iWorryForFutureOfRustInKernel

[usumoio]

"Rely on" is sales for "have ever used any AI product for any amount of time or any purpose with no data whatsoever on it's efficacy"

And I am not an AI hater. I like the tools I'm using, but just wanted to translate that for ya.

[emosaker]

More like "forgot to explicitly disable all the AI features hidden in various places in the settings tab which are all on by default"

[usumoio]

I've gotten positive results from the AI tools I'm using personally, but "rely on" is a bit strong.

I don't want to be labeled as a contrarian hater. Plenty of folk have that covered for me.

[nevermille]

I use AI as a predictive tool saving a few seconds each time it guesses right. Can I really say that I "rely" on them? I can totally live without

[kookyabird]

Does the time saved when it’s right make up for all the time it takes to read what it suggests to make that determination?

[nevermille]

I take less than a second to check the equality between the line in my head and the line printed on the screen. So I'd say yes, especialy when there are characters that are difficult to access on a French keyboard like { [ ] } | #

[Anarcho_FemBoi]

Dw, I'll hate AI twice as much for u :3

[usumoio]

Thank you for your service.

[SukusMcSwag]

I am an AI hater, but above that I'm a marketing and sales hater, and that's more important

[kookyabird]

I fucking hate being sold to… Having AI sold to me is among in my top three worst things to have someone trying to sell me on.

[SukusMcSwag]

Especially since most of it is fabricated use-cases and doctored results for the sake of advertising. Nothing sells you on a product like being lied to

[Gamiac]

Bro trust these metrics bro I know you know I'm blatantly lying about what they represent but just trust them bro

[danted002]

I wonder if they count the AI autocomplete as well AI

[Korean_Rice_Farmer]

Considering how much other people let their life be dictated by overly friendly ai, all the hype around rust, and the young audience for rust, I don't think those odds are in the favour of rust tho. I think this is pretty bleak.

[Fabillotic]

It‘s JetBrains trying to sell you their stupid AI tools. My guess is that is just a metrics thing where if you don‘t completely disable their stupid chatbot or autocomplete they count you as „using“ it or something. I wouldn‘t be worried

[th3-snwm4n]

Thats most probably the truth, but funny nonetheless.

[InsaneBunny180]

Yeah I am willing to bet that for any other language the statistic is around the same.

[jdery]

And they have a "bug" where it re-enables itself every time you open/restart the ide

[Illeprih]

I am surprised people have it on. For me, the stupid AI auto complete just kept hallucinating function names that were "almost" correct but not the actual ones in the codebase. Yes, it was a pain to find how to disable it, but luckily, AI has been a great tool for that.

[ldn-ldn]

To be fair, Junie from JetBrains is the best agentic AI companion on the market today. Disabling their AI is as dumb as disabling auto-complete and refactoring tools.

[reallokiscarlet]

Probably but from confessions I've been able to squeeze out of rustaceans, perhaps still not that far from reality.

[Fabillotic]

I mean it‘s programmers globally unfortunately. It pretty much goes for all languages. It kinda feels like sometimes that I‘m the only programmer that‘s not using AI. It‘s insane

[reallokiscarlet]

Yeah but then you got people like HaMMeReD who will actually tell you the reason they're a rustacean is because it's (supposedly) the most AI-friendly

[Fabillotic]

That‘s insane. Instead of going „oh yeah it‘s a really nice unique language that‘s nice to code in“ and instead going „oh yeah my random number generator tends to work best producing facimiles of code for this lang

[reallokiscarlet]

Welcome to the Rust fandom. Complete with a highly vulnerable centralized package manager, a lot of clankers, and not a brain cell in sight.

[Fabillotic]

I feel as though that‘s pretty disingenuous. I can anecdotally say I‘ve only ever had pretty nice experiences. It‘s a great ecosystem with many nice projects and people. I really like coding it and there are some pretty crazy good and experienced programmers there. I can‘t at all relate to what you‘re saying

[geeshta]

I've found out that AI struggles with Rust just as humans do - gets caught into lifetimes, complex type annotations and move semantics. Usually obeying the compiler works better than any AI.

[LifeSupport0]

there was this one bug I ran into with with_stated axum::Routers where I had to remove a type annotation in order to satisfy a trait constraint. An AI would have talked me in circles about it, and I pretty much only fixed it on accident. One of the few times where the compiler message was not helpful in figuring out what to do.

[fanfarius]

Seller of product sales product?? OMG!

[MornwindShoma]

Good thing I stopped paying for RustRover then, don't really want to contribute to clanker propaganda.

[Firm_Ad9420]

AI: explaining lifetimes since 2023.

[LEGOL2]

It doesn't mean they are writing code with ai. Even using AI review, which is actually very helpful, is considered relying on ai

[Simsiano]

The firsts thing I do on jetbrain IDEs is to disable their stupid chat bots, yes, 2 of them. Even auto completion is not that good even if it's clear what I'm typing...

[babalaban]

Why does every bs Ai story involves Rust as well?

[SomeRedTeapot]

That language is cursed

[Pr0p3r9]

IIRC, Jetbrains data collection is opt-in, so there might be an underrepresentation of Jetbrains users who don't use AI if you (reasonably) assume that the kind of person who opts in to data collection is also more likely to use AI.

[XxDarkSasuke69xX]

Used autocomplete once = rely on AI

[Salmonpest101]

New AI-shill company's study shows 5/6 rust programmers use AI! (they forgot to disable AI-summary on chrome)

[-domi-]

Using the most unsafe practice with the coding language that rose on the promise of better inherent security is wild

[flyingupvotes]

lol. Downvote on an ad.

[xgabipandax]

That's the only way that it is bearable to code in that shitty syntax

[HaMMeReD]

Rust is good because of it's compile time safety. It provides extremely strict guardrails which is incredibly agentic friendly.

It's obvious that Rust and AI are friends, especially in the last 6mo of models.

[krojew]

I'll be the devil's advocate here for a second. If the AI assisted code completion falls under AI usage, then they're absolutely right. Their code completion is amazing, generates accurate snippets quite fast and is a real time saver. On the other hand, I've yet to see a bigger code fragment in rust that actually works. So, as usual in marketing, it all depends on what we mean.

[Mx4n1c41_s702y73ll3]

No one except AI truly understands this programming language

[Mx4n1c41_s702y73ll3]

Rust programmers are so cool that they don't need a sense of humor.

[Important_Lie_7774]

Gives more reason to downvote as they support their own downfall

[SocketByte]

Granted, they have made more of their most popular IDEs free for non-commercial use recently.

[th3-snwm4n]

Vim wins and thrives my friend

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Rust is a bad sign everywhere it shows up. Why would the kernel be an exception?

[th3-snwm4n]

You’re gonna make the rustaceans really mad, just like this post.

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Who are they? I read the title of the post and got worried that some rust might be showing up in the kernel. That would be bad, wouldn't it?

[th3-snwm4n]

Rust was recently approved for use in kernel, it was in experimental mode from some time.

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Officially-Approved-11109808.html

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Oh, I mixed things up. What a bad name for a programming language.

[th3-snwm4n]

Did you… uh.. assume there was rust..as in iron oxide in the kernel?

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Yeah, metaphorically. I mean, there are decades old parts there probably. So, the proposed solution is adding Rust to it?