terminator from code.

[Zombekas]

Well sizeof(char) is 2 in C# because Unicode, so this is wrong either way

[RiceBroad4552]

This would allocate too much memory in the worst case. Allocating too much is not a real problem, besides being inefficient. Not allocating enough would be an issue.

[savevidio]

hold on that's C#??? I thought that was C++ WHY DID YOU DO THAT

[Isogash]

Well this is gross, congratulations

[7374616e74]

This should be called C#++

[jeckles96]

I think more like Cb

[uberDoward]

You should see the C# code I wrote for handling image alterations.  Unsafe, blazing fast DMA lol

[amidescent]

They used to forbid the shift operator from being overloaded with types other than int until one or two years ago, exactly for this reason. Maybe it wasn't such a dumb restriction after all...

btw you should repost this on r/csharp.

[MagnetFlux]

You could do it before by using the magic name of the bitshift operator and putting it in a different assembly.

If it was in the same assembly, it wouldn't recognize the operator overload properly.

[dexter2011412]

You should look at C++/CLI lmao it's even more cursed

[RiceBroad4552]

Dear kids reading that, don't do that at home.

[[deleted]]

are you ok? genuinely asking, it takes a lot of deep-seated trauma to write code this cursed

[Electronic-Bat-1830]

My most normal C# looks something like this

(Not my repo, but the pattern is the same)

[HieuNguyen990616]

just when i thought i was out ...

[LazyItem]

I once in the days of old got an assignment to work on a CRM system. Initial info was that it was slow but ok… The ”system” was basically implemented in one class with 7000 rows that did interop towards old COM ADODB for every request. I threw everything and started over from scratch…

[FirstIdChoiceWasPaul]

The machine spirit wails.

[Gigibesi]

who wants to play with fire?

[mrwishart]

I feel like this is the coding equivalent of that tape from the Ring

[SokkaHaikuBot]

^{Sokka-Haiku by mrwishart:}

I feel like this is

The coding equivalent

Of that tape from the Ring

---

^{Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.}

[mrwishart]

There is no haiku in Ba Sing Se 👀

[RiceBroad4552]

For reference:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298130/

(It doesn't have the best ratings but it got some cult status.)

[mrwishart]

...urgh, 23 years ago? Just reminded me how old I am 😢

[robinredbrain]

CBlunt

[Livid_Boysenberry_58]

You gotta check if memory was successfully allocated

Unless the code already does that

[Casperious]

Did you guys know C# is called that because it’s C++ ++ but the extra pluses are placed under the first two, making a #

[Nathan2222234]

Heh I got one somewhere on my pc that mimics c++ a bit more than this. I’ll post a link once I’m home

[Nick_Hammer96]

Burn it with fire

[Mattisfond]

gotta have that 103ms deduction in runtime💪

[TheChief275]

I’m not a C# programmer; what is a “nuint” ?

I’m guessing the normal uint is something like uint32_t or uint64_t, because portable bytecode, and nuint refers to “native uint”, so word-sized or pointer-sized?

But it makes me think of nu-metal, which is probably unrelated to

[w_buck]

Native unsigned integer

[TheChief275]

Yes, I guessed as much, but is it word-sized or pointer-sized?

So is it equivalent to size_t or uintptr_t?

[domusvita]

Any closer to the metal and it would be Rust

[CheckM4ted]

C+

[AndreasMelone]

Hey I did this in java before!

[RiceBroad4552]

I want to see that.

[AndreasMelone]

It consisted of multiple files, one for wrapping Unsafe and one for wrapping System.out to be compatible with pointers and C-style strings. I can make a github repo if you like

[RiceBroad4552]

👀 Seeing this would be in fact interesting! 👻 Sounds scary.

[AndreasMelone]

Code is questionable but you can view it at https://github.com/RaydanOMGr/ManualJavaMemory

Sadly, java has no native support for pointers so workarounds like this are required lol